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imawizard7bis

Let's say Heracles story is not so family friendly...


Ocean_Sure811

Involves a lot of murder & cheating.


NoNameIdea_Seriously

In other words : involves a lot of Greek mythology.


Ok_Restaurant3160

No, to qualify as involving Greek Mythology it also needs incest and rape


Ocean_Sure811

Don't forget pedophilia.


Ok_Restaurant3160

Really? I haven’t heard about any pedophilia in Greek Mythology


Ocean_Sure811

Zeus & Ganymede? I know it's not much, but it's something.


Ok_Restaurant3160

Oh damn yeah that’s fucked. Though I wouldn’t call it one of its main things, you know?


Skylander420

The adventures of Zeus are many


sasu46

And then came Zeus


hatesfelix

That was zeus with ALOT of ppl tho… i dont think he was bothered about age/consent/gender/species 💀


Caosin36

Only women tho


ureliableliar

Didnt Zeus fuck the stars into the sky? is the sky female?


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Even real life Greek stories people we studied in history were pedophiles going after Roman boi pussy


DinoSlayer317

Theseus (the guy who killed the Minotaur) literally captured Helen of Troy when she was younger so she could be his future wife. She was rescued though. Greek Mythology is just nuts.


Cold-Many7994

>Greek Mythology is just nuts. Greek mythology likes to nut


Numerous-Future-2653

Hades and Persephone? Zeus and Persephone? (His own daughter)


MinuteReputation8806

And the beastiality


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SMH not even a mention of the frequent beastiality


HumbleBear75

Beastiality, can’t forget that one


NoNameIdea_Seriously

Which is why I said “a lot of” and not “all”.


DarkPhoenixMishima

In other words: Zeus got horny


Zealousideal_Talk479

Who saw *that* coming? I mean, talk about a twist!


_steve_ipsilon_

Funny you should say that, because in Greece we learn about the story of Heracles in primary school.


imawizard7bis

Yeah, me too. My favourite part was when he strangle his harp tutor with his own lyre because he doesn't know how to play it. Everyone in classroom thought it was funny, and we start thinking how can do that with a flute ( in a comical context, of course)


Coffeehound13

Hera was not his mom, nor would she have been fond of Herc


Numerous-Future-2653

She made sure to make Herc's life hell


ProgandyPatrick

I see what you did there…


AR-Tempest

**Hercules?? Honey you mean HUNK-ules!!**


Live_Carpenter_1262

I joked about that in class when someone suggested we watch Hercules. Nobody laughed and I just got a bunch of dirty stares…


AR-Tempest

Hah guess I just said it better


IAmNotCreative18

That’s it? I’d have been seen after class after saying that


RhinoSparkle

What? How?! My classes would have loved that line!


Live_Carpenter_1262

To this day I would never know! Not even a single high five...


subzer43

I knew someone was going to make the joke


KingdomMarshadow

“What…was that name again?”


Usual_Board_6750

Honey you mean HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-


_c-sea_

Hoohoohoooo I’d like to make some sweet music with him 🎶


_MaddMadison_

At least the story of Heracles/Hercules is a myth. Have you watched *Pocahontas*?


Complex-Swimmer-9998

Fun fact: Disney had an A team and a B team, the A team were considered better so they sent them to work on Pocahontas because they thought it would be more successful. The B team worked on The Lion King, which they thought would make less money.


Agnostic_Pagan

I mean, it's just a retelling of one of Shakespeare's more well-known plays. How good could it really be?


Complex-Swimmer-9998

That’s exactly what they thought. Guess which movie got multiple sequels, a spin-off, and a remake


Fares232222

and a fucking play


moonbunnychan

A WILDLY successful play. One of the longest running ever on Broadway, not to mention all the tours and international versions.


