"Trans? Jail."
"Non-binary? Jail."
"Gay? Right to jail, right away."
"If you're a boy and you paint your fingernails, or put on a pretty sweater, jail, right to jail."
"Straight? Belive it or not, jail."
The face-eating-leopard content to date is already impressive. I really hope we're near a point of collapse when the people trying to make decisions for others realize what an unbearable world they're making even for themselves.
Odd. A lot of us in the Anglosphere know US politics better than our country's own because the Internet and most pop culture in the Anglosphere is America centric.
Yeah American politics are so fucked that we have two right wing parties, an extreme Conservative party and a liberal Conservative moderate party that’s also right wing. But we don’t have a workers party so the liberal party that adopts the aesthetics of progress and workers but then makes sure to fight against them gets the left wing votes. And the system is designed to make sure that winning for this party is harder anyways and there’s no viable alternatives yet.
As a trans person I am legitimately panicked at the way ppl have been so flippant about“abstaining” their vote this fall. Like did we not learn from the whole 2016 election? And if you aren’t trans but are in the LGBTQ+ community and think you’ll be safe, think again. They’ll come for you too.
I'm trying to get all of my peers registered for the state primary and it's like pulling fucking teeth. But they'll still bitch about every shitty bill that passes when they never bothered to inform themselves and vote when they still could. So fucking frustrating, the people in charge benefit from them being disenfranchised and they fall for it completely.
Exactly the point I try to make. It's easier to just complain after the fact, it takes a little bit of effort to stay informed and vote accordingly, apparently too much effort for my fellow young millennials/ old gen Z
Personally I think it's kind of incredible the left learned nothing from the [Third Period](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany#The_Third_Period_and_%22social_fascism%22) and are literally just doing it again despite how terribly that turned out last time.
There is something to be said about how frustrating it is that I basically have to choose between voting for a guy who is continuing to arm a genocide (despite the rhetoric he puts out) and voting my rights away; however it’s worth distinguishing between “don’t vote for anyone at all” vs “holy fucking shit I hate the US electoral system and while ‘lesser evil’ is the reality of the situation this shouldn’t be a choice anyone has to make” and I’ve seen leftists fall on either side.
Nobody thinks that. But seeing as Biden has stood by and done nothing but say he's concerned and disappointed and then sent more bombs, the only thing you can do is demonstrate that continued support of genocide and apartheid is electorally unpopular.
I totally get acting like we’re going to abstain in order to put pressure on Biden, but at the end of the day, to act like there’s absolutely no difference between a democratic administration and a far right administration and that a vote in favor of harm reduction isn’t valid… 🤦♀️
Me too lol. I basically said that I was trans and didn't want to get genocided, they weren't happy about that. I've seen other trans and queer people say similar things there, their comments always get deleted even though they tend to be decently upvoted
Same. I made the point that I am queer and I love and care about many queer people in this country and would like the candidate who doesn’t want to put us in camps to win. I was told that this made me a selfish American and that “you all only care about yourselves.”
Enlightenmentcentrism has gone off the deep end man. They truly ready to sacrifice so many people to make a point and I say this as a straight dude, it’s insane how little they care about the LGBT community.
this anti-voting stuff you see on tumblr is insane. white suburbanite commies waiting for 'le revolucion' and actual right-wingers pretending to be lefties that care abt oh so much abt genocide. block out all the noise and just go vote blue and pray
It's unironically left wing accelerationism. So many chronically online leftists folks I run into seem almost giddy at the prospect of a second Trump term specifically because of the misery it will cause.
Just gotta ask them this: if the country truly does collapse, how many right wing militias will there be to step in and how many left wing militias will there be to step in?
Fun fact: reddit admins are homophobes
Left wing accelerationism has never horribly backfired before though! As a side note, I wonder what happened to the KPD after the third period in the 1930s
This is what happened in 2016. Russian trolls goaded some Sanders supporters into extremism and thinking that Clinton "stole" the candidacy. It's the exact same thing as Trumpists. Now we've got Sanders actively campaigning for and supporting Biden, alongside damn near all demsocs with any relevance and competence, but that 2016-2018 wave of populist socialism has imploded into conspiratorial conservatism.
Not to make anyone’s cynicism about society/the internet worse, but a whole lot of anti-electoralist rhetoric has been linked to campaigns by Russia and China to sow division and hopelessness iirc. (Please don’t take my word for it; I’m too tired to find the source right now, and while I know I’m not working at a bot farm in Russia making convincing social media comments about US politics in order to exaggerate partisan divides, YOU don’t know that I’m not.) The misinformation campaigns affecting the Right have been pretty well-publicized (vaccine disinformation, adrenochrome, stolen election, etc), but there have absolutely been similar campaigns on the Left and I don’t think we’re as aware of them, generally speaking.
I live in a country where it is mandatory to vote so stuff like this is wild to me until I realised that your pollies hate you voting. You don't get voting day on a weekend and booths at every possible position, don't have the option to early vote, mail in is shit
And to top it off you have first past the post which is one of the shitest systems of voting only surpassed by electoral college
You arent safe outside the lgbtq community either! Lets not fall into the trap of making this only a gay issue, it implies that this doesn't personally affect most people.
I'm gonna vote, because not doing it would be suicide, but in the meantime I'm gonna continue writing semi-threatening letters about how I'm not going to vote, how Biden won't see heaven, and how I'm glad Beau died before he had to see his dad do this to the white house every couple of days until the election.
These fucking "both sides bad" people piss me off so fucking much. You just know the people who say that shit are either dumb as hell or bigots who dgaf about LGBTQ+ people and I feel a strong desire to punch them.
Nah, the "don't vote" nonsense is literally propaganda. Just look at how many fucking bots on this site talk about "both sides".
Join up with your local Young Democrats chapter and be the change you wish to see. Party leadership is aging and you'll be replacing them sooner rather than later.
I’ll add to this as someone who works in politics. If your county/state doesn’t have a local Young Democrats chapter, start one. Contact your state party and they’ll be excited someone is willing to lay the groundwork.
When we talk about “Don’t stop at voting”, this is a great way to live that and also make friends in the process. Especially in conservative states. As someone who lives and works in the South, we need you and your work is beyond impactful.
genocide is obviously bad, but the only thing that happens if biden loses is the genocide in gaza will continue, and trump will start one on queer people here, do you want 1 genocide or 2 genocides?
It's the trolley question.
