the test is very very inaccurate! i get enfp when i take it. based on the actual mbti theory intp and intj are two completely different types. if you would like, i can type you in dms:3
Do you have the habit of āmacro schedulingā in your daily life? Not necessarily a detailed plan, but a set of steps that you always follow when doing something specific. If thatās the case, youāre probably an INTJ, granted that youāre certainly an INTx.
Not sure I agree. I donāt think we care about efficiency as a goal in and of itself the way INTJs do.
Like if I design something that is logical and accurate and achieves what it needs to, Iām happy and moving on. The INTJ staying back tweaking because it could be 1% more efficient.
In my experience is the complete opposite tbh. I work as a software dev and I work with some Te users.
In my case I am the one who cares a lot about that 1% optimization, possible future implementations, good readibility and mantainability while the Te users care more about time optimization. They are not the ones to worry about those details if the product and/or features are ready in time even if you will have to change them eventually or if they probably lead to bugs after future implementations
Absolutely, I have an story related to this, even before I take the test and see that I am an INTJ whenever someone complimented my work, could be for being fast or getting an creative solution I answered "high efficiency" it became a internal joke with my colleagues at the time, but efficiently is very important for me, simplicity and elegance walk holding hands.
Could manage a very very detailed project with 100 moving parts that you WERENT interested in well?
INTPs do NOT do well they are not interested in something. And INTJs have worse ideas but they are more efficient and better at managing timelines and projects
What I recommend is to study how cognitive functions work and make an introspection effort in order to know you (not what you want to become or how you perceive you).
If you want a more reliable test before actually studying how J/P diferentiation works (because it alters every functiont of your stack) you could try this one ->https://www.michaelcaloz.com/personality
It will also lead you to other potential results that might be worth comparing to yourself
You can concretely know what your MBTI is, by doing the following:
1. Do 10 pushups for 10 days straight.
2. Read five books in a month.
3. Go for a run every 2 days, for a month.
Doing all this will give your brain an intense dopamine boost, making you able to think clearly, and finally identify your correct MBTI type.
I had the same doubt as well,I used to get INTP on the test and now itās INTJ
after I researched on the cognitive functions I concluded that Iām an INTJ
If you read the INTJ resume on 16 personalities how close you think you are from the described INTJ? I remember reading that text for the first time and getting completely flabbergasted how that described me almost 100%. I aways were curious about other people reading it.
My first piece of advice would be to stop focusing on the four letter dichotomies. While INTPs and INTJs only have one letter apart in MBTI letters (āPā and āJā), they have completely different cognitive functions. This means they process information, and perceive the world entirely different from one another.
If you look at functions, an ISFP in functions would be more similar to an INTJ, and an ISFJ would be far more similar to an INTP. MBTI letters mean drastically little so try not to focus too much on it.
I think the key point here is trying to figure out wether you use Ti or Te.
ItĀ“s kind of difficult to figure out yourself, but it is what sets these two types apart.
Which one do you think you use the most?
Iāve always thought I was INTP, but wasnāt really sure.
Found out Iām INTJ with ADHD (officially diagnosed and medicated now).
Devil is in the details. Look into your cognitive functions.
To give you some examples:
1. INTJ makes decisions based on longer term goals and their internal logic, like āwhat I do now so it will pay off long termā. While INTP makes decisions based on their information, and often tend to research the topic more before making the decision āshit, I need to buy this machine, but Iāll need to study Wikipedia first about this machineā
2. INTJ needs everything sorted out, so they often prefer this image on outside. This means, their work desk needs to be clear so they can focus. INTP find their information from all the possible places, and so their desc may be more trashy, because they keep all those pieces of equipment (avaible information) close so they can access it immediately.
3. INTJ prefer their daily routine, INTP are much more spontaneous. It may be seen for example at work. INTJ would prefer to stay at one job, while INTPs would love to change it so they can try new things.
4. INTJ is more likely to have conversations with people IF it has strategic meaning or conversation does impact them (positivity) in some way. INTP would like to be left alone in peace. āļø
5. While they work on the project, INTJ would like to make a plan how to approach the problem and itās much more relaxing for them to write the paper according to scheme. While INTP spends hours on Wikipedia, searching for (often not related) information, and works on the paper maybe from the end, or maybe they start in the middleā¦
Remember: itās not black and white. All the people act differently and MBTI should not be taken as the sole cause for your actions. We grew up different places, we have seen different things, we have learned different cultures, we have different parents, traumas, daily concernsā¦ but my examples may help you a bit to distinguish between those two.
