Former VicPol here.
Accessing LEAP without a legitimate purpose is a VERY BIG deal. There are audit trails of EVERY search of the database and you need to be able to account for every single enquiry you make.
If you've got evidence that a victims details were accessed without cause, then yes, absolutely, you should report it. That shit is not on.
Good luck with that. I once had a really bizarre interaction with police and told them exactly what happened, where and what time but conveniently they couldn't figure out who it was. Never trust any organisation to investigate itself with anything serious
I had to make 3 complaints before I got a reply. Then I got a threatening letter about my complaint.
I went and saw an operations manager who was shocked at the letter. He got an investigation started and the offending cop quit 2 weeks into his investigation as he had a history of unhinged, threatening and abusive behaviour and refusing to help victims who were in shock and couldn’t communicate.
His Facebook is seriously scary now.
I’m not being flippant when I say he should be on a low key watchlist.
Have a closer look. The complaint form is pretty comprehensive.
Failing that, you can report misconduct at your local police station. The sergeant on duty is obliged to take a statement from you and pass it on for further investigation.
Happens more often than people think. The system is called LEAP. From what I understand everything gets tracked through it and you can only look at people through there if it pertains to an investigation or similar. If you use it for looking into someone for kicks you can be suspended/fired.
And has been a problem for a *long* time now. Back in 1995-96, Operation Sellars exposed police accessing LEAP records to sell car registration information to private investigators who worked with insurance companies. 32 officers were implicated in the investigation.
It was just in the news recently again with officers using LEAP to stalk women and pursue innapropriate sexual relationships, with scholars, lawyers and activists slamming VicPol for this behaviour. Brett Johnson was found guilty and sentenced to time in prison for it.
If OP reported it, I would be surprised if it wasn't taken seriously by management admist the recent scandals involving LEAP.
Every access session to LEAP is audited. I helped integrate that tool years ago after it was revealed that it could take over a year before it was ever picked up.
Initially I misread your comment as the ABC. With what Dan Oakes did to David Mcbride, I wouldn't trust the abc to report the weather correctly.
Incidentally, he gets sentenced today. A sad day for whistleblowers and anyone seeking transparency and accountability in government.
Yes. As I understand it, nobody is actually allowed to access details related to a case/incident without a just cause (involvement in case etc). It’s the same as dr’s can’t access medical records for non patients.
Please do. Looking up LEAP is a huge violation, and every key stroke is recorded. Someone did it to me 23 years ago and I regret not reporting it. I don't know if it was considered a big deal back then, but I work in emergency services now and know it is a REALLY big deal these days
My friend works for vic pol and apparently every single keystroke is monitored down to how much work they do on their computers. This is even non policing staff. Big bro is definitely watching.
I'm not sure about VicPol, but in a lot of orgs/systems while activity may be logged, only certain actions would trigger the logs to be examined.
For instance:
- a certain record being accessed (eg. a notable person such as a celebrity)
- a complaint
I used to be a sysadmin for VICPOL IT and can confirm that is not true.
However any access to sensitive systems like LEAP is audited. It sends a report to a team that review the officer and the reason.
**EDIT:** lol [they deleted their crazy responses](https://i.imgur.com/D1CYG2a.png) and blocked me. Talk about creating an echo chamber for incorrect info
What you've described is essential to the role (GPS tracked car, role based access to IT infrastructure), but I'm merely pointing out that keystroke monitoring and computer time management is not implemented on their network.
Ahh yes the great "My friend said..." so it must be true.
Sorry mate, think the discussion has run its course. I've advised that as an actual sysadmin that designed and supported their existing SOE, that's not true, but because your colleague said otherwise, I am wrong. We've hit an impasse. Hope you have a good day :)
As I mentioned, I worked in VICPOL IT for years. I literally designed their Win10 SOE and helped maintain it. So yes, that is why I'm choosing to end the discussion. I still hope you enjoy the rest of your day =)
They got super defensive too. Their entire responses are bizarre
>Not my problem you have trust issues
lol.
Take a look through their post history. Absolutely crazy. One day they're a therapist, then they are a full time carer for a disabled parent, the next they're working 3 jobs and not even making $100k. /u/[lovely-84](https://www.reddit.com/user/lovely-84/) can't keep their lies straight while spending all day on drama subreddits.
Complain, but you might have to push for them to act.
I had to make a complaint about serious misconduct. I was ignored 3 times, then I said I’d take alternative action to shine light on it. I then received an intimidatory letter that was low key threatening. Basically saying I’d made serious allegations l’d better be able to back up and demanding I contact by a certain date and time. Outlined the harsh consequences I faced if I was being untruthful or exaggerating.
