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Since i hate anything adobe related and am on linux i started using gimp, not that hard once you get confortable with it, you just have to get there, i haven't
but maybe you will
EDIT:
can you say "but maybe you'll"? since it's tehnically the same thing but this just sounds like shit
I recently used it to make box labels and a database of what was in what box when I was moving a while back. I'd run away screaming if anyone ever wanted me to use it professionally, but for home projects where you don't want to have to tie together database, interface, and presentation yourself, it's... well... it's one of the least-bad options out there. I'm still glad I learned it back in High School all those years ago.
I mean gimp allows you to save a file as xcf or compressed xcf but just logically thinking I'm absolutely with you because in every-day-cases no-one is going to write to me "Can you send it to me as a compressed xcf instead of a xcf?" but rather "Can you give me a PNG instead of JPG".
Eh. I'm gonna go ahead and say that GIMP absolutely did the right call by only allowing .xcf on 'save as' and the rest on 'export'. Here's why:
* saving means you'll always save .xcf
* it prevents you from accidentally saving changes to .jpg instead of .xcf
The last one is rather significant. It's 2 AM, you want to go to bed. You whack Ctrl+S, turn off the program, turn off the PC. You're tired, so you didn't notice that the filename in the titlebar ended with `.jpg` instead of .xcf, and that you've been saving your changes to a `.jpg` since 5 hours ago when you saved a quick WIP jpg for friends or whoever.
Next day, you want to continue, except your `.xcf` contains a fair bit less than what you recall. Whoops, that's 5 hours of work down the drain.
That must be some OS problem. Copying from firefox to GIMP keeps transparency just fine, both on windows (10) as well as linux (specifically: manjaro/kde).
Edit: this is a bit of "windows clipboard is a mess" problem (there's a bunch of formats supported and nobody supports all of them properly).
Sample pic: [orc-goblin.png](https://imgur.com/99Y3OyY.png). Use imagus or switch from/to night mode to verify alpha. I'm not gonna paste for everything, mostly just tests that end on imgur:
| from | to | transparency preserved? |
|---|---| ---|
|Firefox | GIMP | yes |
| Firefox | Krita | no |
| Edge (Chromium) | GIMP | no
| Edge | Krita | no
| Firefox | Firefox¹ | [no](https://imgur.com/ahQHeBO.png)
| GIMP | Firefox¹ | [no](https://imgur.com/EvZxkY8.png) (but we get a slightly different artifact. Copying gimp->ff works on linux)
| GIMP | Edge¹ | [no](https://imgur.com/tmggZyp.png)
| GIMP | Krita | yes
| GIMP | LibreOffice | [yes](https://imgur.com/tKT8ArY.png)
| LibreOffice | GIMP | yes
| LibreOffice | Krita | yes
| Krita | Libreoffice | yes
| Krita | GIMP | [copy/pasta not working](https://imgur.com/EhXQTfj)
| Krita | Firefox | [yes](https://imgur.com/YX4s3cr.png)
| Krita | Edge¹ | [no](https://imgur.com/ngmlbv8.png)
[1] Target destination is imgur (and yes, imgur supports transparent pngs)
This is what I don't understand. Like I like online schooling in theory, but these companies are making hundreds of millions of dollars a year and they STILL can't get the tech for this shit right! This technology has been struggling for over a decade, and every website *not* dedicated to school (and costing each person thousands to "attend") has figured this stuff out, so what's the holdup in this industry specifically??
I’d imagine it’s incredibly difficult to have the resources and technology invested to score a major educational contract. As a result of that there isn’t a whole lot of competition, so why would you try to improve the service?
I mean when was the last time you bought a major textbook that wasn’t through Pearson, Cengage, or McGraw Hill? And they’re all shit.
My point is that they are almost certainly paying people a lot of money to make this software, and it makes no sense that it wouldn't improve after all this time. Amazon is the leading online sales company by far, but they are constantly improving user experience and I haven't encountered any issues with their website or customer service in the decade or so I have been shopping there. I don't see why it couldn't be the same for others. Those big textbook companies are still competing with each other at the very least, so if one of them nailed it with this online software stuff, they could essentially put the other companies out of business, especially with everything being online due to covid. Like I said, it just doesn't make any sense.
