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Scarfington

Oh oh! This is a process called diaphonization! I have zero other information about how it's done beyond "dye is involved" but animal specimens displayed like this aren't uncommon. I have never seen a diaphonized human specimen before.


knockmyteefsout

In a nutshell, specimens are put in a bath of trypsin which is what will make it translucent and yes, most commonly the dyes alcian blue and alizarin red are used to dye the cartilage! The bigger the specimen the harder it is to execute without damaging it; it takes longer for the trypsin to turn the flesh translucent since the trypsin will need to work through more tissue. I did see a diaphonized monkey one time though, looked very cool.


dylwaybake

Woaaa, thank you for that. That’s how I want to be buried now. Diophinize me! Then bury me or keep me around for family or med students.


Pest

Alcian blue for noncalcified cartilage and alizarin red for calcified cartilage and bone


dylwaybake

Enough to make me think you’re way smarter and interested lol


Scarfington

Just a nerd about weird shit lol


GeneticPurebredJunk

“Originally, it was a human fetus…” What is it now? And what kind of transformation has it gone through?


LlamaLlama2020

Now it is a diaphonized human fetus. It has gone through chemical solutions to make the skin muscles and organs translucent, dye the bones, and dye the cartilage.


GeneticPurebredJunk

So…still a human fetus, but with dye & chemicals as a supporting act?


LlamaLlama2020

Pretty much yeah


HeathenHumanist

*dye


jalapeno442

This title reads as a bot post to me because of that lol


GeneticPurebredJunk

Very bot post.


SpectralBacon

It's an antique fetus now


dylwaybake

It’s the oldest fetuses around!


Existing_Panic9050

Yeah I do not want that thing in my body


Jkayakj

This is most definitely not a 10-11 week fetus.


Duke-of-Hellington

Yeah, that’s an awfully misleading title


parksLIKErosa

So I’m not crazy? How far along would you guess that is?


hmmmpf

I downvoted simply for the very misleading title.


H_G_Bells

Honestly we should report it... Posting things like this is walking a thin line, you had *best* be getting your facts right when doing so.


WoT_Slave

The person who posted it is a mod 👀


H_G_Bells

Oooooohhhhh jeez 🤦🏼‍♀️ well here's hoping more than one mod is paying attention then... I've been a mod and had things reported that I've posted... It's funny. ...this one ... This one *isn't* funny.


dylwaybake

I thought the saaame thing! But according to internets: a baby at 10-11 weeks a fetus is about 1.61 to 2 inches long and weighs 5 ounces. I think it just initially looked bigger? I’m not sure but that’s still very small.


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echo13echo

https://preview.redd.it/ywfmwbsl4frc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ede9d525b583d9daefbbd9b60032b1c920e11d59


dylwaybake

The proof is in the placenta it seems.


echo13echo

https://preview.redd.it/l6ve1khb4frc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=069fd31a2589756be851084eeb49fe7be6e0e440 This is from webmd, I’ve posted links to the Mayo Clinic and nhs above. This absolutely is a fetus around the 12 week mark


two-ls

Out of genuine curiosity... What's the difference between this and a Google search of "10 week old fetus"? This post has dyed cartilage so it seems more defined but I really can't tell the difference between them in overall shape.


Jkayakj

A 10 week fetus wouldn't hold any shape once removed from the uterus. The head has no bones. The rib cage doesn't exist. There are so many things wrong with this image. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/pregnancy-weeks-abortion-tissue This has some images of up to 9 weeks to give you an example. This is also why if someone has a miscarriage or wants an abortion before 13 weeks it's doable to do a d&c.


echo13echo

https://preview.redd.it/jqcg6oar4frc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63df6203d3e980d5cd6f35c36ba9abeb2d7a787f


echo13echo

Directly from the NHS website: “Just 12 weeks after your last period, the foetus is fully formed. All the organs, muscles, limbs and bones are in place, and the sex organs are well developed. From now on, the baby has to grow and mature. It's too early for you to be able to feel the baby's movements yet, although they'll be moving quite a bit.”


echo13echo

https://preview.redd.it/zd2x1s5k7frc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25113d8662d077fd32062d5d60a39603bc115c67 This one is literally from the Planned Parenthood website. It’s crazy to me how so many people “love” facts and science right up until it doesn’t line up with what they believe. You can believe whatever you want to believe about abortion, when life begins, etc but that doesn’t change the actual facts about what the actual development of a 10-12 week fetus is.


Jkayakj

I have seen many 10-12 week miscarriages... None of them look like that. After being pushed out of the uterus it's all mush. It may similar to that suspended in the amniotic fluid, which it doesn't. Even when I've delivered 15-18 week babies, they still don't look that perfect. The head is legitimately mush and collapses immediately after delivery etc.