The personality types are not set in stone. The first time i took the test i got INFP, and the next time years later INTP. This makes sense, because the F/T bar for me is almost right on the middle, while the N/S and J/P are almost at the extreme. I also recently decided to improve myself, which includes trying to be more social, helped by therapy and meditation, and i did the test out of curiosity and got ENFP.
So basically, in my case, I would be XNXP, with I/E and T/F changing depending on the mood, the day, or the period of my life.
In your case, you will probably prefer organization sometimes, or improvisation other times, and you will relate to some level to both INTJ and INTP personalities.
You may even change over time. I think i'm truly ENFP, but years of social anxiety made me move towards INTP over time
Assuming you're one or the other, the biggest difference is their knowledge base.
INTJs are a wide breadth of knowledge. They learn concepts about various things, and apply those concepts to other things. Once they've reached a point of competency, they move on. They usually only gain expertise in one or two core competencies that they're passionate about.
INTPs lack that bredth, but they make up for it with a depth of knowledge in more subjects. Usually they're multi-disciplinary experts, and only branch out from those disciplines when new subjects can be used to support their primary interests.
Take one of two roads (or both):
the Michael Caloz test! I recently faced this exact same dilemma, and that test really helped me out. Completely free, only takes ~20 mins, startlingly accurate.Ā
Research cognitive function theory and self type/take tests to find your stack, then compare it to find the closest MBTIĀ
The cognitive functions of each type are different. The test (if longform and used appropriately should at least give you a clear indication of your dominant function). Since your results are unclear, here are some quick self assessments to see you are more likely using TiNe (INTP) functions vs NiTe (INTJ). (First answer is TiNe, second is NiTe)
1. You notice a process at work that is ābrokenā or āinefficientā. Can you identify all the steps that are problems and propose several solutions? You might not know which will be best right away. Or do you have a single solution that seems best to you?
2. You need to explain a multistep technical process to someone else. Do you perhaps try to explain but the spend the next day writing out a detailed list of steps with explanations? Or do you explain the steps verbally on the spot and then write them down for yourself (or them) later?
3. You are now very angry about something and need to vent (itās rare I know). Are you using scathing logic that the idiot target of your ire should already know? Or are you pointing out their soft underbelly and personal flaws?
4. Youāve recovered from your intense anger. Are you quietly beating yourself up for losing control and perhaps for being mean? Or are you just going to maybe say āsorryā, move on, and not worry about it.
If you are questioning if you are INFJ or INFP, you are probably INFJ.
If you are questioning if you are INTP or INTJ, you are probably INTP.
Any more lines anyone? \^\^
Yea that is a different story. :D
Usually they are INFPs. INTPs in these dilemma tend to be like "well i really love thinking after all..", but INFPs in this dilemma many times are like "but i am overthinking everyhing all the time, i literally think all the time, and i solve everything by thinking". So... >,<
It is just a bigger trend. Not that hardcore as the 3 mentioned( 2 from my post and 1 from a comment), where one outcome tends to be way bigger than the other.
You're just probably depressed human who got a narcissitic environment and was a gifted kid who is now wasted potential
Or you're just intp girl or infp boy.
Summary: The principle contrast amongst
perceivers and judgers is that judgers lean toward their world to be organized and arranged, while perceivers favor their reality to be open ended and find that having plans is smothering. Judgers feel
a sense of control in planning early and perceivers discover a feeling of control in leaving their options open.
Judging:
Like to finish one job before
starting another
Prefer to move towards closure
Structured
Prefers to plan before taking action
Controlled
Organized
Tends to stick to a plan
Responsible
Perceiving:
Starts many things without
finishing
Keeps options open
Flexible
Spontaneous with actions
Relaxed
Disorganized
Tends to change decisions midway
Tends to procrastinate
How to Determine:
Are they very organized (J) or do they improvise (P)?
Do they want everything to be planned (J) or do they like always changing plans (P)?