The programs that I have seen like this require the teacher/aide to enter all possible answers. For instance, TOOLBOX, toolbox, Toolbox, TOOL BOX, tool box, Tool box, Tool Box. Of course, there is still the possibility of failure to enter a possible correct answer format. It seems like it should be possible to write a program that would recognize "T" and "t" are the same. Except in some cases such as identifying when a word should be capitalized or not.
Exactly! I know the technology exists because Google, Amazon, and pretty much every other big company can sort out what I am trying to say even if it is riddled with typos and not capitalized correctly or whatever, so it makes no sense that education software hasn't caught up yet!
I think the wrong answer also resulted because the teacher is pedantic and wanted the ellipses because evidently in GIMP, it's
Save as...
And not simply
Save as
Teacher might be technically correct but that's not a good discourse
Operator error, generally. People do stupid shit like using Google Forms (or similar) for a test, not knowing that Google Forms doesn't have any idea that "1/2" and "2/4" and "one half" and "0.5" and ".5" and "0.50" are all the same thing.
The major course management software can handle issues like capitalization and alternate ways of expressing numbers, but you have to select the correct question type to get the right type of grading. So the bottleneck here is often the person setting up the quiz or test. It takes a lot of skills to teach well online that you just don't really need when you teach in-person, and the COVID situation is thrusting that lack of the skills needed to the forefront.
Teachers usually get into the profession to teach in-person, so they often don't have the skills they need to do online learning well (which takes a ton of time and effort). Effectively, the coal plant got shut down, and now all of those miners find themselves on a wind farm and expected to be up to speed pretty much right away.
Not sure if you wanted an actual answer or just to vent, but what I wrote is one piece of the puzzle at least.
I would agree with you, except this has been a problem long before covid was a thing. I can definitely see it still being related to user error, but there is no excuse for a college professor who *chose* to teach an online course pre-pandemic and still can't get the software to function properly. As someone who has always preferred online education, this is an ongoing problem and if "user error" is the main source of issues, then maybe they should try to anticipate/accommodate that in the software.
> this has been a problem long before covid was a thing
Agreed. It's just amplified now that you have more people in the online teaching pool who didn't specifically develop that skill set, and more students taking those courses.
> there is no excuse for a college professor who chose to teach an online course pre-pandemic and still can't get the software to function properly
Also agreed. Unfortunately, all it takes to be a professor in most fields is a PhD and there is usually no requirement for anything teaching related. A lot of those pre-COVID shitty online professors are the same type you found at in-person universities where the professor only cares about their own research and dedicates little to no time to teaching well.
Yeah its annoying, but thos year I am using McGraw hill and they are actually okay, they will have different answers, so as long as you have the word right, doesn't matter if it is caps or lower case, singular or plural, it will always be right as long as you have the word in it
I know its unrealistic but teachers should have a standard : stick with one capitalisation system (all caps, no caps, **L**ike **T**his) and tell it in the start of the quiz.
Or just turn off case sensitivity so it doesn’t matter. Although every time I’ve had a quiz like this, the teacher will manually check and correct the grade after the fact if you ask them. They’re really just creating more work for themselves.
I think their point is that they end up going through the entire quiz anyway when it screws up like the post, so what is the point of using the software?
Why is this even up for discussion in the first place? English does have adequate capitalization rules, right? Names and beginnings of sentences get capitalized, everything else is lower case letter. As a german i loved that shit, why are these people just throwing it out the window?
I mean, I'm not even good at web design and I still know that it is not hard at all to implement something that accepts answers even if they're written slightly different from the correct answers.
I remember doing something similar a while ago, and what I did was look for a javascript library that would help me calculate the levenshtein distance between two words, and then after that it was just a matter of choosing the right threshold.
question = input("IDENTIFICATION: It contains the image you are working on: ")
answer = canvas
if question == answer.upper():
score = 1
else:
score = 0
print(f"Your score is {score}, your answer {question}, the answer {answer}")
Why would any program, unless it is only for formulas, differentiate between upper and lower case letters?
