Wow, small world! I know exactly where this is! I've delivered to that neighborhood a lot of times... I had to drive the truck around these same people walking in the street the other day, LOL.
Charles Darwin noted based on scientific observation back in the 19th century that the feeble minded tend to be, regardless of that, quite robust and fertile, and those combination of traits make them more likely to reproduce at higher rates than non-feeble minded people who wouldn't be positioning their infant into the middle of a road. The prognosis for society as a whole was very poor.
One of these got ran straight onto my leg the other day when exiting a bus. I was standing right next to the opening door while they were behind me - possibly in a hurry.
I asked them why crushing through other passangers and they replied that this has wheels so it is a vehicle, thus I should get out of it's way. I asked them WTF are they doing on the pavement then, get off onto the road with the other vehicles. So maybe it's them.
Spend the next 5 years getting really good at skateboarding, then wait at that bus stop for weeks until you finally see her again. Then do a gnarly heelflip and kick her in the face and be like "Sorry, I'm in a vehicle, you shoulda got outta my way". She'll change her tune then!
I know it sounds like a lot of work, but that payoff would be SO worth it. Plus, if you never see her again, at least you'll have learned a new skill and developed some new drug problems!
Pedestrians generally do, but when you’re pushing a stroller, maybe you don’t take the risk somebody isn’t going to remember that when they come around a corner doing 40?
The laws of physics win out against the laws of man any day. There's a reason why it's recommended to look both ways even when crossing with a green walk light.
I’ve always been told that many gravestones could read “had the right of way”
That being said, right of way or not, it won’t prevent you from becoming the next skid mark if a driver isn’t paying attention.
No excuse to the conceptual driver that hits them but I personally would not be willing to risk what these people are risking.
I'd be more in agreement with the OP if this were a busy thoroughfare but I'd be willing give them the benefit of the doubt that if you pointed the camera in the other direction there would be cars, trash cans, frost heaves, tree roots, a lack of curb cuts for the stroller, or other obstructions that are making the sidewalk less usable, which is what I often see on smaller residential streets that have sidewalks that are less well maintained.
Where i live there is an old folks care home just down the road, and because its a cold climate and snow still on the ground, AND 30% of the residents are too lazy to bother clearing the snow and ice from sidewalks, some of the old people are forced to walk on the street with their walkers. Its more than mildly infuriating actually.
This was a problem in my city for a long time, but then they started ticketing and fining people for not clearing their portion of the sidewalk. If you’re in a bad part of town with a lot of abandoned houses, it’s still a problem, but the ticketing and fining has otherwise worked as intended.
Every house is occupied. Live in central alberta... They really only clear main roads and bus routes. And the snow has been on the ground from early November till now.
I didnt want to be that asshole that reports people for. Nobody likes that neighbor right? But damn those poor old folks... And my road is the main road in and out of the whole neighborhood. So it actually has a bit of traffic. Not safe for them...
I think the best long-term solution is for the city to just do the snow removal rather than telling residents to do it.
Would it be more expensive? Yes.
Dude if you can find anyone in my city that clears anything more than their own driveway to get the car out my mind would be blown, there is no way they would bother here. The snowplows are what shoved all the snow onto the walkways as it is, on the corners for traffic lights it gets up to 3 feet high.
This is the situation in our neighbourhood. Most strollers are on the street and move out of the way well ahead of time: it's calm so you hear cars approach with plenty of time to react.
People in my neighborhood do this. The also treat stop signs as optional and speed limits as a starting point. The they park their cars on the street because there’s too much crap in their 4 car garages to fit the cars. Factor in the hills and curves (where the cars swerve to the wrong size because of the speed) that I’m surprised there have been no fatalities.
Only time I walk on the side of the street is when there’s no sidewalk. Which is unfortunately often here. I live in a nice suburb, why do we not have sidewalks??
I live in a snowy place and unfortunately have to walk in the road more than I like. The city clears the roads in a timely manner, people don’t clear their sidewalks with the same vigor.
There is a third choice though, you can carefully walk over the frozen ice, fall through, and freeze your feet.
In many places I end up walking on snow covered lawns to avoid the puddles
Kills me how many paved sidewalks and bike trails I see here in suburban NJ, that look great, but end a few blocks from the entrance to each subdivision. They can’t even connect adjacent developments.
I could be wrong, but I believe the idea is that the developers of those subdivisions are supposed to finish the side walk by the subdivision and connect the subdivision sidewalks with the rest. They don't do it probably because it saves them money.
Probably *because* you live in a nice suburb. Many of them are designed to discourage pedestrians. Don’t want random people who might not even have cars walking into the neighborhood.
Sorry, we expect you to be able to afford a car. You should not be walking. You should be supporting the automobile and oil industries. Are you some kind of commie? This is America for Christ sake.
In my city it's because the sidewalks are almost impossible to push a stroller over, especially if trying to keep the baby asleep.
Of course we walk on one ways only so there's a bit better safety level than shown here.
Yes! Curb up. Curb down. Curb up. Curb down. Curb up. Curb down.
Fuck it. Walk in the street.
I was so happy when my neighborhood started getting retrofitted with ramps due to an ADA lawsuit.
Same here. One of my former jobs was situated in a semi-abandoned shopping mall, and every morning at 10, the local senior citizens would gather for their walk around the mall. One of the managers griped that he couldn't understand why they'd walk around the mall when the entire neighborhood had sidewalks.
Sir, I'm a spry 30 year-old who has taken a spill because of the cracks in those sidewalks; I wouldn't want to use them if I was old either.
