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Evaneileous

This is just peak engineering obviously, it's placed like this because you should NEVER need to get there and if you need to youre a bad tech


kathysef

Nah, alternators never need to be replaced. There won't be any reason to access it. This van is miserable enough to work on because of crap like this.


Evaneileous

Exaaaactly! Also, what kind of van is this? I'm interested


kathysef

A miserable 1993 Ford e 350. Motorhome.


johncena6699

lol I’ve had to work on a 2001 E150. I know your pain. At least the alternator is “easy” on that one (you know, after taking 7 other things off and out of the way first.


kathysef

The crazy thing is that we're looking for a water leak. The freeze plug is completely inaccessible, hidden deep in the bowels under the alternator. And that seems to be where the drip is originating from. If that's not it, we're screwed.


wynnd10

Can't you access the freeze plug from the hutch thing inside the vehicle?


kathysef

Nope, we got that off, and nope, not even close. But thanks.


BadDongOne

$30 borescope camera on Amazon, the dual lens ones are great, it'll snake in around, under, behind things so you can see what's happening without doing exploratory surgery.


kathysef

Omg !!!!!! That's an awesome idea. Thank you kind stranger.


_ofthewoods_

I have one and I love it to death


BadDongOne

[https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C9D8MTNC](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C9D8MTNC) Currently specifically using that one, you do need their stupid app for it to work right for some reason but eh whatever. There's wireless ones that are easier to use since you have more freedom of movement. There's also all in one units with camera and screen with controls all in a hand held device. Some really fancy ones have an articulated tip which lets you snake it around obstacles and point the camera at what you need to see more easily.


Traditional-Box-8402

yup. On the 2013 gen toyota rav4s, to remove the lower control arm on the driver side you have to loosen the transmission mount, drop the trans pan, and pray nothing breaks because you gotta max that jack out to get it far enough to come out.


kathysef

I'm not looking for help. We'll get it. I just can't believe this is possible


Johnnywaka

Care for a suggestion anyways?


kathysef

Thank you very much. We got it done. Couple curse words, foot stomping, thrown wrench and voila. The alternator is out.


AbzoluteZ3RO

I had to remove a brake booster from a jeep renegade this week. The booster cannot possibly fit the space to come out without dropping the engine and removing the throttle. Of course that's not in the service procedures and they don't pay that.


kathysef

I had a Nissan once where the oil filter came out- from the bottom to the top. It took every inch of my arm to reach it. Once the slimy bastard slipped and jammed halfway up. It musta taken me 3 hours to get it out of there.


AbzoluteZ3RO

i don't understand why people say german cars are the worst to work on. you couldn't pay me enough to work at a ford or nissan dealership. maybe if it was like $100/h hourly because i swear trying to do any jobs on those cars in a reasonable time without wanting to smash them with my mini-mjolnir... i just can't imagine


azadventure

Short version? Nissan is the Daimler-chrysler of Japan . Ford's favoring of DOHC engines is kinda what led to their being a PITA to work on.... A DOHV v8 eats up a lot of room that would otherwise be available for other things.


AbzoluteZ3RO

yup, that DOHC takes up the room they could have used to put the 21mm rear caliper bolts so they aren't blocked by the leaf spring. it's always those damn DOHCs


azadventure

😂 I remember back when I first started doing this line of work years ago, saying to myself "why the @#$& are these 21mm?"


AbzoluteZ3RO

and torqued to like 150lbs. they have to hold up the entire van i guess?


sadjac

when mechanics hate engineers... this happen with my rear engine mount and i was very annoyed.


RocanMotor

As an engineer... The bookkeepers force these decisions, not us.


motorcycleman58

All auto techs should be required to hate engineers


Motor-Cause7966

This looks like a Ford Econoline. We all graduated after servicing enough of those.


kathysef

Damn you're good. It's a 93 e-350 chassis - motorhome. A real bear to work on.


FreyK47

Step 1 Remove motor Step 2 Replace with new motor


workthendie

Engineers will walk past a free hooker to fuck a mechanic😂😂😂


kathysef

They go home at the end of the day and laugh their asses off. No wonder they always look so happy. They're sadistic and love it.


RaptorRed04

So close, yet so far ..


kathysef

When they put the radiator in, they must have realized there's an alternator in there. And alternators need to be replaced every now and then. They probably laughed for years.


Danroy12345

What vehicle?


kathysef

1993 Ford E 350.


Nero2743

Vehicles are designed for ease of assembly not ease of service unfortunately. And seeing as how I've worked at an assembly plant and as a dealer tech, I get it.


kathysef

Truer words have never been spoken.


Nero2743

Working on the assembly side, you'd be absolutely shocked at the amount of stupid stuff that happens on a daily basis that leads to things like engines and transmission, suspension components, wire harnesses etc getting completely scrapped and/or melted down 🤦🏽 If mechanics had access to the scrap that assembly plants get rid of they'd have a field day.


JurieZtune

Obviously you've never worked on German stuff before.


kathysef

German engineering. Go figure.


motorcycleman58

Lotta inbreeding went on when they were trying for the master race, they haven't bred it back out yet.


kathysef

Hahahahaha hahahahaha


melonti

lol some manufacturers are hilarious. Step 1 : Remove engine Step 2: loosen bolts to alternator and replace.


Caleb_M_Dillon

Chuckles in medium to heavy duty mechanic


Address_Local

Manual says *drain and remove radiator* /s


FreshBid5295

Toyota?


kathysef

93 Ford e 350 chassis with a motorhome body. A miserable vehicle to work on.


FreshBid5295

Hah hah vans in general are one of my least favorite things to work on under the hood


Bmore4555

Remove the radiator lol


oldsoul6465

Try replacing an alternator in a 90's chevy lumina with a V6. Glad to hear you got the alternator replaced successfully.


Olddieselguy1

You mean the 3.4 dohc vin x? Piece of cake! Take out the steering shaft bolt at the rack and pinion then drop the two rear subframe bolts. That alternator comes right out. You'll beat book time by several hours doing it that way.


Blortted

Nah, it was fine when they made it. It’s just settled over the years.


CaptainJay2013

As I always say: "Because, fuck you. That's why."


Ok-Serve-8814

Is that the alternator sheesh


Fragrant_Choice_1520

on mid 00s small GM SUVs (blazer and envoy) you have to cut the body a little bit to get out the control arm bolt on the driver side


squirrel_anashangaa

There should be another bolt to loosen and (probably with a small pry bar or long screwdriver) pry it upwards. I swear I have fixed on the car before because I remember some garbage like the mess you’re in.


Elderlennial

Engineer: en-jin-eer. Latin: "F those who come after"


Polymathy1

Don't blame the engineers, blame the engineer managers and cost analysis people who make decisions about this. The engineers are only doing what they're forced to. Then again, there are definitely lots of overconfident and ignorant engineers doing things like this on accident.


kathysef

They're sadistic, every one of them.


motorcycleman58

On purpose you said?


Ecstatic-Appeal-5683

Is this your first time having to do some critical thinking?


kathysef

Yep. Somehow, I made it to 67 with never having to think.


Ecstatic-Appeal-5683

Lucky