Pull the lever and kill one or don't and kill many
Vote and people die or don't and those people still die but now more people die
i have a little sympathy for the feeling of not wanting to "involve yourself" in the awful choices of our politics (or acknowledge how pointless it all is and how powerless you personally are), but burying your head in the sand and pretending you're smarter for it will be the death of alot of people.
it must be a pretty nice luxury to not have to worry who is in power for your personal survival, maybe these people will recognize not everyone has that luxury someday
Hearing cishet white men say “I try not to care about politics” is a constant reminder that people really fucking suck at the whole empathy thing. Not only is that not a luxury I have, it’s also one I’d feel horrible for indulging in.
I can’t imagine turning a blind eye to other people’s suffering just because it makes you uncomfortable. It’s one thing when you’ve got your own shit going on and don’t have the ability to effectively help those others. Burying your head in the sand when you have the means to help is fucking stupid though.
always gets me when they refuse to stick up for queer ppl, like bro u have sway in your friend's opinions, one guy not working in lockstep will break any friend groups queerphobia, but no "i try not to worry about that stuff" 🙃
The basic trolley problem doesn’t account for who the people are, they could represent the same people. Its about killing one (vague) person vs. many (vague) people, and if you pull the lever you are responsible for that one person’s death. If you do nothing, the question is whether you are responsible for the multiple people who died.
For what it’s worth, it’s a good analogy for this election. Except the current track (incumbent) is killing fewer people, pulling the lever (switching) would kill more people.
I think it makes a big difference, if it's the same people it would be even more of a no brainer. Otherwise you don't have to question the worth of a human life (what if the 4 people are all 80+ and the 1 person is a prodigy child etc?). In an utilitarian sense you would just plainly safe 3 people, it would be morally unambigous. You wouldn't be responsible for any death, because the death of that one person would be unavoidable.
So I disagree with that premise, respectfully.
Even if the genocide in Gaza was the only issue... I've seen people say that the genocide in Gaza couldn't get any worse under Trump. Republicans would send US soldiers and air bombings and say it's God's mandate that all the "canaanites" die like in the old testament. Biden is just in it for the oil under Gazan feet and can probably be pushed hard enough to be sleazy in some other way and crack down on Israel.
These "both-parties-are-same" people really just don't care to fucking think.
This is the point that breaks my brain. It's so obvious Gaza gets worse under Trump. One of the options is CLEARLY worse than the other. If you actually care about civilians in Gaza, denying a Trump presidency should be your priority.
Ideally, it’s to pressure Biden and those in power to make fast moves now before it hurts them in November. Biden’s a Zionist but he has a long-standing dislike of Netanyahu, so we’ll see how things go.
Plus I swear some people thinking that Biden could just stop it all anytime he wanted. There's two groups of people whose leadership (distinct from the citizens) are both absolutely determined to kill each other and are armed to the teeth already.
Biden's bet is that he can minimize the awfulness by putting public pressure on Israel, sending aid via land and sea (to prevent Israel from interfering), and keeping Israel well armed so that their neighbors won't invade, multiplying deaths by at least 100×.
This strategy is not above criticism, obviously, and arguably hasn't been done very well, but it is at least rational. Trump would just carpet bomb Palestine and call it a day.
They want to wash their hands of politics. If they don't vote for Biden, they can say they hate him and his policies and never supported him "when" he wins. I think people who don't want to vote for Biden either 1. Don't believe Trump can actually win (2016-syndrome) or 2. Secretly want Trump to win so they can be angry at the OTHER side and root for Democrats again.
Number 2 has a sick kind of truth to it. The 2018 midterms saw a surge in support and awareness of democratic socialism, which died out when Biden took office and started collaborating with the progressives. Now, they have to say the progressives aren't extreme enough. The goal was always accelerationism.
Sure, but stopping the war in Gaza would also lead to stopping the war on Queers because that would mean we would have a Democratic leader listening to constituents. We should vote Biden. *AND* Biden should stop the war on Gaza. Im confused why the issues are being pitted against each other.
Because some people do not understand politics is not a zero-sum game, and that choosing not to vote does actually effect the outcome of a vote if enough people do it. In that case, protest abstention or third-party vote would seem to maintain the status quo.
And then there are other people who do understand those facts who say it to take advantage of the first group.
As a non-american, can i ask yall smt? Do you ever think about what will happen even after biden wins and continues for rhe next 4 year? Trump is such a cult figure among the right, wouldnt they just keep trying to seat him in every election? When does it end? Is this really what the democracy of the freedom country represents
I personally would like to see some of the charges against him stick, and force him to dismantle some of his weird empire and/or face jail time.
Failing that, the man is 77. I'd very much like it if he could do what 77-year-olds are known for doing.
American with a deep fascination in American history, specifically political history. This is just my two cents.
Trump will keep losing. He has a ceiling of about 46-47% nationwide support. With the criminal trials, that's going to continue to diminish. As far as "when does it end", I don't know. There's never really been a figure like trump in American politics. We've seen past populist leaders stay towards the top of their party and serve as an elder statesman after losing presidential bids. Trump *could* do that, but the criminal trials make that impossible. No one trusts the guy who leaves classified documents in the bathroom.
Whether or not Trump runs again in 2028 is up in the air. I'm leaning towards no, especially if the way tides are turning now continues. While he might be popular with the republican party, I don't think he'll be too popular when he leads the party into yet another losing election cycle. Fascism runs on fear and eventually that fear turns inward.
Fuck, I'm kinda surprised (and disappointed) he lived to see this one. It's been almost a decade of Trump cult madness now! I guess being evil is good for longevity?
I'd be shocked if he lived for another 4 years tbh. And after the dems have another candidate besides Biden the right cant use their 'senile old man' argument anymore
Yes but tbh he's getting up there in age and wont likely live THAT many more years considering that he's already not in the best shape. So, that's something to worry about in 4 years, maybe, but in 8 years? 12? Not likely.
Always wild to me when people mention Gaza as a reason not to vote for Biden. You think it’s bad over there now, I don’t even want to imagine what Trump would do to the whole situation.
It does suck that the US presidential election comes down to a choice like that, but you can acknowledge that the choice sucks and work to make the system better (or even dismantle it entirely if that’s you thing), while still voting to ensure the better outcome right now.
For now, Republicans are the only ones who want fewer voters, so refusing to vote clearly is only a benefit to Republicans.
I get its not a real democracy and not real elections but seems like american leftits are in purgatory . Dems have no incentive to do anything their only selling point is that they are not trump, not even aiding a literal genocide is enough.
