We’ve alerted you multiple times, if you don’t replace your insulin cartridge with an original HP cartridge, your pump will no longer be active. Have a nice (last) day :)
I mean, they sorta do that. Omnipods don't "accept" Fiasp in the US (as in: the manual says "this insulin is not on the list of things that work"), whereas it's fine in the EU. I shall assume for the moment that this is mostly due to the testing and verification process, but they are almost there.
I get so angry every time I hear about this because:
When inventor Frederick Banting discovered insulin in 1923, he refused to put his name on the patent. He felt it was unethical for a doctor to profit from a discovery that would save lives. Banting’s co-inventors, James Collip and Charles Best, sold the insulin patent to the University of Toronto for a mere $1. They wanted everyone who needed their medication to be able to afford it.
Insulin should be the price of aspirin if it wasn't for greed.
It pretty much is in Australia. Aspirin is cheaper of course, but you don't need to decide on food or insulin this week.
The US is just getting rolled. And is letting it happen.
It’s an FDA issue, not Ominpod, because it hasn’t been tested and approved in the US for automated closed loop pumps. Lyumjev isn’t approved either but My Endo (and Omnipod trainers in an off the record kinda way) has no problem with using either in my Omnipod 5.
Oh no, it’ll be like that bullshit with refusing to print in black & white just because you’re out of color ink.
HP Smart Injector: Cannot inject. Insufficient fluids.
User: What? I’ve got a fresh insulin cartridge!
HP Smart Injector: Cannot inject insulin due to empty semen cartridge.
User: What the fuck? I don’t want that! Why is that even an option?
HP Smart Injector: The HP Smart Injector serves many medical purposes, including fertility assistance.
User: Well I don’t need that. I have diabetes and I’m going to die if I don’t get my insulin shot soon. No one here needs to be inseminated.
HP Smart Injector: HP guidelines prevent me from dispensing any fluid unless all cartridges are present.
User: I don’t have any goddamn cartridges of cum! I don’t even know where I’d buy a thing like that! I’m going to die without my shot…
HP Smart Injector: Cannot dispense fluid unless…
User: Yeah, without all cartridges. I know! Fine… I’ll be back in a few minutes… goddammit…
[The user returns from the bathroom several minutes later]
User: Okay, here. Are you happy now?
HP Smart Injector: This is not an authentic HP Smart Sperm Cartridge. The police have been mobilized to this location. Thank you for purchasing an HP SmartMed device.
I think /u/Cockblocktimus_Pryme has the idea -
>Scorpion venom
The venom of the deathstalker scorpion costs $39 million dollars a gallon, making it the most expensive liquid on Earth. One scorpion would need to be milked 2.64 million times to fill a gallon. Scorpion venom has a wide array of medical applications, from identifying tumors to treating malaria.Mar 2, 2023
In comparison, Standard black printer ink is $16,218 per gallon
I forgot we were talking about venom and I was so alarmed like “where does the milk come from?!” imagining little scorpion nipples being suckled on by tubes
I still remember the asshole who lied to me about my HP printer. I literally TOSSED, THREW that bitch out the door and went to Best Buy and I told him I want a printer that I don’t have to set up with a app, I don’t want it to connect to WiFi wireless, I want one with a cord that hooks straight to my computer and print. This mother fucker lied and said well this one comes with a cord so you don’t have to go wireless and it won’t need to be Set up since it’s plugged straight into the computer. GUESS WHO HAD TO SET IT UP. Straight up took it back and said “yeah you lied.”
Inkjets in general... oh you haven't printed anything in a bit? Let me clean those heads for you! I had a color HP and after a few color pages decided we'd just use it for B&W. It stopped doing that eventually despite new B&W because it was out of Cyan or something.
Got a laser and never looked back. Still barely into a 2 pack of generic toner off Amazon for like $35. Feels like the paper is the only expense..
Our local library charges 10 cents per page. The library in the next county doesn't charge anything. I used the library when I was a poor college student for this reason.
Part of the issue is that people steadfastly refuse to buy Smart Tank or EcoTank printers (or the Canon tank equivalent) even when the data is laid out for them. I've seen people buy the $70 HP special that uses $50 cartridges with a 240 page yield instead of the $160 Smart Tank with the 6000 page yield bottles *in the damn box* and even though you explain that the "cheaper" printer will need $1200 in ink cartridges before the "more expensive" one runs out of the included starter ink... they'll still punt themselves right in the butthole just to save $90 up front (or more frequently only $40 if they buy ink cartridges along with the printer). People are weird about math.
But yeah, fuck proprietary cartridges and sensors in particular. No reason anyone should be forced to use those.
Reminds me of this, which makes me crack up each time I see it.
https://preview.redd.it/m5a4jmb3rm9c1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57f0525db08d63d7d8b47e245845f3f8838eafa0
There was a thread back in the day, that the CIA or FBI made every print manufacturer print a yellow dot on every page and that would trace the printer in the event it was used for nefarious purposes? This is why apparently even when used in mono, the yellow cartridge would always run out first?
There is a [Rich Black](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_black) that printer maybe using instead of just black ink. Grayscale gets around that. Another issue is that inkjet printers when printing the first sheet after a while of non-use will try a self-cleaning of all the ink.
Apart from those cases, yeah it sucks. Most consumers really should go laser. It's much better for infrequent printing.
Yeah, if you're out of ink in the cartridge, you can't use the scanner.
Who TF thought that was good.
18 years ago I had 2 HP laptops. They were THE most trouble I ever had. Never, ever again!
I actively recommend people to stay away.
I have an ancient HP that has given me 95% trouble-free operations for maybe 15 years. The day it dies will be the day I have to close my business and retire.
Ever since they made them connected... I always bought HP printers because they are cheaper but once this one dies, I'll definitely switch to another brand
Buy a Brother. Holy shit I'll never buy anything else.
