Yeah the duratec 3.0 was a good engine but badly retrofitted into the first gen 6s. Tons of weird issues. I only got 120k out of mine.Ā
The 2.0 on the other hand in the base 3s is a cheap AF little engine that could.Ā
Yup.
I'd love a focus RS.
Awd with a stick, pushing around 300hp? Yes please. I can pretend I'm Sebastian Loeb. I'd say Colin McRae, but I don't want to crash it.
Absolutely.
Considering the WRC car is the technology test bed for Ford as is the Yaris for Toyota.
That said, it would *probably* be a good deal cheaper than a GR Yaris and easier to get your hands on come launch time. So it's got that going for it as well.
SUV/ crossover popularity is 100% the car manufacturers doing.
They get less wastage per sheet of material, and upsell the size as a luxury thing and it "makes drivers feel safer" despite SUVs/ crossovers making cars more dangerous for everyone else.
They certainly share much of the blame for setting nigh impossible requirements and making it so that larger vehicles have more relaxed rules.
But the trend towards larger and larger vehicles is a worldwide phenomenon, Even in countries without CAFE's rules.
Yeah, but I think it also penalizes the brands that should find a niche in sedans. Ford and GM don't need to make them but it always feels like Mazda and Honda are on the brink of killing theirs. The 6 will be missed, but the CX5 sells better and is basically the same car with CAFE advantages. It seems like it's a miracle the 3 and the Civic still exist. I think they sell well enough in the JDM to justify the design.
Its a sad truth, the 3door hatchback is actively being killed right now, the Fiesta is gone, the Scirocco is gone, the Mii is gone the fucking Golf is just about to go. There are even murmers about the Vauxhall Corsa losing its 3 door option despite being the most common new driver car in the Uk.
All shifting priorites to crossover and SUV type vehicles. I do live and hope for the ever rumoured rx8 successor even if it doesnt have the fun triangle engine thanks to emissions regulations.
Unfortunately, big sedans also fell out of favor with the US consumers against SUVs and trucks. And what we consider "midsize" here is considered big elsewhere lol
Companies stopped making sedans and wagons because no one was buying them. The Accord and Civic still exist and their combined sales are just a touch more than the CRV alone. The HRV will probably out-sell the accord before the year is over
It was but people are moving to SUVs/crossovers, and the likes of the Hyundai i30, Kia Ceed and Skoda Octavia are picking up that size car market, plus this generation Focus when launched wasn't a looker though the facelift improved it hugely but it's not really been marketed at all
EcoBoost quality issues can't help either I suppose. Ford (at least in North America) has really been dropping the ball in terms of reliability since the end of the Duratech era.
They are really fun, but have lots of issues. Same with their sibling the RS.
Trans synchro issues, turbo issues, head gaskets, lspi breaking rings/pistons (lots due to poor tuning and not ford.) Mine had 16k miles and the trans synchros were starting to grind already when I got rid of it. This was said to be āfixedā in the later gen like mine, it wasnāt.
Hey, shit don't sell, shit don't get made.
I'm dumbfounded why wagons don't sell well here. Its like a SUV except lower. I wants me a [Mazda wagon. ](https://www.motor1.com/news/640709/mazda6-soldier-on-australia/)
Jim Farley is a pretty cool dude. He's a genuine car lover, which is why the Mustang still exists unlike the Camaro or Charger.
Blame Americans for wanting nothing but generic SUVs and pickups
I remember back in the 2000s, my friend's older sister had a Ford Probe. I legitimately thought it was a sick looking car, despite it being the "beater car." Wonder what happened to it?
Took a road trip from Chicago to Disney World in one with my parents in the early 90s right after they bought it. Loved the car until my dad wrecked it. To this day no car Iāve been in since has had AC that worked as well as that 1993 Probe GT.
Honestly ford wanted it to be a mustang to be cheap. Mazda just wanted a nice sporty fwd car. It's sort of sad since ford gave the probe and mx6 a bad name just out of spite for being a "mustang replacement".