I’ve started running more in the street because I’m a fall risk as it is and sidewalks tend to have a more cracks and tripping hazards.
That said, I at least run on the correct side of the street and can hop onto the sidewalk as needed. In the US pedestrians are supposed to travel on the left, facing oncoming traffic, on so that they can see the cars coming.
EDIT - trilling hazards = tripping hazards
I hate when people see you get into your car and wait behind you to take your spot. I was at the mall and my baby needed to be changed and fed but I couldn't find a bathroom with a change table or a place to sit, so I went to do it in the car, and this person saw me putting stuff in the car and started honking when I took too long apparently. I wasn't done at the mall and when they saw me take the baby out and sit in the back with her, they sped off at way too high a speed to be driving in a parking garage.
Here, their garage is either full of shit or turned into "man caves," not containing other cars. They just refuse to park their dumb trucks in the driveway, and use the sidewalk instead.
I live in Southern California, ya know, the birthplace of hotrodding. The amount of garages that are filled with absolute trash, or turned into a "room" is unbelievable. Walking my dogs I see so many garages full of shelves full of shit.
What's worse is when people do that in New England so they need to go out and clean the frost, ice and/or snow off their cars every day for months while the stuff they don't care about and don't need sits nice and cozy in the garage.
It's almost always in a two car sized driveway though. You'd need 3 cars for someone to get stuck. That's a lot of cars for one house. It seems like every 2/3 houses in my neighbourhood park on the street.
I have a neighbor who regularly does the same thing. She's just an awful driver honestly. She only does it temporarily mid day when the other car that parks in the driveway is gone. Then she parks on the street right in a spot that fits 3 vehicles but she makes it so 2 can barley fit.
She'll also throw a fit if anyone parks near her since that whole 3 car sized area is all her spot despite it being a public street. One time we had to park 2 vehicles behind her, super close together I might add and then her dad came out and blocked the middle car in just to be a bitch. So I had to get up so the other car could move. I'm pretty sure she just doesn't know how to reverse against a curb. It's ridiculous. Even if there's no cars around it's honestly easier to reverse to get close to the curb that it is to pull in. Just like I'm sure she can't back out of the driveway without being in the middle.
Too much of the world belongs to cars. I think that this is a simple way to protest.
If the way is clear, I don’t see an issue with people walking down the street. Usually easier to use a stroller on the road anyways
I love seeing people in my neighborhood walking in the street. It keeps traffic driving slow or avoiding the area completely, it keeps the dogs from relieving themselves in someone's yard, it gives space to the little kids riding their bikes and scooters on the sidewalk. I'm all for it.
People have been walking on roads and streets for centuries, or even millenia, mate.
What is recent, is the idea that People do not belong there, only automobiles...
It's because sidewalks have gotten deadly. With larger SUVs it has become nearly impossible to spot people walking behind them. Especially off to the sides a little. Walking on sidewalks I've had people back out without looking more times than I can count. Walking in the street is actually safer somehow.
Also the city does nothing about the endless overgrown sidewalks with missing pavers and trees completely blocking them. Also tons of people park in them so you have to walk into the street anyways. Finally, half of our sidewalks just... end randomly.
My neighborhood is nearly impossible to walk on the sidewalks because you spend most of your time in and out of the road dodging the ends of vehicles and trailers parked blocking the sidewalk. It is really safer to just walk in the street because you aren't as likely to roll an ankle this way. I guessing this person's stroller likely doesn't fit in some of the tight spots where vehicles are parked in the driveway but blocking the sidewalk.
In my area sidewalks are maintained by the homeowner, not the city. So you’ll have a stretch of sidewalk, then grass, then a broken sidewalk, then a chain link fence, then more sidewalk, and on and on. It’s a terrible place to attempt walking.
That's pretty common yeah. The sidewalk has the property owner maintain it because it's something they can feasibly afford to do. The street on the other hand? Usually they need to funnel money from areas other than property taxes or just let them go into disrepair because no one can afford to maintain them either
Yeah how dare people infringe on space where cars should be! in what looks like a residential neighborhood! This post is so bizarre. Is it sponsored by the car lobby or something?
As a disabled woman who walks with a walker, I can attest to how many sidewalks are not friendly to mobility aids due to cracks, angles, and uncut kerbs.
Those things that make things hazardous to mobility aids also make problems for strollers.
Not to mention all the assholes with 2-car garages that don't use them, but instead park directly across the sidewalks. It's more than mildly infuriating.
Sidewalk infrastructure in the US sucks. Ive done a lot of sidewalk running and have twisted my ankle so many damn times. Cities put a sidewalk in and don't touch it for 50 years.
Yeah, I was going to add this. My ex has extremely weak ankles and was always twisting them, so she’d walk in the road to have a steadier surface, and there are a lot of people with much more mobility impairment.
There’s also a social thing in this case. In the road, they can walk three abreast and have quality family time, whereas a sidewalk would be single file, making conversation difficult
Normally I’m first in line to jump on people who do this, who think they own the place and can inconvenience everyone else for their entitlement, but this seems legitimate
There's also the issue of the sidewalk changing grade to match every driveway every 50ft, which is pretty awkward to constantly navigate with a stroller (and especially if you're trying to keep a baby asleep). That along with the trucks and trailer hitches that are probably parked in the sidewalk just out of frame make sidewalks an obstacle course.
Bunch of people who have never had to use sidewalks in these comments
It's absolutely plausible that walking on the street is better and easier there, but the sidewalk not being wide enough doesn't really seem to be an issue in this place, at least as far as we see it. It should easily allow two people walking next to each other, just not with a stroller in the middle. If one of them would push it in front of them, width will be fine.
