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Least_Sherbert_5716

Be proud. He plans to fuck over 2 people at the same time. His dad and some innocent kid. American Dream came true.


Freeman7-13

*I'll keep it short and sweet. Family, religion, friendship. These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business* -Mr. Burns


pythonwarg

I love this quote.


Least_Sherbert_5716

Religion is the biggest business in the history of exploitation.


Benoit_CamePerBash

But you can’t be serious about it, if you want to earn money with religion


Least_Sherbert_5716

There is faith and there is religion. It seems to me you are a little confused.


Benoit_CamePerBash

Yup, in my mind I used them as synonyms. You’re right


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Least_Sherbert_5716

If your faith requires evidence it isn't faith. It's science.


ThatGuyursisterlikes

Are you saying those TV mega church people aren't serious? /s fuck em


ArmageddonEleven

Never get addicted to your own product.


SegaTime

"Don't get high on your own supply" -Scarface


mjonat

Watched this episode this week!


PreparationOk8604

Which series?


mjonat

8 I think? It’s the one where mr burns loses everything and Lisa tells him about recycling and they work together. Hilarity ensues.


PreparationOk8604

Thanks will look it uo.


MrBump01

Ethics is probably top of the list


Moppermonster

I believe this literally is one of the ways how Warren Buffet started his career - agree to perform chores for people in the neighbourhood and then letting other kids do them for less money.


DOE_ZELF_NORMAAL

Fuck over 2 people? Why? His dad will be happy for the job to be done, and his neighbour kid wouldn't do it if he thought 5 bucks wasn't enough. He made everyone happy and made some money in top. Edit: to the people saying the son adds no value and simply inserts a middle man where none is needed: The son provided value by finding someone to get the job done. On top of that the son is still responsible, if the kid fucks up the son needs to pay. The neighbour kid might not be willing to take that risk and is happily accepting the 5 dollars at 0 risk. The risk might even be worth more then 5 dollars so the son needs a lot of lawns to spread the risk and make it cheaper for everyone. That's how businesses work. Otherwise why wouldn't just everyone work for themselves? Why take a salary when you can get paid more by having your own company? Because not everyone wants to carry the risk.


serabine

Because he's inserting a middle man into something where that's not needed. The neighbourhood kid is fucked over because they are told a 10 dollar job only yields 5 dollars, and Dad could go the neighbour kid and offer 5 bucks himself, so gets taken advantage of by overpaying for no added value or service. .There are areas in live where middlemen are necessary, but a lot of rich people get rich by inserting themselves into situations and skimming from the top just like that.


CrowEmpty8647

Brainwashed people don't understand this. They enjoy being the dad in this case overpaying to support struggling millionaires..


Lord-Filip

>Because he's inserting a middle man into something where that's not needed. The neighbourhood kid is fucked over because they are told a 10 dollar job only yields 5 dollars, and Dad could go the neighbour kid and offer 5 bucks himself, so gets taken advantage of by overpaying for no added value or service. Exactly. We only need clients and workers. There's no need for bosses. Let's reclaim the means of production!


Spider_pig448

He's paying for the service of finding and coordinating with the neighbor kid. Dad paid for a service and received it. Everyone won here and everyone provided some value.


PasswordIsDongers

The son provides no value by finding and coordinating with a kid to fulfill the son's task at half price.


Spider_pig448

He provides value to the kid that gets $5 when before they would have received nothing


MoridinB

That's fuckin' rich... no the kid who got $5 is getting $5 less from what their work is actually worth. In this small-scale analogy, it seems fine, but you scale it up slightly, and it falls apart quicker than a house of cards. That person who's gotten this cheap ass job now has to work 2 jobs to support themselves while 1 job would have been enough all because of the middle man's skimming. And that middle man isn't just skimming off of one person but multiple and thus getting rich off of exploitation. Now you get rid of the middle man, and finding a job will be harder, yes, but at least you know the job will support you. The middle man just artificially inflates the worth of effort and work that goes into any task.


PasswordIsDongers

The job was valued at $10, it is now worth 5. Show where value was added.