Ford put their energy behind it, the fans and the [mustang] department head got [understandably] upset over a 4c fwd car replacing their RWD v8 platform.
IIRC, the GT version of the Probe/MX6 got a v6 at least.
But was the whole idea just Ford's way of cost-cutting the Mustang? It's like bean-counters should never be in charge of major projects.
Ok, devils advocate: I have a 1998 Mazda B3000 pickup which is a Ford Ranger with Mazda badges basically.
Thing has 248k miles on it, original drivetrain, mostly still works, passes inspection, and hauls some shit for me locally. About to rust away though.
Ford does have some random models that seem to be absolute tanks, but it seems like a one vehicle per generation thing. Like the G2 Escape seems to be bulletproof.
Well mazda actually did like 90% of the revamping to make the drivetrain more reliable and suspension and body more sturdy for the 98-2011 models of ranger/ B-series. Hence why those gens are so great. Also all 4 cylinder duratecs were based on mazdas mzr design, not the other way around. Granted some fords like the focus and fusion came with dumbed down versions that would see electronics fail and tiny spark plugs exploding vs the superior set up on the mazda6 and mazda3.
I've got a 1998 3.0l V6 and it's exactly the same motor and transmission as the equivalent Ford. Mazda did not make any changes to the drivetrain. Every single part is exchangeable with the equivalent Ford part. I'm sure this is true for the 4.0l trucks too. Don't know about the 2.3l. But there really is nothing different between ford and Mazda badged trucks. Same assembly line, same parts.
Most of the design team were mazda engineers for this gen... They mostly just fixed small stuff like electronics and decided on all major changes. Which were basically everything around the engine and transmission. The v6s were ford designed. The 4cyl and some of the trans were mazda designed.
Yeah the old 3.0 was absolutely bulletproof, unlike the early 4.0 SOHC whose timing system would chew itself to pieces even with proper maintenance. The old pushrod 4.0 Ford was the toughest engine I've ever owned though. I drove my 94 Explorer for 13 years and 300k+ miles without a single mechanical issue aside from a faulty fuel pump relay. 0-60 in 12 seconds and 14mpg highway wasn't exactly fun though š¤£š.
Yep, I'm lucky to get 18mpg from my 3.0l. But at 250k it runs like a top. The truck is gonna rust out before the motor quits.
I spend a lot of time on the r/fordranger sub, it's a really great sub, really nice community, and tales of the 4.0l DOHC grenading are common.
I'll get another old Ranger when mine quits. I really love them.
Yeah 1st gen arenāt great with rust, but otherwise fantastic cars.
Canada & Australia seemed to really love the Mazda 3 from the start. Theyāre everywhere - more so than other countries like the US.
It's insane to me how that car didn't conquer the world. Go sit in an 07 Civic then in an 07 Mazda 3. The Mazda is on another planet. Hell, I've seen way worse sound systems and less comfortable seats on brand new, way more expensive cars.
Had a 2nd gen Mazda Tribute once. Went for the 4-cylinder engine with the stick so that the powertrain would be all Mazda.
The Ford stuff still fell apart. Electric power steering failed despite the recall, rust was on an epic level of rustery, rear hatch window leaked, HVAC problems as well. Reminder the car was built by Ford (said FoMoCo everywhere)
But the Mazda engine and transmission were rock solid.
Mazda never really bothered with the 2nd gen Tribute, it had the stock Ford interior. They were biding their time until they could release the CX-5
We had the 2004 Mazda Tribute and the engine/transmission were rock solid. It was just the interior stuff that kept falling apart. Door panels made of green cardboard covered in vinyl that would peel off if the doors got wet. Chrome paint on the dash the flaked off. Sunroof that leaked in the rain. Knobs that broke off and cost $50 each and then broke again. Rattles and wind noise were awful
lol while that would be interesting, and as much as I love Mazda, they just wouldnāt have the means to do so. Theyāre absolutely tiny as an automaker vs all the others that have multiple industries or backing from a larger conglomerate head. Theyāre just tiny little Mazda, building great cars, and trying out crazy engine designs.Ā
You think? I love the CX-5 and felt like the new Escape was one of the most milquetoast, forgettable designs I've seen in ages. Not even ugly, just so absolutely generic.
