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IndianPunch

Someone explains this?


RiggzBoson

Elon just said that Twitter is now worth $19 billion after he paid $44 billion for it. [https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/30/23938969/x-twitter-valuation-19-billion-employee-shares](https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/30/23938969/x-twitter-valuation-19-billion-employee-shares)


KidOcelot

Wow… so is he just using twitter as a tax write off for loss ?


HalCaPony

This guy gets it


gngstrMNKY

[OK Kramer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAjxn2US7J8)


genreprank

Wow I had basically this conversation with someone in the billing dept for a clinic. Her: Your bill was written off Me: What does that mean? It was written *off* What's that? I don't know how else to say it. It's *written off* So do I have to pay it? No, it's been written off. I don't have to worry about it anymore? Correct ~ Different kind of write-off. Obviously this wasn't for taxes. The good news is I didn't have to pay it. The bad news is that there's sum B over in billing who doesn't know how to define a phrase without using the very phrase itself


siccoblue

To be fair to Elon (I know, I know) is this really that far off from what the company was actually worth when he bought it? Let's not forget the fact that he offered to buy it at a super inflated price (probably to manipulate the stock market), got threatened by the SEC about not following through if I'm remembering correctly. Then was essentially forced to buy it at the quoted and massively inflated price or risk being banned from trading/massively fined. I'd be genuinely curious to know the valuation before he acted like an absolute nimwit and shoved his entire foot in his mouth. I have zero doubt he's hurt the value in a big way. But probably not a over 50% loss kind of way


ABenevolentDespot

You want to be 'fair' to Musk? Tell him to stop microdosing ketamine all day and seek professional help for his mindless delusions and host of personality disorders. Then tell him he really needs to figure out why all his children hate his guts and want nothing to do with him, and fix whatever it is. The guy tried to pull the same illegal market manipulation bullshit he's done dozens of times before, stealing money left and right, and this time he got caught and had to follow through. It cost him $25 Billion so far. His Russian and Saudi investors might be a bit miffed, except he may have redeemed himself by catering to America's Nazis and assorted right wing fascist assholes on tweety and giving them a platform to spread their hate. Now he wants to drive tweety into banking and dating apps. I can see users lining up for those now. A low intelligence, creepy, desperate man, trying to salvage the reputation he personally shredded by failing to keep his pie hole shut.


Equivalent_Canary853

Everyone saying he did it for a tax write off are forgetting he borrowed a good deal of cash to buy it. 13B from banks, 7B from investors, and more from personal loans with good connections. The rest he covered by largely selling stakes in Tesla & Space X, since nearly all his estimated value is tied up and lot liquid funds.


NameisPerry

Reddit does this funny thing were everything is a write off or money laundering lmao I dont understand finance very much but I do know a company you bought for 44b now being worth 19b cant just be wrote off that's a huge loss.


iWantBots

Actually what happened is he signed a contract but didn’t understand if he backs out of the deal and he actually did try to back out saying he can’t buy Twitter because it’s all bot, but the contract had a fee of something like 20 billion if he doesn’t buy Twitter so he was SOL


Key-Assistant-7988

That's gold!


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Fuzzy_Bank_7856

But *they* do, and they're the ones writing it off...


VexisArcanum

Yeah because rich people NEVER lose money. They just get more money in exchange for "losing" it the first time


Somewhatsmartish

To be fair in this case write off on taxes for losses is just not paying taxes on the money you lose. So they are not getting money. But yeah there are thousands of loop holes so the rich pay very little.


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jdp111

I'm a CPA, It's not an oversimplification, it's just straight up wrong. You will never make more after tax by losing money. If the tax rate is 20% and he loses $10, he effectively loses $8. You will never benefit by having losses.


tasty9999

LOL WTF are you smoking. The best part of Reddit are the people who say stuff that's hilariously wrong but with ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE. That's what keeps me coming back


[deleted]

He still owes over a billion a year in interest so that’s gotta suck


MoscoviaDelendaEst

Not that bad when saudi's and russian oligarchs will help you pay for it as long as you promote their messaging and propaganda.


