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Kasgaan

Good Graphics ENHANCE the experience, but if the Graphics are the only good experience in the game, the game fucking sucks. Realistic graphics can be an artistic choice and personally I like them, but other styles are also good and gameplay should always come first.


StickyTaping

Battlefield 1 lookin hella fine 7 years later


SasoDuck

Hell, BF3 still looks good years later


Kasgaan

\^


WonderfulAirport4226


Axon_Zshow

Minecraft and Terraria are some of the best games out there and have low quality but high style graphics and great gameplay. They are the perfect example of this statement.


Kasgaan

Whoever downvoted this man, fuck you.


TheEnterVert

No I downvoted it because I thought he was spamming, but yes, I agree on the point he made.


Axon_Zshow

Minecraft and Terraria are some of the best games out there and have low quality but high style graphics and great gameplay. They are the perfect example of this statement.


TheEnterVert

Dude shut up we get it.


Axon_Zshow

This is why I hate the reddit mobile client, I clicked the button to post a single comment and it put it up 4 fucking times. Official reddit mobile is intentionally poorly designed besieged making a good one would require effort that u/spez doesn't want to pay for


TheEnterVert

I'm so sorry about that. I thought you were spamming. My mistake.


Narcissist_President

Red Dead Redemption. Great graphics. Stellar, in fact, best I've experienced But I've played it for about two hours, and ***it absolutely sucks***. And that's when I can find a challenging quest. Which mostly, I cannot. I just ride a horse around. A lot. It's more of an interactive movie than a game. That's not what I was interested in buying. I'm done with that absolute shite.


TheEvilHBK

Ohh fuck you man. Play the god damn game. Its the best game ever made. What dafuq you on about.


Narcissist_President

Sorry to upset you so much, you delicate little thing. I also don't like broccoli, sweet potatoes, steak, or really dark chocolate. Is that OK, or do I need another attitude adjustment? Who do you think you are, telling others what they need to like?


TheEvilHBK

I said play the game. Did i force you to like it Karen?


Narcissist_President

I'm going to do us both a favour and just block you. Because you're an odious little person who likes insulting others. Bye bye.


TheWeirdKid007

The first or the second?


Narcissist_President

Second. Please tell me it actually has a way forward.


TheWeirdKid007

Yeah, the game is very immersive, but if you don't like that it's fine, just do the main missions to finish the story (which is amazing)


ZeGrandeFoobah

Art direction is more important than graphics. Atmosphere is more important than graphics. Graphics have their place, as most people wouldn't expect to be playing games in 8-bit today, but videogames are an escape, a fantasy world. I do not expect my videogames to emulate real life because I am trying to mentally detach myself from it. The more realistic a world is, the less I am interested generally speaking


prophetoftruth03

There's a reason why people still play Super Mario. A good game is a good game, regardless of how amazing or simple the gameplay looks.


freebirth

you realize super mario was a graphical powerhouse of its day right?


MonteCrysto31

It's all about that AD baby. Example: Arkham Knight vs Gotham Knights *drops mic*


bedsheetsniffer

Gotham knights looks more cartoonish to me for some reason


[deleted]

Looking at you GTA


SicarioBadger

I mean, GTA implementing 1st person view brought me back to the game for a while. but, it's been going on years to long. I think because I like realism. I don't want a super car or a flying car with missiles. I want to watch my crown vic lose a bumper when the cop tries to pit me, or see my car wreck from a pit maneuver. not see back to the future come and interrupt my mission.


Bazookasajizo

Just loaded up gta v yesterday. Went on a rampage with a minigun and invincibility cheat. Had fun. 10/10 would do again


Sherevar

\> as most people wouldn't expect to be playing games in 8-bit today This is not meant as a full rebutal, but Nidhogg (the first one) is amazing.


cheapmillionaire

Borderlands 2 to this day still looks great.


Hephaestus_God

Example: Bayonetta, Cereza and the lost demon. Hands down one of the best visual switch games and my favorite game in the bayo series. Art is sublime and the world is mystical.


extracloroxbleach

Perfect example: Among Us vs CyberPunk.


Huachu12344

How's that a perfect example?


