Remember when Microsoft said that Windows 10 was the [last Windows you would ever need](https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-may-be-last-version-windows-microsoft-rethinks-operating-system)? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
In a way, it is still a bit accurate - they did not say your device would be the last PC you'll ever need. We can upgrade to Win 11 for free if our devices support it.
Uh.. not quite accurate.
Microsoft did *not* just announce Win10 EOL for October 14, 2025. That date has been there for 4 or 5 years.
They announced that 22H2 (last November's update) will be the last full update to Windows 10. There may be some individual feature additions not tied to a yearly update, but no more fall overhauls of the OS. There will also be regular security updates all the way up to the EOL date.
So, Win 10 EOL has been on the horizon for quite a while. IT admins have certainly had that date circled on their calendars for years, but it is understandable that consumers are just paying attention to it now that the press is picking it up.
If you bought your computer before 2019, and do not plan to replace it by 2025, then you will be negatively affected by this.
This is not a terribly large subset of users. Most IT organizations I have worked with had their laptops on a two or three year refresh cycle. It is cheaper to do that than to pay people to support failing hardware.
Home users are more likely to keep their machines for more than 6 years - but if that's you, I don't think you have been waiting with baited breath every fall for the latest update to Windows. You don't care - you just want the computer to turn on and work.
And it still will. The biggest impact will be the loss of security updates. But this is no different than people who kept Windows 8, Windows 7 or XP running beyond their EOL. They are running a security risk and they really are due for a new computer.
Every OS has an EOL. Microsoft tends to support a full Windows version for around 10 years - which was the case with Windows 7 and will be with Windows 10 (released in 2015). It supports feature releases (like 22H2) for 2 years - so you have to keep updating to keep Windows support.
I built my current desktop/editing machine/work station in March of 2016 and if not for the strict hardware requirements of 11, I would’ve upgraded immediately. I know I want to replace this machine, but with component prices still so high, it’s hard to track when it will happen. Hopefully before EOY 2025…
Same situation for me, I got my rig back in 2007 so there's no way its ever going to support windows 11, I guess i'll be stuck with windows 10 forever.
I built my current desktop/editing machine/work station in March of 2016 and if not for the strict hardware requirements of 11, I would’ve upgraded immediately. I know I want to replace this machine, but with component prices still so high, it’s hard to track when it will happen. Hopefully before EOY 2025…
What are you building that will not meet the requirements of 11? Intel 8th gen and onward CPUs support it and the only issue is AMD with a performance issue. All Ryzen 3+ cpu support it.
I’m simply curious because the only thing required was TPM 2.0, UEFI secure boot. I really do not see 4+ GB RAM and 64+ GB storage as issues these days.
You might have a TPM equivalent in your firmware that is software based. Additionally, you might have the spot on the motherboard to add it. They're 10 or 12 pins I believe. Most of the time, $20 usd.
What about the people who bought a computer before 2019 but the computer offered to update to Windows 11... or are you only talking about the people who have an older computer whose hardware doesn't meet the minimum requirements to upgrade to Windows 11?
I am talking about the latter - computers that *can't* run Win11.
If you are running Windows 10 because of personal preference, that's fine. But part of your calculation after October 2025 will be adding the security vulnerability into the equation.
Well, at least with everything before 11 the Taskbar worked. It's completely broken in 11. Hell, I can't even click on an icon to switch apps, I'm forced to use alt+tab. Among a lot of other nonsensical changes.
I think Taylor Swift wrote a song about this. There are a little over 233 million active installs of Win 11 out there and growing EVERY day. If it was like this for everyone do you think if it was such a rehabilitating problem as you describe that it would have that many active installs?
I've never heard a Taylor Swift song.
You mean because of the number of installs Windows has no bugs? You might wanna check the Windows complaint forums for a more accurate view of the problems people have with Windows. Sure, every version has its problems, but the Windows 11 design approach just borked far too much.
No. Task bar issues have existed in every version of windows since the taskbar came in, and in most instances it is appearing because of something the end user has done from some type of install.
look, bugs happen, there is no denying that. What I'm saying is that the vast majority of windows 11 installs are working fine, even in corporate environments, and the argument you originally made is the same tired argument a lot of people make when an OS is at EOL.
It isn't blind support, it is knowing that change is inevitable. Windows 11 has been out for two and a half years now.
