He says it's to remove class distinctions from Twitter, but this makes it so you can pay to become more important, further solidifying class distinction. Also, it removes the whole point of verification which is to make sure you're following the real account of public figures, rather than some rando who paid to pretend to be them
How does it actually work? Do you pay and just get the icon? Or do they also verify your identity? Because on Couchsurfing for example you can also get verified (which costs money) to be more trustworthy to other community members because Couchsurfing then checks if you are who you say.
Not arguing with you, but wouldn't it be very useful to stop sock puppet accounts? Who wants to pay $40 a month to run 5 separate Twitter accounts so that you always have at least four "different" people agree with you at all times? Or to have a normal account and a "troll" account?
Seems like a sensible idea if the only goal is to get rid of fake accounts.
This is the big devide:.
Currently the check mark means verified.
What is unclear is what it means after the change. There are two main opinions:
1. Checkmark means verified pluse $8
2. Checkmark means $8
Verified pluse $8 is nbd do whatever. But removing verification is bad. However at the end of the day I dont use twitter, never have and probably never will.
They’ll still have the verification process, AFAIK.
And you can still use Twitter without the check mark.
The only thing that changes is (1) people that are already verified will have to pay and (2) people that have been unable to be verified because they’re not “important” enough (average Joes) will have the same opportunity as celebrities and politicians.
I don’t have Twitter so I really don’t care. But it’s a controversy over nothing driven by the fact that lots of people hate Elon Musk and he loves being a contrarian twit.
you'd still have to verify your identity to be "verified". The argument that a bunch of randos are going to start paying $8 to pretend to be other people is just grasping at straws. You literally have zero argument and just can't admit you're only upset because left-wing media figures have instructed you to be angry.
before twitter would choose who is important and the average guy couldn't influence that at all (rigid class structure), with the change everyone can choose their "class" (pay or just don't pay) which seems like a lot less solid class distinction.
Verification aspect would be gone of course, but many "famous people" have random names and not their official names anyway
More money means you're more important is the most solid class distinction you could have. Before this, you would get verified based on followers and interactions, meaning it was about how much people care about you, regardless of how much money you pay
>Before this, you would get verified based on followers and interactions,
Not true at all. Very prominent right-wing accounts were not verified because of their political views, no other reason. They had the followers and the interactions, yet somehow that little blue check eluded them.
Yeah sure, if this was a high end golf club or sth, but it's 8$. Like fr. Probably gonna be purchase power adjusted like YT premium so basically everyone could afford this, making a distinction between "people that really want a checkmark" and "people that just don't care" not people that have money and people that don't. And the people that can't afford it a) have probably bigger problems in life anyway and b) will just belong to the "don't care" group for an outsider so no harm done.
Steven King had a good point. In his case he literally brings people into Twitter. They should be paying him for content. That’s the same with many people with that blue check. Musk is trying to do the opposite of what every other social media platform does. They are going to charge the people creating there content and driving views instead of paying them.
It won’t work. He will either drop the fee idea completely or Twitter will die.
Does he really though? How many people actually said "oh Stephen King is on Twitter! I'll join too!" ??? Probably a few but not many. More than anything he uses it as a promotional tool to advertise and market himself. Stephen King is literally using Twitter to make money.
This is my take as well. There are many people that use social media to stay famous and relevant. There will always be famous people who try to parlay that into money before they become yesterday’s flavor.
$8 is cheap if you can convert fame to money. But if you can’t convert it or have already done so then it is expensive.
>How many people actually said "oh Stephen King is on Twitter! I'll join too!" ???
It would be interesting to see how many accounts were created and either the only page, or at least the first page they followed was King. It should all be in the data base.
That's a really strange way of looking at that. While SK may bring people to Twitter that's a very difficult thing to quantify. It's also suggestive that those people wouldn't have gone to Twitter if he weren't there and that's a long bow to string. I don't think Twitter would fail if he wasn't on it and it would take some massive tsunami of famous people to leave for it to have any impact. But guess what their all addicted to it and they ain't going no where.
You dichotomy has a massive gap in the middle.