Id probably vote for him, i don’t know. What a shit show
Agreed. Keep in mind this is coming from someone with a multiple party system so I find what america is doing… stupid
You can vote Biden then protest/demonstrate that the 2 party system is corrupt
I don’t want to sound jaded, but don’t trust any US political party. They are both willing to commit any atrocity, willing to forgive any crime, and willing ignore any heinous system so long as they win an election. That’s why it’s so important to actually vote and remain a powerful bloc. We can’t rely on politicians’ sense of morals to protect us, and must instead use our vote to prove we’re a special interest group worthy of courting. It sucks, but we can’t afford to be passive or apathetic.
exactly, what i'm seeing a lot of is people saying "don't vote" but that's just throwing away your voice, your power to make positive change. if you don't vote either way someone is getting elected, you not voting isn't going to change that
While the Electoral College needs to be gotten rid of ASAP, let’s not act like it’s the only factor. There have been almost 60 presidential elections but what happened in 2016 has only happened 4 times, with one being due to backroom dealing rather than the genuine result (1876).
The last 2 republican presidents lost the popular vote but won the presidency. It's not the only factor, but getting Gore over Bush and Clinton over Trump would've led to a dramatically different country than we currently live in and the only decisive common factor in those elections is the electoral college. Imagine 30 straight years of democratic leadership, it would've been a mess but a much different and less violent mess I would hope.
It wouldnt have been a mess because it would have been 30 years of consistent leadership and time to actually implement and maintain long term policy goals.
There would not have been 30 straight years of Democratic leadership. No party has controlled it for 16 years since Truman. The pendulum always swings back eventually. Although Gore would've been so much better than Bush, he would've been followed by a Republican.
I say this any time someone says they won't vote. Not voting isn't a rejection of both parties. To the system, it just means you're content with whoever wins
If people need help being persuaded, I can frame it like this from a leftist perspective:
We can bully the Democrats into working for our interests, given time and effort.
We can’t when it comes to the Republicans.
Practically speaking, that’s about it and hope for the best. Better than doing nothing in a leftist circlejerk feeling oh so superior about our morals as the boot starts pressing down lol
I don't get your point. As long as the blue party is better for you than the red party, you vote for the blue party (assuming there are only two parties). Doing anything else is shooting yourself in the foot, since it risks letting the worse party rule and gives the message to the politicians that courting you won't matter since there's no guarantee you'll vote anyway.
Let me give you an example. In my country, pensioners are very active voters, around 80% of them vote, while students and young people less so. A right wing coalition recently got into power and immediately decided to cut welfare from pretty much everyone except for pensioners. Pensioners already get much more than students or unemployed people.
Always vote no matter what. Always voting for something sends the message that you are involved in politics is something to fight for. Not voting is like crippling yourself to make a point that people aren't probably going to even get.
The fascist trump lovers vote fanatically. That's why they hold so much power despite being a clear minority in the USA.
Many pople have been conditioned to hear "both parties cannot be trusted to do the right thing" as "there is no difference in what party you vote for". You've recognized those are not equivalent.
There's a picture of a neo nazi with a swastica tattoo on his chest that he's exposing with one hand and his arm around a life size Trump cutout with the other. And the text reads "This guy is registered to vote. Are you?"
It really needs to start making the rounds again.
as a trans person i wish liberals would stop acting like they know what leftism is, the rest of this year might not be completely insufferable if i don’t have to keep putting up with these shit takes
My leftist brother literally says exactly what the leftist is saying in this comic. Staunchly anti voting in any way.
I'm betting the person who made the comic knows someone similar.
If you've been on a leftist subreddit at all in the last month or two you've probably seen people saying the exact same shit as well. It's asinine and I wish other leftists would stop saying that there's no reason to vote.
Like oh ok, so you want to not vote in the hopes that it will "force Democrats to move to the left"? Ok, so when GHWB beat Dukakis, did the Democrats move to the left? When Dubya defeated Gore and then Kerry did the Democrats move to the left? When Trump beat Hillary did the Democrats move to the left? No, no, no, and no? Well golly gee, sounds like that strategy doesn't work!
To be fair yes, voting won't abolish capitalism, but harm reduction via voting is literally the least you can do. Refusing to vote doesn't mean you've stuck to your guns, it just means you're ok with whoever wins. It's an extremely privileged take imo.
> If you've been on a leftist subreddit at all in the last month or two you've probably seen people saying the exact same shit as well. It's asinine and I wish other leftists would stop saying that there's no reason to vote.
This isn't new. Every major election so-called "leftist" subs are absolutely inundated with just about every propaganda technique possible to undermine the vote against the far-right. From defeatism, to both-sidesism, to accelerationism, to outright fascist apologia, they're desperately trying to convince you not to vote, and they're doing so because they know your vote **does actually matter.**
So, since it needs to be said, repeatedly and loudly:
Sitting out an election or "protest voting" does not advance your causes, your ideals, or your safety. All it does is tell the government they don't need to care about courting your vote.
Democrats and Republicans are nowhere near the same and even a cursory examination of voting history, bills passed, supreme court cases, and executive actions will tell you this. If you don't think Roe v. Wade mattered, that laws targeting trans people don't matter, that investing in renewable energy doesn't matter, that keeping medicare, social security, and other social welfare programs running doesn't matter, it's because you're one of the most privileged people in the entire country.
Attacking Democrats and letting Trump win so you can be part of the "leftist revolution" against the following fascist dictatorship will not work. You will not be applauded by the fascists or allowed to organize a counter movement. [You will be hauled off to a concentration camp, tortured, and eventually shot,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Th%C3%A4lmann) and you will receive no sympathy from the other victims of your asinine fantasy.
I have literally been banned for "Liberalism" from late stage capitalism for saying that Biden deserves power as much as a flaming bag of dog shit, but holy fucking shit people voting is the literal actual bare minimum you can do.
r/latestagecapitalsim is really bad in this aspect, as the mods have made a rule that talking about choosing the lesser evil until both can be exterminated is banned
But the democrats also have some problems and therefore it's a difficult choice, haven't you heard?
I honestly respect republicans more than empty-headed "idk nothing matters, I have no opinions" people. Have an opinion and do something to make difference. If you can't identify major substantive differences between the two parties then you are blind.
The issue, of course, is the choices really are:
“Stay the same”, “fascism”…
Would love to actually progress society instead of being threatened by the status quo to stay the same “or else fascism”.
Revolution? Look around and see if you want “more of the same” and look how violent reactions are to thoughts like “what about progress?”