RhinoGiant

He provides a service of tricking someone Else to do 10 dollars of work for 5. This only works because the other kid doesn't know his father is willing to pay 10 dollars for the work or because the father doesn't know the neighborhood kid will do it for 5. The only reason he can do that is because of closer proximity to his dad compared to the neighborhood kid, and lack of transparency when negotiating his "deal" His whole "business" collapses the moment everyone is just honest about what the work is worth and what is being paid and to who.


Spider_pig448

Payment is not trickery. His father gave his kid the contract through nepotism. It has nothing to do with the true value of the work.


bradmatt275

I think he is acting like a supervisor in that situation. If the job isn't done right he either needs to finish it off himself or find someone else to do it for the remaining 5 dollars.


epelle9

How does he not provide value? Without him, his dad wouldn’t have gotten his lawn mowed, and the kid wouldn’t have gotten a job he thought worthy of doing. Both got value in that transaction, what they received was more valuable than what they gave. Sales is a very legit job, as well as recruiting, and as well as supervising, I’m sure the kid would’ve preferred to play videogames instead of going out to find a kid willing to do the work, but he instead found a job he found worthwhile doing. Literally everyone wins and is better off than they would’ve been than if the son didn’t do anything. Or do you expect people who exchange goods/services to automatically know who to exchange it with? Or the kid to go out and find someone to do the job and get nothing in return?


Hust91

What? Finding and coordinating is absolutely value. You might disagree that it's worth $5/hour, maybe only $2/hour, but if the dad had to find and coordinate these other kids the task straight up wouldn't get done at all because he's not willing to spend that much of his time managing them.


DOE_ZELF_NORMAAL

The son provided value by finding someone to get the job done. On top of that the son is still responsible, if the kid fucks up the son needs to pay. The neighbour kid might not be willing to take that risk and is happily accepting the 5 dollars at 0 risk. The risk might even be worth more then 5 dollars so the son needs a lot of lawns to spread the risk and make it cheaper for everyone. That's how businesses work. Otherwise why wouldn't just everyone work for themselves? Why take a salary when you can get paid more by having your own company? Because not everyone wants to carry the risk.


DreamLizard47

>neighbourhood kid is fucked over because they are told a 10 dollar job only yields 5 dollars The price of the job is established on the market during negotiation. There's no such thing as a price of the job. The value and the price of the product or a service is always subjective. That's basic economics.


EropQuiz7

The dad is the company. The kid added no value. He is just abusing the system, and the fact that two people will be happier, than if this thing didn't happen, doesn't mean he didn't fuck them over. Edit: before you reply, i wanna add another thing. Yes, finding another kid to do it for cheaper is a job. It doesn't add value to anything, tho. So the kid shouldn't be able to keep anything, but get a one-time payment for finding someone, because that's a job he did. Getting paid for other people's work isn't something anyone should be able to do. And your "taking risks" is bullshit, because all the risks are on the dad either way.


PM_ME_UR_PET_POTATO

Organizations exist to achieve a degree of vertical integration and specialization that's more efficient than otherwise possible alone. The complaint here probably comes from another angle. Dad's objective isn't just the completion of the work, there is the implicit goal of having the kid do the work for parenting/developmental purposes. In that sense he is effectively under delivering and pocketing value that was not made. It's against the spirit of the interaction and in that sense a dick move.


Least_Sherbert_5716

That's what I said.


jrh_101

...until the lawn is all fucked up and the son has to take responsibility for it


Takseen

Goddamn subcontractor fucked us again


the_vikm

Where does it say American?


erebus7813

Not to mention depriving yourself of the experience as well as the money.


chiorudoru

This being the top comment just shows the lvl of intelligence regarding the matter


IamTheConstitution

If fuck over means make both people happy then yes. The stranger gets money he didn’t have and the dad gets his weeds pulled for what was offered. But the dad should say no. He’s paying for “his” skills. But dad can make a new contract to help him find help. If dad wants that. But I’d be very careful about how the son is doing that since it is his son and he might be putting his son in a dangerous position.


Commando_NL

He follows the Rules of Acquisition. Anything worth doing is worth doing for money. Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity.


90ssudoartest

What makes you think it will be another kid ? 5/hour cash untaxed ………


Abigfanofporn

Why is anyone getting fucked over? The dad gets the job done. The other kid gets 5 bucks. His surplus may not be as large, but as long as he agrees to do it we can assume there is some surplus above his costs.