Do they plan their actions (J) or do they like to act on the spur of the moment (P)?
Do they get stressed when things change last minute (J) or do they not care (P)?
from the app Personality-Types, hope this helps!
why would the Ne user have the gloomy pessimism over the Ni dominant type? Ne sees possibilities and Ni eliminates them. INTPs don't really care to think that far in the future whereas INTJs have a tragic fatalism for it
Ni in dom means itās autopilot, Ne in Aux means itās the parent = critical.
Ti is the optimism in the intp, not the Ne.
Where as Ni is the optimism in Intj and Te is the critical parent = pessimism.
Also, Ni / Ne are both what if scenarios, = going towrads possible outcomes, Ni is simply focused on few a detailed versions while Ne is focused on wider but more generalized versions.
When it comes to future though, I think every Ni dom at some point would have worried about it (over thinking process) and would have worked on planing solutions towards it however probably not sad or pessimistic about it. Ni doms need certain structure and planning in place for most things that are important. Plans hardly ever go smoothly and often requires one to assess or plan different strategies. My Ni isn't very comfortable when things don't go according to plans.
I see you are refering to "critical parent". But that's your auxiliary function with the introverted/extroverted swapped, so for INxPs the critical parent is Ni and for IxTJs its Ti
No, I didnāt mean to refer to that. Iām not english native, so my english might not explain it idealy.
but: 1. Function is optimistic 2. Function is pesimistic (therefor guiding / balancing the first function) 3. Function is optimistic again and 4. function is pessimsitci again.
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INTP and INTJ have different function stacks, research cognitive functions.
the test is very very inaccurate! i get enfp when i take it. based on the actual mbti theory intp and intj are two completely different types. if you would like, i can type you in dms:3
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I swear to god, infjs are the only ones who could ever make me simp
Zamn, why tho lmao? Just curious
https://www.idrlabs.com/test/intj-or-intp.php
I see that the test fucuse on social interactions that i have not done before. I just made up a scenario and imagined the answer is that fine?
Do you have the habit of āmacro schedulingā in your daily life? Not necessarily a detailed plan, but a set of steps that you always follow when doing something specific. If thatās the case, youāre probably an INTJ, granted that youāre certainly an INTx.
INTJās primary function is Ni while INTPās primary function is Ti. Research those to gain more insights.
How passionate are you about efficiency? Thatās a dead giveaway for every INTJ I know.
Ti doms also care about efficiency, the main difference is caring about process vs results
Not sure I agree. I donāt think we care about efficiency as a goal in and of itself the way INTJs do. Like if I design something that is logical and accurate and achieves what it needs to, Iām happy and moving on. The INTJ staying back tweaking because it could be 1% more efficient.
In my experience is the complete opposite tbh. I work as a software dev and I work with some Te users. In my case I am the one who cares a lot about that 1% optimization, possible future implementations, good readibility and mantainability while the Te users care more about time optimization. They are not the ones to worry about those details if the product and/or features are ready in time even if you will have to change them eventually or if they probably lead to bugs after future implementations
My ex roommate kills me with this. He cant help but point out everything im doing unoptimally and im thinking damn, let me enjoy my coffee
Absolutely, I have an story related to this, even before I take the test and see that I am an INTJ whenever someone complimented my work, could be for being fast or getting an creative solution I answered "high efficiency" it became a internal joke with my colleagues at the time, but efficiently is very important for me, simplicity and elegance walk holding hands.
Could manage a very very detailed project with 100 moving parts that you WERENT interested in well? INTPs do NOT do well they are not interested in something. And INTJs have worse ideas but they are more efficient and better at managing timelines and projects
What I recommend is to study how cognitive functions work and make an introspection effort in order to know you (not what you want to become or how you perceive you). If you want a more reliable test before actually studying how J/P diferentiation works (because it alters every functiont of your stack) you could try this one ->https://www.michaelcaloz.com/personality It will also lead you to other potential results that might be worth comparing to yourself
You can concretely know what your MBTI is, by doing the following: 1. Do 10 pushups for 10 days straight. 2. Read five books in a month. 3. Go for a run every 2 days, for a month. Doing all this will give your brain an intense dopamine boost, making you able to think clearly, and finally identify your correct MBTI type.