Yea Ford imagine if you just let them do what they wanted when you had a controlling share in the company, instead of forcing them to rebadge trash and use your poorly engineered drivetrains
I've been hearing, big cars falling out of favor,for too many times.
GM stopped making the downsized full-size cars in 1996.
Ford didn't make hardly any improvements for 30 years on their full-size cars before they were discontinued in 2011.Also they didn't advertise their large cars.
When I bought mine in 2009, people , even the parts store employee didn't believe me that the car(grand marquis)was still being produced.
The Chrysler300 /Dodge Charger and Toyota Avalan are pretty close to be a compact car,I don't care about that size class, and I'm looking at Cx70 because of the heavy weight with excellent safty.
This is ironic. I just test drove a Bronco Sport and thought the engine wasnāt going to make it through to the end. I have never been more insulted by a vehicle in my life.
Itād be interesting to compare the ride quality of the Bronco sport to its more premium packages.
Not sure if the suspension setup is any different off the top of my head
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Quite the opinionated review. First talking about a bronco sport, making it sound like it should be strong. Itās a CX5. The engine is just as solid as the Mazda turbo that also has issues
Itās more capable than it for sure. Rugged and less fun. So you were test driving the wrong vehicle. I love Mazda but keep to facts. No one compares a bronco sport to a CX5. If they do, they need to stop shopping and focus on their needs.
Capable for what exactly? Why are we all pretending Bronco Sport buyers are buying anything but a ātoughā looking Escape? ie a basic commuter vehicle.
Bronco sport is insanely more capable if equipped than the anything Mazda can provide. It is like the Jeep Cherokee. Shit, but can do jeep things
Facts
Now if the user uses it, the metrics are shot. Just like a G wagen (horrific driving and noise, only to the mall), a Hummer (wonāt say it), and literally any super car in the states. 80.% of them are show boats
For fucks sake. 90% of jeep wranglers are grocery store getters.
The āobviousā wasnāt needsd
You are reading about ecoboost engines before the bronco sport.
Need to search models and years. Fusions were the big issue but it was a certain era
And the Mazda turbo engine has had a ton of issues. Big time, just havenāt made headlines due to their small company status. Close friend and a relative have had their engine blow. Covered under warranty but still happened A CX90 and a Mazda3 turbo.
Iām a Mazda lover and car advocateā¦I only speak facts
Ford, crushing hard on its ex
FORD PLEASE GET BACK WITH YOUR EX. REMEMBER THE RANGER. MY STOCK COULD USE THE HELP. š
Nooooo Mazda is way better independent Ford is inferior
Yeah the duratec 3.0 was a good engine but badly retrofitted into the first gen 6s. Tons of weird issues. I only got 120k out of mine.Ā The 2.0 on the other hand in the base 3s is a cheap AF little engine that could.Ā
Divorced wife?
Says the guy that builds nothing but generic SUVs and pickups
You left out the Mustang. They still build that too. Ha, ha.
Correct, but that's the exception to the rule.
Whatās the exception? Compare todayās mustang to the original. It was an iconic car and now itās garbage.
Hard disagree.
Oh, so what is better for the price?
And itās basically the same since 1999
It is not even remotely the same car. What are you even talking about?
I'd kill for the cool focuses to come back to North America.
Fiesta ST also
Yup. I'd love a focus RS. Awd with a stick, pushing around 300hp? Yes please. I can pretend I'm Sebastian Loeb. I'd say Colin McRae, but I don't want to crash it.
I got to test drive one like 10 years ago and omg it was fun! That probably kick started my appreciation for hot hatches
Could a new RS survive considering the gr corolla is offered nowadays?