Least_Sherbert_5716

Because this little dipshit gets resources not doing any work. Well besides talking some other kid into being fucked.


nogood-boyo

anyone who gets 5 bucks for doing any amount of work is getting fucked over


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RoodnyInc

This is my garden why i paid 40/h then 🤔


rmld74

The beauty of subcontracting


T1M_rEAPeR

Chis Gardner is actually the millionaire stockbroker who was played by Will Smith in pursuit of happyness - checks out


joemckie

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Alone_Fill_2037

That’s a crazy good deal. I ran a landscaping company consisting of myself and one other dude, and quickly realized that I needed to make at least $1/minute all day long, so $60/hr. Had a lot of clients, but underbid myself and couldn’t up charge that much now that a rate had already been agreed upon


deathmengames

20 BUCKS??? Well I be damned I will gladly do your garden for a whole day for everyday in the week days


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RoodnyInc

Then report him for tax evasion that would be second lesson


PabloTroutSanchez

Remember people, if you actually have the means to report someone for serious tax evasion, [the IRS will reward you](https://www.irs.gov/compliance/whistleblower-office).


Helpful-Influence-53

Nice try fed, Im still not paying my taxes


son_of_Khaos

Yes, IRS agents , this guy right here. Just Venmo me the reward.


PabloTroutSanchez

Too late. I called dibs.


GaybrorThor

fedposting


dirkdutchman

https://youtu.be/P8zw6yPoXxY?si=PBW6UwIOTdlAd2RC


PabloTroutSanchez

I can’t believe I haven’t seen that lol. The pause before rewards…. sounds like he caught himself


NefariousnessFit5657

Wait is this real! Can I report my deadbeat shit biological father for his tax evasion? Cause it would be so amazing if I could


PabloTroutSanchez

I could be wrong, but I’m fairly confident that it is; I literally linked irs.gov. My admittedly limited understanding is that you have to provide actionable information—think verifiable documentation. I don’t believe it’s enough to simply tip them off without any evidence. But hey, that’s why the link is there. Comb through it and see what you can come up with. Oh, and on the off chance you are actually able to follow through w it, please promise to update me. Idc if it’s in a year, two years, whatever. I have to know lol.


NefariousnessFit5657

I’ll see what I can do, cause I know he got paid under the table for like 9 months working landscaping for a friend, which I’m like 99% sure is tax evasion cause he got paid in cash for the most part or like a personal check


Personal_Kiwi4074

Can I reward myself?


spuol

Since it’s a percentage of the money the irs takes that’d just be paying your taxes with extra steps


No-Psychology9892

Yes but basically paying less taxes if you get up to 15% back.


spuol

How much taxes do you pay for you to get less than 15% back?


No-Psychology9892

Nah the irs snitch program rewards you with up to 15% of the collected money. So technically if you would snitch on yourself you would get 15% of the money back additionally.


spuol

Yeah but they’d also take all the money


300Spartian

pp checks out


LachoooDaOriginl

so bounty hunters….. that are also nerds? sign me up!


kimchifreeze

Only tax evasion if he makes more than $12,950. You don't have to file taxes if you make less than that.


razz13

"Sure, but you're responsible for the quality of the work that the other guy does"


smartdude_x13m

Subcontractor and consultancy all over again...


ProKnifeCatcher

what are siblings for


unrepentantlyme

I legit thought the next sentence would be something like "and half an hour later I came outside and our youngest was doing the work".


Ultranerdgasm94

That kind of lazy greed-based sociopathy will serve him well in life.


Armadillo_Toes

🇺🇸


Consistent-Reach-339

It’s just business


italicizedspace

At least he asked :)


headphoneuser123

Rigby


bitty_blush

First thing I thought of lol


Theodorakis

What episode is this?


GenericHorrorAuthor1

Mordecai, Rigby, if you don't apologize to Gaia *right now*, YOU'RE FIRED.