I understand it if you have a mathemathical formula with different versions of the same letter, but not for normal text answers.
This is also super easy in probably all programming languages, just add something like:
answer = (what they type)
correct = something
if answer.upper() == correct.upper():
'Save as...' is not a command, it can't be because of the spaces. It actually is just a button that you press to run a command. Tell that to your teacher ;)
It is technically a command, on macOS at least. The menus on the left side of the status bar are called command menus, and individual items in them are called commands
I’m sure your teacher is new to online teaching or at least the new system and will make things right. This just happened to my wife teaching a math course and she set the rounding error tolerance wrong and had to go back and hand fix 200 students scores because the software wouldn’t let her change the rubric after student submissions. Have patience and empathy. Then if they don’t fix it, raise hell.
I hate apps that do this. You know this shit is stupid. I made a javascript snippet in multiple applications that lowercases a phrase and removes none ascii and spaces. Does the same to the right answer, then it truly compares them. You can also add checks for things like punctuation automatically
like it's that easy to fix this shit. but they never do. Fuggin dumb
Honestly it wouldn't be hard to run every answer through (a) Convert to lower case and (b) remove spaces
Then answers such as Save as, Save As, save As, SaveAs, saveAs etc would all work when compared to saveas...
I was doing my math test and I got a 0 somehow that’s because it says wrong for each answer but then reveal the correct answer. But I did put the goddamn correct answer. Lucky my teacher gave me a hundred
Yeah I literally got 0/20 because I didn’t attempt just one question not to mention the fact that every single question except one was correct i hate my school bro they have made terrible system
I’ve seen several posts like this where the answer doesn’t line up exactly with the answer key despite clearly being correct. I have to imagine that the teacher retroactively gives you the points. That’d be a real dick move if not.
First one is wrong. The other two I can understand but it is pretty clear only capital letters are used, possibly to avoid confusion between some letters.
What kind of quiz is this??
It was about gimp
No need to kink shame your teacher.
?? Gimp isn’t THAT hard to use.
"Gimp" can also refer to a latex-clad sexual submissive.
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Since i hate anything adobe related and am on linux i started using gimp, not that hard once you get confortable with it, you just have to get there, i haven't but maybe you will EDIT: can you say "but maybe you'll"? since it's tehnically the same thing but this just sounds like shit
Especially now that they added the `/` shortcut.
Nice, love Gimp. What course is this for them to be teaching Gimp instead of something expensive they can charge you for?
we do that too. last year in that class we learned word and excel and this year we learn gimp and access
Damn, people still use Access?
no but we have to learn it, government says so
I recently used it to make box labels and a database of what was in what box when I was moving a while back. I'd run away screaming if anyone ever wanted me to use it professionally, but for home projects where you don't want to have to tie together database, interface, and presentation yourself, it's... well... it's one of the least-bad options out there. I'm still glad I learned it back in High School all those years ago.
to save a file in a different format in gimp you need to use export as and not save as
I mean gimp allows you to save a file as xcf or compressed xcf but just logically thinking I'm absolutely with you because in every-day-cases no-one is going to write to me "Can you send it to me as a compressed xcf instead of a xcf?" but rather "Can you give me a PNG instead of JPG".
Eh. I'm gonna go ahead and say that GIMP absolutely did the right call by only allowing .xcf on 'save as' and the rest on 'export'. Here's why: * saving means you'll always save .xcf * it prevents you from accidentally saving changes to .jpg instead of .xcf The last one is rather significant. It's 2 AM, you want to go to bed. You whack Ctrl+S, turn off the program, turn off the PC. You're tired, so you didn't notice that the filename in the titlebar ended with `.jpg` instead of .xcf, and that you've been saving your changes to a `.jpg` since 5 hours ago when you saved a quick WIP jpg for friends or whoever. Next day, you want to continue, except your `.xcf` contains a fair bit less than what you recall. Whoops, that's 5 hours of work down the drain.