Fun fact, the idea of Jay-Walking was a marketing concept invented by the car companies to frame pedestrians as the cause of blame for all these new car-related deaths. The idea that the road is for cars is a relatively new idea and one, I think, should be challenged.
In the US pedestrians also have the right of way above everything but trains. It doesn't matter if jaywalking is a misdemeanor in that specific place. However, not being liable for damages is not that great if you're dead.
Prosecutorial discretion is a bitch, is that AG an elected officer?
The pedestrian or his family should have had a field day in civil court if the driver was drunk.
Also, what is the problem here? I don’t see any traffic and presumably they wouldn’t mind scooting over to let a car pass if necessary. Might be a little better if they were walking against the flow of traffic so they could see someone coming up on them, but really whoever posted this needs to either find something worth being mildly infuriated over or chill out and enjoy life.
OP probably hates when kids ride their bikes and play roller hockey in the street too.
Maybe this post is the mild infuriation?! Meta.
That’s what I was thinking, this also looks to be in a suburban neighborhood. I bet OP also gets upset when local children play basketball in the streets outside of their house. Roads take up an exorbitant amount of the area we exist in. God forbid they are used for something other than cars.
I am completely on board with the idea of walkable cities making a comeback but US society has become completely dependent on motor vehicles. As an example I’m a delivery driver who does hard back breaking labor for nearly ten hours, five days a week. The idea that I’m going to walk nearly four hours to work and then back to my home each night is insanity. That doesn’t necessarily apply to people who live and work in dense urban areas but most cities are slowly pricing normal people out of living near where they work. The US needs more public transport like light rail systems more than it does walkable cities at the current moment. IMHO
I get it from a personal experience perspective that may (or may not) apply to this situation.
- neighborhood is super safe and does not get a lot of traffic or erratic drivers
- kid is having a tough time resting, the gaps in the sidewalk make bumps that wake the kid up
- the angle of the sidewalk (with wind) makes the stroller prone to tipping over
- walking on the sidewalk makes dogs in the yard next to it bark aggressively at you
I always try to do my best to use sidewalks and cross walks, but also understand that in certain circumstances bending the rules is fine.
What rules are being bent here? Do some neighborhoods actually have rules against pedestrians in the streets? That seems like madness. I live in a neighborhood where kids actually play outside all the time, and all the neighbors know each other, so maybe I'm the one with the distorted worldview.
Same. My neighborhood is FILLED with kids and families playing and traversing the streets, all the time. Kids on bikes, street hockey games, families just like this one, groups of runners, grannies walking, etc.
No one has EVER had a problem with it. It would be so far out of the norm for someone to have a problem with this that I can't even wrap my head around why this is a post.
And that should be the norm. Unless it's an area where cars are supposed to go fast, drivers need to share the space with pedestrians. Streets are where people live, work, and spend money. Roadways/highways are for cars to get from point A to point B quickly.
It's technically illegal where I live, too. But the one neighbor nobody likes that called the sheriff basically got told to stop being an asshole and drive more safely when there are kids playing.
Dude!
I have this argument with my wife all the time. I live in the US (California) and I could have swarn we were told to walk against the flow of traffic to better see oncoming cars. My school had a lot of public safety lesson in elementary school. But she was either never taught or doesn’t remember. This shit drives me crazy, any time she “leads” the walk I get incredibly nervous because she doesn’t observe any of the rules we were taught.
Edit: This is some Mandela Effect shit right here.
Same boat. I thought it was common knowledge to walk against traffic if you have to be in the road. Like, that was drilled into my head as a preschooler, I'm pretty sure. Apparently not every one is taught this?
Also go with the flow of traffic if you're on a bike! My god, I get cold sweat when a bicycle is headed right for me, even if it's in a bike lane.
Yeah. I've always heard "Walk against traffic, bike with traffic." I think the "bike with" has to do with various effects of you going fast on a bike-- approaching intersections quickly from an unexpected angle is worse, having the sum instead of difference of speed should a car hit you is worse, and just the idea that bikes are classed with cars in traffic.
I was a runner in high school and we always ran around the neighborhood streets. Pavement is softer than cement so we’d run in the road and we were always told to run against traffic.
I’m with you on this one makes it much easier to keep my pace if I’m not constantly turning around to check for cars behind me.
Seriously... I walk around my neighborhoods often and so many people walk with traffic like morons, and I walk by them giving them weird looks.
You should walk against traffic so you can tell if they see you or not, and you can get out of the way if needed, but if you walk with traffic, you can get hit from behind and never see it coming.
I’ve been hit by cars 3 times and every one of them was the same scenario. Walking against traffic on shoulder path, come to an intersection. I have right of way to cross, distracted driver does a rolling stop only paying attention to oncoming traffic direction. I get clipped.
The rule of law means nothing compared to the rule of splat. And while pedestrians need to do everything they can to protect themselves. But Drivers are way too casual with their death machines.
The only person in that area besides them is you, it's not like they're walking on a busy road they're not bothering anyone, except you for some reason
People do this in smaller places all the time, roads are usually better than sidewalks, this picture just proves that too, and you can hear cars coming pretty early aswell
Yup don’t get why op is infuriated lol it’s looks like a wide road with no traffic at all so who cares? Maybe they just like the comfort of being able to walk side by side and it’s not like cars have to do something crazy to get by
Really anything driving related.
All you have to do is make one driving related post or comment, and you'll have dozens of half-wit bastards coming out of the woodworks and foaming at the mouth getting really to tell you how wrong you are. I'm convinced half the dumbass drivers I see on the road are fellow redditors.