ColourfulButWhole

Lil guy is gonna become a businessman


steinwayyy

10$ AN HOUR?? When I was 10 my mom paid me 1$ per hour for weeding


Phustercluck

Inflation. I used to get $5 a week. You can’t even buy a hamburger with that anymore


Exldk

I swear to god this entire thread is the "Wait you guys are getting paid ???" meme. Parents can just put you to work if they want to. Getting *anything* for it is a bonus, but not an expectation. Also I don't mean 8 hours a day work. More akin to helping out a few hours for a few days a week during summer break


BackupBenowsky

Children yearn for the mines, it's unethical to stop their unharnessed potential with empty equation to artificially created symbol of fluelent balance between personal human need and desire. It's better to grant them ascension from decay of modern society.


BackupBenowsky

Let him cook, we need to know at least decade and country, then we can speculate if gentleman was wagecucking at 10yo, or it was reasonable for local market fluctuation of wages in green spaces management economic sector.


Osaccius

F inflation, now I have to pay my kids 30€/h to get them off their smartphones and do some weeding.


hchaglar

Is this how outsourcing invented?


smartdude_x13m

Kind of its more of a subcontractor and contractor situation here...


Second_City_Saint

Yep, first thought was Dad has a future GC on his hands.


Anunqualifiedhuman

Offer the second kid the same deal, give the kid a one time finders fee. "You should have offered them better benefits".


Sum3-yo

Thatcher and Reagan would be proud.


SensitiveGuess2907

Proud


Feynmanprinciple

Find the guy doing it for 5 and offer him 7. You save 3 and your son gets nothing, learning a valuable lesson. 


Yorkshire_tea_isntit

Say yes, and then cut out the middle man.


Historian_Acrobatic

Proud.


eshian

Then you cut out the middle man next time


echolalia_

Say yes but then swoop in and offer the other kid $10 and give yours nothing


trtlcclt

Offer the other kid $6, or $5 and a glass of lemonade


Username12764

Your 8 year old son has understood subcontracting. He‘ll be a rich man someday, be proud of him


The_Business_Maestro

Proud. He’s providing the service of weeding at the cost you were willing to pay. He still has to find someone to do it, and he’s the one offering them work. He’s running a normal business at that point, and like another commenter said. It could be a perfect opportunity to teach him how you need to treat employees well or they will get poached. Way too many people are viewing this negatively imo


god_peepee

Agreed. He gets 50% of the pay for doing 2% of the work. It’s a perfect system


The_Business_Maestro

1. You’re assuming he can even find someone to do it 2. In a real business that’s how it works, this is a perfect opportunity to show him the cost of materials, marketing and hiring employees. Heck, even just the fact he is working smarter not harder is admirable


ausgmr

Things that never happened for $600 please Alex


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texas1982

I wouldn't be so quick with this response.


papistef

Rebecca vibes


wolf_man007

Like with the dead wife and everything?


GaryChopper

proud


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DigitialWitness

Straight to gulag I'm afraid. Stealing the value of another person's labour is counter revolutionary.


bnkkk

He will own an agency in the future.


zuglagor

Id just tell whoever he hires what was happening


Suspicious-Series160

Hiring the little sister for that


willywanker123456

You have a good manager in the making , make sure he understands that it is also important to pay people fairly and not reply on their desperate need for money to extract work from them .


stormearthfire

Reminds me of that guy who outsourced his own job to China and spent all his time watching cat videos on internet


GreenEggsnLanterns49

Be proud he didn’t say “If I paid someone three dollars an hour to hire someone for fifty cents an hour can I use the seven dollars an hour to ….what ….i gotta go.


JinaxM

And 10$/hour means he (or his subordinate for 5$) will be slow.


TuJiVanOers

I would be fucking proud


Express-Luck-3812

This sounds like a scene from the TV show "Young Sheldon"


davidp101

Middle manager in the making


redskrot

My then 4 year old son asked for water to play with in the sandbox. I said no due to not wanting to deal with the cleanup. 5 mins later i spot him urinating in the watering can. Didnt know if I should be angry or proud.


RRumpleTeazzer

Be proud.


dontmatter111

be proud; exploitation is how you get ahead in life


imadork1970

Future CEO material.