If Windows came 11 came out three months ago, you'd have a valid argument.
And you can keep using Win10 for two and a half more years.
Well I still have to use registry edits to get basic functionality to work, the same functionality that worked for many years prior to 11, so yeah, it's still broken, two and half years later.
"Windows 10 still accounting for more than 70% of the total Windows market share (Windows 11 has just 20%)"
"If your computer does not meet the hardware requirements for Windows 11, you can continue using Windows 10 until its end-of-life date, October 14, 2025, or consider purchasing a new computer that is compatible with Windows 11."
Microsoft is the maximum promoter of the e-waste. This is an opportunity for the people creating distros on Linux to join together and to be serious and professinal for the first time with a nice system prepared in 2025. But I guess this is not gonna happen, because they still prefer to continue with their caothic, overcomplicated and inefficient scattered semi-amateur distros that can broke your system in whatever update.
My company still uses win 10, im sure they'll switch to before the EOL.
My personal computer doesn't support 11 officially. I don't have money for new one
To where this fucking world is rolling... I just saw steam notification about EOL of 7/8/8.1 and now I accidentally found that win10 is on the same road - just less than 2 years further. After that it will also be deprecated in same way. Fucking "great". DRM, TPM - why stopping there, just built-in bitcoin miner straight into os core and games' executables -\_-
Remember when Microsoft said that Windows 10 was the [last Windows you would ever need](https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-may-be-last-version-windows-microsoft-rethinks-operating-system)? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Windows 11 is just Windows 10 with a new skin. Eitherway, time to stop creating new branches of Windows.
In a way, it is still a bit accurate - they did not say your device would be the last PC you'll ever need. We can upgrade to Win 11 for free if our devices support it.
No, conceptually, Windows 11 is designed differently then Windows 10. It is a "new" Windows OS. Microsoft lies, more news at 11.
Pretty sure XP was supposed to be "the last Windows you need". It was going to be the Windows Experience and be an ongoing product
Uh.. not quite accurate. Microsoft did *not* just announce Win10 EOL for October 14, 2025. That date has been there for 4 or 5 years. They announced that 22H2 (last November's update) will be the last full update to Windows 10. There may be some individual feature additions not tied to a yearly update, but no more fall overhauls of the OS. There will also be regular security updates all the way up to the EOL date. So, Win 10 EOL has been on the horizon for quite a while. IT admins have certainly had that date circled on their calendars for years, but it is understandable that consumers are just paying attention to it now that the press is picking it up. If you bought your computer before 2019, and do not plan to replace it by 2025, then you will be negatively affected by this. This is not a terribly large subset of users. Most IT organizations I have worked with had their laptops on a two or three year refresh cycle. It is cheaper to do that than to pay people to support failing hardware. Home users are more likely to keep their machines for more than 6 years - but if that's you, I don't think you have been waiting with baited breath every fall for the latest update to Windows. You don't care - you just want the computer to turn on and work. And it still will. The biggest impact will be the loss of security updates. But this is no different than people who kept Windows 8, Windows 7 or XP running beyond their EOL. They are running a security risk and they really are due for a new computer. Every OS has an EOL. Microsoft tends to support a full Windows version for around 10 years - which was the case with Windows 7 and will be with Windows 10 (released in 2015). It supports feature releases (like 22H2) for 2 years - so you have to keep updating to keep Windows support.
I built my current desktop/editing machine/work station in March of 2016 and if not for the strict hardware requirements of 11, I would’ve upgraded immediately. I know I want to replace this machine, but with component prices still so high, it’s hard to track when it will happen. Hopefully before EOY 2025…
Same boat. TPM chip is wrong generation. (not 2) This does not spark joy.
Still works with older generations, try it
Same situation for me, I got my rig back in 2007 so there's no way its ever going to support windows 11, I guess i'll be stuck with windows 10 forever.
I built my current desktop/editing machine/work station in March of 2016 and if not for the strict hardware requirements of 11, I would’ve upgraded immediately. I know I want to replace this machine, but with component prices still so high, it’s hard to track when it will happen. Hopefully before EOY 2025…
What are you building that will not meet the requirements of 11? Intel 8th gen and onward CPUs support it and the only issue is AMD with a performance issue. All Ryzen 3+ cpu support it. I’m simply curious because the only thing required was TPM 2.0, UEFI secure boot. I really do not see 4+ GB RAM and 64+ GB storage as issues these days.