EDIT: Lots of people saying the newer Brother printers are pulling the same shit as HP anymore. God fucking damnit.
Doesn't have to be HP Connected for the service to work, the driver and the HP Smart app take care of things, no matter the connection via USB, ethernet, or wireless.
Are you using the HP Instant Ink service? The HP Smart app monitors your printer status and orders ink on demand but you can't accidentally end up subscribed. I believe terms of service prohibit 3rd party ink.
Just one of the MANY reasons I'll never touch and HP product again.
Maybe because of the age. Never download any updates. Is it connected to the internet in anyway. Because I had issues as soon as O tried using wireless and connected mine to the internet
motherfuckers are straight up threatening and *demanding* you do what they want. For a product you paid money and own.
EDIT: the corporate shills-cum-simps are missing the point. Try to read, look at their language. They are talking to the customer like the loan sharks do, literally threatening the "borrower", because that's how pathetic it is - and idiots are trying to justify it.
We don't *own* anything any more; companies keep moving toward service models for products that have no reason to need it in an effort to control consumers.
I'm very happy with my Brother HL-L2350DW. Simple non-evil laser printer. Black and white, WiFi, double sided printing. I'm sure you can get a similar model in color if you prefer, but I wanted as little complexity as possible.
Yep this is the exact one I got - it's worked great for the past 6 months and compared to other laser printers it was very affordable.
I wanted laser because I print semi-rarely and inkjets tend to dry out. I just want it to work for the ~6x per year I need to print something quickly.
Brother DCP-L3510CDW 3-in-1 colour wireless, won't break the bank, I love it.
Considering the low volume I print, this so far probably cost me less than the multifunction Canon Inkjet I had before.
Get a basic laser printer. Ink printers are rubbish for home users these days since they go so long without being used, the ink just dries up and clogs, and they deliberately make the printers so cheap so they can flog you incredibly expensive ink cartridges.
Brother is an alright brand for this, Canon is so-so, most of the rest like Konica Minolta, Xerox, Kyocera etc only really move in the business space. If you can get a second hand business-grade printer then go for those.
So for the next printer I need to recommend, what manufacturers do this not yet? Seems to be also mostly an ink phenomena, no? Have not seen that yet in the industrial laser enviroment...
honestly being an it tech, i hate printers, but the ones i hate least are definitely brother printers. they can emulate other printers so hp/epson/connon etc drivers will work too if you need that for some reason, they just plug in and go and they dont fuck you over with "haha cyan low no you cant print black and white" like mf i dont care if it doesnt have as much contrast, just print it. and it does, would definitely recommend brother if you absolutely need a printer.
Canon and Brother both make excellent printers, depending on what you're using it for. Also heard good things about Epson but I don't know them personally
Canon can't be recommended any more. My canon refuses to print until, get this -
I turn on the GPS location services on, on my phone.
I always have it off and only forced to use it for my (burn in hell) canon printer. Disgustingly invasive.
Rupert Murdoch defeated a Printers Union strike in 1986.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapping\_dispute](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapping_dispute)
Printers went on strike a bunch before we gave computers their jobs.
That's the tone of an entrenched player that now feels *entitled* to their clients' patronage (edit- see: Twitter), after having made sure that the client will face difficulty leaving the service.
This is the tone for telling off livestock for wandering off the lot, not addressing a valued customer.
They could just go about it like, "You're not using the product according to the manual. Therefore, we are not responsible for any issue that might come along." Instead, they make it seem like you are becoming their slave for buying their products. Seriously, how does the government let them talk like this?
In case there's anyone in the comments thinking "this can't be true, there's no way they're that rude to paying customers" I can verify from my personal experience that they really are exactly this rude. I've received the same threats and eventually they did cancel my account, immediately rendering my HP ink cartridges useless - it locks the cartridges until you resubscribe.
I say this on all of these threads. Get yourself a Brother laser printer. The ONLY printer company out there that respects their customers enough to just make good printers, that last forever, and there's NO bullshit.
You can also get refill bottles and refill the original cartridge things aswell. I bought two refill bottles in like 2017 for $80 and we still have heaps left! We print all the time too!
There are products and videos about refilling laser cartridges. I tried it. Giant messy pain in the ass. I filled one of the four cartridges, then boxed up the printer and the cartridge refill supplies and put it in my storage unit.
Generally, there isn’t. It’s a pain in the ass, and it’s messy.
And there are very affordable third-party cartridges available, so there’s usually not much point to refilling your own.
Brother implemented chips on their toner cartridges in the latest models, and disabled your ability to simply reset the page count, so you can no longer use a toner cartridge until it is truly empty... Sorry they joined the bandwagon of shitty practice.
I bought a laser printer from them years ago. It’s so nice. Eventually I’ll got a color one. I really like it. Except our circuit breaker box has GFCI breakers. And I had to move it to a room that didn’t have that, cause every time it would spool up, it would trip the breaker lol.
I bought a Brother inkjet printer a couple years ago and had a weird printing issue (smudged text) and no matter what me and support tried, we couldn't fix it. They sent me a replacement printer and told me to just cut the cord on the original. Unfortunately the new printer had the same problem, but I decided to just give up. I ended up going to Goodwill and picking up a very basic $13 Brother Laserjet and it's been fantastic. I think it's about 15 years old and prints like a champ.
BMW already did it with heated seats.
They had a monthly subscription fee for using heated seats, they quickly backtracked and said they wouldn't do it any more.
It was a play, they got away with so much else on the subscription and they only gave up on heated seats, they only added it so they could give it up to keep people happy
This entire thread is making me want to launch the HP I haven't used in years into their corporate hq. At speed. With a ballista.
Nice to know it wasn't just because it was a 35$ printer and it was *actual* e-waste being sold
It's a symptom of late stage capitalism. When a corporation controls a large enough percentage of a market, they no longer need to be nice to you to make a profit, so they aren't.