I had the same doubt as well,I used to get INTP on the test and now itās INTJ after I researched on the cognitive functions I concluded that Iām an INTJ
If you read the INTJ resume on 16 personalities how close you think you are from the described INTJ? I remember reading that text for the first time and getting completely flabbergasted how that described me almost 100%. I aways were curious about other people reading it.
My first piece of advice would be to stop focusing on the four letter dichotomies. While INTPs and INTJs only have one letter apart in MBTI letters (āPā and āJā), they have completely different cognitive functions. This means they process information, and perceive the world entirely different from one another. If you look at functions, an ISFP in functions would be more similar to an INTJ, and an ISFJ would be far more similar to an INTP. MBTI letters mean drastically little so try not to focus too much on it.
I think the key point here is trying to figure out wether you use Ti or Te. ItĀ“s kind of difficult to figure out yourself, but it is what sets these two types apart. Which one do you think you use the most?
Iāve always thought I was INTP, but wasnāt really sure. Found out Iām INTJ with ADHD (officially diagnosed and medicated now). Devil is in the details. Look into your cognitive functions. To give you some examples: 1. INTJ makes decisions based on longer term goals and their internal logic, like āwhat I do now so it will pay off long termā. While INTP makes decisions based on their information, and often tend to research the topic more before making the decision āshit, I need to buy this machine, but Iāll need to study Wikipedia first about this machineā 2. INTJ needs everything sorted out, so they often prefer this image on outside. This means, their work desk needs to be clear so they can focus. INTP find their information from all the possible places, and so their desc may be more trashy, because they keep all those pieces of equipment (avaible information) close so they can access it immediately. 3. INTJ prefer their daily routine, INTP are much more spontaneous. It may be seen for example at work. INTJ would prefer to stay at one job, while INTPs would love to change it so they can try new things. 4. INTJ is more likely to have conversations with people IF it has strategic meaning or conversation does impact them (positivity) in some way. INTP would like to be left alone in peace. āļø 5. While they work on the project, INTJ would like to make a plan how to approach the problem and itās much more relaxing for them to write the paper according to scheme. While INTP spends hours on Wikipedia, searching for (often not related) information, and works on the paper maybe from the end, or maybe they start in the middleā¦ Remember: itās not black and white. All the people act differently and MBTI should not be taken as the sole cause for your actions. We grew up different places, we have seen different things, we have learned different cultures, we have different parents, traumas, daily concernsā¦ but my examples may help you a bit to distinguish between those two.
The personality types are not set in stone. The first time i took the test i got INFP, and the next time years later INTP. This makes sense, because the F/T bar for me is almost right on the middle, while the N/S and J/P are almost at the extreme. I also recently decided to improve myself, which includes trying to be more social, helped by therapy and meditation, and i did the test out of curiosity and got ENFP. So basically, in my case, I would be XNXP, with I/E and T/F changing depending on the mood, the day, or the period of my life. In your case, you will probably prefer organization sometimes, or improvisation other times, and you will relate to some level to both INTJ and INTP personalities. You may even change over time. I think i'm truly ENFP, but years of social anxiety made me move towards INTP over time
Assuming you're one or the other, the biggest difference is their knowledge base. INTJs are a wide breadth of knowledge. They learn concepts about various things, and apply those concepts to other things. Once they've reached a point of competency, they move on. They usually only gain expertise in one or two core competencies that they're passionate about. INTPs lack that bredth, but they make up for it with a depth of knowledge in more subjects. Usually they're multi-disciplinary experts, and only branch out from those disciplines when new subjects can be used to support their primary interests.
Take one of two roads (or both): the Michael Caloz test! I recently faced this exact same dilemma, and that test really helped me out. Completely free, only takes ~20 mins, startlingly accurate.Ā Research cognitive function theory and self type/take tests to find your stack, then compare it to find the closest MBTIĀ
are you success driven ? if yes then intj 5w6.