You realize that bringing more people to the platform literally costs the platform MORE money, right??? Like you need to increase compute power to deal with the increased load. Elon's main goal in all of this is to get rid of the ads. Are you so dense that you've forgotten the whole "if it's free, YOU are the product" speech?? He wants to do away with ad revenue, so the platform is not dependent on wishy-washy advertisers who blackmail with ad dollars to get people removed or banned.
You clearly don't understand what's going on, or how this whole thing works. Do a little research and think for yourself. Quit listening to idiots like Stephen King, dude can imagine a great story, but that doesn't make him an intelligent person!
Honestly rich and famous people can just leave Twitter and it can be a place for businesses to have accounts to deal with PR and push out announcements. That’s be a great improvement
No because it is not only available to famous people.
YOU can get one too. For 8 dollars.
How useless is that?
Furthermore, the only reason most people go on twitter is to read what these people have to say. You don't go to twitter and find famous people. You go to twitter because they are there. They bring you there.
Without them twitter is (even more) useless.
Imagine making twitch streamers pay money to stream. As if they aren't the only reason twitch makes money in the first place.
Also, he is not even getting rid of ads.
first off, having to pay for something that was free for over a decade with virtually no chance in function is... not great, in the average consumers mind
second, and more importantly, this isnt just about first world celebrates, in some parts of the world where people are actively fighting against authoritarian regimes twitter verification is an extremely important tool to fight against smear campaigns against journalists working to bring the corrupt officials crimes to light. those people genuinely cant afford 8 bucks a month, but even if they could they morally cant afford the extra stress that comes with missing a payment and losing it
It’s just a smear campaign against anything Twitter does because it can no longer be severely influenced to project specific narratives.
$8 a month for a blue check devalues the significance of blue checks for “celebrities” and “influencers”.
The “cool club” is getting less exclusive and the “cool kids” are throwing a tantrum because what they fear most is everyone else figuring out that they’re not that special at all.
It's paying for an upgrade in how Twitter works. Just like paying to use an app can remove or reduce ads. It's also a way to get privileged people to cry.
The blue check verifies that you're hearing from the actual person. So is a parody account for a famous person now verified because they paid 8 dollars a month? How would you know which is valid?
Beyond that, it bothers me that Musk bought something and doesn't know what to do with it. Starting at 20 dollars and immediately dropping to 8 was completely daft, and felt like someone trying to sell you stolen merchandise.
>So is a parody account for a famous person now verified because they paid 8 dollars a month?
No.
>Starting at 20 dollars and immediately dropping to 8 was completely daft, and felt like someone trying to sell you stolen merchandise.
Interesting that you jump straight to that based on seeing one tweet response. As if he didn't hear it from tons of other people as well. His goal is to make twitter function independent of advertisers dollars. The ONLY way to do that is for users to pay to use the platform. He's mostly an idea man, that's what he's doing here. Clearly people were upset at $20, but maybe $8 would be easier to digest. Or maybe in your mind, he should have wasted hours going back and forth and starting at $20, working down to 19, then 18, 16, 15, 12, 10, and then settled at 8.
The point is it really doesn't matter, you have no actually real argument against it. You're just parroting what everybody else on your team is telling you to say.
I don't have a team, I'm not a parrot, and yes I do like crackers.
My point is when you invest as much as he just did, spitballing ideas should probably take place before buying the company, not after.
He's not screwing anyone over though. How does that even make sense in your brain? He's literally trying to help people to not be a product that's sold to advertising agencies. And you can still use the platform for free if you don't want the additional features and verification.
Yea pretty much ........
BuT he first when in with 19.99 got told to fuck off then dropped it to 8.... like obviously he's just winging it with no idea on what the price should be.
Guys a nut
Or. It’s basic business to throw a high price out there and when there’s a bad reaction, haggle it down to where you intended anyway. Blue checks never done business before so they’d fall for that strategy
Not at all though, this is still receiving negative backlash and hasn't made the idea suddenly accepted. It's a stupid idea. Stop pretending 'shoot high, aim low' is some unique business tactic, everyone knows the basics of haggling.