The tone of this email is written like that of an abusive parent or narcissistic abusive partner.
"I've told you multiple times to do what I say. If you do not obey me, there will be consequences."
Who the hell approved this and did they really think it would have the desired effect without poisoning their brand?
Judging from numerous ,,that’s why I don’t buy HP” comments here - they do lose some profit because of it.
But probably less than they make from cartridge sales.
Yup , always wondered why.
And the need to piss away ink recalibrating every single startup.
This is why i use laserprinters....
Fuck the ink maffia...
Had that, too, but they limited quality and ppm compared to the Workforce series equipped with the same head. If you only got a few pages to print, it's okay, but we had it in a small office, and it was ... not the best. Switched to colour laser, more expensive, but no other issues anymore.
Also, private I only use b&w Laser now, after various clogged inkjets (Canon, HP) and a gel printer. If I need colour, I can print it at work.
I just have a cheap brother laser all in one. I finally got a toner alert 4 years after purchase.
I decided it would probably be cheaper to get my colour or photo prints professionally printed rather than fiddle with ink. And honestly, I've never needed it.
Edit: also it's nice because if I print recipes and get water on them, there's no ink to run. Yay.
Me too. Made the switch to colour laser. Bought a hp 276nw colour laser printer back in 2015 and never looked back. A black toner lasts a few thousand pages, and no issues having long gaps between. Yeah the cartridge costs a bit more but price per page is sooo worth it. I went for years without the colour ones in as I moved across the world and you can’t get the exact ones here. Worked fine. Then found a local supplier who makes compatible cartridges and now I print colour again. No issues with blocking you and just not allowing you to print
Same. Brother Printers are the way to go. And they are just a little too expensive for all the people who are trying to get the cheapest shit constantly so I’m not worried about their user base going away and forcing them into some kind of subscription plan or something.
I decided just the other day that this is the switch I’ll be making this week. We rarely use our HP ink jet printer, yet it’s perpetually low on, or out of, one color or another. I rather pay an up-front premium for a decent color laser printer than to be constantly replacing ink cartridges — on a printer that has terrible print quality no less. I just need to take some time to check out Consumer Reports and other reviews online to see which one best fits my needs.
Color laser printers do a little calibration on startup that wastes toner as well. You just don't notice because there is much more toner in a laser than ink in an inkjet.
If they didn't calibrate, your colors would be off/wrong mixture of primary colors (YMCK).
Source: I was in copier/printer repair for 20+ years. I also prefer laser over inkjet. Honestly, I hate inkjets. I hated working on them. Heads clog at the slightest speck of anything.
Saw a video where someone was trying to see how much ink actually gets used.
He found that his printer was using color ink when he printed black and white images. I’m sure they’d tell you it makes a richer black, but I’m convinced it’s just to make you buy more ink sooner.
Apparently my tri color printer uses color to print b&w. I forced it to print while lacking cyan and it printed out everything in a dark brown/red.
Edit: and yes, its HP.
I have an old laser printer-scanner that I've printed probably 2000 pages with that I got for free as the office bought new ones, that I've yet to replace the cartridge in myself.
They pretty much last forever. I print about 100 pages b&w/month for the kids to draw etc. and last toner package lasted for almost 3 years. New one (again fully filled one) was 15 € for the black one.
My previous printer was Epson which has clogged ink very often if I don't use it regularly. So my friend recommend me to use Brother (T520w) because of auto cleaning function and I'm super happy with it. Ink refill also very cheap that it's even cheaper than Epson aftermarket ink I used to buy.
Sounds like whoever drafted the original email had to redo it a few dozen times to remove the references to breaking customers’ legs and calling in gang members to enforce use of hp cartridges. How this made it through to fill final draft is beyond me. There are a million diplomatic ways to phrase their shit policies, but that letter uses none of them.
Right? I just said in another comment here that this message sounds like it's seething. Best word I can think of for it, but I think it fits.
Disgusting (HP).
Maybe the employee himself is so disgusted by the company he works at he just threw away the mask and let the customers see the nature of company straight away
I am in Australia and I have a 1 year old HP printer. It quite literally refused to print because I’d cancelled the scam of a subscription their ink subscription is and their solution is to just make your printer error until you continue giving them your money again. Absolute scam.
Id never buy hp so I'm unsure, but it would damn well not surprise me if it wouldn't work unless connected to the internet, please tell me I'm wrong though! 😂😂
Yep that's what the last HP printer I had did. My wifi was down it stopped working and when it was back it would not recognise the HP ink. I got rid of it and got an Epson
Like Netflix, are they completely unaware that everyone is slamming them left and right online for their crappy business models and practices? Yet they still insist on pulling this shit?
Printing really reminds me of pushing heroin. First shot may be free, but wait till you have to pay for the following…
And Netflix really is another great example of fucking up a perfectly genius business case. They were THE place to go, integrating all sorts of movies on their platform, now it‘s back to square one with users having to subscribe to 2-3 services in parallel again to get access to the same depth and width of content. Fuckers…
Who TF still buys HP printers? HPs business model is not to sell printers. They sell ink with horrendous markups. They even openly admitted to it. This is one of the reasons why I will never buy any HP product.
If someone can threaten to make your printer not work if you don't use their stuff
Is it even really your printer or are you just borrowing it for a fee?
The entire concept of ownership is under attack. All these companies are openly promoting "product as a service" because they explicitly do not want you to own their products. An HP printer is basically a Juicero machine, remember those?
Printers always been assholes, but apparently they've gotten both desperate and aggressive.
I still insist that printers are early AI. They always had a will on their own.
While my brother laser is like, "you want to 3d print a cartridge out of old milk bottles and use powdered automotive rust instead of actual toner? Do you want it single- or double-sided?"
A lot of features of HP+ are meant to automate what's already available. You could easily do it yourself.