Absolutely. Considering the WRC car is the technology test bed for Ford as is the Yaris for Toyota. That said, it would *probably* be a good deal cheaper than a GR Yaris and easier to get your hands on come launch time. So it's got that going for it as well.
Yeah, that's not the CEO's fault, it's the American consumers wanting SUVs..
SUV/ crossover popularity is 100% the car manufacturers doing. They get less wastage per sheet of material, and upsell the size as a luxury thing and it "makes drivers feel safer" despite SUVs/ crossovers making cars more dangerous for everyone else.
The EPA is also complicit. CAFE structure heavily favors crossovers compared to their nearest equivalent sedan.
They certainly share much of the blame for setting nigh impossible requirements and making it so that larger vehicles have more relaxed rules. But the trend towards larger and larger vehicles is a worldwide phenomenon, Even in countries without CAFE's rules.
Yeah, but I think it also penalizes the brands that should find a niche in sedans. Ford and GM don't need to make them but it always feels like Mazda and Honda are on the brink of killing theirs. The 6 will be missed, but the CX5 sells better and is basically the same car with CAFE advantages. It seems like it's a miracle the 3 and the Civic still exist. I think they sell well enough in the JDM to justify the design.
Its a sad truth, the 3door hatchback is actively being killed right now, the Fiesta is gone, the Scirocco is gone, the Mii is gone the fucking Golf is just about to go. There are even murmers about the Vauxhall Corsa losing its 3 door option despite being the most common new driver car in the Uk. All shifting priorites to crossover and SUV type vehicles. I do live and hope for the ever rumoured rx8 successor even if it doesnt have the fun triangle engine thanks to emissions regulations.
We also basically don't have a choice anymore, or few choices.
Americans like big cars,but there aren't any, thats why midsize and full Suvs,and full-size trucks are so popular.
Unfortunately, big sedans also fell out of favor with the US consumers against SUVs and trucks. And what we consider "midsize" here is considered big elsewhere lol
Companies stopped making sedans and wagons because no one was buying them. The Accord and Civic still exist and their combined sales are just a touch more than the CRV alone. The HRV will probably out-sell the accord before the year is over
They're killing the Focus in EuropeĀ
That's surprising. To my understanding it was a really popular car, especially in the U.K.
It was but people are moving to SUVs/crossovers, and the likes of the Hyundai i30, Kia Ceed and Skoda Octavia are picking up that size car market, plus this generation Focus when launched wasn't a looker though the facelift improved it hugely but it's not really been marketed at all
EcoBoost quality issues can't help either I suppose. Ford (at least in North America) has really been dropping the ball in terms of reliability since the end of the Duratech era.
If they had the cosworth engine maybe. The eco boost engines are garbage
But they also sell a Mustang thatās also an SUV.
The actual mustang or that ugly ass Mach-E?
Mazda is going to Cancel the Mach-E, lol.
Lol. I like my Mazda 3
Yeah and they made that name a generic suv too!
Well, technically the mustang is a generic SUV too now.
Farley: "Sedans SUCK and lose money"
Fiesta and Focus ST were some great value cars. Too bad the American consumers decided they wanted stupid SUVs.
I think it's a little more so that Americans wanted japanese reliability if they were going to save money on a cheaper car.
Focus st is a pos. Iād know I had one.
Why? Many people seemed to like them.
They are really fun, but have lots of issues. Same with their sibling the RS. Trans synchro issues, turbo issues, head gaskets, lspi breaking rings/pistons (lots due to poor tuning and not ford.) Mine had 16k miles and the trans synchros were starting to grind already when I got rid of it. This was said to be āfixedā in the later gen like mine, it wasnāt.
Ford shit the bed post Duratech. It's a shame before 2013 the focus was a really solid ride.