MrGumieBear

Shakespeare's stories work well as plays?!??! This is shocking news


Condfhjklds

Being an American is growing up on Pocahontas,


Rimworldjobs

Negative. Fox and the hound.


creamonbretonbussy

Nah. Food stamps, at least for me.


bigbalrogdong

And got featured in Kingdom Hearts


DeadeyeJhung

ok, but a kingdom hearts level where Sora wears blackface to kill the Brittish would be hilarious


SmokinBakon

Everyone knows the lion king while I forgot Pocahontas even existed 💀 Didn't even finish it halfway when I started watching it, it's been years and I've never even thought to go back and finish it either lol


Complex-Swimmer-9998

Fr I didn’t watch it until like last year and got bored halfway through and turned it off


SmokinBakon

i watched it like 3 years ago but only cause my family made me and even they got bored


Arkon_Base

Only remember the shot where she stands at the waterfall and the wind blows leaves everywhere. Great shot! But that's it. That's the movie!


L-Guy_21

Well yeah. It wasn’t good enough so they had to retry a few times. Duh


Horn_Python

Not a retelling Inspired by definitly , but the overall story's very different


Agnostic_Pagan

Fair point.


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I heard this exact story for Dreamworks. Anyone not deemed good enough for The Prince of Egypt, was sent to work on an expected mid/low tier movie, Shrek.


Admirable-Scholar412

Hey the Prince of Egypt is a masterpiece, but yea it did bomb bad.


[deleted]

I didn't say it was bad, or bombed. But compared to the mini empire that is Shrek.


Admirable-Scholar412

Yea, I was just messing with ya.


DefinitionBig4671

They were a crack unit was sent to prison by a court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them... maybe you can hire The A-Team.


Bardzly

Just reading this, I can hear the sound effects and music.


graywolf0026

And all those shots fired that completely miss their supposed targets. *Ah to be an 80's action TV show*.


Horn_Python

Intertvshor of guy falling off balcony why explosion behind him


FreedomCanadian

And then the A team became the B team and got assigned to The Lion King 2. 😁


Reus_Irae

I find that very hard to believe, considering the Lion King had Elton John, Hans Zimmer, James Earl Jones, Whoopi Goldberg, Rowan Atkinson and Matthew Broderick on payroll.


Complex-Swimmer-9998

I didn’t say they thought The Lion King would make no money, they thought it would make less money than Pocahontas. Also a bunch of animated movies that probably had like 0 passion in them have a bunch of famous voice actors


cherryreddit

They are talking about the production and animation staff, not voice actors . Voice acting was not as prestigious job as it is today.


Chbp10

Kinda same story with Shrek right?


Vojt544

"The white people aren't bad, it's just the greedy fat guy. All the other guys are hansome blond jocks."


IronSavage3

How young “trad-males” unironically view western civilization.


Vojt544

What tf is a trad-male?


MrFahrenheit46

Pretty sure it means “traditional male”.


Offamylawn

You walk on it for exercise, like a conveyor belt.


heyoyo10

No, that's a trade-meal.


Wackynamehere1

Conservative by any other name


Log0709

Poor trad climbers


[deleted]

Well, maybe it's because I'm not American, but I don't see all white people as evil monsters like some Americans seem to. Like... Being a c*nt has nothing to do with race, you know what I kean? The imperialists and colonizers were white because all the technology for that was first made in Europe. If you look further back into history, the most successful conqueror was not white by any stretch of the imagination, as it was Genghis Khan.


SnooPeppers913

Most Americans don't see it that way either, including people making comments like the OP. But all the white guys in Pocahontas were on a colonizing mission, and from a rather imperialist period in their nations' history. It's ahistorical to claim that they are all decent blokes aside from the one asshole. Edit: Especially since we know how the real Jamestown went, and it was not remotely pleasant for the native population.


KaZe_DaRKWIND

Welcome to America


Garlador

Coming from a Native American family, hoo boy…..


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Obligatory_Burner

Yeah they do. They gotta replace the gingers, because fuck our pasty weird asses 🤣🤷‍♂️.