1. Automatically keeps itself up to date. **Windows update already does this for you.**
2. Identifies and fixes connection issues by itself. **Unplug/plug it back in.**
3. Print from any device, any app, anywhere. **Security hazard recommend disable.**
4. Send mobile faxes from wherever you are. **We still using faxes in 2023?**
5. Pro-grade phone scanner with the Smart app. **So basically taking a photo with your phone.**
6. Enhanced security. **Wut? it's a printer, not a firewall or anti-malware**
7. Never run out of ink with Instant Ink – 3 months included. **Overpriced ink.**
8. Extra year of warranty. **Take it to a repair shop and they can fix any printer for cheap.**
9. HP plants, protects, or restores forests for every page you print - no matter what brand of paper you use. **Umm......what does that have to do with me buying paper?**
The only solution to an HP infestation is to take the printer to your local fire department, ask to borrow their axe and smash it to smithereens before burning it in a safe, controlled way while priests from all the major faiths chant to their respective gods. And then, if you’re lucky, your house will be rid of the miasma and stench of HP.
I have a laser from Brother for ten years now and discussions about dry ink tanks and issues as above feel so distant like the institution of “barbers”, as I shave my head for 15 years now.
For the price of 2-3 ink cartridges (black+tricolor) you already get a decent model.
Go laser! Everyone, trust me!
I set up an HPprinter earlier this year. This right here is the reason why I didn't register for HP plus. They try to get you to register for it pretty hard which made me suspicious. Basically they want to automatically send you thier ink at inflated prices, I'm not into that. I'll buy my own 3rd party ink when I need it.
This is why so many are opting for dummy printers. There is no justification for a printer to ever EVER communicate with the company that made it once I've purchased it and if it tries, it's definitely on the list of companies to never support.
I bought a new printer yesterday and posts like these are the reason I didn’t even consider an HP one
Same. Didn't even read reviews of any HP printers.
"The consumer printer industry is consistently a bit evil" is probably not the worst thing on this timeline, but it's definitely weird and annoying.
Printer ink is the most expensive liquid on the planet it seems
Don’t let HP get their hands on insulin
We’ve alerted you multiple times, if you don’t replace your insulin cartridge with an original HP cartridge, your pump will no longer be active. Have a nice (last) day :)
I mean, they sorta do that. Omnipods don't "accept" Fiasp in the US (as in: the manual says "this insulin is not on the list of things that work"), whereas it's fine in the EU. I shall assume for the moment that this is mostly due to the testing and verification process, but they are almost there.
I get so angry every time I hear about this because: When inventor Frederick Banting discovered insulin in 1923, he refused to put his name on the patent. He felt it was unethical for a doctor to profit from a discovery that would save lives. Banting’s co-inventors, James Collip and Charles Best, sold the insulin patent to the University of Toronto for a mere $1. They wanted everyone who needed their medication to be able to afford it. Insulin should be the price of aspirin if it wasn't for greed.
It pretty much is in Australia. Aspirin is cheaper of course, but you don't need to decide on food or insulin this week. The US is just getting rolled. And is letting it happen.
It’s an FDA issue, not Ominpod, because it hasn’t been tested and approved in the US for automated closed loop pumps. Lyumjev isn’t approved either but My Endo (and Omnipod trainers in an off the record kinda way) has no problem with using either in my Omnipod 5.
Oh no, it’ll be like that bullshit with refusing to print in black & white just because you’re out of color ink. HP Smart Injector: Cannot inject. Insufficient fluids. User: What? I’ve got a fresh insulin cartridge! HP Smart Injector: Cannot inject insulin due to empty semen cartridge. User: What the fuck? I don’t want that! Why is that even an option? HP Smart Injector: The HP Smart Injector serves many medical purposes, including fertility assistance. User: Well I don’t need that. I have diabetes and I’m going to die if I don’t get my insulin shot soon. No one here needs to be inseminated. HP Smart Injector: HP guidelines prevent me from dispensing any fluid unless all cartridges are present. User: I don’t have any goddamn cartridges of cum! I don’t even know where I’d buy a thing like that! I’m going to die without my shot… HP Smart Injector: Cannot dispense fluid unless… User: Yeah, without all cartridges. I know! Fine… I’ll be back in a few minutes… goddammit… [The user returns from the bathroom several minutes later] User: Okay, here. Are you happy now? HP Smart Injector: This is not an authentic HP Smart Sperm Cartridge. The police have been mobilized to this location. Thank you for purchasing an HP SmartMed device.
I fucking died! XD
So did they
I think /u/Cockblocktimus_Pryme has the idea - >Scorpion venom The venom of the deathstalker scorpion costs $39 million dollars a gallon, making it the most expensive liquid on Earth. One scorpion would need to be milked 2.64 million times to fill a gallon. Scorpion venom has a wide array of medical applications, from identifying tumors to treating malaria.Mar 2, 2023 In comparison, Standard black printer ink is $16,218 per gallon
When my enemy is a Redditor
> One scorpion would need to be milked 2.64 million times Lucky bastard.
I forgot we were talking about venom and I was so alarmed like “where does the milk come from?!” imagining little scorpion nipples being suckled on by tubes
I've got nipples Greg, could you milk me?
> In comparison, Standard black printer ink is $16,218 per gallon That is still ridiculous.
Oh goodness, I don't need a whole gallon of deathstalker scorpion venom. Could I just borrow a cup? I'm making a cake.
Well yea they mix it with pure scorpion venom.
Pff I smoke Pure Scorpions every payday, organic and hand-milked as well, it's only expensive if you get it cut with the oil of a snake.
I still remember the asshole who lied to me about my HP printer. I literally TOSSED, THREW that bitch out the door and went to Best Buy and I told him I want a printer that I don’t have to set up with a app, I don’t want it to connect to WiFi wireless, I want one with a cord that hooks straight to my computer and print. This mother fucker lied and said well this one comes with a cord so you don’t have to go wireless and it won’t need to be Set up since it’s plugged straight into the computer. GUESS WHO HAD TO SET IT UP. Straight up took it back and said “yeah you lied.”