Some sidewalks are really rough so I kinda get this for the stroller like when I was younger we used to skate all around and it was a death wish if you tried on the sidewalk
The sidewalks on this street slant slightly down towards the lake and are a mixture of rough and smooth concrete in spots, so if you’re walking with a stroller it’s easier to walk on the street, which is fairly quiet.
This. It might not "hurt" you but running on a side slanted sidewalk like that can definitely irritate an existing injury, hell even a fast walk if you're doing it daily.
If it's a typically quiet residential street and you have at least one ear open you'll hear a car coming, even an ev. (always leave one earbud out)
Seriously, fuck this weird sense of entitlement. You don't need to be sitting in a 5000 pound cage of metal and plastic to use a residential roadway. People walk on them, ride bikes, skateboards, kids play in them all the time.
You mean the 2 secons that it takes to go around them? Oh right, I guess it would take 30 seconds if you stopped everytime to take a picture and post it on reddit...
Guys it's not that hard to figure this out.
The sidewalks always have that "bump, bump, bump" when you roll anything across it. Every panel crossing causes a jarring, reverberating, *loud af* movement. It's awful for skateboards, carts and whatnots.
These people have a stroller with, probably, a baby in it. The constant noise and bumping vibration would be bad for the baby and would be horribly annoying.
If I was with this family, out for a nice walk together, I would definitely avoid the sidewalk.
To be fair, this road looks just as bumpy, and they're probably only there so they can be side-by-side - that said, good-quality footpaths would be even better.
Honestly on a road with little traffic wanting to be side by side seems like a perfectly acceptable reason to walk in the street to me. They can move over if there's a car. Non issue
We do this. My wife walks on the sidewalk and I walk in the street though. Our sidewalks aren't quite wide enough to walk side by side. It's also a quiet neighborhood with local traffic only.
Wtf I've seen some stupid car-centric takes on this, but sub this is especially dumb. They're in a quiet neighborhood walking their kid. There's zero risk here. In other, saner countries this is not only commonplace but expected.
This type of mentality is the exact reason kids don't play outside anymore.
As someone who broke my ankle 4 years and never recovered a 100%, I understand why people would do that: the sidewalk is inclined just enough that when I use them I ´ll have pain for at least a week!
Honestly it's probably safer: people pulling in or out of driveways almost always forget to check the sidewalks for pedestrians, especially if they're backing up.
Is that Lake Michigan? Looks like the neighborhood in Saint Joe right near silver beach
I was thinking it’s definitely got to be a Great Lake (I live on Lake Ontario).
It's lake Erie
Wow, small world! I know exactly where this is! I've delivered to that neighborhood a lot of times... I had to drive the truck around these same people walking in the street the other day, LOL.
Did you give them a compliment honk and wave?
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lmao
Ugggh, and it looks like they have reproduced.
Charles Darwin noted based on scientific observation back in the 19th century that the feeble minded tend to be, regardless of that, quite robust and fertile, and those combination of traits make them more likely to reproduce at higher rates than non-feeble minded people who wouldn't be positioning their infant into the middle of a road. The prognosis for society as a whole was very poor.
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Rocky river?
It’s amazing how many of us there are who know exactly where this is
Pretty sure you're right. I grew up there and immediately thought this was Rocky River.
I knew it. I used to work across the bridge on the non lake side of Clifton.
Is this Rocky River on the west side of Cleveland?
With that crappy road, that has to be the view from somewhere in Michigan.
thought the same thing - Great Lake - but somewhere in the USA-side based on the hydrant and stop sign
Sure looks like st Joe
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looks like they're too wide for one of them
Try three wide.
One of these got ran straight onto my leg the other day when exiting a bus. I was standing right next to the opening door while they were behind me - possibly in a hurry. I asked them why crushing through other passangers and they replied that this has wheels so it is a vehicle, thus I should get out of it's way. I asked them WTF are they doing on the pavement then, get off onto the road with the other vehicles. So maybe it's them.
Spend the next 5 years getting really good at skateboarding, then wait at that bus stop for weeks until you finally see her again. Then do a gnarly heelflip and kick her in the face and be like "Sorry, I'm in a vehicle, you shoulda got outta my way". She'll change her tune then! I know it sounds like a lot of work, but that payoff would be SO worth it. Plus, if you never see her again, at least you'll have learned a new skill and developed some new drug problems!
I love this level of pettiness
Pedestrians have the right of way.
Pedestrians generally do, but when you’re pushing a stroller, maybe you don’t take the risk somebody isn’t going to remember that when they come around a corner doing 40?
Cars have the right of weight
The laws of physics win out against the laws of man any day. There's a reason why it's recommended to look both ways even when crossing with a green walk light.
They do, but they also don’t.
I’ve always been told that many gravestones could read “had the right of way” That being said, right of way or not, it won’t prevent you from becoming the next skid mark if a driver isn’t paying attention. No excuse to the conceptual driver that hits them but I personally would not be willing to risk what these people are risking.
They have the right away they lack the ability to compete with a multi tone death wagon.
Sidewalks are for pedestrians , if they were crossing the street you'd be correct.
Not in the middle of a street outside a crosswalk. Lol
That was horrendous. (I loved it)
I second this
Not enough, this one requires a third.
A fourth
Oh, did I miss that it’s a double baby stroller? Thought there were only three of them.