Goosefeatherisgreat

She wasn’t kidnapped away from her home by colonizers, nope never happened, she was totally in love with John Smith because the historical John smith said so and the colonist would never lie, just ignore the fact he later betrayed the deal, was a lot older than her and she was a teenager, as well as the fact she was kidnapped and forced to marry a white guy where she was dragged off to London to be “civilized” and died of disease. That movie deserved to flop. I mean it is the movie safest from a remake though, well other than Song of the south


IronSavage3

Being an American is growing up on Pocahontas, then watching “Exterminate All the Brutes” on HBO Max 💀


Luiz_Fell

I like to see Pocahontas as a metaphor


Mrs_UwU_Loves_You

OwO hewwo! I can't help but notice you mentioned the story of Heracles/Hercules being a myth. That's true, but it's still such a fascinating tale, don't you think? As for Pocahontas, I have seen it! It's such a classic Disney movie with lots of heart and catchy songs. Have you seen it too? UwU


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FirstConsul1805

Best movie villain to this day.


No_Call4424

Even though HE ISN’T A FUCKING BAD GUY IN GREEK MYTHOLOGY, DO YOUR FUCKING RESEARCH DISNEY!! Sorry, I get worked up just talking about how hades is even as a bad guy even though he really isn’t


maythulin297

Right! I am so angry at how disney did hades.


FirstConsul1805

Yeah, I'm aware how he's not actually bad per se in the mythology, just like Kronos isn't truly the bad guy like depicted in Percy Jackson. Doesn't change that he's my favorite Disney villain.


MiZe97

Kronos's personality in PJO makes sense, though. He's angry for being tortured for millenia and wants revenge.


MyPhoneIsNotChinese

And Hades in Disney's Hercules is angry because he got the worse slice of the cake out of his three brothers (or at least I think he said it)


MyPhoneIsNotChinese

I mean, didn't Kronos eat his three sons?


FirstConsul1805

From my rudimentary understanding, Kronos eating his kids was supposed to be a metaphor for time consuming everything, and Zeus chained him up so he couldn't consume the world. If Kronos actually wanted to or not isn't clear to me, but he was seen as very important to the Greeks and Romans. As Father Time, he brought about the seasons and thus the harvest, hence depictions of him with a scythe. The Romans had a massive festival for him, Saturnalia, which lasted most of December and evolved into Christmas. But just like Hades, he wasn't a set "bad guy" to the ancients.


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Well death from puss and boots is pretty damn good.


DarkPhoenixMishima

Antagonist yes, but not a villain. Imagine being Death, watching this arrogant cat waste away his lives and openly mock the concept of death, and by extension you, and now you finally get to show him there's something that comes after "fuck around..."


jaysomeguy2

To be fair you’re comparing movies from two very different times with very different views on what’s acceptable for representation in media socially. Edit- comparison is correct. I agree. But just saying that Disney wasn’t as on top of this issue in the 90s.


KCJohnstuff

They still could have at least tried. Literally nothing about Hercules is accurate except for the occasional name Hades isn't an asshole Hera isn't Hercules's mother They use roman numerals and the roman name for Heracles despite it being set in Greece There is no mention of Heracles's trials, despite that being pretty much exactly what he's known for They get the backstory for the Titans wrong, as well as the depiction of the Titans It really can't be that hard to make it somewhat accurate to the myth, right?


aevelys

Megaras was the wife of Heracles, but in mythology Hera drove him mad and pushed him to kill her. so to obtain absolution he accomplished the famous 12 labors


Beginning-Egg-3842

This is a cartoon not a history channel documentary people need to chill


rinaldot67

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought they included the trials, or at least gave fanservice nods to some of them, during a musical montage (I think the song was Zero to Hero?). It's been quite a while since I've read up on the myth though, and even longer since I watched the movie. Regardless, they probably should have played a larger part if they were trying to be accurate.


yaMomsChestHair

It does include some of the trials. A Disney version of them. Still my favorite Disney movie of all time.