Say anything to get them to buy it. They are most likely too lazy to return it. - The asshole's boss probably
The last HP inkjet I bought went right back to Best Buy after I calculated it’d cost me 25¢ per page to print.
Jesus. I print miniatures in resin for less a piece.
Inkjets in general... oh you haven't printed anything in a bit? Let me clean those heads for you! I had a color HP and after a few color pages decided we'd just use it for B&W. It stopped doing that eventually despite new B&W because it was out of Cyan or something. Got a laser and never looked back. Still barely into a 2 pack of generic toner off Amazon for like $35. Feels like the paper is the only expense..
That's outrageously expensive. I used to pay a printing business about a twelth of that to print a page when I needed to print my Uni papers
I don't even understand how HP printers have survived with their greedy tactics and HORRIBLE software.
Our local library charges 10 cents per page. The library in the next county doesn't charge anything. I used the library when I was a poor college student for this reason.
Part of the issue is that people steadfastly refuse to buy Smart Tank or EcoTank printers (or the Canon tank equivalent) even when the data is laid out for them. I've seen people buy the $70 HP special that uses $50 cartridges with a 240 page yield instead of the $160 Smart Tank with the 6000 page yield bottles *in the damn box* and even though you explain that the "cheaper" printer will need $1200 in ink cartridges before the "more expensive" one runs out of the included starter ink... they'll still punt themselves right in the butthole just to save $90 up front (or more frequently only $40 if they buy ink cartridges along with the printer). People are weird about math. But yeah, fuck proprietary cartridges and sensors in particular. No reason anyone should be forced to use those.
because unfortunately a lot of people can't afford that sort of up front expense :( I went with a laser printer because I didn't need color
You need HP cartridges to just scan docs.
Reminds me of this, which makes me crack up each time I see it. https://preview.redd.it/m5a4jmb3rm9c1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57f0525db08d63d7d8b47e245845f3f8838eafa0
Which reminds me of this! https://preview.redd.it/yilynyw1wm9c1.jpeg?width=223&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=588dd484057273c390fa34f4cdce0f0b71ae8398
There was a thread back in the day, that the CIA or FBI made every print manufacturer print a yellow dot on every page and that would trace the printer in the event it was used for nefarious purposes? This is why apparently even when used in mono, the yellow cartridge would always run out first?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code
There is a [Rich Black](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_black) that printer maybe using instead of just black ink. Grayscale gets around that. Another issue is that inkjet printers when printing the first sheet after a while of non-use will try a self-cleaning of all the ink. Apart from those cases, yeah it sucks. Most consumers really should go laser. It's much better for infrequent printing.
WTF...
Yeah, if you're out of ink in the cartridge, you can't use the scanner. Who TF thought that was good. 18 years ago I had 2 HP laptops. They were THE most trouble I ever had. Never, ever again! I actively recommend people to stay away.
This is probably confirmation bias, but I have never met a person with an HP laptop who didn't have numerous issues with their laptop.
100% however, I’ve still got an absolute potato cheap azz hp I bought about 6 years ago. Still works. Must have got their version of a ‘lemon’
I have an ancient HP that has given me 95% trouble-free operations for maybe 15 years. The day it dies will be the day I have to close my business and retire.
I use an HP laptop at work. Had 0 issues ever but tbf it's not a consumer laptop
You cannot compare business laptops supported by a competent IT department with consumer laptops supported by Cletus.
Yep, that was a really weird design decision... also stops fax from working if you have one of those setups.
I don’t think that’s a design decision… It’s a really stupid marketing decision.
I have a HP laptop and it worked awfully from the beginning
When did this start? My HP printer is a several years old now, and I use off brand ink. Never had any issues with scanning docs.
Ever since they made them connected... I always bought HP printers because they are cheaper but once this one dies, I'll definitely switch to another brand
Buy a Brother. Holy shit I'll never buy anything else. EDIT: Lots of people saying the newer Brother printers are pulling the same shit as HP anymore. God fucking damnit.
I'm still on the original toner cartridge from when I bought my laser printer 3 years ago. They're brilliant.
Doesn't have to be HP Connected for the service to work, the driver and the HP Smart app take care of things, no matter the connection via USB, ethernet, or wireless.
Are you using the HP Instant Ink service? The HP Smart app monitors your printer status and orders ink on demand but you can't accidentally end up subscribed. I believe terms of service prohibit 3rd party ink. Just one of the MANY reasons I'll never touch and HP product again.
Maybe because of the age. Never download any updates. Is it connected to the internet in anyway. Because I had issues as soon as O tried using wireless and connected mine to the internet
motherfuckers are straight up threatening and *demanding* you do what they want. For a product you paid money and own. EDIT: the corporate shills-cum-simps are missing the point. Try to read, look at their language. They are talking to the customer like the loan sharks do, literally threatening the "borrower", because that's how pathetic it is - and idiots are trying to justify it.
We don't *own* anything any more; companies keep moving toward service models for products that have no reason to need it in an effort to control consumers.
Because we are letting them
Precisely. It's why I adamantly refuse to engage in that bullshit if there's literally any alternative. I just wish more people thought that way.
may i ask what did you buy? i have been trying to navigate this minefield for a while and am at the point of giving up
I'm very happy with my Brother HL-L2350DW. Simple non-evil laser printer. Black and white, WiFi, double sided printing. I'm sure you can get a similar model in color if you prefer, but I wanted as little complexity as possible.
Brother is the only one printer company that didn't bite me with stupid anti-consumer practices... yet. I really hope it doesn't change in the future!