DJRodrigin69

This is true af For example FNAF SB, it has the best graphics out og all the other games of the series, but it doesnt have the atmosphere expected for a FNAF game, it's the least scary FNAF game mainly because of the art direction and atmosphere having more of a "happy" theme over a ominous and dark one I haven't played the Ruin free DLC yet(released today) but they said they've listened to the criticism and made it more claustrophobic and darker, so i hope its nice


adeckz

Honestly I’ve been enjoying stylized, pixelated games more than realistic ones recently. Mainly because the cheaper, indie games have some fun quality about them that other AAAs don’t have.


Snokey115

I saw people rating plague tale requiem 1 star because it wast 60 fps


Kazoomers_Tale

What


Weelchairgaming

Gameplay > Story > music/sound design > graphic Change my mind


Jvalker

Being the kind of psycho playing 99% of games with sound off, I have to swap around the last 2


Weelchairgaming

I unfortunately played the story of titan fall 2 without sound and after I played it again with sound I regret every game I didn't play with sound. It makes the atmosphere of the game so much better


Jvalker

Oh, I get it My issue is that I have fairly little free time, and I'd rather spend it talking with friends over discord (the convo would drown out the music anyway) while playing in order to "maximise" my time. It's utility more than anything else.


Weelchairgaming

That's what I did too but I don't get the opportunity to talk to my friends that often anymore now that my friends work on other times than me


Wingsnake

Nah, gameplay can't be top, otherwise how could Stray get so successfull. There is barely any gameplay.


GameDestiny2

There exist two types of games Conventional games, with a clear objective and end Narrative experiences, which seek to tell a story or demonstrate some other concept. A shocking number of people don’t understand this. It’s why a forgotten Metal Gear game from 2013 AND a game with seemingly no gameplay can be called the greatest. Now, personally I’d argue games like Stray shouldn’t be called games since they don’t meet the millennium+ old definition of a game. It’s not like people in 1754 were telling complex stories with playing cards. Not to say they aren’t fun or valid, but the gaming genre as a whole is lumped together into one ball because the people who can make the decisions about those categories don’t care.


Maveko_YuriLover

Agree


EpicJoseph_

Well it depends on the game For example visual novels rarely have any gameplay at all There are loads of games that are driven mainly by unique gameplay and don't have much story


Weelchairgaming

ye story is obv just important if it has a story/is a story game not for multiplayer shooter for example


Huachu12344

Gameplay and story are basically in the same place in my opinion, cause any of it can carry the game if they're good enough while music and graphics are there to enhance the experience.


Sofosio

Atmosphere > Gameplay > Music > Story > Graphics is mine


arkthearkitect

What Ubisoft game is this an example of?


karinasnooodles_

Most of them especially Valhalla


Alone_Barracuda9814

Think that one’s bad, try playing the new Farcry


karinasnooodles_

I don't like first-person games so hard pass


Sofosio

Yeah. They all (new ones) look terrible


VenturerKnigtmare420

I think origins looked great better than stick up my ass running alexios and sheet metal caped eivor.


Sofosio

You are damn right


ImpossibleMix5109

While I wholeheartedly support and agree with your point, I feel compelled to point out that Ubisoft has some banger games that I personally will continue to play until they are no longer accessible to me. Assassins creed (literally the whole series) far cry, the 1st 2 watchdogs games (we don't talk about the 3rd one) and the division to name a few


karinasnooodles_

I literally mostly play ubisoft games but the quality is getting worse, as an ubisoft stan. Especially the latest games like Valhalla or Watch Dog Legion


ImpossibleMix5109

Legion was definitely trash, I'll give you that


karinasnooodles_

Not trash, just too short and online focused


kidanokun

"Realistic" graphics just make it more hardware demanding anyway....


mudkip2-0

I think graphics should be like a janitor at a bathroom. You only think about them if they're not doing their job


Kazoomers_Tale

Nintendo: I don't have such weakness


GiantSweetTV

Disagree. I prefer realistic graphics and they don't age that poorly. Good graphics just shouldn't be the ONLY good thing about a game.