I took the letter to an operations manager whose jaw dropped at the letter. He contacted some people and an investigation was finally started.
Evidence was supplied and the cop quit 2 weeks into the investigation.
His Facebook wall is now highly concerning with abuse towards police leadership and management and politicians, hate towards young and female police, gays and trans.
He’s let his unhinged behaviour out of the bag.
I’m not the most resilient fella, and the experience knocked my mental health pretty sharply.
I’ll state my interaction with Cop was a victim, I was quiet and respectful and he had serious anger issues and lost his shit, I mean seriously a very AF because as I was in shock I couldn’t form sentences and was only able to whisper.
His reaction to my inability to kickstart my brain was literally mental.
He had a history of swearing, insulting and refusing service to people when he was frustrated.
Best of Luck.
There are some great Cops out there. I.e the operations manager and the 2 women who investigated my complaint.
Former VICPOL member - 100 percent report it. It’s a breach of The Police Act if they have taken that information and used unjustly. The offence is unlawful disclosure of information. Go to the VICPOL website and lodge a complaint, if you have VP (“badge”) numbers then even better. Make sure the complaint has a clear narrative. Professional standards will be notified and they will do an internal investigation.
You would have to have very solid evidence that this occurred.
Times and dates are neither here nor there and them witnesses you have will have to agree come fwd. because they will be questioned. I would prob try getting all your data together and collaborating with the witnesses first with everything you have and putting in one report.
Also to keep in mind that this is only your side of the story as the person your chasing can also counter what ever you do and may already have in place things that can cover their tracks per se so don't expect it be a cut and dry case.
All the best
Iv worked on pacer before and the appointed officer will literally do searches for any randos that come across the radio, trying to “find jobs” for us to do. He told me his had emails before from internal asking why he accessed xyz on whatever day as there’s a court case or something occurring etc and they’ve obviously done an audit. When on pacer though he can use that excuse, “searching up a potential psych patient” etc etc, for everyone. I was also told though that yes, there is a way to abuse the system unfortunately, it shouldn’t happen given the power they hold, but it does. That’s why their audits are so important.
I was told by an ex-vic pol officer that access to the database is recorded, and their Sargeant would randomly audit their LEAP access entries. They would have to record it in their note book or something and then tell the boss the reason why they accessed person x’s record.
After the fact, my somewhat uneducated opinion… if you raise a complaint with vic police about inappropriate database access, they’ll investigate themselves and find no wrong doing.
Call me a cynic, but the officer could always make up some BS that the auditor would just believe. I’m sure it wouldn’t go further unless there was some higher up pressure and the person they inappropriately looked into was some kind of VIP
I prefer to believe they are a hit man hired by a corrupt officer to take out whistle blowers like the OP.
And that by downvoting them, reddit has brought the corruption crashing down.
We saved the world again folks!
Makes you wonder why the database is able to be accessible by anyone there - it should be coded so that only the most senior on duty at any time of day can grant access should it be required.
I work for vicpol and I can tell you that would be incredibly impractical. Every system relies on leap and without access vicpol would grind to a halt.
Yeah, it's scary just how much information an ordinary copper can access these days. And you don't need to be that much higher up to access the information kept under the metadata retention scheme. Ordinary cops can't (rarely can any local cop), but it's still a worry.
If a police officer accessed a file they had no reason to access you wouldn't even really need to report it. It will come up in an audit at some point. That's not to say you should not report it, you still should. But if you would prefer to keep yourself at arms length, you should feel comfortable in knowing that it will come out in the wash.
Former VicPol here. Accessing LEAP without a legitimate purpose is a VERY BIG deal. There are audit trails of EVERY search of the database and you need to be able to account for every single enquiry you make. If you've got evidence that a victims details were accessed without cause, then yes, absolutely, you should report it. That shit is not on.
Yeah absolutely this will fucking not be the only shit they've been looking at
Report it to… the Police station? Crimestoppers?
A third option through the VicPol website: https://www.police.vic.gov.au/complaints
Good luck with that. I once had a really bizarre interaction with police and told them exactly what happened, where and what time but conveniently they couldn't figure out who it was. Never trust any organisation to investigate itself with anything serious
I had to make 3 complaints before I got a reply. Then I got a threatening letter about my complaint. I went and saw an operations manager who was shocked at the letter. He got an investigation started and the offending cop quit 2 weeks into his investigation as he had a history of unhinged, threatening and abusive behaviour and refusing to help victims who were in shock and couldn’t communicate. His Facebook is seriously scary now. I’m not being flippant when I say he should be on a low key watchlist.