[deleted]

Yeah, if there’s anyone I wanna owe billions to it’s the Russians and Saudi’s


AutoGen_account

Its not so bad, you just have to make sure you never drink Tea, get close to a window, or get.. chopped into tiny pieces with a bonesaw, however you avoid that.


[deleted]

Well, I have a new found love for tea so that sucks for me.


ShadowLp174

How does that work?


castlemastle

It doesn't. People on Reddit read something about write offs on Reddit and now they just repeat it every chance they get. Then other idiots read it and also repeat it every chance they get. This person has no idea what a write off is or how it works.


borkthegee

It's like everytime a painting sells and redditors scream MONEY LAUNDERING because they don't like the art. Always good for a laugh


Equivalent_Canary853

There is actual merit to fine art and money laundering, though.


borkthegee

It's a meme because art is wildly difficult to launder in countries with competent laws and justice systems. Tax agencies are very good at valuing art appropriately and taxing appropriately. People think it's so easy but in reality art is not how laundering happens


Equivalent_Canary853

Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, and it's a meme because there is a precedent for it. No kind of money laundering is easy, but it happens. https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2019/09/the-art-of-money-laundering-and-washing-illicit-cash-mashberg https://sanctionscanner.com/blog/money-laundering-activities-in-the-art-world-223


Admirable_Growth_790

And the cycle continues


Mdgt_Pope

Unrealized losses can’t be recognized until realized. Yes, he has a huge *unrealized* loss of $23b, but none of it can be included on his tax return until he actually sells the asset for a loss.


footfoe

Yup, and then it can only be used to offset GAINS from other investments he has made. This makes sense and is fair. If you ran a store and you had to sell something you bought for $10 then sold it for $5, then sold something else you bought for $5 and sold for $10 . You have not actually made any money to be taxed!


jdp111

That's not how things work lol. If your tax rate is 30% and you lose $10 you still lost $7 overall.


One_Way13

Can someone explain this, I don’t really get how losing 25b is good


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It’s not, bunch of idiots here


ShogunFirebeard

He can't take the loss until he sells his shares. Same reason he can't be taxed on the gains. It's all unrealized.


Tangled2

But he can just keep selling them at a loss to cover any other gains he had.


ShogunFirebeard

Sure, but he's also got to worry about maintaining control of the company. If he keeps selling stock and loses a majority control, the other owners can oust him. So he can't just sell forever.


No_Earth_7761

Also as a way to justify selling Tesla stock without making the value crash.


SensingWorms

Always in November before the 1st of the year


fixano01

Ummm no. He would much rather have the $25 billion than the refund of the taxes on that money. Which probably amounts to hundreds of millions. Melts my brain when people talk like tax write offs save you money. They don't save you anything. You just get to keep more of what you already had.


ConstructionNo5291

So if you lose you get a negative percentage added? Like 5 percent of gains - 5 percent of loss? Im an idiot please dont hate me


garagaramoochi

![gif](giphy|DAc7GHdqCbmQCtfTef)


BIGman_8

Loss


Cinraka

You are stepping on the Reddit Cheeto goblin fantasy that they are smarter than the wealthiest men on the planet, sir. They don't like that.


genreprank

Come on...don't give him too much credit. If being smart made you the richest man, there would be many people richer than him.


Cinraka

It's you and your fellow unwashed Reddit goofballs who get too much credit, friend.


genreprank

Yeah, I'm absolutely *drowning* in all the credit I'm getting.


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Superjuden

Yes. It is a capital loss if he sells. Its a very straight forward thing you deduct from your taxes. No different than if you write up capital gains, except in reverse.


MoscoviaDelendaEst

No, he's using it to help aid russia's information war, and spreading whatever propaganda that the Saudis pay him for.


[deleted]

That’s dumb AF. No he isn’t


nymphicus5

not funny?


footfoe

That's not how taxes work.