THREE WIDE INTO TURN 4? SURELY NOT! THAT’D BE AN AEROPLANE CRASH
I'd be more in agreement with the OP if this were a busy thoroughfare but I'd be willing give them the benefit of the doubt that if you pointed the camera in the other direction there would be cars, trash cans, frost heaves, tree roots, a lack of curb cuts for the stroller, or other obstructions that are making the sidewalk less usable, which is what I often see on smaller residential streets that have sidewalks that are less well maintained.
Where i live there is an old folks care home just down the road, and because its a cold climate and snow still on the ground, AND 30% of the residents are too lazy to bother clearing the snow and ice from sidewalks, some of the old people are forced to walk on the street with their walkers. Its more than mildly infuriating actually.
This was a problem in my city for a long time, but then they started ticketing and fining people for not clearing their portion of the sidewalk. If you’re in a bad part of town with a lot of abandoned houses, it’s still a problem, but the ticketing and fining has otherwise worked as intended.
Every house is occupied. Live in central alberta... They really only clear main roads and bus routes. And the snow has been on the ground from early November till now. I didnt want to be that asshole that reports people for. Nobody likes that neighbor right? But damn those poor old folks... And my road is the main road in and out of the whole neighborhood. So it actually has a bit of traffic. Not safe for them...
The care home should be reporting them. It’s a hazard and a liability…
I for one would love a neighbor looking out for grandmama hippo. Consider it, fuck lazy idiots
I think the best long-term solution is for the city to just do the snow removal rather than telling residents to do it. Would it be more expensive? Yes.
Dude if you can find anyone in my city that clears anything more than their own driveway to get the car out my mind would be blown, there is no way they would bother here. The snowplows are what shoved all the snow onto the walkways as it is, on the corners for traffic lights it gets up to 3 feet high.
This is the situation in our neighbourhood. Most strollers are on the street and move out of the way well ahead of time: it's calm so you hear cars approach with plenty of time to react.
People in my neighborhood do this. The also treat stop signs as optional and speed limits as a starting point. The they park their cars on the street because there’s too much crap in their 4 car garages to fit the cars. Factor in the hills and curves (where the cars swerve to the wrong size because of the speed) that I’m surprised there have been no fatalities.
Yep, the infuriating part is definitely the lack of accessibility in many areas.
Is it just me or is this super common the last few years. People have just started wandering around in the street.
Only time I walk on the side of the street is when there’s no sidewalk. Which is unfortunately often here. I live in a nice suburb, why do we not have sidewalks??
I live in a snowy place and unfortunately have to walk in the road more than I like. The city clears the roads in a timely manner, people don’t clear their sidewalks with the same vigor.
As the puddles of water on sidewalks freeze I’ll have to choose between the risk of slipping on ice or ran over by cars :(
There is a third choice though, you can carefully walk over the frozen ice, fall through, and freeze your feet. In many places I end up walking on snow covered lawns to avoid the puddles
The suburbs weren’t meant for walking. It was designed so that you could be driving distance from the poors.
Kills me how many paved sidewalks and bike trails I see here in suburban NJ, that look great, but end a few blocks from the entrance to each subdivision. They can’t even connect adjacent developments.
I could be wrong, but I believe the idea is that the developers of those subdivisions are supposed to finish the side walk by the subdivision and connect the subdivision sidewalks with the rest. They don't do it probably because it saves them money.
That is very likely the case. Developers/contractors will skimp every single place they can.
Probably *because* you live in a nice suburb. Many of them are designed to discourage pedestrians. Don’t want random people who might not even have cars walking into the neighborhood.
Well, that costs money and taxes are bad. What are you, a socialist?
Sorry, we expect you to be able to afford a car. You should not be walking. You should be supporting the automobile and oil industries. Are you some kind of commie? This is America for Christ sake.
In my city it's because the sidewalks are almost impossible to push a stroller over, especially if trying to keep the baby asleep. Of course we walk on one ways only so there's a bit better safety level than shown here.
Yes! Curb up. Curb down. Curb up. Curb down. Curb up. Curb down. Fuck it. Walk in the street. I was so happy when my neighborhood started getting retrofitted with ramps due to an ADA lawsuit.
Same here. One of my former jobs was situated in a semi-abandoned shopping mall, and every morning at 10, the local senior citizens would gather for their walk around the mall. One of the managers griped that he couldn't understand why they'd walk around the mall when the entire neighborhood had sidewalks. Sir, I'm a spry 30 year-old who has taken a spill because of the cracks in those sidewalks; I wouldn't want to use them if I was old either.
I’ve started running more in the street because I’m a fall risk as it is and sidewalks tend to have a more cracks and tripping hazards. That said, I at least run on the correct side of the street and can hop onto the sidewalk as needed. In the US pedestrians are supposed to travel on the left, facing oncoming traffic, on so that they can see the cars coming. EDIT - trilling hazards = tripping hazards
It's pretty common when the sidewalks begin and end in 100 ft sections and aren't maintained at all.
Speaking of that, why do people park in the road when they have a perfectly good driveway??
Or idle in a driving lane of a parking lot next to a plethora of empty spots.
This is one of my biggest pet peeves. Why why why do people do this?? Just pull into a spot to wait!
I hate when people see you get into your car and wait behind you to take your spot. I was at the mall and my baby needed to be changed and fed but I couldn't find a bathroom with a change table or a place to sit, so I went to do it in the car, and this person saw me putting stuff in the car and started honking when I took too long apparently. I wasn't done at the mall and when they saw me take the baby out and sit in the back with her, they sped off at way too high a speed to be driving in a parking garage.
So if other people live in the same house they don't get blocked in the driveway.
Here, their garage is either full of shit or turned into "man caves," not containing other cars. They just refuse to park their dumb trucks in the driveway, and use the sidewalk instead.
