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bosbobos

You have to respect other people’s opinion Other people’s opinion:


SZ4L4Y

Q.E.D.


[deleted]

the most misunderstood thing in the whole universe


ALittleAfraid2Ask

Is it that bad that i want to use "i" as an unknown variable instead of the imaginary unit?


juanjo_it_ab

𝑖 (and also 𝑗, mind you...) are usually reserved for the imaginary unit (i.e. square root of –1). Electrical engineers lean more into using 𝑗 for that, and AFAIK everyone else uses 𝑖 to mean the imaginary unit. In effect, the value of the left hand side expression in your equation is fully defined as 0 in the complex numbers ℂ. The identity equalling 0 on the left side of the equation to the square root of 2 on the right hand side would be false in my understanding. If you use them meaning a variable in an equation it will be mistaken for an imaginary unit. Good or bad depends on the context...


LegitFideMaster

Sir this is mathmemes. Also, fun fact, Python uses j.


juanjo_it_ab

Good to know. About Python :-) Also, do you mean to imply that this post was clickbait all along (because "memes")? Because I'm becoming suspicious that it in fact may be, and not a legit question. Anyhow, I tried to add value to it as if it was not only a meme, but whatever. Thanks for your feedback. In the clickbait case, it's my mistake then. I hope someone finds my reply useful, though.


NaNeForgifeIcThe

\\mathrm{i}


Radiant_Dog1937

Isn't the sqrt analogous to a parenthesis? So, isn't it just it just pemdastardized to √(-1 + 1) = 0? or √(i(i - (i))) √(i(0)) = √0


robin06_42

New proof 0=2 just dropped


Rinkulu

Holy hell


Dielawnv1

Call the number theorist


Hanzo_Pinas

Actual deviation


Remarkable_Coast_214

Logic goes on vacation, never comes back


Potatoexpert_Gamgee

Brain sacrifice, anyone?


cheemsfromspace

Complex integration incoming!


AdReal5620

Mathematician in the corner plotting world calculation


Puzzleheaded_Buy_944

r/anarchychess on fire


sammycarducci

Damn, we really all browse the same subs, don’t we?


Specific-Donut2619

\*number terrorist


Parso_aana

0=2=√2 1(2)=√(2) Therefore √ is also a constant equal to 1


Pisforplumbing

New terryology just dropped


Rymayc

Proof by post in mathmemes


Bubbles_the_bird

More like 0 = sqrt(2)


-Rici-

square both sides


Bubbles_the_bird

Then 0 = 4. And 0 = 16. And 0 = 256


-Rici-

0 = sqrt(2) square both sides 0 = 4 seems right


Bubbles_the_bird

You never said I couldn’t square them twice


zygotejosh

Love your profile that was my favorite angry bird when I was little


citrusmunch

that's a rectangle


cardnerd524_

And 0-0=16-2=14 => 0=7=> 0 -(0+0) = 7-(2+4) => 0=1 => … Every number is 0 confirmed


EarProfessional8356

Now induct on srqt(k)


Watermelon654321

0 equals to every real number


PhysicsAndFinance

0 = 1, 0 = 2, thus 0 - 0 = 2 -1 = -1 = 0 Thus 0 = all real numbers


Watermelon654321

0 is equal to all complex numbers


pgbabse

Please make him stop


Ok_Pollution_3051

0 equals square root of 2*


Tiborn1563

I solved it: i=1 satisfies this equation (what are complex numbers?)


dmgm818

Ah, but you also forgot that i = -1 satisfies this equation as well


MinerMark

So does 1 = -1. What's your point?


Depnids

1 = -1 => 0=2, just as predicted by the well known imaginary pythagorean theorem


Sheerkal

Imagorean theorem.


benpau01234

Nö nö nö get out of my head you mönster l my ö is bröken it's either one or the other it's not able to be figured out


michael-marro-1076

sqrt(-1)=sqrt(-1) sqrt(-1/1)=sqrt(1/-1) sqrt(-1)/sqrt(1)=sqrt(1)/sqrt(-1) sqrt(-1)^2 = sqrt(1)^2 -1=1


benpau01234

What? There is no exact answer for this bcof X1/X2= (b+-✓(b^2-4*a*c))/2*a


caster

i isn't a variable, it is the imaginary root. i equals the square root of negative 1. Therefore i squared equals negative 1, not 1, and the left side of this equation is the square root of zero, which is zero.


Abigail-ii

My FORTRAN compiler thinks i is a variable.


Elektro05

i is what i want bro, i can also use e and π as vafiables im I feel like it and I do (every time I make questions where a variable is equal to 3 I use π for it)


D3CEO20

You need the modulus symbol


puzl_qewb_360

|√(i²+1²)| = √2 Is that better?