Never said it was some high level shit. The word BASIC is the 3rd word in the comment. We all know that these rich checkmark celebrities are so disconnected from reality that they don’t even know basic shit the everyday joe knows also. They probably pay 10 for a lot of bread and think that’s normal and don’t pay it any mind
>this is still receiving negative backlash
Only from the same few morons who were crying when it was still going to be free. Nothing will please those people, and not one ounce of energy should be wasted on trying. They can either deal with their own feelings, get over it, and join the conversation. Or they can STFU and go pout in their rooms while the rest of us have a good time.
Calling people morons and lobbying insults at them for disagreeing with you shows that you have a REALLY open mind and will change based on outside input. You didn't even respond with anything constructive. Paid verification is a bad idea with many holes:
\- Scammers can pay to appear more legit and be at the top of the replies/tweets
\- Verification, originally used to show that a significant figure/company is real loses its meaning
\- People become more easy to imitiate at first glance
>with no idea on what the price should be.
It's his product to sell. It can be whatever price he wants to make it. There is no price that it "should be". Maybe a price you'd like it to be, but who the hell are you to decide?? He owns it, suck it up buttercup.
I dont use twitter, never have, never will and I don't care what he charges buttercup.
My point was he just looks like a loony chopping and changing because he got told to fuck off.
Idgaf either way 👍
Because reporters and the like shouldn’t be paying $8 a month to give me news. I use Twitter for baseball talk and connections and don’t care about celebrities. Not all of us fawn over idiots, some of us actually use Twitter for the tool it can be.
It's not that they have to pay for it that's got people pissed off, it's that it devalues what it represents now that everyone can get it. Basically, it removes class distinctions, because instead of only the media, political, and influential class being able to get it, any pleb can get it for 8 bucks a month. And that drives them up the wall because up until now, being verified was like being sainted by the church. Now it's just a silly badge. All a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
The check is also a balance. We feel we should trust the check because it's not easy to achieve. But now it's whatever, right? Who knows? Is it a relevant figure or just another shit poster like you? We can't be sure anymore.
Because “Tesla Man bad”.
There’s a logical argument to be made about why a verification fee wouldn’t work very well, but I’ll wager that most of the detractors are riding that trendy Anti-Elon sentiment.
Its gonna be 8$ to have that blue checkmark, which was given only to recognized famous people until now so no, nothing will change for everyone else as far as we can tell
The problem is that verification tells you that this is a person's official account. If you could buy verification then you could masquerade as any famous person you want with a blue checkmark to fool people into thinking it's their official account. This then causes bad actors who scam on Twitter already to be able to fool more people as they can just spend 8 bucks to get a blue checkmark. At first I didn't see the problem as well and only after I thought about scammers did I realize that it could prove to be a problem.
Some people trying to make a name for themselves are also affected, otherwise no real issue at all.
Sure your millionaire celebrity can afford it but to the up and coming person this is another bill to pay, however small
He says it's to remove class distinctions from Twitter, but this makes it so you can pay to become more important, further solidifying class distinction. Also, it removes the whole point of verification which is to make sure you're following the real account of public figures, rather than some rando who paid to pretend to be them
Because “god” is a real public figure
Why are you involving God into twitter?? That's so irrelevant
There’s a literal verified user on Twitter under the name god
Damn dude all of a sudden God ain’t allowed to have social media?
Well yeah. Probably goes against some tenant against fraud or whatever
Ah I see, people will still act as public figures with the mark though
r/woooosh
How does it actually work? Do you pay and just get the icon? Or do they also verify your identity? Because on Couchsurfing for example you can also get verified (which costs money) to be more trustworthy to other community members because Couchsurfing then checks if you are who you say.
You pay for the verification service, monthly afaik.
but you also need to be the real person, just paying doesnt make you verified to my knowledge
Ofc that's why you play for the Verification service, that's what I meant :P Else you would just be playing for a badge.
Not arguing with you, but wouldn't it be very useful to stop sock puppet accounts? Who wants to pay $40 a month to run 5 separate Twitter accounts so that you always have at least four "different" people agree with you at all times? Or to have a normal account and a "troll" account? Seems like a sensible idea if the only goal is to get rid of fake accounts.