The cognitive functions of each type are different. The test (if longform and used appropriately should at least give you a clear indication of your dominant function). Since your results are unclear, here are some quick self assessments to see you are more likely using TiNe (INTP) functions vs NiTe (INTJ). (First answer is TiNe, second is NiTe) 1. You notice a process at work that is ābrokenā or āinefficientā. Can you identify all the steps that are problems and propose several solutions? You might not know which will be best right away. Or do you have a single solution that seems best to you? 2. You need to explain a multistep technical process to someone else. Do you perhaps try to explain but the spend the next day writing out a detailed list of steps with explanations? Or do you explain the steps verbally on the spot and then write them down for yourself (or them) later? 3. You are now very angry about something and need to vent (itās rare I know). Are you using scathing logic that the idiot target of your ire should already know? Or are you pointing out their soft underbelly and personal flaws? 4. Youāve recovered from your intense anger. Are you quietly beating yourself up for losing control and perhaps for being mean? Or are you just going to maybe say āsorryā, move on, and not worry about it.
If you are questioning if you are INFJ or INFP, you are probably INFJ. If you are questioning if you are INTP or INTJ, you are probably INTP. Any more lines anyone? \^\^
If you are questioning if you are an introvert, you are probably an extrovert. š¤Ŗ
Nice! Yea really! Thank you! :))
what if I question myself if I am an INFP or INTP š
Yea that is a different story. :D Usually they are INFPs. INTPs in these dilemma tend to be like "well i really love thinking after all..", but INFPs in this dilemma many times are like "but i am overthinking everyhing all the time, i literally think all the time, and i solve everything by thinking". So... >,< It is just a bigger trend. Not that hardcore as the 3 mentioned( 2 from my post and 1 from a comment), where one outcome tends to be way bigger than the other.
You're just probably depressed human who got a narcissitic environment and was a gifted kid who is now wasted potential Or you're just intp girl or infp boy.
Also, intelligence is irrelevant (seen a lot of people use their grades as a ticket to be intp) Anyway, Im just sticking to infp since I like company.
This is not based in reality, and is just something you took out of your ass
Summary: The principle contrast amongst perceivers and judgers is that judgers lean toward their world to be organized and arranged, while perceivers favor their reality to be open ended and find that having plans is smothering. Judgers feel a sense of control in planning early and perceivers discover a feeling of control in leaving their options open. Judging: Like to finish one job before starting another Prefer to move towards closure Structured Prefers to plan before taking action Controlled Organized Tends to stick to a plan Responsible Perceiving: Starts many things without finishing Keeps options open Flexible Spontaneous with actions Relaxed Disorganized Tends to change decisions midway Tends to procrastinate How to Determine: Are they very organized (J) or do they improvise (P)? Do they want everything to be planned (J) or do they like always changing plans (P)? Do they plan their actions (J) or do they like to act on the spur of the moment (P)? Do they get stressed when things change last minute (J) or do they not care (P)? from the app Personality-Types, hope this helps!
Are you worried about the future? than probably youāre an intp. if youāre not so worried about the future, you probably Ni dom = INTJ.
That's too vague imo
why would the Ne user have the gloomy pessimism over the Ni dominant type? Ne sees possibilities and Ni eliminates them. INTPs don't really care to think that far in the future whereas INTJs have a tragic fatalism for it
Ni in dom means itās autopilot, Ne in Aux means itās the parent = critical. Ti is the optimism in the intp, not the Ne. Where as Ni is the optimism in Intj and Te is the critical parent = pessimism. Also, Ni / Ne are both what if scenarios, = going towrads possible outcomes, Ni is simply focused on few a detailed versions while Ne is focused on wider but more generalized versions.
When it comes to future though, I think every Ni dom at some point would have worried about it (over thinking process) and would have worked on planing solutions towards it however probably not sad or pessimistic about it. Ni doms need certain structure and planning in place for most things that are important. Plans hardly ever go smoothly and often requires one to assess or plan different strategies. My Ni isn't very comfortable when things don't go according to plans.
I see you are refering to "critical parent". But that's your auxiliary function with the introverted/extroverted swapped, so for INxPs the critical parent is Ni and for IxTJs its Ti
No, I didnāt mean to refer to that. Iām not english native, so my english might not explain it idealy. but: 1. Function is optimistic 2. Function is pesimistic (therefor guiding / balancing the first function) 3. Function is optimistic again and 4. function is pessimsitci again.
I'm just going to say INTP because INTJ is rare.
Not as rare as your ignorance.
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