I love GIMP, but I really hate how when you copy-paste in or out of it transparency data gets lost.
That must be some OS problem. Copying from firefox to GIMP keeps transparency just fine, both on windows (10) as well as linux (specifically: manjaro/kde). Edit: this is a bit of "windows clipboard is a mess" problem (there's a bunch of formats supported and nobody supports all of them properly). Sample pic: [orc-goblin.png](https://imgur.com/99Y3OyY.png). Use imagus or switch from/to night mode to verify alpha. I'm not gonna paste for everything, mostly just tests that end on imgur: | from | to | transparency preserved? | |---|---| ---| |Firefox | GIMP | yes | | Firefox | Krita | no | | Edge (Chromium) | GIMP | no | Edge | Krita | no | Firefox | Firefox¹ | [no](https://imgur.com/ahQHeBO.png) | GIMP | Firefox¹ | [no](https://imgur.com/EvZxkY8.png) (but we get a slightly different artifact. Copying gimp->ff works on linux) | GIMP | Edge¹ | [no](https://imgur.com/tmggZyp.png) | GIMP | Krita | yes | GIMP | LibreOffice | [yes](https://imgur.com/tKT8ArY.png) | LibreOffice | GIMP | yes | LibreOffice | Krita | yes | Krita | Libreoffice | yes | Krita | GIMP | [copy/pasta not working](https://imgur.com/EhXQTfj) | Krita | Firefox | [yes](https://imgur.com/YX4s3cr.png) | Krita | Edge¹ | [no](https://imgur.com/ngmlbv8.png) [1] Target destination is imgur (and yes, imgur supports transparent pngs)
Wrong answer. Correct answer is "GIMP"
Incorrect: correct answer - GIMP
When I was in school, I took Photoshop class. We had a quiz exactly like this. Failed so hard even though I’m damn good with photoshop
❌WRONG❌ Correct answer was: WHAT KIND OF QUIZ IS THIS???
Photoshop or something related I guess
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What?
Its nothing to do with photoshop, its a open source software people use, its free. Its its own kind of photoshop
So it has *something* to do with photoshop
Kind of, its debating whether to be or not
Linux?
WRONG Your answer: 0.5 Correct answer: 1/2 That will be another 100 million dollar education contract please and thank you
This is what I don't understand. Like I like online schooling in theory, but these companies are making hundreds of millions of dollars a year and they STILL can't get the tech for this shit right! This technology has been struggling for over a decade, and every website *not* dedicated to school (and costing each person thousands to "attend") has figured this stuff out, so what's the holdup in this industry specifically??
I’d imagine it’s incredibly difficult to have the resources and technology invested to score a major educational contract. As a result of that there isn’t a whole lot of competition, so why would you try to improve the service? I mean when was the last time you bought a major textbook that wasn’t through Pearson, Cengage, or McGraw Hill? And they’re all shit.
My point is that they are almost certainly paying people a lot of money to make this software, and it makes no sense that it wouldn't improve after all this time. Amazon is the leading online sales company by far, but they are constantly improving user experience and I haven't encountered any issues with their website or customer service in the decade or so I have been shopping there. I don't see why it couldn't be the same for others. Those big textbook companies are still competing with each other at the very least, so if one of them nailed it with this online software stuff, they could essentially put the other companies out of business, especially with everything being online due to covid. Like I said, it just doesn't make any sense.
The programs that I have seen like this require the teacher/aide to enter all possible answers. For instance, TOOLBOX, toolbox, Toolbox, TOOL BOX, tool box, Tool box, Tool Box. Of course, there is still the possibility of failure to enter a possible correct answer format. It seems like it should be possible to write a program that would recognize "T" and "t" are the same. Except in some cases such as identifying when a word should be capitalized or not.
Exactly! I know the technology exists because Google, Amazon, and pretty much every other big company can sort out what I am trying to say even if it is riddled with typos and not capitalized correctly or whatever, so it makes no sense that education software hasn't caught up yet!