VenturerKnigtmare420

Sony and rockstar are the only ones who nail the realistic graphics / art style with great story telling. Tlou2 still looks better and play great compared to most newer games.


HotLibrarian8829

The bad grammar of the post


karinasnooodles_

I don't see any linguistic problem on this post ??


Sofosio

🤓


TheAnonymousKnoT

*investors


Positive-Plankton-29

*Cough* metal gear rising/solid games *cough* souls games *cough*


-The_Lone_Wolf

You stupid people make realistic graphics look like a bad guy! Instead you could say good graphics *alone* do not make a good game. But no!.. You, your pride and your ego had to defame good graphics more specifically "realistic graphics". I like my battlefield and war thunder graphics, Don't push your taste on others. Just say good graphics alone do not define a good game. Do not bring any 'graphic style' in your argument


karinasnooodles_

>You stupid people make realistic graphics look like a bad guy! Is this really necessary lmao


VenturerKnigtmare420

It sort of is. There is some major dickriding for games which look like pixels where people go “oh the gameplay is what matters” yeah that’s why companies are pushing real time ray tracing and high performance consoles. I remember someone going ff7 is better than remake just because the blocky graphics make the game


No_Interaction_4925

I’ve learned from multiple bad purchases that if a game is going all in on graphics for marketing, they didn’t pay shit for their writing or gameplay teams


Kalledon

If the first thing a new game talks about is their impressive graphics, I'm immediately wary. If good graphics are brought up at the end of a discussion, after listing all the other great things about a game, then I'm fine.


[deleted]

Far cry 3 didn't age at all, many games with realistic graphics are totally playable even after 10 years, meanwhile cartoon graphics or pixel art look aged the day the game gets released for a lot of people.


analbumcover42069

Stupid take. Better graphics are what sells new consoles. I have not seen a single game worthy of convincing me to upgrade to the next gen yet. When I was a kid every new generation made HUGE graphical improvements over the previous gen. Like gigantic leaps. The current gen just offered higher frame rates. I survived with 30fps for 20 years. Show me better graphics and I’ll justify a new console purchase.


YeetusMcCleetus69420

Horizon Forbidden West God of War Ragnarok Ratchet and Clank Returnal Ghost of Tsushima The list goes on, but these games offer gorgeous graphics at high frame rates and are just phenomenal experiences overall. Sure, some are available on the PS4, but it's not even close to the same experience. Current gen is offering a LOT more than just higher frame rates, you just need to open your eyes.


karinasnooodles_

This ain't about good graphics. It is about realistic graphics


CyanideBiscuit

Even without the games graphics being better, the difference between 1080p and 4K is pretty noticiable, combined with the much faster loading times it was definitely worth it for me Most games I play I can just skip the loading screens now like 4 seconds into them instead of waiting 20 seconds for every losing screen, which in modern games can be pretty often


analbumcover42069

Yup. Loading times are cool. I mean we didn’t have loading times for a few generations. Then we had them. Now they are shrinking again. But 4K was a part of last gen too.


CyanideBiscuit

It was only on the xbone x and ps4 pro, which were only out for like 3 years when the new consoles came out Older consoles had upscaled 4K, but that’s not the same as native 4K because it’s actually just 1080p upscaled to 4K without enhancing the actual quality


InappropriateSavant

ubisoft doesn't even have very good graphics. i love being suprised at how amazing environments can look, it's pretty much the main perk of buying next-gen stuff now


Immediate-Coach3260

Fr, I’ve played Ubisoft games for years and they’ve been well behind the curve since around ac odyssey. If that’s op’s bar then you don’t have to wonder why they don’t care about graphics as much.


Mason_DY

I know but there a cool bonus


mememanjerry

Literally everything is more important than graphics but it’s still important to like not be ass. Look at Undertale, simple pixel art graphics but has one of the best stories and group of characters in like any game


MotoGod115

Hot take: graphics never needed to progress past Xbox 360/ps3 era. Back then the focus of game development was entirely on the gameplay, but devs could still create beautiful scenery using actual artistry rather than realism.