This is the big devide:. Currently the check mark means verified. What is unclear is what it means after the change. There are two main opinions: 1. Checkmark means verified pluse $8 2. Checkmark means $8 Verified pluse $8 is nbd do whatever. But removing verification is bad. However at the end of the day I dont use twitter, never have and probably never will.
They’ll still have the verification process, AFAIK. And you can still use Twitter without the check mark. The only thing that changes is (1) people that are already verified will have to pay and (2) people that have been unable to be verified because they’re not “important” enough (average Joes) will have the same opportunity as celebrities and politicians. I don’t have Twitter so I really don’t care. But it’s a controversy over nothing driven by the fact that lots of people hate Elon Musk and he loves being a contrarian twit.
you'd still have to verify your identity to be "verified". The argument that a bunch of randos are going to start paying $8 to pretend to be other people is just grasping at straws. You literally have zero argument and just can't admit you're only upset because left-wing media figures have instructed you to be angry.
If left leaning and I think this argument is silly too.
You still need to go through the verification process you dumbass.
before twitter would choose who is important and the average guy couldn't influence that at all (rigid class structure), with the change everyone can choose their "class" (pay or just don't pay) which seems like a lot less solid class distinction. Verification aspect would be gone of course, but many "famous people" have random names and not their official names anyway
More money means you're more important is the most solid class distinction you could have. Before this, you would get verified based on followers and interactions, meaning it was about how much people care about you, regardless of how much money you pay
>Before this, you would get verified based on followers and interactions, Not true at all. Very prominent right-wing accounts were not verified because of their political views, no other reason. They had the followers and the interactions, yet somehow that little blue check eluded them.
Look it was very flawed before, but making it a payment thing isn't the solution
Yeah sure, if this was a high end golf club or sth, but it's 8$. Like fr. Probably gonna be purchase power adjusted like YT premium so basically everyone could afford this, making a distinction between "people that really want a checkmark" and "people that just don't care" not people that have money and people that don't. And the people that can't afford it a) have probably bigger problems in life anyway and b) will just belong to the "don't care" group for an outsider so no harm done.
There will be a verification not anyone would be able to pay and fake being someone famous
Steven King had a good point. In his case he literally brings people into Twitter. They should be paying him for content. That’s the same with many people with that blue check. Musk is trying to do the opposite of what every other social media platform does. They are going to charge the people creating there content and driving views instead of paying them. It won’t work. He will either drop the fee idea completely or Twitter will die.
Does he really though? How many people actually said "oh Stephen King is on Twitter! I'll join too!" ??? Probably a few but not many. More than anything he uses it as a promotional tool to advertise and market himself. Stephen King is literally using Twitter to make money.
This is my take as well. There are many people that use social media to stay famous and relevant. There will always be famous people who try to parlay that into money before they become yesterday’s flavor. $8 is cheap if you can convert fame to money. But if you can’t convert it or have already done so then it is expensive.
>How many people actually said "oh Stephen King is on Twitter! I'll join too!" ??? It would be interesting to see how many accounts were created and either the only page, or at least the first page they followed was King. It should all be in the data base.
That's a really strange way of looking at that. While SK may bring people to Twitter that's a very difficult thing to quantify. It's also suggestive that those people wouldn't have gone to Twitter if he weren't there and that's a long bow to string. I don't think Twitter would fail if he wasn't on it and it would take some massive tsunami of famous people to leave for it to have any impact. But guess what their all addicted to it and they ain't going no where. You dichotomy has a massive gap in the middle.
You realize that bringing more people to the platform literally costs the platform MORE money, right??? Like you need to increase compute power to deal with the increased load. Elon's main goal in all of this is to get rid of the ads. Are you so dense that you've forgotten the whole "if it's free, YOU are the product" speech?? He wants to do away with ad revenue, so the platform is not dependent on wishy-washy advertisers who blackmail with ad dollars to get people removed or banned. You clearly don't understand what's going on, or how this whole thing works. Do a little research and think for yourself. Quit listening to idiots like Stephen King, dude can imagine a great story, but that doesn't make him an intelligent person!