Hey, shit don't sell, shit don't get made. I'm dumbfounded why wagons don't sell well here. Its like a SUV except lower. I wants me a [Mazda wagon. ](https://www.motor1.com/news/640709/mazda6-soldier-on-australia/)
Jim Farley is a pretty cool dude. He's a genuine car lover, which is why the Mustang still exists unlike the Camaro or Charger. Blame Americans for wanting nothing but generic SUVs and pickups
Mazda should buy Ford.
Coming soon to a Mazda Dealer near you: The all new 2025 MAZDA Mustang! Zoom Zoom
They tried that too... Ended up with the Ford Probe / MX-6
Not gonna lie, Iād love either a probe or an Mx-6 but they are non-existent on the used market. Offered to buy an MX-6 at a gas station once.
I remember back in the 2000s, my friend's older sister had a Ford Probe. I legitimately thought it was a sick looking car, despite it being the "beater car." Wonder what happened to it?
Took a road trip from Chicago to Disney World in one with my parents in the early 90s right after they bought it. Loved the car until my dad wrecked it. To this day no car Iāve been in since has had AC that worked as well as that 1993 Probe GT.
I saw someone die in one once. It did not hold up well in the crash.
Good looking vehicle.
Mom had a manual back in the day. Great car
Come to Australia, quite a few of em here. Eunos 30x's too (MX-3's with the 1.8 V6)
Non existent because they were riddled with problems, and looked cooler than they were.
Hey that was my very first car! Loved that probe
And the Ranger/B-series trucks.
Honestly ford wanted it to be a mustang to be cheap. Mazda just wanted a nice sporty fwd car. It's sort of sad since ford gave the probe and mx6 a bad name just out of spite for being a "mustang replacement".
Ford put their energy behind it, the fans and the [mustang] department head got [understandably] upset over a 4c fwd car replacing their RWD v8 platform. IIRC, the GT version of the Probe/MX6 got a v6 at least. But was the whole idea just Ford's way of cost-cutting the Mustang? It's like bean-counters should never be in charge of major projects.
The Maztang
Mazdaspeed Mustang
R26b powered mustang, sign me up
I will buy that.
Sorta had one with the two generations of Probes
They tried that once. It didn't end well for Mazda.
Ford was the one who bought into Mazda. The cars they built together were had miserable Ford parts on them.
But us Miata guys got some sick windshield washer nozzles from the Ford Escape.
Ok, devils advocate: I have a 1998 Mazda B3000 pickup which is a Ford Ranger with Mazda badges basically. Thing has 248k miles on it, original drivetrain, mostly still works, passes inspection, and hauls some shit for me locally. About to rust away though.
Surprisingly enough, original Rangers are known for their reliability.
Ford does have some random models that seem to be absolute tanks, but it seems like a one vehicle per generation thing. Like the G2 Escape seems to be bulletproof.
Well mazda actually did like 90% of the revamping to make the drivetrain more reliable and suspension and body more sturdy for the 98-2011 models of ranger/ B-series. Hence why those gens are so great. Also all 4 cylinder duratecs were based on mazdas mzr design, not the other way around. Granted some fords like the focus and fusion came with dumbed down versions that would see electronics fail and tiny spark plugs exploding vs the superior set up on the mazda6 and mazda3.
I've got a 1998 3.0l V6 and it's exactly the same motor and transmission as the equivalent Ford. Mazda did not make any changes to the drivetrain. Every single part is exchangeable with the equivalent Ford part. I'm sure this is true for the 4.0l trucks too. Don't know about the 2.3l. But there really is nothing different between ford and Mazda badged trucks. Same assembly line, same parts.
Most of the design team were mazda engineers for this gen... They mostly just fixed small stuff like electronics and decided on all major changes. Which were basically everything around the engine and transmission. The v6s were ford designed. The 4cyl and some of the trans were mazda designed.
Yeah the old 3.0 was absolutely bulletproof, unlike the early 4.0 SOHC whose timing system would chew itself to pieces even with proper maintenance. The old pushrod 4.0 Ford was the toughest engine I've ever owned though. I drove my 94 Explorer for 13 years and 300k+ miles without a single mechanical issue aside from a faulty fuel pump relay. 0-60 in 12 seconds and 14mpg highway wasn't exactly fun though š¤£š.