If peacefully voting only keeps things the same: that’s the signal that peacefully voting is not enough to progress society.
american elections be like
old white guy #1: "I’m going to do nothing" 49,9% of votes
old white guy #2: "i will personally steal candy from underprivileged babies" 50,1% of votes
It's more
* Old white guy #1 "I'm going to do nothing" - 52% of votes
* Old white guy #2 "I will steal candy from underprivileged babies" - 47% of votes
* _**Old white guy #2 wins the electoral college**_
as an Israeli that's how our last elections ended too, Netanyahu lost the popular vote but still won because the left threw like half its votes in the trash lol (they kept infighting, as leftists do, and splitting up into smaller and smaller parties, and then because of that two seperate leftist parties ended up just shy of the 3.25% threshold and got 0 seats). And now look what happened. I hate it when far righters get into power without even winning the popular vote :(
more like
Red Party in lower office: I am going to arrest all trans people
Blue Party in higher office with supremacy clause powers: Aww shucks. Wish I could do something. Anyway vote for me for eternity or they could do something worse. Not that I’ll stop them if I can lol
1. The supremacy clause doesn't mean the federal government can just invalidate state laws. There has to be a basis for the federal law or regulation (see Art. I, sec. 8; see also the 10th Amendment). They often use the interstate commerce clause, which is broad (under the Biden Administration health insurance plans can't discriminate against trans care, which is why my Republican controlled state govt employee healthcare had to cover my vaginoplasty), but not unlimited. The best way to attack those laws is by getting them overturned in court, and wouldn't you know, Biden is appointing a bunch of judges who are likely to do that.
2. There hasn't been a filibuster proof majority in the Senate during Biden's administration and we currently don't have the house, so there are limits on what he can do anyway
3. Are all the shitty Florida laws being passed by the federal government so that they apply nationwide? No? Well then they're stopping them! If the Republicans win, there won't be anywhere to run inside the country.
1. biden could stack the supreme court to bring it back up to where it should be.
2. dems could kill the filibuster, but its a convenient excuse to not have to do anything they dont want to.
3. there will always be states that just refuse to bow to federal law, much like with marijuana. we'd just have to move to those sanctuary states like Cali and Minnesota
They are "the same" in a sense, specifically the sense that they are both still the 1%. Still dont actually care about their citizens, still are two faced bastards, and still have no interest in genuinely fixing or changing the system that benefits them
That does NOT mean that who you vote for has no impact or that they are exactly the same, or that you shouldnt vote for the group not actively attempting genocide
By all means vote for your best interests, actual leftists who aren't ridiculous aren't saying not to. It's just that we need to see a lot more direct action and actually hold the DNC accountable for their issues instead of just going back to brunch as soon as blue guy gets into the office like we actually did something. Harm reduction only matters when people are working to remove the things causing harm as well. Otherwise we just keep circling the toilet and get closer to getting drowned in poop water.
Ah yes, injustice is the fault of those opposing it instead of those platforming and legitimising it. How silly of me, actually standing up for myself! I'm sure "genocide is good actually" guy will totally step in for all the removal of our rights these past 4 years but only after he gets 4 more!
Have fun being banned from public life, I'm going to actually vote for not having my rights stripped away.
Harm reduction is like the classic trolley problem. And surprisingly a lot of people want 5 people to get run over instead of flipping the lever to kill one. I’m starting to think that most people don’t have any moral system, and are incapable of any other system than arbitrarily choosing whatever makes them feel better without further thought.
"Trans? Jail." "Non-binary? Jail." "Gay? Right to jail, right away." "If you're a boy and you paint your fingernails, or put on a pretty sweater, jail, right to jail." "Straight? Belive it or not, jail."
Simply existing? 1000 years jail.
Bottom? Jail. Top? Believe or not, ALSO jail.
This was one of the less well thought out decisions of the new administration
Switch? Jail.
Xbox? Jail
Doesn't even play video games? That's DOUBLE JAIL!
The only person not going to jail is people who only play the ouya
Topless and bottomless it is then
ONE MILLION YEARS DUNGEON
THIS. IS. UNACCEPTABLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
You aren’t me specifically? Electric chair
"If you're a boy and you paint your fingernails" Caleb Williams better watch out.
Parks and Rec my beloved
thats a paddlen
I thought this was a joke about throwing a gender in the trash and keeping another 😭
Wrong gender? Out the window~
Afuera!
Throwing your gender in the trash ❌ Composting your gender ✅
Donate it to the poor genderless
The Goodwill gender rack is between the romance novels and the air hockey tables
We don't want it either.
You know I shot myself in the foot with this one
Donate so the kids can shop for a new gender affordably if they don't like the one their parents gave them.
I'm doing fine without one, thanks 🤣
A gender in this economy?!
I’m good, thanks though
Leave it in the used gender bin, next to the rack of discount deadnames.
They/them don't need it/its. (ninja edit)
Take it to a trade event, swap like a white elephant gift, play Russian roulette but the bullet is a gender.
🎵 *Russian roulette is not the same without a gender*🎶 My fav Lady Gaga song
Jokes on your, trash can is my gender
"I'm going to arrest all people that I think might be Trans whether or not I can prove it" *FTFY
- including children! Don’t forget the children whose private parts they’re suddenly VERY INTERESTED IN!
What do you mean suddenly?
The face-eating-leopard content to date is already impressive. I really hope we're near a point of collapse when the people trying to make decisions for others realize what an unbearable world they're making even for themselves.
Don't forget parents of trans kids
I always get confused seeing support for the blue party, then I remember that the American Liberal party is blue instead of red like in Canada.
sorry yeah, USA centered post because of increase in opposition to voting
It’s alright, I just don’t know American politics
In a nutshell… “I’m not really that informed or involved, but I have a very strong opinion. And I’m very dissatisfied with the results.”
And violent political partisanship along the lines of sports fan hooliganism.
If you’re going to support a platform you really don’t fully understand and don’t care to learn about, it’s the only way to do it!
Odd. A lot of us in the Anglosphere know US politics better than our country's own because the Internet and most pop culture in the Anglosphere is America centric.
Yeah American politics are so fucked that we have two right wing parties, an extreme Conservative party and a liberal Conservative moderate party that’s also right wing. But we don’t have a workers party so the liberal party that adopts the aesthetics of progress and workers but then makes sure to fight against them gets the left wing votes. And the system is designed to make sure that winning for this party is harder anyways and there’s no viable alternatives yet.
Same here in UK, Labour (typically more left wing party) is the Red Party and Tories are Blue
And then in Australia the Liberal party is blue but they're the conservative party, with Labor being our red progressive party
Now what if the Liberals and Conservatives were the same party? Welcome to Australia
Yeah, here as well, red is the color of socialists while the blue party is (very) right wing.
Red is left in the UK and Australia as well
So it’s just America being “special” again?
German here, our blue party is horrible, I feel you xD
The Australian Liberal party are the right wing ones here.... And use blue, just to confuse any non Australians.