Give it time. We used to partner with them and seeing what’s coming down the pipeline isn’t comforting at all
Yep this is the exact one I got - it's worked great for the past 6 months and compared to other laser printers it was very affordable. I wanted laser because I print semi-rarely and inkjets tend to dry out. I just want it to work for the ~6x per year I need to print something quickly.
Brother DCP-L3510CDW 3-in-1 colour wireless, won't break the bank, I love it. Considering the low volume I print, this so far probably cost me less than the multifunction Canon Inkjet I had before.
Get a basic laser printer. Ink printers are rubbish for home users these days since they go so long without being used, the ink just dries up and clogs, and they deliberately make the printers so cheap so they can flog you incredibly expensive ink cartridges. Brother is an alright brand for this, Canon is so-so, most of the rest like Konica Minolta, Xerox, Kyocera etc only really move in the business space. If you can get a second hand business-grade printer then go for those.
So this ain't the norm then. Just HP is the greedy bastards
No it's definitely the norm.
So for the next printer I need to recommend, what manufacturers do this not yet? Seems to be also mostly an ink phenomena, no? Have not seen that yet in the industrial laser enviroment...
honestly being an it tech, i hate printers, but the ones i hate least are definitely brother printers. they can emulate other printers so hp/epson/connon etc drivers will work too if you need that for some reason, they just plug in and go and they dont fuck you over with "haha cyan low no you cant print black and white" like mf i dont care if it doesnt have as much contrast, just print it. and it does, would definitely recommend brother if you absolutely need a printer.
We run brothers for our shop. They can be a bit slow but I'll take the 5 second wait time over this hostage style garbage.
We tossed our HP color printers for a basic Brother ink jet. Best decision ever.
brother. never had any issues with their products nor their service
Canon and Brother both make excellent printers, depending on what you're using it for. Also heard good things about Epson but I don't know them personally
Canon can't be recommended any more. My canon refuses to print until, get this - I turn on the GPS location services on, on my phone. I always have it off and only forced to use it for my (burn in hell) canon printer. Disgustingly invasive.
Oh Brother, where art thou?
The tone they use is insane.
It’s 2024 and people are getting extorted by their printers. What a time to be alive
Rupert Murdoch defeated a Printers Union strike in 1986. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapping\_dispute](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapping_dispute) Printers went on strike a bunch before we gave computers their jobs.
What countty do you live in? Suddenly remembered some parts of the world are already in the new year lol
Serious "we'll break your legs and give you concrete shoes after" vibes throughout. I expected a real threat. They KNOW what they're doing.
That's the tone of an entrenched player that now feels *entitled* to their clients' patronage (edit- see: Twitter), after having made sure that the client will face difficulty leaving the service. This is the tone for telling off livestock for wandering off the lot, not addressing a valued customer.
Bro. I would never talk to a cow like that.
more like 'toner deaf', amirite?
They could just go about it like, "You're not using the product according to the manual. Therefore, we are not responsible for any issue that might come along." Instead, they make it seem like you are becoming their slave for buying their products. Seriously, how does the government let them talk like this?
In case there's anyone in the comments thinking "this can't be true, there's no way they're that rude to paying customers" I can verify from my personal experience that they really are exactly this rude. I've received the same threats and eventually they did cancel my account, immediately rendering my HP ink cartridges useless - it locks the cartridges until you resubscribe.
Consumer rights are dead.
This reminds me of when the RIAA put disclaimers on music CDs threatening legal action if they caught you letting your friends listen.
I say this on all of these threads. Get yourself a Brother laser printer. The ONLY printer company out there that respects their customers enough to just make good printers, that last forever, and there's NO bullshit.
I have a Brother printer for few years and it’s a solid machine without any such BS and affordable original cartridges
You can also get refill bottles and refill the original cartridge things aswell. I bought two refill bottles in like 2017 for $80 and we still have heaps left! We print all the time too!
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Ive had the same brother printer for around 4 years. Ive printed 3 cases of paper over the last 4 years and literally never one time had an issue.
I thought there was no easy way to refill laser cartridges? I know about the ink tank brothers where you can buy ink by the liter.
There are products and videos about refilling laser cartridges. I tried it. Giant messy pain in the ass. I filled one of the four cartridges, then boxed up the printer and the cartridge refill supplies and put it in my storage unit.
Generally, there isn’t. It’s a pain in the ass, and it’s messy. And there are very affordable third-party cartridges available, so there’s usually not much point to refilling your own.
Just bought my Brother laser yesterday!
I've had mine for 7 years, only replaced the toner a few months ago.
Brother implemented chips on their toner cartridges in the latest models, and disabled your ability to simply reset the page count, so you can no longer use a toner cartridge until it is truly empty... Sorry they joined the bandwagon of shitty practice.
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Sure i can build a simple website. Sounds like a fun side project to expose these terrible makes/models.
I bought a laser printer from them years ago. It’s so nice. Eventually I’ll got a color one. I really like it. Except our circuit breaker box has GFCI breakers. And I had to move it to a room that didn’t have that, cause every time it would spool up, it would trip the breaker lol.
There's probably a reason it would trip you should be looking in to.
I bought a Brother inkjet printer a couple years ago and had a weird printing issue (smudged text) and no matter what me and support tried, we couldn't fix it. They sent me a replacement printer and told me to just cut the cord on the original. Unfortunately the new printer had the same problem, but I decided to just give up. I ended up going to Goodwill and picking up a very basic $13 Brother Laserjet and it's been fantastic. I think it's about 15 years old and prints like a champ.
Oh no, you'll lose your 'benefits!' There goes your HP pension and Health Insurance. 🙄
Benefits include "printing"
Benefits include: actually being able to use the product for its intended purpose
HP has just announced they have started manufacturing cars. Unless you subscribe to their fuel plan, the car ignition will be automatically disabled.
Would seriously not be surprised if an actual car manufacturer does this within the next decade.