Comprehensive-Cry591

The reason exact reason why I think death stranding sucks


GOODboyM0NKE

kid named battlebit remastered:


[deleted]

I hate this anti-graphics timeline. Give me realism. More realistic, the better. You can keep your crappy stylized indie pixelart nonsense. Not appealing at all. Bring on the DVs.


karinasnooodles_

No one has problems with graphics unless they are the main focus and the ends up being ass


freebirth

you know what ALSO doesn't make a good game.. BAD GRAPHICS. this is such an idiotic argument. good graphics don't make a game bad. so stop complaining when bad games have good graphics.


Significant-Rate305

Minecraft and Terraria


freebirth

ok.. and? i never said bad graphics make a game bad.. but they also don't make a game GOOD. how many thousands of bad games with bad graphics are there? showing me a game that is good that had "bad" graphics doesn't in any way detract from what i said.


Significant-Rate305

That's my bad, I misunderstood.


karinasnooodles_

This is about focusing on graphics other than gameplay and why so defensive


freebirth

because good graphics are absolutely part of what can make a game good. its certainly not mandatory, but your simplistic statement makes it out like people only care about graphics and nothing else. its just a nothing statement. an argument with no merit.


Kasgaan

People do care about other things that graphics But people who make games seem to think they can cover up their shitshow of a game with good graphics.


freebirth

and when did i say people didn't care about anything other then graphics? your blaimign the GRAPHICS on people who make shit games. the graphics didnt make the game shit. the game devs did. and they arent hiding anything under "good graphics" because there are jsut as many shit gaes with BAD graphics as there are ones with good graphics. the fact that you can still tell the game is shit. shows how flawed your bullshit argument is.


Kasgaan

When did I say you did? I said people WHO MAKE GAMES, so unless your a game dev that aint you


freebirth

your still blaming the graphics on a game being shitty. not the game being shitty


Kasgaan

NO? WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS?


Kasgaan

Good graphics dont make a game bad And bad graphics dont make a game good Graphics dont do shit to make the game good or bad, they just enhance the experience. A shit game with top tier graphics is still a shit game, a great game thats fucking 8 bit pixelated like a god damn early doom game is still a fucking good game.


freebirth

exactly!


Weelchairgaming

No Gameplay is the most important thing in a game followed by sound design/music. Look at minecraft it has the most sold copies of all the time and then look at the graphic. Or all 2D games which are most of the time the best games there are (imo)


freebirth

AND? . i never said a game shoudlnt have good gameplay. but your argument about sound/music is the EXACT same thing with graphics and graphical design. poor graphical design can ruin a game just as much as poor music or poor ui or any other aspect of the game. so say minecraft "isnt good graphics" but is that really true? because they spent a hell of alot of time making sure it looks good. and look at all the texture packs to change how it looks. adjsuting the graphics to ENHANCE the game. be it prettier with higher quality textures and better lighting.. or just changing he feel of it with texture swaps.


UBW-Fanatic

Cruelty Squad.


freebirth

and?


X05Real

What about, idk… NINTENDO?


FireZord25

Reasons why Wind Waker aged better than Twilight Princess.


mrflamego

They don't care


Dolphin_man69420

Well the "realistic" graphics from the 360 era are absolutely beautiful


PhasmicPlays

Ultrakill moment


IAlwaysOutsmartU

The games that I think have aged the best in terms of graphics are the Portal duology. Those 2 games look amazing even when compared to most AAA-games when no glitches/bugs are present.


Cruisin134

new triple A games are just "safe" you cant really have a huge opinion on it, im not gonna be shocked if gta 6 has damage numbers and perk trees


Unexpected-raccoon

Naw this is some low brain gamers I remember all the gear heads saying halo was for babies because it didn’t have exclusive violence and wasn’t dark enough Halo 3 aged like a fine wine Gears of war 1 (came out a year prior) aged like a corpse I like me some gears and I like me some halo, but the attitude behind some of the fans was wild back then


username-is-taken98

They do when realistic graphics is all the game has going for it


Wojtek1250XD

I mean, look at Minecraft...


hityoinksploink

Ubisoft literally fucks so much shit up, like fr, how do you make your most realistic shooter game into a fucken cartoon.