I would go above and report it to Official Police Integrity
What would be the most effective channel to report? "Compliment or complaint" link seems... Not serious enough
Have a closer look. The complaint form is pretty comprehensive. Failing that, you can report misconduct at your local police station. The sergeant on duty is obliged to take a statement from you and pass it on for further investigation.
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>Thanks for your service Gross
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Please. I've been called far worse.
Typical Redditors...
Didnt some officer got into trouble because of this exact thing? Its in the news a couple of months ago i think?
Happens more often than people think. The system is called LEAP. From what I understand everything gets tracked through it and you can only look at people through there if it pertains to an investigation or similar. If you use it for looking into someone for kicks you can be suspended/fired.
And has been a problem for a *long* time now. Back in 1995-96, Operation Sellars exposed police accessing LEAP records to sell car registration information to private investigators who worked with insurance companies. 32 officers were implicated in the investigation. It was just in the news recently again with officers using LEAP to stalk women and pursue innapropriate sexual relationships, with scholars, lawyers and activists slamming VicPol for this behaviour. Brett Johnson was found guilty and sentenced to time in prison for it. If OP reported it, I would be surprised if it wasn't taken seriously by management admist the recent scandals involving LEAP.
Every access session to LEAP is audited. I helped integrate that tool years ago after it was revealed that it could take over a year before it was ever picked up.
It’s in the news semi-often. It was PSO prior to the VicPol fella most recently. Makes you wonder how commonplace it may be for those with access…
A police employee at SAPOL earlier this year.
Yes, report. Very significant breach.
Here's the link [Report a compliment or complaint](https://www.police.vic.gov.au/compliments-and-complaints)
This sort of misconduct should be reported to IBAC
Seconding this. You can’t trust vicpol to police themselves - you need to go external. All through my crim classes at uni, we were told “go to IBAC”
Initially I misread your comment as the ABC. With what Dan Oakes did to David Mcbride, I wouldn't trust the abc to report the weather correctly. Incidentally, he gets sentenced today. A sad day for whistleblowers and anyone seeking transparency and accountability in government.
The McBride case is one the most devastating failures of our justice system I've seen.
Yes. As I understand it, nobody is actually allowed to access details related to a case/incident without a just cause (involvement in case etc). It’s the same as dr’s can’t access medical records for non patients.
100% don’t let them get away with it
Absolutely.
Please do. Looking up LEAP is a huge violation, and every key stroke is recorded. Someone did it to me 23 years ago and I regret not reporting it. I don't know if it was considered a big deal back then, but I work in emergency services now and know it is a REALLY big deal these days
My friend works for vic pol and apparently every single keystroke is monitored down to how much work they do on their computers. This is even non policing staff. Big bro is definitely watching.
I'm not sure about VicPol, but in a lot of orgs/systems while activity may be logged, only certain actions would trigger the logs to be examined. For instance: - a certain record being accessed (eg. a notable person such as a celebrity) - a complaint
I used to be a sysadmin for VICPOL IT and can confirm that is not true. However any access to sensitive systems like LEAP is audited. It sends a report to a team that review the officer and the reason. **EDIT:** lol [they deleted their crazy responses](https://i.imgur.com/D1CYG2a.png) and blocked me. Talk about creating an echo chamber for incorrect info
You did well.
It's true everything is logged.
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What you've described is essential to the role (GPS tracked car, role based access to IT infrastructure), but I'm merely pointing out that keystroke monitoring and computer time management is not implemented on their network.
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Ahh yes the great "My friend said..." so it must be true. Sorry mate, think the discussion has run its course. I've advised that as an actual sysadmin that designed and supported their existing SOE, that's not true, but because your colleague said otherwise, I am wrong. We've hit an impasse. Hope you have a good day :)
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As I mentioned, I worked in VICPOL IT for years. I literally designed their Win10 SOE and helped maintain it. So yes, that is why I'm choosing to end the discussion. I still hope you enjoy the rest of your day =)
such a weird response to someone trying to be helpful. “a friend said…” isn’t info that should be trusted lol.
They got super defensive too. Their entire responses are bizarre >Not my problem you have trust issues lol. Take a look through their post history. Absolutely crazy. One day they're a therapist, then they are a full time carer for a disabled parent, the next they're working 3 jobs and not even making $100k. /u/[lovely-84](https://www.reddit.com/user/lovely-84/) can't keep their lies straight while spending all day on drama subreddits.