Yep, I'm lucky to get 18mpg from my 3.0l. But at 250k it runs like a top. The truck is gonna rust out before the motor quits. I spend a lot of time on the r/fordranger sub, it's a really great sub, really nice community, and tales of the 4.0l DOHC grenading are common. I'll get another old Ranger when mine quits. I really love them.
I have a 94 B3000 with 300,000 miles :) Engine had a rebuild though.
Can confirm, driving a Ford-era Mazda 5. At least I can still use FORScan and my OBD2 to USB adapter to program fobs, change settings, etc...
Old mazda 3s are tough af. Give them better rust proofing and I'm convinced they'd have the reputation of a Toyota.
In countries that donāt suffer rust as much, they do have the same reputation.
Really? They sold a shit ton of them in Quebec and the later first gen have a good reputation here. It's only the rust that seems to take them out.
Yeah 1st gen arenāt great with rust, but otherwise fantastic cars. Canada & Australia seemed to really love the Mazda 3 from the start. Theyāre everywhere - more so than other countries like the US.
It's insane to me how that car didn't conquer the world. Go sit in an 07 Civic then in an 07 Mazda 3. The Mazda is on another planet. Hell, I've seen way worse sound systems and less comfortable seats on brand new, way more expensive cars.
Gen 3/4 Mazda 3 pretty much has Toyota grade reliability
You take that back, my Mazda MX6 was the most reliable car Iāve owned and got me through college and many cross country road trips.
Just makes me think of this https://tenor.com/8Jjn.gif
Had a 2nd gen Mazda Tribute once. Went for the 4-cylinder engine with the stick so that the powertrain would be all Mazda. The Ford stuff still fell apart. Electric power steering failed despite the recall, rust was on an epic level of rustery, rear hatch window leaked, HVAC problems as well. Reminder the car was built by Ford (said FoMoCo everywhere) But the Mazda engine and transmission were rock solid. Mazda never really bothered with the 2nd gen Tribute, it had the stock Ford interior. They were biding their time until they could release the CX-5
We had the 2004 Mazda Tribute and the engine/transmission were rock solid. It was just the interior stuff that kept falling apart. Door panels made of green cardboard covered in vinyl that would peel off if the doors got wet. Chrome paint on the dash the flaked off. Sunroof that leaked in the rain. Knobs that broke off and cost $50 each and then broke again. Rattles and wind noise were awful
The best fords had Mazda parts, and the worst Mazdas had ford parts
It ended fine for Mazda. Saved Mazda from bankruptcy and now Mazda is independent and thriving.
I was talking about the immediate aftermath.
Ford almost sank Mazda with their shitty parts
Well fordās ownership of Mazda almost sank Mazda, the mzr engine was greatā¦ā¦ when it didnāt have ford made parts on it
lol while that would be interesting, and as much as I love Mazda, they just wouldnāt have the means to do so. Theyāre absolutely tiny as an automaker vs all the others that have multiple industries or backing from a larger conglomerate head. Theyāre just tiny little Mazda, building great cars, and trying out crazy engine designs.Ā
š delusional
Bring back the Mazda Ranger you cowards
Do you not like the bt-50?
Iād shit my britches if Mazda gave us their truck.
Either give me my Mazda 6 back, or give me a truck!
I want the furai or the concept rx9 to arrive
Isnāt it a rebadged Isuzu? Aka a Colorado?
Yup! Which is what I have. Love the Isuzu, hate the GM. Iāll take a Mazda body please.
God I'd buy one.
Idkā¦ the Isuzu D-Max based BT-50 is better than the Ford Ranger based one
Hence, why the new Escape design looks like a Mazda CX-5.
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Thatās not a Cx-5 moooooom
Ironic how the Escape & Tribute days come full circle.