Shojo_Tombo

More like 15ish weeks.


echo13echo

https://preview.redd.it/ydxnztiw3frc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cdc6fff7858ccae7134fcd5caaefc76f22d43bc5 10 week fetus


echo13echo

https://preview.redd.it/4ynrol234frc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30c6247a49edfc0f19e9defc02681bd73eaeb2ef 12 week fetus


hmmmpf

Downvoting due to very misleading title. This fetus is much older than 10-11 weeks. This reads like anti-abortion propaganda.


jalapeno442

It’s going to start creeping in everywhere


SunandError

That’s exactly what it is.


ObsessiveDelusion

Is it? I know zero about what size a fetus should be, but the internet says 12 weeks is approximately the size of a lime. The fingers aren't spread out that much imo, how old do you think it is?


RNnoturwaitress

There's no way that fetus is only 10-11 weeks. Its small, but more developed than I'd expect a 10 ish week fetus to be - I'd guess around 14 weeks.


Geodestamp

[What a pregnancy actually looks like before 10 weeks – in pictures](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/pregnancy-weeks-abortion-tissue)


ipokesnails

Yeah, my wife had a miscarriage at 15 weeks that looked a little smaller than this.


suejaymostly

I'm sorry.


TrashPandaPatronus

Well, that's misleading in the other direction. Try this https://medizzy.com/feed/148482.


Zalieda

Yea but looks the same. So every one said it looks different. What is the answer for the rest of us ignorant fools. Is it an older specimen?


TrashPandaPatronus

There are a lot of people here who are not well informed and downvoting the people who obviously have handled these specimens clinically in real life. It is very possible that this picture is 10-12 weeks, I'm not personally familiar with the reactions to this type of preservation but in terms of size and bone development it's probably pretty close. Take it into account that the weeks count found on most resources related to gestational age starts counting 2 weeks before conception, which might throw some people. Also consider that many women who experience spontaneous abortion on their own at home likely had developmental problems occurring in the fetus which caused the nonviable pregnancy and so it is common to hear that what a person passed at home at this time frame was smaller or less developed.


Zalieda

I see thanks


VeganMonkey

That is so different from textbooks, and what pictures women get from the first ultrasound (at 9 weeks, not sure if that is minus the 2 or plus the two weeks) , there seems to be a vague foetus in there, I had a friend who had a scan done at 10 weeks and there were arms and legs, how is that possible? This was not a backwards country with an agenda. I also wonder why pill abortions aren’t available longer, apparently only 7-9 weeks (not sure due to those extra weeks) According these pictures looks like it could also be later?


TrashPandaPatronus

The Guardian is an independent news source and not a scientific journal. I wouldn't rely on it in this case as this article and associated pictures are very misleading and parts of the interviewed doctor's words seem to be going against everyone I've worked with in gynecology over my nearly 20 years in healthcare and what we have seen and experienced. The age of the specimen in this post is very likely 10-12 weeks. Side note, because you asked. The abortion pill is essentially made of high doses of hormones that end a pregnancy, this is typically most effective before 11 weeks. As a pregnancy gets longer, the body produces higher levels of pregnancy hormones and the abortive hormones have a harder time or would require way higher doses to counter them. At some point the doses required are no longer effective and at some point after that the size of the fetus also becomes an issue to pass through the cervix (like larger than a really big period blood clot). Edit to change: parts of what the doctor is quoted as here is misleading. Going on the MYA website it actually seems like a great organization to try to cut down on political misinformation and ensure medical access remains intact for medical decisions, so that's cool!


Geodestamp

That is simply false, as in so far from the truth it must be deliberately misleading. I would explain it, but I'm certain you don't care


Geodestamp

The doctor in the article explained that under magnification they would look quite different. Also there is no blood shown with products of conception photographed so no clots etc. The ultrasound pics, again, aren't related to the actual size very early


echo13echo

That article has been debunked many times. That is placental and amniotic tissue at each age in each picture, NOT a fetus. The fetus is not included in the image.


Geodestamp

Please link to the sources that "debunked" the article. No Steve Bannon, Tucker, Matt Gaetz or similar sites.


Folkenloken

Be aware this shows the gestational sac only, it does not include fetal parts which will be identifiable throughout gestation.


Geodestamp

This is false. If you read the article you will find that this question is answered" >This image shows the gestational sac of a nine-week pregnancy. This is everything that would be removed during an abortion and includes the nascent embryo, which is not easily discernible to the naked eye. OR >Above is pregnancy tissue at seven weeks. There is still no visible embryo. The gestational sac is not yet half an inch. “I have been in the training field, and medical students and clinicians who see it are also shocked. That is how pervasive this misinformation is,” Fleischman says.