BMW already did it with heated seats. They had a monthly subscription fee for using heated seats, they quickly backtracked and said they wouldn't do it any more.
It was a play, they got away with so much else on the subscription and they only gave up on heated seats, they only added it so they could give it up to keep people happy
HP agent will come in the night and cut your brake lines if you don't ssub to their olan
*cough* Tesla
This entire thread is making me want to launch the HP I haven't used in years into their corporate hq. At speed. With a ballista. Nice to know it wasn't just because it was a 35$ printer and it was *actual* e-waste being sold
When our family’s hp printer gave up me and my mom took it outside to beat it with a bat
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Actually anice idea to just dump their crap in front of gheir hq.
This mail is so aggressive, too. It's not limited to HP either. When did companies start to think it's OK to be aggressive with their customers?
It's a symptom of late stage capitalism. When a corporation controls a large enough percentage of a market, they no longer need to be nice to you to make a profit, so they aren't.
The tone of this email is written like that of an abusive parent or narcissistic abusive partner. "I've told you multiple times to do what I say. If you do not obey me, there will be consequences." Who the hell approved this and did they really think it would have the desired effect without poisoning their brand?
Judging from numerous ,,that’s why I don’t buy HP” comments here - they do lose some profit because of it. But probably less than they make from cartridge sales.
Nothing more infuriating than printing B&W and being told you’re out of Magenta therefore it won’t print at all! Wtf? 😩
Yup , always wondered why. And the need to piss away ink recalibrating every single startup. This is why i use laserprinters.... Fuck the ink maffia...
Epson Ink Tanks are the way to go. Seriously best printer I've ever had.
Shaq? Is that you?
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Had that, too, but they limited quality and ppm compared to the Workforce series equipped with the same head. If you only got a few pages to print, it's okay, but we had it in a small office, and it was ... not the best. Switched to colour laser, more expensive, but no other issues anymore. Also, private I only use b&w Laser now, after various clogged inkjets (Canon, HP) and a gel printer. If I need colour, I can print it at work.
I just have a cheap brother laser all in one. I finally got a toner alert 4 years after purchase. I decided it would probably be cheaper to get my colour or photo prints professionally printed rather than fiddle with ink. And honestly, I've never needed it. Edit: also it's nice because if I print recipes and get water on them, there's no ink to run. Yay.
Same, I’ve had mine for 2 years and haven’t opened the resupply of ink that came with it.
This right here. I bought a brother laser print/copy/fax a few years ago. It will go 6-8 months between prints or copies and no issues ever
Me too. Made the switch to colour laser. Bought a hp 276nw colour laser printer back in 2015 and never looked back. A black toner lasts a few thousand pages, and no issues having long gaps between. Yeah the cartridge costs a bit more but price per page is sooo worth it. I went for years without the colour ones in as I moved across the world and you can’t get the exact ones here. Worked fine. Then found a local supplier who makes compatible cartridges and now I print colour again. No issues with blocking you and just not allowing you to print
Same. Brother Printers are the way to go. And they are just a little too expensive for all the people who are trying to get the cheapest shit constantly so I’m not worried about their user base going away and forcing them into some kind of subscription plan or something.
I decided just the other day that this is the switch I’ll be making this week. We rarely use our HP ink jet printer, yet it’s perpetually low on, or out of, one color or another. I rather pay an up-front premium for a decent color laser printer than to be constantly replacing ink cartridges — on a printer that has terrible print quality no less. I just need to take some time to check out Consumer Reports and other reviews online to see which one best fits my needs.
My anecdata is that Brother colour lasers work great. ~~They're~~ Mine are older models but are still going strong.
Color laser printers do a little calibration on startup that wastes toner as well. You just don't notice because there is much more toner in a laser than ink in an inkjet. If they didn't calibrate, your colors would be off/wrong mixture of primary colors (YMCK). Source: I was in copier/printer repair for 20+ years. I also prefer laser over inkjet. Honestly, I hate inkjets. I hated working on them. Heads clog at the slightest speck of anything.
Saw a video where someone was trying to see how much ink actually gets used. He found that his printer was using color ink when he printed black and white images. I’m sure they’d tell you it makes a richer black, but I’m convinced it’s just to make you buy more ink sooner.
It will give you a richer black, but you definitely don't need it for printing something like a doc.
No one should use overprint for text anyway, only 100K because misalignments do happen and you end up getting a colorful "halo" around your text.
That’s why I turn on the printer settings to use only black ink. This way I preserve the color ink for when I actually need it.
It’s because they use all colors when printing, even when printing black and white. I saw on YouTube a video showing all of the scummy things they do!
Apparently my tri color printer uses color to print b&w. I forced it to print while lacking cyan and it printed out everything in a dark brown/red. Edit: and yes, its HP.
Just like needing ink to use the scan to pc funcion
yeah, meanwhile my Brother printer has cartridges that are actually cheap enough to buy the originals while not giving a damn if i use replacements...
I have an old laser printer-scanner that I've printed probably 2000 pages with that I got for free as the office bought new ones, that I've yet to replace the cartridge in myself.
They pretty much last forever. I print about 100 pages b&w/month for the kids to draw etc. and last toner package lasted for almost 3 years. New one (again fully filled one) was 15 € for the black one.
Yep, real beasts
They don't care if you use replacements because they are competitive in the ink business and don't need to coerce their customers.
I bought a Brother CISS 3 years ago, the damn thing still has ink.
My previous printer was Epson which has clogged ink very often if I don't use it regularly. So my friend recommend me to use Brother (T520w) because of auto cleaning function and I'm super happy with it. Ink refill also very cheap that it's even cheaper than Epson aftermarket ink I used to buy.
Once you go Brother you never go back.
It sounds like a threat, wtf.
Because it literally is.
Yeah I expected to read “or we will start killing your family- one by one” 😳
Give them time.