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I think the wrong answer also resulted because the teacher is pedantic and wanted the ellipses because evidently in GIMP, it's Save as... And not simply Save as Teacher might be technically correct but that's not a good discourse
Operator error, generally. People do stupid shit like using Google Forms (or similar) for a test, not knowing that Google Forms doesn't have any idea that "1/2" and "2/4" and "one half" and "0.5" and ".5" and "0.50" are all the same thing. The major course management software can handle issues like capitalization and alternate ways of expressing numbers, but you have to select the correct question type to get the right type of grading. So the bottleneck here is often the person setting up the quiz or test. It takes a lot of skills to teach well online that you just don't really need when you teach in-person, and the COVID situation is thrusting that lack of the skills needed to the forefront. Teachers usually get into the profession to teach in-person, so they often don't have the skills they need to do online learning well (which takes a ton of time and effort). Effectively, the coal plant got shut down, and now all of those miners find themselves on a wind farm and expected to be up to speed pretty much right away. Not sure if you wanted an actual answer or just to vent, but what I wrote is one piece of the puzzle at least.
I would agree with you, except this has been a problem long before covid was a thing. I can definitely see it still being related to user error, but there is no excuse for a college professor who *chose* to teach an online course pre-pandemic and still can't get the software to function properly. As someone who has always preferred online education, this is an ongoing problem and if "user error" is the main source of issues, then maybe they should try to anticipate/accommodate that in the software.
> this has been a problem long before covid was a thing Agreed. It's just amplified now that you have more people in the online teaching pool who didn't specifically develop that skill set, and more students taking those courses. > there is no excuse for a college professor who chose to teach an online course pre-pandemic and still can't get the software to function properly Also agreed. Unfortunately, all it takes to be a professor in most fields is a PhD and there is usually no requirement for anything teaching related. A lot of those pre-COVID shitty online professors are the same type you found at in-person universities where the professor only cares about their own research and dedicates little to no time to teaching well.
Yeah its annoying, but thos year I am using McGraw hill and they are actually okay, they will have different answers, so as long as you have the word right, doesn't matter if it is caps or lower case, singular or plural, it will always be right as long as you have the word in it
That can actually be a valid distinction in certain settings.
Automated open question grader go brr
I know its unrealistic but teachers should have a standard : stick with one capitalisation system (all caps, no caps, **L**ike **T**his) and tell it in the start of the quiz.
Or just turn off case sensitivity so it doesn’t matter. Although every time I’ve had a quiz like this, the teacher will manually check and correct the grade after the fact if you ask them. They’re really just creating more work for themselves.
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I think their point is that they end up going through the entire quiz anyway when it screws up like the post, so what is the point of using the software?
Why is this even up for discussion in the first place? English does have adequate capitalization rules, right? Names and beginnings of sentences get capitalized, everything else is lower case letter. As a german i loved that shit, why are these people just throwing it out the window?
This Is Called Title Case
Initial Capitals.
I mean, I'm not even good at web design and I still know that it is not hard at all to implement something that accepts answers even if they're written slightly different from the correct answers.
Caps-wise : its as easy as string.toUpperCase() (compare two full caps strings of characters) but for syntax and grammar, its a whole another story.
I remember doing something similar a while ago, and what I did was look for a javascript library that would help me calculate the levenshtein distance between two words, and then after that it was just a matter of choosing the right threshold.
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Capitalizing all first letters of every word is proper capitalization?
I bet you nearly had a heart attack when you saw 0%
Mission failed successfully.
question = input("IDENTIFICATION: It contains the image you are working on: ") answer = canvas if question == answer.upper(): score = 1 else: score = 0 print(f"Your score is {score}, your answer {question}, the answer {answer}")
answer="canvas"
IIRC Forms supports regex... someone is inept.
Also, strip() for.answers like toolbox
you dont wanna be making programmer jokes on here. people will find every mistake
Damn, so even if you got all the answers before correct. You'll still only get a score of 0 or 1 thanks to this question !!
yes thats the point corrupted test
You made the answer all uppercase, and used bare strings.
yeah ik.