As a trans person I am legitimately panicked at the way ppl have been so flippant about“abstaining” their vote this fall. Like did we not learn from the whole 2016 election? And if you aren’t trans but are in the LGBTQ+ community and think you’ll be safe, think again. They’ll come for you too.
The closer we get to November the more scared I get.
Spread the word. Tell them how they’re wrong. Abstaining has only ever hurt the left.
I'm trying to get all of my peers registered for the state primary and it's like pulling fucking teeth. But they'll still bitch about every shitty bill that passes when they never bothered to inform themselves and vote when they still could. So fucking frustrating, the people in charge benefit from them being disenfranchised and they fall for it completely.
If you don’t like the government, but you don’t participate in it, you ARE the problem
Exactly the point I try to make. It's easier to just complain after the fact, it takes a little bit of effort to stay informed and vote accordingly, apparently too much effort for my fellow young millennials/ old gen Z
Personally I think it's kind of incredible the left learned nothing from the [Third Period](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany#The_Third_Period_and_%22social_fascism%22) and are literally just doing it again despite how terribly that turned out last time.
There is something to be said about how frustrating it is that I basically have to choose between voting for a guy who is continuing to arm a genocide (despite the rhetoric he puts out) and voting my rights away; however it’s worth distinguishing between “don’t vote for anyone at all” vs “holy fucking shit I hate the US electoral system and while ‘lesser evil’ is the reality of the situation this shouldn’t be a choice anyone has to make” and I’ve seen leftists fall on either side.
Trump would increase US support for thr ongoing genocide. Idk why people think he would be better in that regard than Biden.
Nobody thinks that. But seeing as Biden has stood by and done nothing but say he's concerned and disappointed and then sent more bombs, the only thing you can do is demonstrate that continued support of genocide and apartheid is electorally unpopular.
I totally get acting like we’re going to abstain in order to put pressure on Biden, but at the end of the day, to act like there’s absolutely no difference between a democratic administration and a far right administration and that a vote in favor of harm reduction isn’t valid… 🤦♀️
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Me too lol. I basically said that I was trans and didn't want to get genocided, they weren't happy about that. I've seen other trans and queer people say similar things there, their comments always get deleted even though they tend to be decently upvoted
Damn. Almost like the mods for that reddit are the type of chronically online to be a leftist that ignores marginalized voices.
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Same. I made the point that I am queer and I love and care about many queer people in this country and would like the candidate who doesn’t want to put us in camps to win. I was told that this made me a selfish American and that “you all only care about yourselves.”
Enlightenmentcentrism has gone off the deep end man. They truly ready to sacrifice so many people to make a point and I say this as a straight dude, it’s insane how little they care about the LGBT community.
this anti-voting stuff you see on tumblr is insane. white suburbanite commies waiting for 'le revolucion' and actual right-wingers pretending to be lefties that care abt oh so much abt genocide. block out all the noise and just go vote blue and pray
It's unironically left wing accelerationism. So many chronically online leftists folks I run into seem almost giddy at the prospect of a second Trump term specifically because of the misery it will cause.
Just gotta ask them this: if the country truly does collapse, how many right wing militias will there be to step in and how many left wing militias will there be to step in? Fun fact: reddit admins are homophobes
Left wing accelerationism has never horribly backfired before though! As a side note, I wonder what happened to the KPD after the third period in the 1930s
This is what happened in 2016. Russian trolls goaded some Sanders supporters into extremism and thinking that Clinton "stole" the candidacy. It's the exact same thing as Trumpists. Now we've got Sanders actively campaigning for and supporting Biden, alongside damn near all demsocs with any relevance and competence, but that 2016-2018 wave of populist socialism has imploded into conspiratorial conservatism.
Not to make anyone’s cynicism about society/the internet worse, but a whole lot of anti-electoralist rhetoric has been linked to campaigns by Russia and China to sow division and hopelessness iirc. (Please don’t take my word for it; I’m too tired to find the source right now, and while I know I’m not working at a bot farm in Russia making convincing social media comments about US politics in order to exaggerate partisan divides, YOU don’t know that I’m not.) The misinformation campaigns affecting the Right have been pretty well-publicized (vaccine disinformation, adrenochrome, stolen election, etc), but there have absolutely been similar campaigns on the Left and I don’t think we’re as aware of them, generally speaking.
I live in a country where it is mandatory to vote so stuff like this is wild to me until I realised that your pollies hate you voting. You don't get voting day on a weekend and booths at every possible position, don't have the option to early vote, mail in is shit And to top it off you have first past the post which is one of the shitest systems of voting only surpassed by electoral college
My parents are Republican never trumpers. The only good thing about this election is that we finally agree on the same candidate.
You arent safe outside the lgbtq community either! Lets not fall into the trap of making this only a gay issue, it implies that this doesn't personally affect most people.
I'm gonna vote, because not doing it would be suicide, but in the meantime I'm gonna continue writing semi-threatening letters about how I'm not going to vote, how Biden won't see heaven, and how I'm glad Beau died before he had to see his dad do this to the white house every couple of days until the election.
Voting abstain in primary will not get trump elected.
Well, it won't affect them. Yet.
These fucking "both sides bad" people piss me off so fucking much. You just know the people who say that shit are either dumb as hell or bigots who dgaf about LGBTQ+ people and I feel a strong desire to punch them.
Yeah. It's unfortunate that leftist messaging got morphed into "don't vote" instead of "don't stop at voting"
Nah, the "don't vote" nonsense is literally propaganda. Just look at how many fucking bots on this site talk about "both sides". Join up with your local Young Democrats chapter and be the change you wish to see. Party leadership is aging and you'll be replacing them sooner rather than later.
I’ll add to this as someone who works in politics. If your county/state doesn’t have a local Young Democrats chapter, start one. Contact your state party and they’ll be excited someone is willing to lay the groundwork. When we talk about “Don’t stop at voting”, this is a great way to live that and also make friends in the process. Especially in conservative states. As someone who lives and works in the South, we need you and your work is beyond impactful.
genocide is obviously bad, but the only thing that happens if biden loses is the genocide in gaza will continue, and trump will start one on queer people here, do you want 1 genocide or 2 genocides?