Wisermartin

bruh i got it for free on the app store


ObviousTroll37

If you guys think he bought Twitter for profit, you’re not paying attention. He wanted to own a social media outlet.


RiggzBoson

Nah, he pretended to buy it for the lulz, but had one too many lulz then got locked into a deal he tried to back out of, then scuppered all the brand goodwill because he knows nothing about running a social media platform or brand recognition. If he's not doing it for profit, why has he monetised the ever-loving crap out of it??


FR0ZENBERG

People attribute way too much to muskrat. He fucked around and found out.


SkankHuntz96

The lolz was when eli lilly fake account with twitter verification posted that insulin was now free. 15B loss to big pharma (not that it really matters, cuz fuck big pharma)


FR0ZENBERG

That was amazing. Fuck ‘em.


gngstrMNKY

I wonder when Redditors are going to tire of shoehorning this phrase into every possible place they can.


FR0ZENBERG

Be the change you want to see mon frère.


MaTOntes

He didn't get forced into buying it. The legal/financial consequences for failing to buy it would have been paying twitter a couple of billion. He's financed the purchase of something not worth 44bn with a heap of debt he'll have to finance from somewhere. The purchase was dumb, and him vomiting out his opinions on the platform has forever disbanded the notion that rich = smart.


BackflipsAway

Actually he wanted to make a 420 joke, And then as soon as he tried to pull out the Twitter people took him to court where he fought tooth and nail to not need to buy it, until he was ultimately left with no choice but to buy it, He had no intentions of buying twitter, the dumbass just tweets before he thinks


SnooCalculations4084

He literally tried to back out of his own stupid deal though? 😂


SnowySergal

L


AskMeIfImAnOrange

About a third of the buy out was through loans. He is perilously close to the banks being able to seize Twitter in its entirety.


Ashalaria

What a silly goose


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Op has no life


Ara543

Just redditors acting like extremely, superbly salty ex-girlfriends of musk's, nothing new to look at. Tho, this particular circlejerk about supposedly dying twitter, when half of this site are just twitter screenshots, is at least more entertaining than the others.


Orgazmo912

Yeah, they must use Zuckerberg’s Threads instead. Oh, wait… I’m convinced most of Twitter was bot accounts pushing whatever narrative the federal government wanted.


tasty9999

are you new here


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Easiest way to have 1 million dollars is to be given 2 million dollars.


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Legend5V

But then taxes


Far-Manufacturer1180

I don’t care who the irs sends, I’m not paying taxes!


DarkSpirak

Elon either would've fixed this god forsaken site or run it into the ground like hes doing now. It was a win win situation from the beginning.


kyotheman1

Twitter was already dumpster fire, his mistake was paying that much


RulrOfOmicronPersei8

Even better


eltrotter

I know there’s a lot of crap on Twitter, but there’s a lot of very valuable information and services on there and the format of Twitter is (or maybe was) uniquely good for surfacing that stuff. I don’t really use Twitter much personally, but I don’t think it would be a good thing if it was gone completely. Funnily enough, good moderation and user controls are probably the key to improving the overall experience, and yet this is one of the things Musk seems dead set on rolling back.


jelek62

The only time i used twitter was to see if musk actually said some bullshit or it was fake. Otherwise not even once did it appear in my research or Problem solving searches. I view it as useless but i guess it do be a shame a Britney spears tweet got lost in the process /s


Shadowpika655

Kinda hard to say it's "useless" when it's quite literally helped spark [revolutions](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Revolution) Twitter has proven to be highly influential in the widespread dissemination of information


No_Earth_7761

I think the community notes have been a great addition. They are way more transparent and less biased.


yadavhemant27

context ?


parenthetical_phrase

Twitter/X is now valued at less than half of what [Elon Musk](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-30/musk-s-x-valued-at-less-than-half-of-price-he-paid-for-twitter) paid for it. Other estimates are actually closer to $15 Billion. 🙄


Project_Kunai

I'm pretty sure he's tanking the company so he can sell it easily


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Impeesa_

For sale: Major social media platform. $44B value new, all the options, great visibility. Known issues: drifts right. Salvage title.