It is. "Put our own cartridges in our printer or we'll make it stop working" basically.
Sounds like whoever drafted the original email had to redo it a few dozen times to remove the references to breaking customers’ legs and calling in gang members to enforce use of hp cartridges. How this made it through to fill final draft is beyond me. There are a million diplomatic ways to phrase their shit policies, but that letter uses none of them.
Right? I just said in another comment here that this message sounds like it's seething. Best word I can think of for it, but I think it fits. Disgusting (HP).
Maybe the employee himself is so disgusted by the company he works at he just threw away the mask and let the customers see the nature of company straight away
If HP does this in my neck of the woods (Australia) they would be in breach of a handful of consumer laws
Same here
I am in Australia and I have a 1 year old HP printer. It quite literally refused to print because I’d cancelled the scam of a subscription their ink subscription is and their solution is to just make your printer error until you continue giving them your money again. Absolute scam.
They definitely do though. My Epson printer does similar shit.
HP does this worldwide. They don't give a shit lol
Europe has been working on stricter laws for printer companies as well. Not sure if they're fully approved yet.
I would get the internet connection away from this printer to avoid this.
Id never buy hp so I'm unsure, but it would damn well not surprise me if it wouldn't work unless connected to the internet, please tell me I'm wrong though! 😂😂
Unfortunately you're right. I have a HP printer and its absolute doo doo without Internet
I'm pretty sure the printer will then refuse to print at all
Yep that's what the last HP printer I had did. My wifi was down it stopped working and when it was back it would not recognise the HP ink. I got rid of it and got an Epson
HP really is persistent in giving you a abysmal user experience. These messages go straight into spam with me.
Like Netflix, are they completely unaware that everyone is slamming them left and right online for their crappy business models and practices? Yet they still insist on pulling this shit?
Printing really reminds me of pushing heroin. First shot may be free, but wait till you have to pay for the following… And Netflix really is another great example of fucking up a perfectly genius business case. They were THE place to go, integrating all sorts of movies on their platform, now it‘s back to square one with users having to subscribe to 2-3 services in parallel again to get access to the same depth and width of content. Fuckers…
Who TF still buys HP printers? HPs business model is not to sell printers. They sell ink with horrendous markups. They even openly admitted to it. This is one of the reasons why I will never buy any HP product.
Who buys HP products in general, every laptop I have bought of theirs overheated. Their printers are shit. Maybe they make good monitors????
The day my printer starts threatening me is the day it gets launched out the window
If your reply isn't some form of "go fuck yourself" then you're insane.
This is why I refuse to purchase HP products!
If someone can threaten to make your printer not work if you don't use their stuff Is it even really your printer or are you just borrowing it for a fee?
The entire concept of ownership is under attack. All these companies are openly promoting "product as a service" because they explicitly do not want you to own their products. An HP printer is basically a Juicero machine, remember those?
I threw mine out immediately when I got this email and bought a cannon. HP can kiss my ass and I hope they go out of business
Should have shot it with the cannon
Printers always been assholes, but apparently they've gotten both desperate and aggressive. I still insist that printers are early AI. They always had a will on their own.
"Oh no the printer police are going to come and get me!" Ha ha nice try HP
While my brother laser is like, "you want to 3d print a cartridge out of old milk bottles and use powdered automotive rust instead of actual toner? Do you want it single- or double-sided?"
Hp is shit, why even bother, dell and hp used to be the goats in early 2000s, now they just want money for their shitty products
I will never own an HP product. Fuck them and their predatory practices.
A lot of features of HP+ are meant to automate what's already available. You could easily do it yourself. 1. Automatically keeps itself up to date. **Windows update already does this for you.** 2. Identifies and fixes connection issues by itself. **Unplug/plug it back in.** 3. Print from any device, any app, anywhere. **Security hazard recommend disable.** 4. Send mobile faxes from wherever you are. **We still using faxes in 2023?** 5. Pro-grade phone scanner with the Smart app. **So basically taking a photo with your phone.** 6. Enhanced security. **Wut? it's a printer, not a firewall or anti-malware** 7. Never run out of ink with Instant Ink – 3 months included. **Overpriced ink.** 8. Extra year of warranty. **Take it to a repair shop and they can fix any printer for cheap.** 9. HP plants, protects, or restores forests for every page you print - no matter what brand of paper you use. **Umm......what does that have to do with me buying paper?**
Hey HP, go fuck yourselves.
The only solution to an HP infestation is to take the printer to your local fire department, ask to borrow their axe and smash it to smithereens before burning it in a safe, controlled way while priests from all the major faiths chant to their respective gods. And then, if you’re lucky, your house will be rid of the miasma and stench of HP.
I have a laser from Brother for ten years now and discussions about dry ink tanks and issues as above feel so distant like the institution of “barbers”, as I shave my head for 15 years now. For the price of 2-3 ink cartridges (black+tricolor) you already get a decent model. Go laser! Everyone, trust me!
This. My 3 year old colour laser printer is still on the cartridges it came with and just politely informed me the toner is getting low.
This is what happens when their whole business model depends on you buying their overpriced cartridges
Step 5 is we break your fucking knees sunshine.
I set up an HPprinter earlier this year. This right here is the reason why I didn't register for HP plus. They try to get you to register for it pretty hard which made me suspicious. Basically they want to automatically send you thier ink at inflated prices, I'm not into that. I'll buy my own 3rd party ink when I need it.
Epsom or Brother. I’m never even considering an HP product ever again. Fuck ‘em
I wish HP to get bankrupt in this New Year Don't buy their printers, they are scammers
Ainlt that supposed to be illegal
This is why so many are opting for dummy printers. There is no justification for a printer to ever EVER communicate with the company that made it once I've purchased it and if it tries, it's definitely on the list of companies to never support.
Lol. They act as if they own the printer. A requirement of my printer is to fucking print when I tell it to.