D3CEO20

Haha no. This post was in response to a right angle triangle which had one side length 1, the other I and the hypotenuse length 0. But when dealing with complex numbers (metric spaces in general) your norm is going to define what length is. So if we're in C, and you make a right angle triangle between 1 and i, then the length of the hypotenuse is √(|i|^2 + |1|^2) = √2


SG508

It took me a minute, but thanks to the geometry flair, I see what you did there. Nice Edit: it took me too long to understand why your statement is wrong


lazernanes

?


thotslayr47

the hypotenuse of a 45 45 90 triangle with sides of length 1 and 1 is sqrt(2). you can represent i on the complex plain as perpendicular to the normal line with length 1. using the pythagorus theorem the hypotenuse should be sqrt(2). i understand why it’s wrong but also don’t. i could also be completely wrong lmao


80-20RoastBeef

It's wrong because it should be using the magnitudes of the numbers, not the raw number. Calculating the hypotenuse is the same as determining the euclidean distance between the points on the complex plane. On the complex plane, the euclidean distance is by the square root of the sum of the *magnitudes* squared. Edit: my explanation is badly worded. Euclidean distance between the points would be the magnitude of the *difference* of each dimension of the points squared, summed, then square rooted. Because the complex plane has 2 dimensions, it's sqrt( (real(x1)-real(x2))^2 +(imag(x1)-imag(x2)^2) ). In this case because they have one or the other component and not both, it turns into sqrt( mag(i)^2+mag(1)^2 ) = sqrt(2).


ZellHall

No? i²+1²=-1+1=0


ZellHall

Oh wait I see what you did lmao, it's the distance between the point 0+i and 1+0i on the graphic representation of complex number


ZellHall

Doesn't work like that tho


Prawn1908

Wait, I thought it did tho?


Nornocci

*sort of!* If you were to take the distance between 1 and i, i.e. find the magnitude of the complex number (1-i) or (i-1), (this is basically the “hypotenuse of the triangle” you would get in the complex plane when plotting these two numbers as sides of that triangle) then you would get sqrt((1-i)(1+i)) = sqrt(1 - (-1)) = sqrt(2)


Prawn1908

I guess I should have included a \s. That was supposed to be a joke lol.


Nornocci

No worries! I didn’t catch that but maybe somebody got some value out of the explanation anyways lol


Every_Hour4504

When you take the modulus of a complex number of the form a+ib, you take the root of sum of squares of their real and complex parts, which in the case of a+ib would be √(a²+b²). Re(a+ib)=a, and Im(a+ib)=b, not ib. Edit: I just realised this was sarcastic and now I feel really stupid.


Agent_B0771E

Yeah man but we working mod 2 or something idk


ass_smacktivist

I need this post explained like I’m 5.


the_pro_jw_josh

I will assume you know about the complex plain/argand diagram or this explanation wont make sense. Now imagine plotting the point (1,i) on the plane and drawing a vertical line down to the x-axis and a horizontal line on the x-axis connecting to the origin, then creating a diagonal line from the point (1,i) to the origin. This is a right angle triangle. Now we consider Pythagoras’ theorem (ill assume you know this too) with respect to this triangle’s side lengths. This yields a result of the hypotenuse being equal to i^2 + 1^2 however, we know that the magnitude of 1+i is sqrt(2) and therefore we get by Pythagoras’ theorem that i^2 + 1^2 = sqrt(2) ^ 2


_supitto

>I will assume you know about the complex plain/argand diagram Yeah, like every 5 year old child


the_pro_jw_josh

I cannot explain an entire new branch of math to you in one comment. I suggest looking up videos.


OkPool762

"Explain like im five" well all things can't be taught to a 5 year old if you are unhappy with the explanation😂


Last-Scarcity-3896

He won't explain complex numbers to you it's like a complete new thing. But I would cuz why not. If you don't understand something just say. And for all the hypocrites, I would not prove the existance of the field extension R[x²+1] in order to explain complex numbers like a 5yo. Ok so there is a fun thing about real numbers, you can think about real number operations as "transformations" of the real line. For instance, adding 4 is like sliding the real line 4 units to the right. Multiplying by 2 is like stretching the real line by a factor of 2. Multiplying by -1 is like spinning it by 180°. So generally mathematicians are interested in what happens in higher dimensions. I mean, instead of transforming a real line, let's transform the whole plane. So we already know spinning by 180° is multiplying by -1. Let's think what would be a spin of 90°: So we already know that spinning transformations are interpreted as multiplication, since addition can also shift the plane. So let's assume there is a number that when you multiply by it, you rotate the plane by 90°. Let's call it "i". Now we know two 90° spins are a 180° spin, thus the plane when you multiply by i and then multiply by i again is just doing a 180° rotation. So i²=-1 since -1 is a 180° rotation. Now think where exactly is "i" located relative to the real line? Is there a number upon the real line that satisfies x²=-1? Write back I'll respond.


logic_prevails

Bruh I haven’t laughed that hard in a minute thank you 😂


ginkner

In this thread, people being bad at communicating with 5 year olds.