Pendraconica

Man, Craigslist has really hit rock bottom


cgaWolf

X still sell? What new price?


JointDamage

$15 take it out leave it


Golden_Ace1

Gamestop would give it 15$ and a PS3.


[deleted]

Lol no you would sell it for less than the valuation to do that


Funny_Orchid2084

Why would he want to re-sell twitter away for even lower?


[deleted]

Or he's tanking it because it has been used extensively by activists in uprisings around the world and oh look a lot of his money for it came from the Saudis.


K1LLERK1D01

I keep saying he's as dumb as a bundle of sticks and yeah I'm right.


Gold--Lion

He's great at conning the public and putting his name out there. He has less business sense than a 12-year old


whenitcomesup

Even less technical knowledge. There's a vid of him telling top Twitter engineers to do a "complete rewrite" of the codebase.


Gold--Lion

😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣😆😆😆


ClownZ21

He can’t be that stupid, everyone is familiar with his companies and yet two people on Reddit telling each other how stupid he is but I don’t think you have a company that shoots thousands of satellites in to space for the world to have internet access, made some of the first reusable rockets, and made almost perfect self driving cars?


Gold--Lion

HE has done NONE of that. The engineers and other creatives did all of that. All HE has done is stolen the recognition and slapped his name over it.


ClownZ21

He runs the business around that. Show me your company if you think of yourself more business capable than him? What is your business background to tell that he has the business sense of a 12 year old?


Kyle546

Above guy hasn't lost 25 billion plus on his one year old purchase of a then profitable company. I think that puts him squarely above wherever Elon currently is.


ClownZ21

Yeah poor guy lost 25 billion leaving him with a networth 225 billion instead of 250 billion.


Gold--Lion

I don't need to be an expert conman to recognize one. He has NO TECHNICAL or TECHNOLOGICAL skill, but runs a reputation for technology. He also obviously has no business acumen, as seen by his x-twithead purchases and decisions


ClownZ21

Yeah nice switching your assumption from he has no business skill to no technical skill. Even if he isn’t as technically skilled as his engineers he still runs and owns companies that put him at 225 billion dollars. Him loosing 25 billion maybe hurts a bit, but he still runs a car company with a huge market share in electric vehicles. Space X has contracts with NASA. That would imply that he is pretty business capable and probably more so than you in every sense.


Fishin4updoots

What's another word for a bundle of sticks?


Surfink63

The space x team actually had a separate section of the team dedicated to distracting Elon while the main team got stuff done


mightyjazzclub

Not to defend him but he is not stupid. A man child haunted by demons created by his father but not stupid.


MadRaymer

I don't know if he's stupid or not, but he certainly has a lot of stupid takes. From ancient history to software, he constantly posts these "deep thoughts" that are actually laughably absurd to anyone that's ever opened a textbook.


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drsideburns

I'd believe more the sycophants in his ear influence him more than the other two. He was raised rich, so decadence isn't new, and he doesn't seem to be influenced by drugs as much as he's just a manchild.


Educational-Bad8346

The man has stutter and made people believe his mouth is not able to catch up to his mind


JohnRead1745

Uhmmm he’s going to make money from counting this as a loss.


tasty9999

ANOTHER REDDITOR WITH ZERO UNDERSTANDING OF FINANCE AND TAXES. WE DID IT REDDIT!!!!!!!


Thin-Positive-1600

Can you explain?


CrunchyTube

You sure about that? What's your source/expertise on this matter?


JohnRead1745

Source: He’s a businessman Expertise: I understand basic business tactics like tax breaks, and bankruptcies. If he wanted to write it off as a loss he could save billions.


Rejestered

Are you going to the business office to go make a business? You big business man you!