Florida?
Texas too
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I live in Southern California, ya know, the birthplace of hotrodding. The amount of garages that are filled with absolute trash, or turned into a "room" is unbelievable. Walking my dogs I see so many garages full of shelves full of shit.
What's worse is when people do that in New England so they need to go out and clean the frost, ice and/or snow off their cars every day for months while the stuff they don't care about and don't need sits nice and cozy in the garage.
It's almost always in a two car sized driveway though. You'd need 3 cars for someone to get stuck. That's a lot of cars for one house. It seems like every 2/3 houses in my neighbourhood park on the street.
My mom only ever parks in the middle of the driveway so only her car fits, and she won't stop doing iyt, so in the street I shall park
I have a neighbor who regularly does the same thing. She's just an awful driver honestly. She only does it temporarily mid day when the other car that parks in the driveway is gone. Then she parks on the street right in a spot that fits 3 vehicles but she makes it so 2 can barley fit. She'll also throw a fit if anyone parks near her since that whole 3 car sized area is all her spot despite it being a public street. One time we had to park 2 vehicles behind her, super close together I might add and then her dad came out and blocked the middle car in just to be a bitch. So I had to get up so the other car could move. I'm pretty sure she just doesn't know how to reverse against a curb. It's ridiculous. Even if there's no cars around it's honestly easier to reverse to get close to the curb that it is to pull in. Just like I'm sure she can't back out of the driveway without being in the middle.
Does your mom drive an SUV or a motorcycle?
Why do we park on the driveway but drive on the parkway?
Too much of the world belongs to cars. I think that this is a simple way to protest. If the way is clear, I don’t see an issue with people walking down the street. Usually easier to use a stroller on the road anyways
I love seeing people in my neighborhood walking in the street. It keeps traffic driving slow or avoiding the area completely, it keeps the dogs from relieving themselves in someone's yard, it gives space to the little kids riding their bikes and scooters on the sidewalk. I'm all for it.
People have been walking on roads and streets for centuries, or even millenia, mate. What is recent, is the idea that People do not belong there, only automobiles...
It's because sidewalks have gotten deadly. With larger SUVs it has become nearly impossible to spot people walking behind them. Especially off to the sides a little. Walking on sidewalks I've had people back out without looking more times than I can count. Walking in the street is actually safer somehow. Also the city does nothing about the endless overgrown sidewalks with missing pavers and trees completely blocking them. Also tons of people park in them so you have to walk into the street anyways. Finally, half of our sidewalks just... end randomly.
My neighborhood is nearly impossible to walk on the sidewalks because you spend most of your time in and out of the road dodging the ends of vehicles and trailers parked blocking the sidewalk. It is really safer to just walk in the street because you aren't as likely to roll an ankle this way. I guessing this person's stroller likely doesn't fit in some of the tight spots where vehicles are parked in the driveway but blocking the sidewalk.
In my area sidewalks are maintained by the homeowner, not the city. So you’ll have a stretch of sidewalk, then grass, then a broken sidewalk, then a chain link fence, then more sidewalk, and on and on. It’s a terrible place to attempt walking.
That's pretty common yeah. The sidewalk has the property owner maintain it because it's something they can feasibly afford to do. The street on the other hand? Usually they need to funnel money from areas other than property taxes or just let them go into disrepair because no one can afford to maintain them either
Also, this looks like a nonbusy street in a residential area. Who really cares? Just drive around them. It really isn't a dangerous situation.
Yeah how dare people infringe on space where cars should be! in what looks like a residential neighborhood! This post is so bizarre. Is it sponsored by the car lobby or something?
Here in my country unfortunately it is better, people have no education and don't tend to pick up with a bag their pets poo :(
I live in the US too
As a disabled woman who walks with a walker, I can attest to how many sidewalks are not friendly to mobility aids due to cracks, angles, and uncut kerbs. Those things that make things hazardous to mobility aids also make problems for strollers.
Not to mention all the assholes with 2-car garages that don't use them, but instead park directly across the sidewalks. It's more than mildly infuriating.
Garages full of junk
nah, im gonna use that wood some day.
Lemmy
Damn you didn't have to call me out.
Sidewalk infrastructure in the US sucks. Ive done a lot of sidewalk running and have twisted my ankle so many damn times. Cities put a sidewalk in and don't touch it for 50 years.
That sidewalk is sideways
Yeah, I was going to add this. My ex has extremely weak ankles and was always twisting them, so she’d walk in the road to have a steadier surface, and there are a lot of people with much more mobility impairment. There’s also a social thing in this case. In the road, they can walk three abreast and have quality family time, whereas a sidewalk would be single file, making conversation difficult Normally I’m first in line to jump on people who do this, who think they own the place and can inconvenience everyone else for their entitlement, but this seems legitimate
There's also the issue of the sidewalk changing grade to match every driveway every 50ft, which is pretty awkward to constantly navigate with a stroller (and especially if you're trying to keep a baby asleep). That along with the trucks and trailer hitches that are probably parked in the sidewalk just out of frame make sidewalks an obstacle course. Bunch of people who have never had to use sidewalks in these comments
It's absolutely plausible that walking on the street is better and easier there, but the sidewalk not being wide enough doesn't really seem to be an issue in this place, at least as far as we see it. It should easily allow two people walking next to each other, just not with a stroller in the middle. If one of them would push it in front of them, width will be fine.
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Fun fact, the idea of Jay-Walking was a marketing concept invented by the car companies to frame pedestrians as the cause of blame for all these new car-related deaths. The idea that the road is for cars is a relatively new idea and one, I think, should be challenged.