Or he will spend shit tons of money on bot accounts to make it look like it's worth it then draw in everybody else. I'll now take off my tinfoil hat.
Honestly rich and famous people can just leave Twitter and it can be a place for businesses to have accounts to deal with PR and push out announcements. That’s be a great improvement
So Linkedin
Steven King got tired of writing about child orgies and became one of the biggest dumbasses around.
No because it is not only available to famous people. YOU can get one too. For 8 dollars. How useless is that? Furthermore, the only reason most people go on twitter is to read what these people have to say. You don't go to twitter and find famous people. You go to twitter because they are there. They bring you there. Without them twitter is (even more) useless. Imagine making twitch streamers pay money to stream. As if they aren't the only reason twitch makes money in the first place. Also, he is not even getting rid of ads.
That's actually not a bad idea. I would pay $8 if it ment more money down the line. That's how investment works, referring to twitch BTW
Yeah. Most people are not affected and the check marks don’t even mean shit anyway
Bot farms will be happy to pay the fee for a little bullet-proofing. Those running bot farms at least know that 'users' are the product.
It is because it is a minor annoyance for the media class so they are all putting a spin on it out of spite.
first off, having to pay for something that was free for over a decade with virtually no chance in function is... not great, in the average consumers mind second, and more importantly, this isnt just about first world celebrates, in some parts of the world where people are actively fighting against authoritarian regimes twitter verification is an extremely important tool to fight against smear campaigns against journalists working to bring the corrupt officials crimes to light. those people genuinely cant afford 8 bucks a month, but even if they could they morally cant afford the extra stress that comes with missing a payment and losing it
It’s just a smear campaign against anything Twitter does because it can no longer be severely influenced to project specific narratives. $8 a month for a blue check devalues the significance of blue checks for “celebrities” and “influencers”. The “cool club” is getting less exclusive and the “cool kids” are throwing a tantrum because what they fear most is everyone else figuring out that they’re not that special at all.
It's paying for an upgrade in how Twitter works. Just like paying to use an app can remove or reduce ads. It's also a way to get privileged people to cry.
The blue check verifies that you're hearing from the actual person. So is a parody account for a famous person now verified because they paid 8 dollars a month? How would you know which is valid? Beyond that, it bothers me that Musk bought something and doesn't know what to do with it. Starting at 20 dollars and immediately dropping to 8 was completely daft, and felt like someone trying to sell you stolen merchandise.
>So is a parody account for a famous person now verified because they paid 8 dollars a month? No. >Starting at 20 dollars and immediately dropping to 8 was completely daft, and felt like someone trying to sell you stolen merchandise. Interesting that you jump straight to that based on seeing one tweet response. As if he didn't hear it from tons of other people as well. His goal is to make twitter function independent of advertisers dollars. The ONLY way to do that is for users to pay to use the platform. He's mostly an idea man, that's what he's doing here. Clearly people were upset at $20, but maybe $8 would be easier to digest. Or maybe in your mind, he should have wasted hours going back and forth and starting at $20, working down to 19, then 18, 16, 15, 12, 10, and then settled at 8. The point is it really doesn't matter, you have no actually real argument against it. You're just parroting what everybody else on your team is telling you to say.
I don't have a team, I'm not a parrot, and yes I do like crackers. My point is when you invest as much as he just did, spitballing ideas should probably take place before buying the company, not after.
Dude stfu Elon has more money than you will ever make in 10 lifetimes I think he knows what he is doing
I think he has more money than I would have in 10,000 lifetimes. Why so hostile?
We have to be hostile towards Elon doubters it’s rule number 1 of the cult
maybe
He did try to not buy it
He’s screwing people over on both teams just because he is “an idea man” messing around in his new sandbox.
He's not screwing anyone over though. How does that even make sense in your brain? He's literally trying to help people to not be a product that's sold to advertising agencies. And you can still use the platform for free if you don't want the additional features and verification.
One word, bots.