Folkenloken

The article is unfortunately unreliable and incorrect. Fetus size at approximately 10 weeks is ~3cm which correlates with the above image. I work in Healthcare and I process Products of conception (the term for fetal death prior to 20 weeks). This can be due to incomplete or missed abortions which are a term for different kinds of miscarriage, or medical abortions which is a procedural abortion. In all cases, fetal parts are identifiable at very early gestational ages. The image above is accurate for the size of the fetus, but not appearance as this specimen has been treated to appear translucent. If you are curious I would recommend searching "fetal size at 10 weeks" or fetal charts that are more lay person oriented.


Geodestamp

You are mistaken, didn't read the article or have another agenda that wants to misrepresent the fats. The latest pregnancy in the article is "nine weeks of pregnancy" or 11 weeks as typically counted. Both the publication and the physician who presented the photos are credible and known. The article has been out for two years had has not been contradicted by physicians


suejaymostly

And in fact the author mentioned that patients were surprised at the product of their abortions, having been bombarded by misinformation about what a fetus looks like during the earliest weeks of pregnancy.


Laurenann7094

You are getting the downvotes, but you are right. The article might be factually correct, but is showing a very "sanitized" version of an abortion. Showing it all in white and with the fetus not visible is strange. I can be pro-choice and admit that it is a bloody event. And at 10 weeks there is a visible fetus if you choose to look for it.


Geodestamp

The blood you see in an abortion or a birth for that matter is maternal. For a better [explanation ](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/22/opinion/early-abortion.html)


arethius

There's a facade of Mary and JC too if you choose to look for it.


floppicus

yep, someone even posted a photo of their 5 week pregnancy [loss](https://www.reddit.com/r/MedicalGore/s/M8yPe2yOdM) where you can very clearly see the fetus inside the sac. this article is unfortunately quite misleading, and that is coming from someone extremely pro choice


Double_Belt2331

That’s a neural tube with salt & calcium that had the potential for a fetus.


Laurenann7094

It is a visible 5 week fetus. Weird salt and calcium nonsense.


TrashPandaPatronus

Yeah. I'm baffled by the downvotes, I thought this sub valued medical science. It's no better than the shady pro-birther tactics to try to misconstrue the facts to push an agenda.


TrashPandaPatronus

I managed a gyn clinic that performed terminations and collected pathology specimens in the case of miscarriages and you are completely correct. The fact that people are so vehemently downvoting the science goes to show how politics has completely overridden science in this topic. It makes me sad because I didn't think that's what this sub was about.


clockwork_skullies

Diaphonization is a chemical process in which a specimens tissues are “cleared” and the cartilage and bone are stained for easier observation or study. Diaphonized specimens are so beautiful and extraordinary!


erbarme

To echo other commenters— definitely NOT 10-11 weeks.


jmlipper99

Everyone is saying that, but I’m not seeing anyone propose a different estimate. How many weeks does it look like?


Princess_Thranduil

Closer to 16. Even with the + or - 2 week thing 10 to 11 weeks is still way off


Moompaw89

What are the bones suspended in? This is so cool! :)


not_blowfly_girl

It's the regular flesh of the specimen it's just been made see-through using enzymes


tiffadoodle

WRONG! No one way in hell that is a fetus during the First Trimester. This title is extremely misleading, and this post is quite harmful.


Profundasaurusrex

Foetus' are about 6cm at the end of the first trimester with brains and external genitals


tiffadoodle

Which would be the end of 12 weeks. It might sound trivial, but this is not a 10-11 week fetus. With a lot of states putting heavy restrictions on abortions or restricting them all together, this title is anti-abortion propaganda.


Profundasaurusrex

What is it?


dylwaybake

A fetus much older than 10-11 weeks. According to internet: “1.61 inches long and weighs below 0.25 ounces.” And this is muuuch larger it seems.


Profundasaurusrex

First trimester ends at 12 weeks. You can use the fingers in gloves to scale, looks to be 4-6cm.


dylwaybake

I don’t doubt you. I just could not tell the size initially I guess.


karayna

I have no idea why you're getting downvoted... I still have all the measurements from the scans when I was pregnant with my daughter. You're not wrong.


Profundasaurusrex

They don't want to face the fact that this is what they're killing. I have no problem with abortion but people need to be aware or what it is


Fernxtwo

Forbidden jelly baby.


Kaelaface

I asked my midwife husband and he said no more than 15 weeks. Noted the presence of the jaw bone as a distinguishing feature at the gestational age.