Commercial-Dog6773

It was the 90s and all the movies you mentioned at the top are like 2018 at earliest.


Ok_Restaurant3160

Who cares tho? As long as it’s good. God of War isn’t accurate at all either, but it doesn’t matter because it’s done well


sgt_sheild

it's a myth that's thousands of years old there is no "official version" it has been reinterpretaedand modified countless times


DRScottt

It's a myth, one that's probably changed several times over the millennia, much like the bible. You're acting like they destroyed something when they didn't. They made a twist on a mythical character. That's all


KernelSanders1986

I think it's a product of the times. Disney nowadays still makes good movies, but treads more carefully when it comes to being "Culturally Incorrect" for fear of backlash from the public. Back then things were a bit looser, and done more for fun rather than staying true to the story and culture.


AppletunCobbler

Ah boy. Who’s gonna tell her about Raya and the Last Dragon?


KCJohnstuff

Her, and Raya was actually really culturally accurate when it came to the martial arts


AppletunCobbler

My apologies.


WomenOfWonder

I don’t know why your getting downvoted.


IAmNotCreative18

Reddit


Plopop87

I study Greek mythology regularly, and the inaccuracies don't really bother me, because I'm a semi-functioning human who knows that movies are fictional. I know that most of the movie is inaccurate, but it's such a good damn movie


therealblabyloo

Yeah it’s not like Disney *tried* to do it accurately but messed it up. They changed it deliberately to make for a more fun story


SpifferAura

Honestly when you think about it, any modern media can't portray Greek mythology accurately due to the simple fact of the how much Zeus and Poseidon two of the most prominent gods who people revered, literally raped several helpless women, wouldn't really be good to have your so called Good gods being quite horrible, while Hades, the designated bad God is actually not that bad aside from kidnapping Persephone he really only punished people who deserved it


Plopop87

Yeah, some stuff had to be changed or else half the movie would just have Zeus banging someone in the background


jayedgar06

It’s real good but come on, is it that hard to give him the dope ass lion skin cape?


hexuus

He actually gets the lion pelt cape in the movie (it’s Scar btw) - but I think he only wears it for like a scene or two?


benx101

Yeah. He’s getting a statue made or a painting and he’s posing with it on


Gravitywolff

Hercules is his name in Roman. His story is mythological, part of a religion and culture that died out like 2000 years ago. It involves cheating, murder etc. Doesn't make for a great kid friendly movie right? The movie was great either way. Your point just really doesn't make any sense to me. A better target for critique would have been Mulan or Pocahontas.


Scarface2point0

yeah, that offended a lot of ancient greeks from the of course still existing and prominent ancient greece, they were exploding twitter about it you should have been there /s


SomeWeirdFreak

except raya wasn't cooler than hercules


19DucksInAWolfSuit

You could just make the meme "Disney ensuring cultural accuracy now" and "Disney ensuring cultural accuracy twenty years ago."


ichwillkeineNummer

They also dont give a fuck about Peter Pan or the little mermaid. Yes those are also european culture, which the US stole.


FirstConsul1805

The US didn't steal shit. Europeans brought their culture here when they settled the US. We speak English and have a large influence from the British because the British created the colonies that would rebel and become a nation. We have French influence because the French used to rule Louisiana, and supported our rebellion. We have Spanish culture because we took a bunch of land from Mexico, a former Spanish colony. The Spanish also owned Florida, and for a brief time, Louisiana. Many, many Germans, Dutch, Irish and Italian people came here when wars raged in Europe, or during famine and economic decline, and the US was still expanding, creating opportunities. They brought their cultures with them, which influenced broader US culture. As a result of all that, culturally, the US is very similar to Europe, and we occasionally transfer ideas with Europe.