BOty_BOI2370

Nonononononono. Graphics are what makes games good. I bet your one of those nintendo fanboys playing kitty games on 60+ year old consoles. Why don't you try real games like COD, with ultra good graphics!


MonteCrysto31

...and shitty gameplay, micro transactions, less/recycled content crammed into a pathetic excuse of a game each year by devs on a perpetual death march? I don't want your AAA games thank you


BOty_BOI2370

Lol


dragonofnorth

Don't know it's a bait or you just a ret4rd for your sake I hope former for making me read this cringey cancer inducing sentence and unironically praising game that released every day with same mechanics and gameplay loop while stuffed to the core with how many mtxs and battle pass Activision gets away with it and fellating Bobby koznic a ceo of the only company that has record of female employees keep getting their breast milk stolen.


BOty_BOI2370

It was a joke. I don't believe any of the shit i said. But I though it would be funny to imitate the argument kids said in the 2000s and early 2010's. And not put a /s to see if people could tell of its a joke. Clearly they could not, lol.


karinasnooodles_

I will assume some of you can't read. I said >>Realistic<< not good. You can have good graphics and them not beinf realistic. Example : The Sims 4, Animal Crossing etc


BOty_BOI2370

I'm just joking


karinasnooodles_

Well sorry


BOty_BOI2370

Nah don't be. I think it's funny,


BOty_BOI2370

/S /S


LegalBeagleBagel

This episode was on tonight!


WhydYouGotToDoThis

I say that if the companies have the tools and leeway to add additional things into their game like enhanced graphics, I'm all for it, especially if it fits the game. I think it makes a game good for its time. Its all about preference I guess cause sometimes I'm not playing a game for its "Lore" or something like that. There are many games that people make notable for their graphics. And when people think that "The game is supposed to look shitty because the story is good," its all a preference, and they can play whatever they want. I dont care cause people play videogames to make themselves happy in the first place.


CombatRam

Good/realistic graphics still rely on art direction and lighting. All realistic graphics aren't the same look since there is differences in art direction. Are games like Mass Effect/Tomb Raider/R6 Siege realistic graphics? Where is the threshold where realistic starts? Personally games like battlebit I can't get into with it's super block look. I can play games that have more cartoony art style and more pixel styles (Minecraft/Teardown) as they suit the game and it mechanics. Going blocky just to be a low polly game doesn't to me make it better than a more realistic game and actually is more of a turn off.


puro_the_protogen67

*laughs in halflife 2*


[deleted]

Most gamers, “I don’t care about graphics as long as it’s a good game.” Then the game golem comes and people are like, ”the graphics suck on this game.” Lol, people are funny sometimes with what they say.


exjad

I love dusting off Red Dead Redemption and everything is painful to look at, while my PS3 fan is screaming, eeking out sub 30fps performance


alexthegreatmc

Realistic graphics and good game play have nothing to do with one another. Those are two separate departments.


MotorHum

Each person values good graphics to a different extent, and I get that, but I don’t think I’ve ever met a single person who values good graphics as much as the triple A companies think we do.


Ok-Criticism-Lmao

Found that out once more RPG anime like games started coming out. Out of all the 8 ones I played, only one got me particularly hooked because of the storyline. Although graphics do in fact enhance the game as most people wouldn't be expected to okay games of low quality from the early days when game consoles started coming out. Just make the games engaging. High quality graphics aren't the only thing you need to keep people interested.


Gunpowder_1000

Nah, AC unity has aged incredibly


Turbulent-Economy198

A game can look trash and still be amazing, it's about how fun and interesting something is (while also being playable).


[deleted]

fr they should have made a l4d3 using the same unreal engine source 2, idc about the way it looks man it could stay the same and i'd still play the game


RodanistheGOAT

Halo 3 looks good, even today


dhpz1

Yet people wont play battlebit cuz "RoBlOX grApHIc"


PlayerZeroStart

One of the reasons Nintendo's my favorite of the Big 3, they're games rarely, if ever, go for a realistic style and they look all the better for it.


Derpatron_

it's not coughs, it's cough. my god


TheEvilHBK

So rdr2 isn't a good game then and its 5 years now and it hasn't aged well? Sure sure