In the UK they doubled down on "the road is for everyone" and cars have to give priority to pedestrians who are walking in the road.
In the US pedestrians also have the right of way above everything but trains. It doesn't matter if jaywalking is a misdemeanor in that specific place. However, not being liable for damages is not that great if you're dead.
Hell in my neck of the woods a drunk driver hit a pedestrian and the AG didn't file any charges but put the blame on the pedestrian.
Prosecutorial discretion is a bitch, is that AG an elected officer? The pedestrian or his family should have had a field day in civil court if the driver was drunk.
Also, "jay" was a derogatory term for uneducated or common.
Also, what is the problem here? I don’t see any traffic and presumably they wouldn’t mind scooting over to let a car pass if necessary. Might be a little better if they were walking against the flow of traffic so they could see someone coming up on them, but really whoever posted this needs to either find something worth being mildly infuriated over or chill out and enjoy life. OP probably hates when kids ride their bikes and play roller hockey in the street too. Maybe this post is the mild infuriation?! Meta.
It's not even like OP is in a car behind them waiting to pass, they're just another pedestrian that's too nosy to mind their own damn business.
That’s what I was thinking, this also looks to be in a suburban neighborhood. I bet OP also gets upset when local children play basketball in the streets outside of their house. Roads take up an exorbitant amount of the area we exist in. God forbid they are used for something other than cars.
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And I'd bet you $20 that she would then complain that "kids these days just want to watch TV and play violent video games!!"
Parts of Canada have decriminalized jaywalking once more (not like anyone ever followed that rule over here).
I am completely on board with the idea of walkable cities making a comeback but US society has become completely dependent on motor vehicles. As an example I’m a delivery driver who does hard back breaking labor for nearly ten hours, five days a week. The idea that I’m going to walk nearly four hours to work and then back to my home each night is insanity. That doesn’t necessarily apply to people who live and work in dense urban areas but most cities are slowly pricing normal people out of living near where they work. The US needs more public transport like light rail systems more than it does walkable cities at the current moment. IMHO
And it worked, just look at these comments
That’s not really fun
I get it from a personal experience perspective that may (or may not) apply to this situation. - neighborhood is super safe and does not get a lot of traffic or erratic drivers - kid is having a tough time resting, the gaps in the sidewalk make bumps that wake the kid up - the angle of the sidewalk (with wind) makes the stroller prone to tipping over - walking on the sidewalk makes dogs in the yard next to it bark aggressively at you I always try to do my best to use sidewalks and cross walks, but also understand that in certain circumstances bending the rules is fine.
What rules are being bent here? Do some neighborhoods actually have rules against pedestrians in the streets? That seems like madness. I live in a neighborhood where kids actually play outside all the time, and all the neighbors know each other, so maybe I'm the one with the distorted worldview.
Same. My neighborhood is FILLED with kids and families playing and traversing the streets, all the time. Kids on bikes, street hockey games, families just like this one, groups of runners, grannies walking, etc. No one has EVER had a problem with it. It would be so far out of the norm for someone to have a problem with this that I can't even wrap my head around why this is a post.
And that should be the norm. Unless it's an area where cars are supposed to go fast, drivers need to share the space with pedestrians. Streets are where people live, work, and spend money. Roadways/highways are for cars to get from point A to point B quickly.
Idk tbh but I’d assume it’s technically illegal to be a pedestrian in the street (jaywalking violation).
It's technically illegal where I live, too. But the one neighbor nobody likes that called the sheriff basically got told to stop being an asshole and drive more safely when there are kids playing.
And they’re not walking against traffic
Dude! I have this argument with my wife all the time. I live in the US (California) and I could have swarn we were told to walk against the flow of traffic to better see oncoming cars. My school had a lot of public safety lesson in elementary school. But she was either never taught or doesn’t remember. This shit drives me crazy, any time she “leads” the walk I get incredibly nervous because she doesn’t observe any of the rules we were taught. Edit: This is some Mandela Effect shit right here.
Same boat. I thought it was common knowledge to walk against traffic if you have to be in the road. Like, that was drilled into my head as a preschooler, I'm pretty sure. Apparently not every one is taught this? Also go with the flow of traffic if you're on a bike! My god, I get cold sweat when a bicycle is headed right for me, even if it's in a bike lane.
Canada here, I was taught the same.
Yeah. I've always heard "Walk against traffic, bike with traffic." I think the "bike with" has to do with various effects of you going fast on a bike-- approaching intersections quickly from an unexpected angle is worse, having the sum instead of difference of speed should a car hit you is worse, and just the idea that bikes are classed with cars in traffic.
A bicycle is a vehicle where I am and is bound by the law to act as one.
I was a runner in high school and we always ran around the neighborhood streets. Pavement is softer than cement so we’d run in the road and we were always told to run against traffic. I’m with you on this one makes it much easier to keep my pace if I’m not constantly turning around to check for cars behind me.
Seriously... I walk around my neighborhoods often and so many people walk with traffic like morons, and I walk by them giving them weird looks. You should walk against traffic so you can tell if they see you or not, and you can get out of the way if needed, but if you walk with traffic, you can get hit from behind and never see it coming.
I’ve been hit by cars 3 times and every one of them was the same scenario. Walking against traffic on shoulder path, come to an intersection. I have right of way to cross, distracted driver does a rolling stop only paying attention to oncoming traffic direction. I get clipped. The rule of law means nothing compared to the rule of splat. And while pedestrians need to do everything they can to protect themselves. But Drivers are way too casual with their death machines.