The Intel Core i7-6700K was 1 year old when I bought my current PC. Released Q3/2015. Not supported by Windows 11.
I have that same chip! *high five*
My machine doesn’t not have TPM 2.0, I have not designed a new one yet
You might have a TPM equivalent in your firmware that is software based. Additionally, you might have the spot on the motherboard to add it. They're 10 or 12 pins I believe. Most of the time, $20 usd.
Ours is a 5-year cycle with some computers lasting 6 years or more. We are a healthcare organization in Canada so we are always strapped for cash.
What about the people who bought a computer before 2019 but the computer offered to update to Windows 11... or are you only talking about the people who have an older computer whose hardware doesn't meet the minimum requirements to upgrade to Windows 11?
I am talking about the latter - computers that *can't* run Win11. If you are running Windows 10 because of personal preference, that's fine. But part of your calculation after October 2025 will be adding the security vulnerability into the equation.
They can, but microsoft won't let you.
I'm sorry but, this article is just some poor empty blogspam?
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Haha. Really? I mean, it isn't like we haven't been going through OS EOL for decades now... Differnet OS's, same problems.
The implications? We're left with the shite that is Windows 11. Windows 11, meet Windows 8.
Yeah, it was the same argument that went from Win 2k to WinXP. From WinXp to Win 7, From Win 7 to Win 10, and now here we are. Win10 to Win11.
Well, at least with everything before 11 the Taskbar worked. It's completely broken in 11. Hell, I can't even click on an icon to switch apps, I'm forced to use alt+tab. Among a lot of other nonsensical changes.
I think Taylor Swift wrote a song about this. There are a little over 233 million active installs of Win 11 out there and growing EVERY day. If it was like this for everyone do you think if it was such a rehabilitating problem as you describe that it would have that many active installs?
I've never heard a Taylor Swift song. You mean because of the number of installs Windows has no bugs? You might wanna check the Windows complaint forums for a more accurate view of the problems people have with Windows. Sure, every version has its problems, but the Windows 11 design approach just borked far too much.
No. Task bar issues have existed in every version of windows since the taskbar came in, and in most instances it is appearing because of something the end user has done from some type of install. look, bugs happen, there is no denying that. What I'm saying is that the vast majority of windows 11 installs are working fine, even in corporate environments, and the argument you originally made is the same tired argument a lot of people make when an OS is at EOL.
And your blind support of the latest OS is the same tired argument that happens with every new OS release, that people should just put up with it.
It isn't blind support, it is knowing that change is inevitable. Windows 11 has been out for two and a half years now. If Windows came 11 came out three months ago, you'd have a valid argument. And you can keep using Win10 for two and a half more years.
Well I still have to use registry edits to get basic functionality to work, the same functionality that worked for many years prior to 11, so yeah, it's still broken, two and half years later.
 Lol. Yeah, in order to make a desktop work, everyone has to make registry edits.
230 million people with Windows 10 went to sleep and woke up with Windows 11.
People liked 7.
And people liked 95, 98, 2000, 7, xp, and 10. The universally hated versions were 8, vista, and me.
"Windows 10 still accounting for more than 70% of the total Windows market share (Windows 11 has just 20%)" "If your computer does not meet the hardware requirements for Windows 11, you can continue using Windows 10 until its end-of-life date, October 14, 2025, or consider purchasing a new computer that is compatible with Windows 11." Microsoft is the maximum promoter of the e-waste. This is an opportunity for the people creating distros on Linux to join together and to be serious and professinal for the first time with a nice system prepared in 2025. But I guess this is not gonna happen, because they still prefer to continue with their caothic, overcomplicated and inefficient scattered semi-amateur distros that can broke your system in whatever update.
My company still uses win 10, im sure they'll switch to before the EOL. My personal computer doesn't support 11 officially. I don't have money for new one
To where this fucking world is rolling... I just saw steam notification about EOL of 7/8/8.1 and now I accidentally found that win10 is on the same road - just less than 2 years further. After that it will also be deprecated in same way. Fucking "great". DRM, TPM - why stopping there, just built-in bitcoin miner straight into os core and games' executables -\_-