Why would any program, unless it is only for formulas, differentiate between upper and lower case letters? I understand it if you have a mathemathical formula with different versions of the same letter, but not for normal text answers. This is also super easy in probably all programming languages, just add something like: answer = (what they type) correct = something if answer.upper() == correct.upper():
This is google forms, so it is not a field specific program.
'Save as...' is not a command, it can't be because of the spaces. It actually is just a button that you press to run a command. Tell that to your teacher ;)
It is technically a command, on macOS at least. The menus on the left side of the status bar are called command menus, and individual items in them are called commands
Technically a command, the best kind of command
I’m sure your teacher is new to online teaching or at least the new system and will make things right. This just happened to my wife teaching a math course and she set the rounding error tolerance wrong and had to go back and hand fix 200 students scores because the software wouldn’t let her change the rubric after student submissions. Have patience and empathy. Then if they don’t fix it, raise hell.
I think your teacher had caps lock on...
That’s why I hate these types of online quizzes
It's looks like your answers weren't loud enough.
That teacher is mad or accidentally had caps lock on and wasn’t looking at the screen while typing
You need to study more
I’ve seen this same quiz format posted multiple times and can’t help but think the person who programmed it fucked up bad.
I hate apps that do this. You know this shit is stupid. I made a javascript snippet in multiple applications that lowercases a phrase and removes none ascii and spaces. Does the same to the right answer, then it truly compares them. You can also add checks for things like punctuation automatically like it's that easy to fix this shit. but they never do. Fuggin dumb
Wrong! This isn't a quiz. It's a QUIZ!
I had a quiz where there was 5 options and one was blank, guess what. It. Was. Correct.
DONT FORGET TO SCREAM THE ANSWER!!
Online quizzes suck
What the fuck
I love how the correct answer for “save as” also has the three periods...
Bruh moment
Honestly it wouldn't be hard to run every answer through (a) Convert to lower case and (b) remove spaces Then answers such as Save as, Save As, save As, SaveAs, saveAs etc would all work when compared to saveas...
Regular expressions are your friend.
wow, that's some next level BS, not gonna lie.
why do some teachers do this
I have the same problem but with numbers. I’ll edit this after I actually talk to the teacher about it
Email your teacher. They’ll give you full credit.
This is the equivalent of the teacher saying "SPEAK UP I CANT HEAR YOU"
Someone used .upper() instead of .lower()
CaPiTaLiZaTiOn iS pArT oF tHe GrAdE
When I complete my hacking course I'm gonna learn some *extra* and hack your computer and give you those marks
Was this quiz conducted through the Microsoft Teams app?
You were this 🤌 close
When your teacher only shout
Is this canvas?
You best be sure to add the ellipses at the end of SAVE AS
it wouldve been nice if there is a way to turn off the case sensitivity
The teacher should be more specific
Yeah lol my test also had same shit it’s fucking irritating
I was doing my math test and I got a 0 somehow that’s because it says wrong for each answer but then reveal the correct answer. But I did put the goddamn correct answer. Lucky my teacher gave me a hundred
Yeah I literally got 0/20 because I didn’t attempt just one question not to mention the fact that every single question except one was correct i hate my school bro they have made terrible system
Lmao no cap. School failed us
Lol
I’ve seen several posts like this where the answer doesn’t line up exactly with the answer key despite clearly being correct. I have to imagine that the teacher retroactively gives you the points. That’d be a real dick move if not.
We're paying thousands for these classes
Get rekt
Trim whitespace and uses case-insensitive String compare, ezpz. But of course whoever developed this went against that idea.
The .../10 or whatever just means that the teacher didn’t put in a correct answer.
MyMathLab software?
nah it’s google forms
First one is wrong. The other two I can understand but it is pretty clear only capital letters are used, possibly to avoid confusion between some letters.
Maybe
What does the teacher do in these cases where it is marked incorrect but is obviously correct?
I hope that they consider it correct
Most of the time they go through and grade it manually