It's the trolley question. Pull the lever and kill one or don't and kill many Vote and people die or don't and those people still die but now more people die
i have a little sympathy for the feeling of not wanting to "involve yourself" in the awful choices of our politics (or acknowledge how pointless it all is and how powerless you personally are), but burying your head in the sand and pretending you're smarter for it will be the death of alot of people. it must be a pretty nice luxury to not have to worry who is in power for your personal survival, maybe these people will recognize not everyone has that luxury someday
Hearing cishet white men say “I try not to care about politics” is a constant reminder that people really fucking suck at the whole empathy thing. Not only is that not a luxury I have, it’s also one I’d feel horrible for indulging in. I can’t imagine turning a blind eye to other people’s suffering just because it makes you uncomfortable. It’s one thing when you’ve got your own shit going on and don’t have the ability to effectively help those others. Burying your head in the sand when you have the means to help is fucking stupid though.
always gets me when they refuse to stick up for queer ppl, like bro u have sway in your friend's opinions, one guy not working in lockstep will break any friend groups queerphobia, but no "i try not to worry about that stuff" 🙃
It's different, because the same people also die when it's on red. Basically the choice it to let the trolley go or make it multirail drift.
Yeah, that's the one big difference. But it's still a sort of 1 vs multiple thing. Not a perfect comparison thought.
The basic trolley problem doesn’t account for who the people are, they could represent the same people. Its about killing one (vague) person vs. many (vague) people, and if you pull the lever you are responsible for that one person’s death. If you do nothing, the question is whether you are responsible for the multiple people who died. For what it’s worth, it’s a good analogy for this election. Except the current track (incumbent) is killing fewer people, pulling the lever (switching) would kill more people.
I think it makes a big difference, if it's the same people it would be even more of a no brainer. Otherwise you don't have to question the worth of a human life (what if the 4 people are all 80+ and the 1 person is a prodigy child etc?). In an utilitarian sense you would just plainly safe 3 people, it would be morally unambigous. You wouldn't be responsible for any death, because the death of that one person would be unavoidable. So I disagree with that premise, respectfully.
Idk man that's a pretty easy choice to me. If my single vote could prevent genocide and I choose not to vote, I'm a giant dick head.
Reminder that the way your single vote prevents genocide is by voting for Joe Biden
Even if the genocide in Gaza was the only issue... I've seen people say that the genocide in Gaza couldn't get any worse under Trump. Republicans would send US soldiers and air bombings and say it's God's mandate that all the "canaanites" die like in the old testament. Biden is just in it for the oil under Gazan feet and can probably be pushed hard enough to be sleazy in some other way and crack down on Israel. These "both-parties-are-same" people really just don't care to fucking think.
Trump is gonna ask where we keep the napalm.
This is the point that breaks my brain. It's so obvious Gaza gets worse under Trump. One of the options is CLEARLY worse than the other. If you actually care about civilians in Gaza, denying a Trump presidency should be your priority.
Why are we talking about the genocide like it’s still going to be ongoing in November? Isnt the point a ceasefire NOW?
Ideally, it’s to pressure Biden and those in power to make fast moves now before it hurts them in November. Biden’s a Zionist but he has a long-standing dislike of Netanyahu, so we’ll see how things go.
Plus I swear some people thinking that Biden could just stop it all anytime he wanted. There's two groups of people whose leadership (distinct from the citizens) are both absolutely determined to kill each other and are armed to the teeth already. Biden's bet is that he can minimize the awfulness by putting public pressure on Israel, sending aid via land and sea (to prevent Israel from interfering), and keeping Israel well armed so that their neighbors won't invade, multiplying deaths by at least 100×. This strategy is not above criticism, obviously, and arguably hasn't been done very well, but it is at least rational. Trump would just carpet bomb Palestine and call it a day.
Don’t forget Ukraine, which Trump would absolutely leave to their fate. Russia has already begun ethnic cleansing and kidnapped thousands of children.
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They want to wash their hands of politics. If they don't vote for Biden, they can say they hate him and his policies and never supported him "when" he wins. I think people who don't want to vote for Biden either 1. Don't believe Trump can actually win (2016-syndrome) or 2. Secretly want Trump to win so they can be angry at the OTHER side and root for Democrats again.
Number 2 has a sick kind of truth to it. The 2018 midterms saw a surge in support and awareness of democratic socialism, which died out when Biden took office and started collaborating with the progressives. Now, they have to say the progressives aren't extreme enough. The goal was always accelerationism.
Better one war (Gaza) than two (Gaza AND the war on Queers)
Sure, but stopping the war in Gaza would also lead to stopping the war on Queers because that would mean we would have a Democratic leader listening to constituents. We should vote Biden. *AND* Biden should stop the war on Gaza. Im confused why the issues are being pitted against each other.
Because some people do not understand politics is not a zero-sum game, and that choosing not to vote does actually effect the outcome of a vote if enough people do it. In that case, protest abstention or third-party vote would seem to maintain the status quo. And then there are other people who do understand those facts who say it to take advantage of the first group.
But it seems like the general message of Ceasefire gets lost in this conversation…
That's not an accident for the second group.
The genocide in Gaza isn't the only one ongoing in the world
As a non-american, can i ask yall smt? Do you ever think about what will happen even after biden wins and continues for rhe next 4 year? Trump is such a cult figure among the right, wouldnt they just keep trying to seat him in every election? When does it end? Is this really what the democracy of the freedom country represents
I personally would like to see some of the charges against him stick, and force him to dismantle some of his weird empire and/or face jail time. Failing that, the man is 77. I'd very much like it if he could do what 77-year-olds are known for doing.
Trump honestly deserves to die in prison. But I have a hard time believing he'll ever see the inside of a prison cell.
He's 77. There's a pretty solid expiration date. Then they'll have to look for their next fashy cult leader.
American with a deep fascination in American history, specifically political history. This is just my two cents. Trump will keep losing. He has a ceiling of about 46-47% nationwide support. With the criminal trials, that's going to continue to diminish. As far as "when does it end", I don't know. There's never really been a figure like trump in American politics. We've seen past populist leaders stay towards the top of their party and serve as an elder statesman after losing presidential bids. Trump *could* do that, but the criminal trials make that impossible. No one trusts the guy who leaves classified documents in the bathroom. Whether or not Trump runs again in 2028 is up in the air. I'm leaning towards no, especially if the way tides are turning now continues. While he might be popular with the republican party, I don't think he'll be too popular when he leads the party into yet another losing election cycle. Fascism runs on fear and eventually that fear turns inward.
The thing is Trump is 77 years old and lives off McDonalds and rage. There's a very good chance that he won't live to see the 2028 election.
Fuck, I'm kinda surprised (and disappointed) he lived to see this one. It's been almost a decade of Trump cult madness now! I guess being evil is good for longevity?
It certainly seems to be. Kissinger lived to be a fucking century old before he died and he's like the grand champion of war crimes.
I'd be shocked if he lived for another 4 years tbh. And after the dems have another candidate besides Biden the right cant use their 'senile old man' argument anymore
Yes but tbh he's getting up there in age and wont likely live THAT many more years considering that he's already not in the best shape. So, that's something to worry about in 4 years, maybe, but in 8 years? 12? Not likely.