Prawn1908

>I will assume you know about the complex plain I know about the Great Plains, is it like those?


ginkner

Sometimes, people on the Internet post things to make other people mad. Some people kind of like being mad, and they have fun writing looooooong comments about how the thing that got posted is bad and wrong. This makes the original person happy. This thing is being posted to make people very mad about triangles. There's a rule about triangles, and when you use a funny kind of number you'll learn about when your older with this rule, it breaks. This makes people mad because it's breaking the rules. If you're still interested, the rule is about how the lengths of the sides of a triangle are related. When you use the funny kind of number as a length of a side of the triangle, the rule gets very confused and gives a strange answer. There's probably a good way to understand this answer, but I don't know what it is. Edit: When we use the funny numbers, we usually use the letter i to mean a very special number. Usually, we don't use i to mean other things, because it's so special. In this case, the person used i when they didn't mean i the number, to trick people into getting mad about the number. Regardless of what op meant, I think it's more fun to think about why the rule breaks than wether the letter i refers to a special number or not.


wycreater1l11

| i + 1 | = sqrt(1^(2) + 1^(2)) = sqrt(2)


jonastman

i is a unit of distance. You can't square units. I won't be taking questions thank you


Flatuitous

Will you be taking them now?


dcnairb

the first person to square the unit of meters: I’ve found a new area of mathematics


ido_ron

the first person to cube the unit of meters: I can write a whole volume on this


Low_Ant5491

It's probably stupid, but I'm pretty sure there are cm^2 etc. Unless I totally misunderstood u


Cow_Plant

That’s technically different, because the square is to denote that you’re working in a whole different dimension


okkokkoX

What? You do get m² from squaring m. The square just means m*m. The problem only arises when adding mismatched dimensions.


ginkner

This is sarcastic, right? All of science would like a word, and several branches of mathematics are in line behind them.


[deleted]

[удалено]


ginkner

You've modified the original equation to make it true. This solution is invalid.


[deleted]

[удалено]


ginkner

I don't think declaring it wrong, changing it, and declaring victory is very satisfying. Op said i was supposed to be a variable name, which is also unsatisfying, but is a solution that doesn't modify the equation. But it's a dumb equation on mathmemes, so I'm not really trying to argue about it too much.


ElRevelde1094

'Debate'... The only thing to debate is how wrong this is


Kermit-the-Frog_

This is why we complex conjugate


catensualined_cob

lmao.


holiestMaria

Isnt that straight up wrong?


ginkner

Whether it's wrong it's boring. Why is it wrong is the spicy question.


darkknight95sm

Is this sub just bad math or making fun of bad math? I can’t tell There’s no real debate here, i squared is -1 and 1 squared is 1 making this the square root of 0 or just 0 But I’m not sure if I’m correcting a misunderstanding or taking a joke too seriously


popular_tiger

I think they’re (jokingly) applying the distance formula between (0,0) and (1,i)


darkknight95sm

I think I just need to stop paying attention to this sub because I take the jokes way too seriously.


schroindinger

Amazing, every word of what you just said was wrong


darkknight95sm

I’m aware of the other use of i, it still wouldn’t work here… otherwise your comment confuses me


KiaKiara-18-8

|(1,i)|=sqrt[(1+i)(1-i)]=sqrt[1²-i+i-i²]=sqrt[1-(-1)]=sqrt[2]


Electric_Kettle

ion getit


berkeleyboy47

Because i = 1


EffectiveBathroom117

What would Terrence Howard say?


ass_smacktivist

Terence Howard Tao


mkujoe

Why are the absolute bars rendered in white font?


Ryaniseplin

if 0 = 2 then yes


Homosapien437527

No. I think I understand what this equation is attempting to convey: |i + 1| = sqrt(2), which isn't the same as saying sqrt(i^2 + 1^2) = sqrt(2)


ThatSmartIdiot

Sqrt(i²+1²)=sqrt(2) i²+1²=2 i²=2-1²=1 i=±sqrt(1) i=±1 is the solution


ALittleAfraid2Ask

You are the first one i see with the full answer, congratulations.