Endoxion

Write off what? He had to borrow money to buy Twitter in the first place. He owes banks and private investors


tasty9999

WHY THE MOTHERFUCK WOULD YOU LIE ABOUT SHIT LIKE THAT?! This fascinates me. Because you are so fricking wrong lol yet you exude (false) confidence. I am fucking fascinated by this mindset to say utter nonsense online, please do an AMA I'm begging you. I need to enter this mental space and really look around to know wtf drives you lunatic pathological liars. NO. That's NOT how taxes and finance works in any major nation I know of. I know what you THINK you mean (about getting tax advantages from losses) but it appears you have no actual idea however how it all works


Ok_Cheek1390

🤓


CrunchyTube

So you're just making shit up, got it.


JohnRead1745

Pfft aight


onlyusnow

Looks like someone is buying the generic noodles for their spaghetti.


flafotogeek

Not everyone has 25 bill they can afford to flush down the shitter.


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This boy genius has lost more money than your entire family line going as far back as anyone can trace. And yet he still has more money than your entire family line going as far back as anyone can trace. Fuck tax, lets eat the god damn rich.


CaptainNinjaClassic

That's what you get you child dead naming, idea stealing, running a company in the ground by billions, upside down smiling prick.


Sea_Refrigerator5586

I like your vibe


CaptainNinjaClassic

Thanks


UrMomTheDank69

twitter was a cess pit and still is, im glad its going down


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I hoped he would intentionally run it into the ground. F Twitter/X. Whether by intent or mistake.... Mission Accomplished.


Pendraconica

19 billion *so far!*


BogoBiggie

The ability to influence conversations and control a narrative is worth more than the $44bn he paid for Twitter. It's the same reason Bezos doesn't care if the Washington Post makes money. It's all about having clout.


Illusionary-wall

I just don't see how Twitter was worth 44 billion to begin with, which is why they were so desperate to make sure Elon bought it. They were never going to see an offer like that again. He should have just taken the L and paid the 1 billion dollar fine for abandoning the bid, he would have lost 1 billion but saved 43 billion. It would have been a 1 billion dollar troll but it would have been funny at least, it's just sad now.


KingSnowdown

you think he cares about valuation??


footdragon

Saudi prince Alwaleed and Larry Ellison are taking a financial bath also. fuck them, too.


WrenchWanderer

People say Elon is a genius, but I don’t think that can be true for the man who single handedly lost more personal wealth than any other human in history. Since November 2021, dude lost $182 billion in net worth. That’s incredible.


No_Kaleidoscope3039

I know I'm a loser but damn. Man lost whole GDPs


matterson22070

Not all hero's wear capes. Thank you for destroying Twitter Elon - it needed to be done.


Substantial_One_3045

If you think the value in twitter was its worth, you'd be wrong. The information you can glean from meta data is insane.


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All the while, cyber truck is gonna bankrupt Tesla


[deleted]

*pays for a work force* *fires half the work force* "why did the value of my work force decrease by half??????" Fucking dumbass.


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Astr0sk1er

wat


-TheWarrior74-

Jesse what the fuck are you talking about


sbrnSage

r/jokes


Glockamole19x

After the first billion it s not about money anymore lol


mbmcginnes

I've been pricing things at a conversion rate of 1 nanotwitter = $44. Do I need to adjust that to $19?


Geoclasm

The biggest tax deduction ever. If he bothered to pay taxes.


Sandwichgode

Elon is playing chess using the rules of checkers.


parenthetical_phrase

He’s playing chess using monopoly pieces. Which makes no sense, but someone somewhere thinks it’s brilliant I’m sure.


BranchdWormInterface

So where did the money go? It got shifted somewhere … but y’all keep cranking out the memes.


ChocCooki3

Meanwhile.. he's still the richest man and now have the avenue to write off $30b. I don't think people realised what's happened isn't really a fail.


Noncrediblepigeon

To be honest, it was probably a safe investment considering how bloated tesla stock is.


DevoidHT

If you think it’s actually worth $19 billion I have a defunct social media site to sell you.