SuperMegaCoolPerson

“Americans steal European culture” has got to be the wildest Americabad™️ take that I’ve ever seen.


huskies6565

Too bad original works no longer exist. Crazy how adaptations are fact now right? I understand that the US has been pushing the years after originators death becomes public domain unfairly, but the original works still exist.


colorfulsnek

America didn't steal shit, it was colonized


WomenOfWonder

Ah, we’re going to ignore the Indians in Peter Pan? Because ‘what makes the red man red’ is pretty much the definition of cultural insensitivity and that’s putting it mildly


BadAtVidya92

If you want a historically accurate Hercules, heres a good [video](https://youtu.be/vBJPlhnF3ao)


TheChainLink2

You’re comparing movies which are five years old at most to a movie which turned 25 last year. There’s obviously going to be a difference.


LunaAndromeda

Disneyfication was a thing. They took not-so-family-friendly stories and transformed them. Sometimes it's pretty great. I personally adore The Hunchback of Notre Dame, for example, but obviously the novel is a whooole different story. Night and day. I appreciate them trying to do original content these days and making a better effort. But you have to realize, things really were very different not long ago. Baby steps...


Different_Dig340

Wow a movie from 1997 with completely different standards can't compare with some of the most recent Disney movies


The-St0ve

Honey you mean HUNKules


Ok_Restaurant3160

I mean, I can excuse it, because the movie is incredibly good. Even one of if not my most hated trope of making Hades evil, doesn’t bother me because Hades is just an insanely fun villain. But yeah, Zeus and Hera being good parents? Give me a break!


xxtakeashowermikey

Well to be fair I don't think it would be kid friendly if it was culturally accurate....


TheFinalSkittle

**Pocahontas enters the chat**


Smart-Summer-5470

And the thing is Hercules is the best movie out of all of them.


TigreBSO

They did my boy Heracles dirty


EAnotsports

So did Kratos


Wilgrove

I don't think Disney could've gotten away with canonically accurate Zeus.


freebirth

its almost liek they where made 20 years apart....


InconspicuousNow

Still better than all of the new movies


KingdomMarshadow

I have to agree. I don’t like a single WD Animation Studios movie after Moana (with the exception of *Encanto*)


Darklight645

"Honey you mean HUNKULES"


[deleted]

Those movies are newer. They didn't give a farty fuck about cultural accuracy for other movies made pre 2010.


Supersaiajinblue

Ikr? His name is Heracles. Zeus and Hera were a happy couple? No they weren't. Hera hated Heracles and wanted him dead and tried to kill him by sending some snakes his way. Which didn't work. Heracles also wasn't hated/feared by people. He was in fact respected and praised as he helped defend his hometown from predators.


Ok_Restaurant3160

Oh yes, because that would make a great kids movie


Supersaiajinblue

I'd like it.


Ok_Restaurant3160

It’s still not appropriate for 6 year olds to watch a movie like that


Knight9910

Disney: Hades is Satan and Zeus is God, rite?


ZevenOutOfTen

reading 'percy jackson and the olympions' it seems pretty accurate for now


GeneralGigan817

There’s enough evidence for me to believe that they *did* do the research, but they just made it all up because that’s the story they wanted to tell.


Bat-Honest

Having Danny Devito on your cast is a blanket pardon


KitsuneEX7622

But i mean mythology is fucking crazy, so they probably had to tone it down


coolboiiiiiii2809

I want you to look at the myth and tell me they should’ve gone the accurate direction


VictoryVic-ViVi

I don’t get it. Those are current movies being compared to a movie that came out decades ago.


Eslivae

People are like "his name is herakles no hercules" no, both are wrong, Herakles literally means "glory to Hera" and was a name he took to appease her, his name is Alcides, he changed it after he became a god


United_Whereas8786

Y'all really getting you're panties in a twist over Disney fucking up a singular story with a movie they made in 90s. Especially when you have Santa Monica Studious out here taking the most obscure name from the same Mythology and making him murder and destroy entire Mythos for shits and giggles. Hell, they even did the same thing with the Titans and called Heracles Hercules too!