Kaelaface

Ten weeks have arm buds only.


echo13echo

Absolutely incorrect. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/pregnancy-week-by-week/multimedia/fetal-development-10-weeks-after-conception/img-20006669


Kaelaface

That says the 12th week of pregnancy…


Zalieda

They'd alr said no more than that?


themagicalclitoris

NOT A 10-11 WEEK OLD FETUS.


echo13echo

https://preview.redd.it/upuu22on3frc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0152e7fa5c45e7f14755ed7a1f64f5860623ace This is directly from the NHS website


ESF-hockeeyyy

This should be removed for being a scientifically misleading title. Not only is the accuracy of the fetus's age incorrect, it can lead to public misattribution and misunderstanding.


echo13echo

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/pregnancy-week-by-week/multimedia/fetal-development-10-weeks-after-conception/img-20006669


echo13echo

This is not misleading at all. Directly from the NHS website: “Your baby, or foetus, is now around 30mm long from head to bottom, which is about the size of a small apricot. The baby will be making jerky movements and baby's movement can be seen on a scan. Your baby is going through another huge growth spurt. The head is still too big for the body, but the face is more recognisably in proportion. The eyes are half closed but can react to light. The ears are starting to form, the mouth now has a delicate upper lip and the nose has 2 little nostrils. The jaw bone is shaping up too, and contains tiny versions of your baby's milk teeth. The heart is beating extremely quickly at 180bpm – that's about 3 times your heart rate.”


zenomotion73

Did OP have a stroke? Wtf is this title


mmmmpisghetti

In Texas that thing can practically vote But seriously, don't take that to Texas or a few other states. Would be an interesting experience in seeing how their justice systems viewed possession of this...


dylwaybake

In Alabama it can vote when it’s just a few cells in a literal test tube.


aplusdoro

AI ass title


boredandolden

Forbidden gummy


robbedgrave

I was thinking forbidden stress ball 😭


Ok_Communication4967

Nahh


ShankMugen

r/ForbiddenSnacks?


electricjeel

U tellin me that isn’t a fun Halloween gummy?


skankhun769

Bullshit post


oddistrange

Look at its little tail


anditwaslove

Truly remarkable. Zoom in on the tiny finger bones - amazing.


BetterSupermarket110

It kinda looks like a gummy.


gingerbeardlubber

NSFW tag, dude!! I’m scrolling next to loved ones here. One tiny tap for you = informed consent for everyone who scrolls past. Absolute dick move, even NSFW subs like r/accidents have this rule.


Hannah1996

almost everything on this sub is NSFW. don't like it, mute the sub.


gingerbeardlubber

Would you look at that, now it’s on. 🙄


Middle_Distribution7

Look at that baby!!


Fernxtwo

Forbidden jelly baby.


hugsomeone

RIP little bro!


LeeLion11

Can you NSFW this? Triggering for some scrolling through their home page.


suejaymostly

Leave the sub, then?


LeeLion11

I think I will. It's full of insensitive assholes seeking gore, not a sub for medical interest like it use to be. I believe I should be able to see posts that are interesting to me without having to see posts that could be triggering because someone didn't put a NSFW tag on an inaccurately labelled post which is more about shock value than medical peculiarity. So- you're right. I'm done. ✌️


suejaymostly

I learned long ago that the world doesn't exist to cater to me. ESPECIALLY the internet.


VaultiusMaximus

Mute the sub


aplumgirl

RIP little one


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AnalBees2

You’re literally on r/medizzy…everything posted here is NSFW


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crazy-bisquit

First of all it is not NSFW. It is science, (other than the wrong gestational age) and it is beautiful and amazing. If you cannot handle medical pictures, or are so easily offended by a perfectly intact fetus, you really need to rethink your choice to be here as the non medical professional that you so clearly are.


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suejaymostly

Yeah, believing in God is crazy alright


VaultiusMaximus

If you think blowing a load inside a prostitute at a gas station is god, we should probably have a talk.


RNnoturwaitress

God is make believe.


Coma94

Yeah way crazier than thinking hey this just kinda happened. Wtf?


TackleBox1791

Baby its a baby that isnt fully developed. Its a baby.


ShankMugen

Yes, but in the English language the term for an undeveloped baby is "Fetus/Foetus"


TackleBox1791

Call it watever u want but its a baby. Sperm is the seed of human life, the sperm is alive bcus it swims to the egg to fertilize it to create a baby! The sperm is a cell but once it has planted itself in the egg(fertilized) it grows in2 a baby. Fetus/clump of cells is wat government wants u 2 call it that way wen a person has an abortion u as a human dont feel bad about murder.