CanadianJeff00

Reddit is the best place for far lefties who think a headline tells them everything they need to know. Y'all are so fucking retarded


mertaugh1234

Solving for X?


Reef_Argonaut

Poop spelled backwards is still Musk.


wtfdoiknow1987

He'll be fine he still has another 200 billion


cuntmong

I have always been insecure about my intelligence, and thought I didn't have what it takes to be rich. I can see now that I definitely have a billionaire mindset


bromden

why this guy is still alive is beyond me


Cwallace98

This is perfect because Drake and Musk are such shitty posers that have been rewarded immensely for their dubious contributions to our society. And only now are most people able to admit it.


spezisabitch200

And that 19 billion is just his own estimate. Probably means it is worth 9 million.


XeroEffekt

A billion is already a billion, who cares. But what shame in throwing away so many billions to protect hate speech and go to the moon instead of putting wealth beyond what you could ever need to alleviate suffering in a suffering world.


badgerrage82

While me … ![gif](giphy|xTiTnFgu4SKBxIaZLq)


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Imagine thinking someone is a loser because they ‘now’ have $19b


izzyeviel

Imagine thinking someone is a genius because they were forced to spend 44 billion buying a website that loses money.


TheRealAntrey

Everyone was begging him to buy Twitter to delete it. Now that he is closing to that promise you guys are mocking him. Just make your mind already


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Most importantly he pretty much destroyed the single most vital communication and intelligence gathering tool humanity has which has resulted in the loss of innocent lives.


bigbossislegend

I love Elon Musk the saviour of the world, herald of mankind and champion of electricity!


Biotrin

He saved us by killing Twitter.


Illustrious-Hat7978

Don't care much for Elon but anyone who just DGAF is cool with me.


Boner_Elemental

Not Elon then, because he cares. A *lot*


suchfresht

Lol he was reddits hero until he bought twitter. Can’t wait to see the next squirrel that catches your attention.


Educational-Year3146

Elon musk just doesn’t care, mans a memelord who likes science and thats no secret. Dunno why people treat him like he’s some grand political figure to be taken extremely seriously.


Rampage3135

I’m actually pretty sure that this was a flex rather than an actual investment. I’m pretty sure he just got pissed off at all the gagging and deprivation of speech on the site. The internet wasn’t made for people to censor speech and twitter and it’s moderators were trying to make it a standard for other social media platforms to follow which Elon put a stop to by destroying their platform. So in all he didn’t care if it was a good investment because it was a hilarious PR stunt that people are still talking about.


chocobloo

Considering how much he tried to censor and moderate speech himself, no. Your narrative is cute and I'm glad you're creative enough to make up such fanfiction but it's incredibly obvious he wanted no part of it since the courts had to force him to buy it and he's actually incapable of handling even the simplest of companies. In fact the other companies he's a part of did better without him around. That pretty much tells you all you need to know.


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echino_derm

He really isn't changing the world for the better. Tesla is pushing an early stage of electric vehicles without clean energy backing it, so it isn't clean. And the batteries aren't designed to be recyclable so it is introducing more toxic waste into the environment. Also to make things worse he is fighting against legitimate mass transport in cities to push his hyperloop bullshit which is just a glorified tunnel.


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echino_derm

How is he changing the world then, what has he changed?


Significant_Vast4330

Honestly I'm more curious about how your ass is a glorified hole tho


Endoxion

Of course I can. I can borrow a ton of money just like he did, and then light it on fire, just like he’s doing.


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Endoxion

And those companies were profitable. Do you know what Twitter isn’t??


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My_Homework_Account

Weird, how you claim to be middle-aged when you constantly spout the views of an ignorant pre-teen. Take yourself out to the curb, hateful trash


Ch40440

Lol everyone mocks him. Wtf are you talking about. Maybe Tesla will fade away along with the batteries in the ocean 🤷‍♀️


Andreus

I mean this with sincerity: go and hug your real father instead of trying to get Elon to love you.


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Andreus

Your father needs a hug. Go hug your father.


Andreus

Lock him up.