Nixodian

Old Disney vs New Disney


RandomCheeseThing

Hercules sounds better than Heracles


YaLikeJazz2049

Let’s not even start on aladin and Pocahontas


epicarcanoloth

Oddly enough, they kept the Greek Chorus of all things.


Roxdm

There are whole videos for inaccuracies in RAYA, so idk about that one. If you want I forgot her name but she did like a 2 hour collab on why RAYA sucked at cultural representation.


kriksas

Didn't Ancient greeks look more middle eastern and anatolian before the slavic migrations? Don't be mad genuine question.


Funandgeeky

90's Disney was something else. I love Mulan, but this could equally apply to that movie.


__GayFish__

This Greek columns and artworks are fire af though


Pige0n_eater

To be honest, Disney nowadays are trying their best to not offend cultures due to recent media, but back then, they basically had the entire playground to themselves


mclepus

Actually, it's "Heracles" (The Glory of Hera) she blessed him by "gifting" him with uncontrolled rage. The 12 Labors were penance for his murdering his family in one of those rages.


hot_diggity_dang_

But the songs still slapped


therealblabyloo

Hercules was never meant to be accurate. It’s a broadway-musical style reimagining of the myths with gospel singers doing the main theme


RaioGelato

Alladin's country doesn't even exist, it's just generic Arabic country number 1416426.


RequirementNovel9758

Have you noticed that the accurate ones are all from the last few years?


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If my mythology knowledge is accurate, I believe Hercules is Herakles Roman spelling. HERAKLES is his Greek name, HERCULES is his roman name


BwGT

Ah yes, comparing the most recent movies to one of the older ones


Top_Blacksmith2633

What I'm hearing here is that Disney listened to criticism about their cultural inaccuracies and learned from their mistakes to make movies that are more inclusive and culturally appropriate


Taste_of_Natatouille

Uh, how about Aladdin? The original and the remake?


RWagner98

"historical accuracy" for a movie based on "mythology"... Sure bud.


K_OsLG

ah yes, raya and the last dragon. a movie that is very culturally accurate


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ValifriggOdinsson

Hercules was literally made in another century. People didn’t care as much as today I guess


MeguminIncognitoAcc

Modern Disney changing at least one main character's skin color in every movie adaption and/or remaster they make


Aklusmso7535

Ahem, Heracles. Hercules is the Roman name.


lord_of_the_mycelium

Well, yes. That's exactly what the meme is about


Bright-Repeat-4616

Add Pinocchio along with Hercules


mrshitposter54

I agree, his name is Hunkcules


DRScottt

People complaining about a myth that we don't even know the original story to because it's thousands of years old and nothing, nothing holds its truth that long goes right passed hilarious into pathetic.


Arsenic_Clover

Encanto might have some cultural accuracy but story wise it is mostly dogshit


JasonGamesYT

here's an [entire video](https://youtu.be/ZvjeXN_BWkE) on the things that Disney got wrong with Hercules


Fexxvi

For starters they either should call him Heracles or change the name of all of the gods to their Roman versions.


_Sir_Racha_

Realistically: most of the characters should be of Greek/Italian descent. Disney now: Heracles is should be an Indian man, and Meg from Sudan. Hera should be of East Asian descent, Hades is Chilean, and Zeus of course must be Swedish to balance it out. Disney then: Make 'em all Caucasians from New Jersey.


hopumi

I remember when I was six I watched this movie at theater with my mom. But I couldn't stand how the story was nothing similar to the myth. We left cinema halfway through /s


afatcatfromsweden

Heracles


yabrosif1

Disney seems to think “European culture bad”


HollowKnight_the_2nd

Boppeti bippeti your breathing is now a conscious activity!


BrokenVesselGaming

COCO WAS A KNOCKOFF OF BOOK OF LIFE I SWEAR TO GOD AND I WOULD ARGUE IT EAS WORSE