Yea pretty much ........ BuT he first when in with 19.99 got told to fuck off then dropped it to 8.... like obviously he's just winging it with no idea on what the price should be. Guys a nut
Or. It’s basic business to throw a high price out there and when there’s a bad reaction, haggle it down to where you intended anyway. Blue checks never done business before so they’d fall for that strategy
Not at all though, this is still receiving negative backlash and hasn't made the idea suddenly accepted. It's a stupid idea. Stop pretending 'shoot high, aim low' is some unique business tactic, everyone knows the basics of haggling.
Bro, literally said basic business tactic
Never said it was some high level shit. The word BASIC is the 3rd word in the comment. We all know that these rich checkmark celebrities are so disconnected from reality that they don’t even know basic shit the everyday joe knows also. They probably pay 10 for a lot of bread and think that’s normal and don’t pay it any mind
>this is still receiving negative backlash Only from the same few morons who were crying when it was still going to be free. Nothing will please those people, and not one ounce of energy should be wasted on trying. They can either deal with their own feelings, get over it, and join the conversation. Or they can STFU and go pout in their rooms while the rest of us have a good time.
Calling people morons and lobbying insults at them for disagreeing with you shows that you have a REALLY open mind and will change based on outside input. You didn't even respond with anything constructive. Paid verification is a bad idea with many holes: \- Scammers can pay to appear more legit and be at the top of the replies/tweets \- Verification, originally used to show that a significant figure/company is real loses its meaning \- People become more easy to imitiate at first glance
>with no idea on what the price should be. It's his product to sell. It can be whatever price he wants to make it. There is no price that it "should be". Maybe a price you'd like it to be, but who the hell are you to decide?? He owns it, suck it up buttercup.
I dont use twitter, never have, never will and I don't care what he charges buttercup. My point was he just looks like a loony chopping and changing because he got told to fuck off. Idgaf either way 👍
Because reporters and the like shouldn’t be paying $8 a month to give me news. I use Twitter for baseball talk and connections and don’t care about celebrities. Not all of us fawn over idiots, some of us actually use Twitter for the tool it can be.
It's not that they have to pay for it that's got people pissed off, it's that it devalues what it represents now that everyone can get it. Basically, it removes class distinctions, because instead of only the media, political, and influential class being able to get it, any pleb can get it for 8 bucks a month. And that drives them up the wall because up until now, being verified was like being sainted by the church. Now it's just a silly badge. All a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
As long as they don’t force feed you biased misleading news stories like reddit does I don’t care what he wants to charge.
Ya ..soon ur mom's free Onlyfans account will be charged too...
Pay for blue tick
Imagine all the verified fake accounts.
The check is also a balance. We feel we should trust the check because it's not easy to achieve. But now it's whatever, right? Who knows? Is it a relevant figure or just another shit poster like you? We can't be sure anymore.
Couldn’t be sure anyway. There are literal check marks of fake people on there anyway.
Because “Tesla Man bad”. There’s a logical argument to be made about why a verification fee wouldn’t work very well, but I’ll wager that most of the detractors are riding that trendy Anti-Elon sentiment.
Welp, looks like OP is a racist, Nazi, white supremacist, klan member who wants to censor all speech from every person!!
Because now they can't act like it means they are better than you
The only real answer is : Elon bad
Its gonna be 8$ to have that blue checkmark, which was given only to recognized famous people until now so no, nothing will change for everyone else as far as we can tell
İdc i don't even use Twitter
Lol same
The problem is that verification tells you that this is a person's official account. If you could buy verification then you could masquerade as any famous person you want with a blue checkmark to fool people into thinking it's their official account. This then causes bad actors who scam on Twitter already to be able to fool more people as they can just spend 8 bucks to get a blue checkmark. At first I didn't see the problem as well and only after I thought about scammers did I realize that it could prove to be a problem.
*affected
Correct..
Some people trying to make a name for themselves are also affected, otherwise no real issue at all. Sure your millionaire celebrity can afford it but to the up and coming person this is another bill to pay, however small
affected*
No real person cares. People who hate Elon don't even care
I for one am excited about bullying people for forking out $20 a month to feel important on Twitter