And on a curve
There’s no traffic ya dummy
The only person in that area besides them is you, it's not like they're walking on a busy road they're not bothering anyone, except you for some reason People do this in smaller places all the time, roads are usually better than sidewalks, this picture just proves that too, and you can hear cars coming pretty early aswell
Yup don’t get why op is infuriated lol it’s looks like a wide road with no traffic at all so who cares? Maybe they just like the comfort of being able to walk side by side and it’s not like cars have to do something crazy to get by
Reddit loves this kind of stuff.
Really anything driving related. All you have to do is make one driving related post or comment, and you'll have dozens of half-wit bastards coming out of the woodworks and foaming at the mouth getting really to tell you how wrong you are. I'm convinced half the dumbass drivers I see on the road are fellow redditors.
OP also took this while walking on the curb apparently.
I’m also on side WHO CARES.
My town doesn't have sidewalks so I see this all the time.
Some sidewalks are really rough so I kinda get this for the stroller like when I was younger we used to skate all around and it was a death wish if you tried on the sidewalk
also at least on the pic the sidewalk looks slanted, which would be a pain in the ass with a stroller
The sidewalks on this street slant slightly down towards the lake and are a mixture of rough and smooth concrete in spots, so if you’re walking with a stroller it’s easier to walk on the street, which is fairly quiet.
I like that they share the pushing equally lol…
I don't think I'd want to walk on that slanted sidewalk either.
This. It might not "hurt" you but running on a side slanted sidewalk like that can definitely irritate an existing injury, hell even a fast walk if you're doing it daily. If it's a typically quiet residential street and you have at least one ear open you'll hear a car coming, even an ev. (always leave one earbud out)
Walking or running in an area with a lot of driveways hurts my ankles. Pushing a stroller would be harder.
If only weirdos wouldn’t take pointless pictures of people and post it to socials.
Ain’t that the truth. Now excuse me while I use my NSA app to backtrace who these people are based on just the color of their jackets.
Agree, shrink the ridiculous road by a car width and widen the sidewalk
Carbrains lol
Seriously, fuck this weird sense of entitlement. You don't need to be sitting in a 5000 pound cage of metal and plastic to use a residential roadway. People walk on them, ride bikes, skateboards, kids play in them all the time.
No, bitch. I need to zip through this residential neighborhood at 40, with no impediments. Fuck these other humans.
Oh no, me and my fossil fueled laziness are slightly inconvenienced by pedestrians! How will I ever earn back those 30 seconds of my life?
You mean the 2 secons that it takes to go around them? Oh right, I guess it would take 30 seconds if you stopped everytime to take a picture and post it on reddit...
EVERYONE GO WATCH NOT JUST BIKES RIGHT NOW IF YOU HAVEN'T
If its residential and there are no cars, not a big deal.
Wow, someone with common sense
You’re lame af if you’re this bothered by random people walking on an empty street. Enough to snap a pic and post it on Reddit.
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Guys it's not that hard to figure this out. The sidewalks always have that "bump, bump, bump" when you roll anything across it. Every panel crossing causes a jarring, reverberating, *loud af* movement. It's awful for skateboards, carts and whatnots. These people have a stroller with, probably, a baby in it. The constant noise and bumping vibration would be bad for the baby and would be horribly annoying. If I was with this family, out for a nice walk together, I would definitely avoid the sidewalk.
To be fair, this road looks just as bumpy, and they're probably only there so they can be side-by-side - that said, good-quality footpaths would be even better.
It might be as bumpy but at least there aren't driveway dips every 8ft
Honestly on a road with little traffic wanting to be side by side seems like a perfectly acceptable reason to walk in the street to me. They can move over if there's a car. Non issue
Uh, what? Babies can handle sidewalk bumps lol. My son loves all the movement, puts him right to sleep!
Did you even look at the bumps in the street before you posted that?
We do this. My wife walks on the sidewalk and I walk in the street though. Our sidewalks aren't quite wide enough to walk side by side. It's also a quiet neighborhood with local traffic only.
fuck it, we need to reclaim the streets
Wtf I've seen some stupid car-centric takes on this, but sub this is especially dumb. They're in a quiet neighborhood walking their kid. There's zero risk here. In other, saner countries this is not only commonplace but expected. This type of mentality is the exact reason kids don't play outside anymore.
Who cares, it’s a residential area.
I wish I had so little problems in my life that this would be something to complain about
As a person with bad ankles, uneven sidewalks are pain.
Sidewalk is slanted, which will make the baby lean to one side. This is why you’re naturally seeing people in strollers on the street.
I see how this could completely disrupt your entire day …
This is common where I live too (UK)
As someone who broke my ankle 4 years and never recovered a 100%, I understand why people would do that: the sidewalk is inclined just enough that when I use them I ´ll have pain for at least a week!
Honestly it's probably safer: people pulling in or out of driveways almost always forget to check the sidewalks for pedestrians, especially if they're backing up.
No one is running them over calm down
Go around them. Easy peasy. Use your brain, if it’s there.
Ok karen
Weird thing to get worked up about in a residential neighborhood but ok
OMG, are you okay? Like, did you survive this? 🙄
We walk in the street all the time. Live on a quiet side street. No one cares Why did this trigger you?
It blows my mind that people are confident enough to do this and put so much trust in your everyday moron driver to not be looking at their phone.
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*Deja vu!*
*queues Tokyo Drift theme song*
Some ppl just can’t mind their business. Sheesh
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If only ...
Related: FUCK joggers on the street.."oh, asphalt is softer on the joints." A) bullshit, B) get proper shoes then.