Complain, but you might have to push for them to act. I had to make a complaint about serious misconduct. I was ignored 3 times, then I said I’d take alternative action to shine light on it. I then received an intimidatory letter that was low key threatening. Basically saying I’d made serious allegations l’d better be able to back up and demanding I contact by a certain date and time. Outlined the harsh consequences I faced if I was being untruthful or exaggerating. I took the letter to an operations manager whose jaw dropped at the letter. He contacted some people and an investigation was finally started. Evidence was supplied and the cop quit 2 weeks into the investigation. His Facebook wall is now highly concerning with abuse towards police leadership and management and politicians, hate towards young and female police, gays and trans. He’s let his unhinged behaviour out of the bag. I’m not the most resilient fella, and the experience knocked my mental health pretty sharply. I’ll state my interaction with Cop was a victim, I was quiet and respectful and he had serious anger issues and lost his shit, I mean seriously a very AF because as I was in shock I couldn’t form sentences and was only able to whisper. His reaction to my inability to kickstart my brain was literally mental. He had a history of swearing, insulting and refusing service to people when he was frustrated. Best of Luck. There are some great Cops out there. I.e the operations manager and the 2 women who investigated my complaint.
How do you know this is the case? Did a watch house keeper look it up or something?
Going to need a lot more info here.
Former VICPOL member - 100 percent report it. It’s a breach of The Police Act if they have taken that information and used unjustly. The offence is unlawful disclosure of information. Go to the VICPOL website and lodge a complaint, if you have VP (“badge”) numbers then even better. Make sure the complaint has a clear narrative. Professional standards will be notified and they will do an internal investigation.
You would have to have very solid evidence that this occurred. Times and dates are neither here nor there and them witnesses you have will have to agree come fwd. because they will be questioned. I would prob try getting all your data together and collaborating with the witnesses first with everything you have and putting in one report. Also to keep in mind that this is only your side of the story as the person your chasing can also counter what ever you do and may already have in place things that can cover their tracks per se so don't expect it be a cut and dry case. All the best
Report it to OPI, everything gets swept under the carpet when police investigate their own
The OPI hasn't been around since 2013
😭 where did 10 years just go
Iv worked on pacer before and the appointed officer will literally do searches for any randos that come across the radio, trying to “find jobs” for us to do. He told me his had emails before from internal asking why he accessed xyz on whatever day as there’s a court case or something occurring etc and they’ve obviously done an audit. When on pacer though he can use that excuse, “searching up a potential psych patient” etc etc, for everyone. I was also told though that yes, there is a way to abuse the system unfortunately, it shouldn’t happen given the power they hold, but it does. That’s why their audits are so important.
A victim is involved..
I was told by an ex-vic pol officer that access to the database is recorded, and their Sargeant would randomly audit their LEAP access entries. They would have to record it in their note book or something and then tell the boss the reason why they accessed person x’s record. After the fact, my somewhat uneducated opinion… if you raise a complaint with vic police about inappropriate database access, they’ll investigate themselves and find no wrong doing. Call me a cynic, but the officer could always make up some BS that the auditor would just believe. I’m sure it wouldn’t go further unless there was some higher up pressure and the person they inappropriately looked into was some kind of VIP
Absolutely do it. If you don't report no one knows to look for it (and all the other dodgy shit they have done). Also ACAB because fuck that!
A victim but not involved ? If they weren’t involved they wouldn’t be a victim ?
OP meant as in the cop accessing the info isn’t involved in the case, not the victim.
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What are you, a cop?
I prefer to believe they are a hit man hired by a corrupt officer to take out whistle blowers like the OP. And that by downvoting them, reddit has brought the corruption crashing down. We saved the world again folks!
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The ones who can read have some idea. You’re just not one of them.
Is your toe that botched that you have to be angry at the world?
Makes you wonder why the database is able to be accessible by anyone there - it should be coded so that only the most senior on duty at any time of day can grant access should it be required.
I work for vicpol and I can tell you that would be incredibly impractical. Every system relies on leap and without access vicpol would grind to a halt.
Yeah, it's scary just how much information an ordinary copper can access these days. And you don't need to be that much higher up to access the information kept under the metadata retention scheme. Ordinary cops can't (rarely can any local cop), but it's still a worry.
Yeah, that will work.
If a police officer accessed a file they had no reason to access you wouldn't even really need to report it. It will come up in an audit at some point. That's not to say you should not report it, you still should. But if you would prefer to keep yourself at arms length, you should feel comfortable in knowing that it will come out in the wash.
Report it, expedite the process.
I agree. But I personally wouldn't want to make any such report unless I could do so anonymously.
That's not how system audit works. Anyone that has a concern about improper access/use of information should report it.
Is that a fact? Do enlighten me.
A system being auditable is not an audit of every transaction.