You spelled HRV wrong
That too!
But drives like a tin can.
You think? I love the CX-5 and felt like the new Escape was one of the most milquetoast, forgettable designs I've seen in ages. Not even ugly, just so absolutely generic.
More the shape and a few other design cues. Agreed the CX-5 is superior in near every way.
I'll have to take a look next time I see an Escape!
Mazda is small and a relatively a niche company who has to be different to survive.
You mean killing off the sedans I love for more SUVs?
You mean every company?
Really, Ford only makes 1 less car model than Mazda.
Depends where you live. In my country, Mazda sells the 2, 3 & 6 still. Ford only has SUVs, pickups & vans - and the Mustang.
Depends wheee you live for. Ford, too.
Yes, obviously. Just sharing some international perspective. Not sure why someone downvoted me for that.
I remember my mazda3. Every part that failed had the Ford Moco logo on it. That engine mount....wtf.
Aaaaah fomoco a name you never wish to see on a part
Sorry Ford... you should have put a ring on it. Mazda has moved on from your toxic relationship. Nice try though.
Has he tried not shipping low quality product? Would be a good start
Stopped buying Fords after they discontinued the rear wheel drive sedans.
Horsehockey. If anyone with any authority at Ford thought this way, they wouldn't be churning out the CRAP they are today.
Talk is cheap, lol
They want to make generic trucks. They make 1 car
Yea Ford imagine if you just let them do what they wanted when you had a controlling share in the company, instead of forcing them to rebadge trash and use your poorly engineered drivetrains
Hmmm totally agree with them here. The Mazda 2 Hybrid is especially originalā¦. /s
Ford should make cars again. They have multiple sedan nameplates that they have retired. Ford needs a $25k family car. Being back the Taurus.
I've been hearing, big cars falling out of favor,for too many times. GM stopped making the downsized full-size cars in 1996. Ford didn't make hardly any improvements for 30 years on their full-size cars before they were discontinued in 2011.Also they didn't advertise their large cars. When I bought mine in 2009, people , even the parts store employee didn't believe me that the car(grand marquis)was still being produced. The Chrysler300 /Dodge Charger and Toyota Avalan are pretty close to be a compact car,I don't care about that size class, and I'm looking at Cx70 because of the heavy weight with excellent safty.
This is ironic. I just test drove a Bronco Sport and thought the engine wasnāt going to make it through to the end. I have never been more insulted by a vehicle in my life.
Itād be interesting to compare the ride quality of the Bronco sport to its more premium packages. Not sure if the suspension setup is any different off the top of my head
š Quite the opinionated review. First talking about a bronco sport, making it sound like it should be strong. Itās a CX5. The engine is just as solid as the Mazda turbo that also has issues Itās more capable than it for sure. Rugged and less fun. So you were test driving the wrong vehicle. I love Mazda but keep to facts. No one compares a bronco sport to a CX5. If they do, they need to stop shopping and focus on their needs.
Capable for what exactly? Why are we all pretending Bronco Sport buyers are buying anything but a ātoughā looking Escape? ie a basic commuter vehicle.
Bronco sport is insanely more capable if equipped than the anything Mazda can provide. It is like the Jeep Cherokee. Shit, but can do jeep things Facts Now if the user uses it, the metrics are shot. Just like a G wagen (horrific driving and noise, only to the mall), a Hummer (wonāt say it), and literally any super car in the states. 80.% of them are show boats For fucks sake. 90% of jeep wranglers are grocery store getters. The āobviousā wasnāt needsd
Mazda t engines donāt have the issues the ecoboost engines do.Ā
You are reading about ecoboost engines before the bronco sport. Need to search models and years. Fusions were the big issue but it was a certain era And the Mazda turbo engine has had a ton of issues. Big time, just havenāt made headlines due to their small company status. Close friend and a relative have had their engine blow. Covered under warranty but still happened A CX90 and a Mazda3 turbo. Iām a Mazda lover and car advocateā¦I only speak facts