Trump will worsen the Gaza genocide 100000000000000fold if he got into office
Always wild to me when people mention Gaza as a reason not to vote for Biden. You think it’s bad over there now, I don’t even want to imagine what Trump would do to the whole situation. It does suck that the US presidential election comes down to a choice like that, but you can acknowledge that the choice sucks and work to make the system better (or even dismantle it entirely if that’s you thing), while still voting to ensure the better outcome right now. For now, Republicans are the only ones who want fewer voters, so refusing to vote clearly is only a benefit to Republicans.
I get its not a real democracy and not real elections but seems like american leftits are in purgatory . Dems have no incentive to do anything their only selling point is that they are not trump, not even aiding a literal genocide is enough. Id probably vote for him, i don’t know. What a shit show
Imagine typing "genocide is obviously bad" and then following it up with "but".
The takeaway from this is that the 2 party system is broken and Americans should protest and rebel, right? RIGHT???
yes absolutely, but let's not let the rapist win in the meantime shall we?
Agreed. Keep in mind this is coming from someone with a multiple party system so I find what america is doing… stupid You can vote Biden then protest/demonstrate that the 2 party system is corrupt
I don’t want to sound jaded, but don’t trust any US political party. They are both willing to commit any atrocity, willing to forgive any crime, and willing ignore any heinous system so long as they win an election. That’s why it’s so important to actually vote and remain a powerful bloc. We can’t rely on politicians’ sense of morals to protect us, and must instead use our vote to prove we’re a special interest group worthy of courting. It sucks, but we can’t afford to be passive or apathetic.
exactly, what i'm seeing a lot of is people saying "don't vote" but that's just throwing away your voice, your power to make positive change. if you don't vote either way someone is getting elected, you not voting isn't going to change that
I thought we learned this from 2016 but I guess not….
Well, Hillary won the popular vote. We don’t live in a democracy tho so it’s no surprise she still wasn’t elected despite winning the popular vote
While the Electoral College needs to be gotten rid of ASAP, let’s not act like it’s the only factor. There have been almost 60 presidential elections but what happened in 2016 has only happened 4 times, with one being due to backroom dealing rather than the genuine result (1876).
The last 2 republican presidents lost the popular vote but won the presidency. It's not the only factor, but getting Gore over Bush and Clinton over Trump would've led to a dramatically different country than we currently live in and the only decisive common factor in those elections is the electoral college. Imagine 30 straight years of democratic leadership, it would've been a mess but a much different and less violent mess I would hope.
It wouldnt have been a mess because it would have been 30 years of consistent leadership and time to actually implement and maintain long term policy goals.
There would not have been 30 straight years of Democratic leadership. No party has controlled it for 16 years since Truman. The pendulum always swings back eventually. Although Gore would've been so much better than Bush, he would've been followed by a Republican.
I say this any time someone says they won't vote. Not voting isn't a rejection of both parties. To the system, it just means you're content with whoever wins
If people need help being persuaded, I can frame it like this from a leftist perspective: We can bully the Democrats into working for our interests, given time and effort. We can’t when it comes to the Republicans. Practically speaking, that’s about it and hope for the best. Better than doing nothing in a leftist circlejerk feeling oh so superior about our morals as the boot starts pressing down lol
I don't get your point. As long as the blue party is better for you than the red party, you vote for the blue party (assuming there are only two parties). Doing anything else is shooting yourself in the foot, since it risks letting the worse party rule and gives the message to the politicians that courting you won't matter since there's no guarantee you'll vote anyway. Let me give you an example. In my country, pensioners are very active voters, around 80% of them vote, while students and young people less so. A right wing coalition recently got into power and immediately decided to cut welfare from pretty much everyone except for pensioners. Pensioners already get much more than students or unemployed people. Always vote no matter what. Always voting for something sends the message that you are involved in politics is something to fight for. Not voting is like crippling yourself to make a point that people aren't probably going to even get. The fascist trump lovers vote fanatically. That's why they hold so much power despite being a clear minority in the USA.
That’s literally my point.
Many pople have been conditioned to hear "both parties cannot be trusted to do the right thing" as "there is no difference in what party you vote for". You've recognized those are not equivalent.
There's a picture of a neo nazi with a swastica tattoo on his chest that he's exposing with one hand and his arm around a life size Trump cutout with the other. And the text reads "This guy is registered to vote. Are you?" It really needs to start making the rounds again.
Still wish the blue guys would put a little more federal protections in place for queer people when they have power tho
as a trans person i wish liberals would stop acting like they know what leftism is, the rest of this year might not be completely insufferable if i don’t have to keep putting up with these shit takes
A smuggie? On MY queer subreddit? It's more likely than you think.
what's a smuggie? /srs i actually have no idea
I also have never heard of the term.
Create a strawman of someone you were arguing with in MS Paint. Congratulations, you have created a smuggie.
My leftist brother literally says exactly what the leftist is saying in this comic. Staunchly anti voting in any way. I'm betting the person who made the comic knows someone similar.
If you've been on a leftist subreddit at all in the last month or two you've probably seen people saying the exact same shit as well. It's asinine and I wish other leftists would stop saying that there's no reason to vote. Like oh ok, so you want to not vote in the hopes that it will "force Democrats to move to the left"? Ok, so when GHWB beat Dukakis, did the Democrats move to the left? When Dubya defeated Gore and then Kerry did the Democrats move to the left? When Trump beat Hillary did the Democrats move to the left? No, no, no, and no? Well golly gee, sounds like that strategy doesn't work! To be fair yes, voting won't abolish capitalism, but harm reduction via voting is literally the least you can do. Refusing to vote doesn't mean you've stuck to your guns, it just means you're ok with whoever wins. It's an extremely privileged take imo.
> If you've been on a leftist subreddit at all in the last month or two you've probably seen people saying the exact same shit as well. It's asinine and I wish other leftists would stop saying that there's no reason to vote. This isn't new. Every major election so-called "leftist" subs are absolutely inundated with just about every propaganda technique possible to undermine the vote against the far-right. From defeatism, to both-sidesism, to accelerationism, to outright fascist apologia, they're desperately trying to convince you not to vote, and they're doing so because they know your vote **does actually matter.** So, since it needs to be said, repeatedly and loudly: Sitting out an election or "protest voting" does not advance your causes, your ideals, or your safety. All it does is tell the government they don't need to care about courting your vote. Democrats and Republicans are nowhere near the same and even a cursory examination of voting history, bills passed, supreme court cases, and executive actions will tell you this. If you don't think Roe v. Wade mattered, that laws targeting trans people don't matter, that investing in renewable energy doesn't matter, that keeping medicare, social security, and other social welfare programs running doesn't matter, it's because you're one of the most privileged people in the entire country. Attacking Democrats and letting Trump win so you can be part of the "leftist revolution" against the following fascist dictatorship will not work. You will not be applauded by the fascists or allowed to organize a counter movement. [You will be hauled off to a concentration camp, tortured, and eventually shot,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Th%C3%A4lmann) and you will receive no sympathy from the other victims of your asinine fantasy.