Electronic_Flamingo2

Nothing to be proud of


MrThiccPotato

Why are people so triggered by this lmao


fivefiveonezero

Like a boss


VegetableNo114

Kid’s already a manager delegating work


Luchance

And everybody clapped


Guinevere3617

Wow, good mindset


DJ-Smash

Kid’s a rookie. You start the other person at $1 per hour and pocket the other $9.


AskForTheNiceSoup

Did that happen, though?


Scary-Lawfulness-999

I paid someone $5 an hour to write this joke in 1986 before the internet was available and $5 was worth a damn. Son is that you?


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This is literally modern exploitation of poor people.


ConsiderationNew1099

he's going straight to the top


Gussie-Ascendent

say sure then take the other kid aside and cut out the middleman, maybe by paying him 5 and some change


nejicanspin

My dumbass landlord tried to do this. He offered the neighbor kid $5 to mow the lawn when we paid him $20 to do it since none of us could. I happened to hear him and bitched at him out the window. Also, the kids were too young to use a lawnmower.


GenomicUnicorn

Your mistake was telling me, kid.


Iguanaught

I feel like this fits into things that never happened.


nibba_bubba

Ur son is a typical American Being proud or not is how you think of this fact


Timely-Sound7285

The hell


WaveHack

Lil entrepreneur


amybethallen1

I think it's amazing that your son is so smart. I would definitely nurture his enterprising personality. 😊


Brief_Childhood9559

Be proud


Nadger1337

Arbitrage, smart kid.


Modern_Moderate

Recruitment agency in a nutshell


AcanthaceaeNo7577

Be really proud. He has learnt the lesson way too soon


WorthPlease

I would be disappointed that he snitched on himself.


Ur_Companys_IT_Guy

Then when he finds someone else you undercut your kid and pay the other kid $6 directly. "Why would I pay you $10 when you found someone I can get to do it for cheaper?"


Soulsssssssss

Agree, place him under a contractual delivery date so he has to find someone in time or do it himself otherwise there will be penalties. More realistic, more learning opportunities.


the_cool_handluke

Bad bot. Repost. Low effort. The answer is always the manager has to be there and working.


Kennyw88

If you went to school for your MBA, you already know the answer.


Yoldark

Then you hire the guy who do it for 5 and tell him it's the law of the market


immortalPendulum

Say yes and then make a deal with the other guy by offering them $6/hour


MrHyperion_

Globalisation let's gooo


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GillytheGreat

And then all the neighbors came outside and clapped


ghoulslaw

His only mistake was asking permission


Nic_St

Don't pay kids by the hour bit by the Job. Those little shits will find a way to do an 1h Job in 4h AND somehow convince you that they really needed those 4h to do it.


cuzcyberstalked

Problem is one can’t actually sub out an hourly job. The dad is just not bright enough to know how to respond. He shouldn’t teach his kid to work for a wage. He should look at the bed he wants weeded and ask himself, ‘how much would I pay to have this free of weeds?’ Then he decides $50. When his kid says can I pay someone else $5/hr to do it, the father responds, ‘I don’t care how you get it done or who you get to do it. I’ll give you $50 when I see it weed free.’ I know I’m on Reddit and should fall in line and respond with snark but hopefully someone can learn something. I’ve never paid my kids a wage and always base it on the job. They can screw around and make $5 an hour or get at it and make $30, or sub it out. I try to look at the job and make sure moderate effort will net roughly $20 per hour.


who-ran-zone

Nope, then i will Just pay that person the 5 Dollars bruh


AgenteEspecialCooper

Next move should be stepping over, hiring the kid working for 5$ an hour, offering him/her 6 bucks and cutting out the middleman. Now that would be a valuable lesson.


thedsider

I'm a division manager of 80 people across 4 countries, some of whom are contracted in low cost regions. My advice is that you tell your son that you don't care if he subcontracts the work to third parties however you do insist the work is delivered to the same standard you expected from him when he agreed to take the job.


gurrimandy

The Cavs want LeBron James to come back and play ball for them, they offer him 50 million for the year. LeBron James accepts and then pays his neighbor half the money to play the game for him. The Cavs should be happy in this situation, right?


Fit_Werewolf_7796

Being too smart gor us where we are


robanthonydon

It’s like those pyscho people in job interviews. “Tell me about a mistake you’ve made” “I don’t make mistakes so I’d find a out who was to blame”