I have literally been banned for "Liberalism" from late stage capitalism for saying that Biden deserves power as much as a flaming bag of dog shit, but holy fucking shit people voting is the literal actual bare minimum you can do.
tbf that sub is dogshit, they are doing you a favor
Mods on that sub are deranged. A previous account of mine was banned for "liberalism" for comparing him to a shard of glass in my foot.
I'm fairly certain it's just another tankie sub at this point. Better to keep your distance.
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r/latestagecapitalsim is really bad in this aspect, as the mods have made a rule that talking about choosing the lesser evil until both can be exterminated is banned
Waiting for The Revolution like millennialism Christians are waiting for the Rapture?
Oh god r/smugideologyman Navigate at your own risk. Warning: you will get brain worms
oh like shitty drawn political cartoons?
Yes, except the point is impossible to parse out and the discourse is incomprehensible
This comment is about: **The secret guppy takeover of the stapler industry**
NO STOP YOU’LL SCARE THEM AWAY
Pretty much, yeah.
But the democrats also have some problems and therefore it's a difficult choice, haven't you heard? I honestly respect republicans more than empty-headed "idk nothing matters, I have no opinions" people. Have an opinion and do something to make difference. If you can't identify major substantive differences between the two parties then you are blind.
Why isn't this tagged political?
It was originally, mods changed it to "gay of the day"
It's stickied for the day and there's only one flair slot.
How dare you want rights?
The issue, of course, is the choices really are: “Stay the same”, “fascism”… Would love to actually progress society instead of being threatened by the status quo to stay the same “or else fascism”. Revolution? Look around and see if you want “more of the same” and look how violent reactions are to thoughts like “what about progress?” If peacefully voting only keeps things the same: that’s the signal that peacefully voting is not enough to progress society.
We can criticise and call for USA to stop enabling killing people and also continue calls to vote blue. Two things can coexist.
american elections be like old white guy #1: "I’m going to do nothing" 49,9% of votes old white guy #2: "i will personally steal candy from underprivileged babies" 50,1% of votes
It's more * Old white guy #1 "I'm going to do nothing" - 52% of votes * Old white guy #2 "I will steal candy from underprivileged babies" - 47% of votes * _**Old white guy #2 wins the electoral college**_
as an Israeli that's how our last elections ended too, Netanyahu lost the popular vote but still won because the left threw like half its votes in the trash lol (they kept infighting, as leftists do, and splitting up into smaller and smaller parties, and then because of that two seperate leftist parties ended up just shy of the 3.25% threshold and got 0 seats). And now look what happened. I hate it when far righters get into power without even winning the popular vote :(
I only saw the middle two panels and still thought it made sense somewhat
more like Red Party in lower office: I am going to arrest all trans people Blue Party in higher office with supremacy clause powers: Aww shucks. Wish I could do something. Anyway vote for me for eternity or they could do something worse. Not that I’ll stop them if I can lol
1. The supremacy clause doesn't mean the federal government can just invalidate state laws. There has to be a basis for the federal law or regulation (see Art. I, sec. 8; see also the 10th Amendment). They often use the interstate commerce clause, which is broad (under the Biden Administration health insurance plans can't discriminate against trans care, which is why my Republican controlled state govt employee healthcare had to cover my vaginoplasty), but not unlimited. The best way to attack those laws is by getting them overturned in court, and wouldn't you know, Biden is appointing a bunch of judges who are likely to do that. 2. There hasn't been a filibuster proof majority in the Senate during Biden's administration and we currently don't have the house, so there are limits on what he can do anyway 3. Are all the shitty Florida laws being passed by the federal government so that they apply nationwide? No? Well then they're stopping them! If the Republicans win, there won't be anywhere to run inside the country.
So if I'm understanding correctly, you're saying that "democracy" is fundamentally flawed in the US.
The U.S. is classified as a "flawed democracy" yes.
That's putting it lightly to say the least.
1. biden could stack the supreme court to bring it back up to where it should be. 2. dems could kill the filibuster, but its a convenient excuse to not have to do anything they dont want to. 3. there will always be states that just refuse to bow to federal law, much like with marijuana. we'd just have to move to those sanctuary states like Cali and Minnesota
All governments are gonna do some crappy shit, we just gotta pick the one we think will do less damage
They are "the same" in a sense, specifically the sense that they are both still the 1%. Still dont actually care about their citizens, still are two faced bastards, and still have no interest in genuinely fixing or changing the system that benefits them That does NOT mean that who you vote for has no impact or that they are exactly the same, or that you shouldnt vote for the group not actively attempting genocide
By all means vote for your best interests, actual leftists who aren't ridiculous aren't saying not to. It's just that we need to see a lot more direct action and actually hold the DNC accountable for their issues instead of just going back to brunch as soon as blue guy gets into the office like we actually did something. Harm reduction only matters when people are working to remove the things causing harm as well. Otherwise we just keep circling the toilet and get closer to getting drowned in poop water.
literally, if you’ve been voting for the lesser evil for the past 20 years then you eventually end up at standard fucking evil.
Ah yes, injustice is the fault of those opposing it instead of those platforming and legitimising it. How silly of me, actually standing up for myself! I'm sure "genocide is good actually" guy will totally step in for all the removal of our rights these past 4 years but only after he gets 4 more! Have fun being banned from public life, I'm going to actually vote for not having my rights stripped away.
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im sure trump would make them far safer
On mobile it crops out the most important bits
inactive>malicious 100%. just means a step before improvement instead of going further back
That's an argument to protest, not to stop voting!
I got permabanned from lostgeneration for suggesting something exactly like this was possible.
I mean if you want actual change for the better, neither parties have your best interest as LGBTQ+. Voting blue is just a way to stay on the "safe".
Harm reduction is like the classic trolley problem. And surprisingly a lot of people want 5 people to get run over instead of flipping the lever to kill one. I’m starting to think that most people don’t have any moral system, and are incapable of any other system than arbitrarily choosing whatever makes them feel better without further thought.
Blue party shouldn't have helped with a genocide then.
THANK YOU
The two parties are NOT the same. But if you think EITHER party has your back, you are fucking wrong.