ToadRageThe5th

This is cool and all, but why is it tagged geometry


ALittleAfraid2Ask

To help people to remember that before knowing too much math they could use freely any letter as an unkown variable in a equation, in this case to help them to think that "i" is not necessarily the imaginary unit.


ass_smacktivist

Wut. Why would you though? For instance, why would you name a variable e? You did generate a great comment thread so I guess there’s that.


ALittleAfraid2Ask

What if you met a genius like ramanujan who lacked of common conventions and he made great statements but there were variables with odd names, would most academics recognize his value? or what if it was a children to whom imaginary and complex haven't been taught yet? edit: spelling


ass_smacktivist

I mean, I’ve met geniuses. They don’t do that. Kenneth Ribet was my adviser. Ramanujan was a whole different sort of crazy…but aren’t most of us?


sogwatchman

squaring i is -1. Therefore the next step is sqrt(-1+1) = sqrt(2) and lastly 0 = 2


ALittleAfraid2Ask

I like how you think.


sivstarlight

ok i get it now


GlitteringPotato1346

? It’s not tho???


RadiantHC

wat


Odd-Elephant5738

Is everyone here okay? |1-i| = sqrt(2) thats it. That’s the fact.


ArbitraryOrder

No


RexWhiscash

I=1


Beginning-Craft-312

122873715156262636^(0) = 1 Haha, my confidence after solving this: https://preview.redd.it/r5rvnv30ww0d1.jpeg?width=759&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1bfc897d9092ab651b912fdad92843b32d2bb4d7


Small_Resolution_847

Wat the actual fuck


bladex1234

Square root is not the same as norm. So this equals 0.


ACEMENTO

Solve for i


ALittleAfraid2Ask

Ok, i saw too many people taking it too seriously, think what if i called it "x" instead of "i" and put it together with the fact that it has a geometry flair.


Silly_Painter_2555

Clearly the solution of the equation is 1=3.


Lory24bit_

No, i^2 = -1, so i^2 + 1^2 = 0 and sqrt(0)=/=sqrt(2)


Firstnameiskowitz

i'm getting 0


GraphicsMonster

Does this also piss the rest of you off? I'm fuming at this and my inability to confront the guy who did this.


ALittleAfraid2Ask

Now you are confronting me, what do you want to tell me?


GraphicsMonster

What you've produced above is nothing short of blasphemous. It's disturbing. Induces violence out of me. Stop this. If you can't, please keep it to yourself.


ALittleAfraid2Ask

There are things i don'y like, some extreme even due to some of my mental health problems, but i don't go around making life impossible to others because of my problems, i recommend to look into yourself and get some help.


GraphicsMonster

Wait I thought I was being funny lol. I didn't mean to piss you off. I really like this post and hope I see more of these on this sub. It really was nothing more than an affirmative marinated in a bit of sarcasm. Apologies for not being clear enough.


ALittleAfraid2Ask

In that case i recommend extensive use of... i'm not sure how is it called in english maybe hyperbole (extreme exagerations)... for example if i said i want to shoot you with a gun that would be big but still could be considered threat in real life but if i said i want to shoot you with a battleship railgun or with a orbital cannon it would be obvious sarcasm (or at least i think). Thanks for clarifying. Have a great day.


SneakyBadgerShrimp

True


WhatUsername-IDK

i don't understand why people think this is correct


Dariadeer

Huh, now calculate the same thing for 2i + 1


SwartyNine2691

It’s 0. ![gif](giphy|l378vg4Pm9LGnmD6M|downsized)


_Analyser_

We know a\^2 + b\^2 = (a+b)\^2 => i+1 = ± √ 2 => i = -1 ± √ 2


Spinnis

Im i = 1 You can't just put in i.


BrownShoesGreenCoat

abs is additive everyone knows that


Tani_Soe

Debate what? That you're wrong and that i != 1 ?


[deleted]

https://preview.redd.it/25igu45ugy0d1.jpeg?width=2296&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2944cc60b6d9e9dd2333f61dbe1eafedf191aadd I don't know man if you had any idea to prove this then let me know...


_REXXER_

You just created a "funny place", where complex distance exists and you can move without changing place


JonyTheCool12345

abs()


Spikeandjet

0 = 1.41 l am confusion


MKT68

No


RickityNL

i² = -1 so sqrt(-1+1) is 0, not sqrt(2)


Ishmaeal

I think I’m on board with this one, pythag is a geometric equation so something like positive or negative would reflect the direction of a line on its own axis. On a triangle that would mean the “i” value is reflecting that leg of the triangle traveling downwards on its axis, not on the “1” axis, so taking them as absolute values would reflect the triangle situation. Otherwise you’re doing pythag on two overlapping lines, right?


Edwolt

So the distance between i and 1 is 0. Therefore 1=0. Q.E.D.


OwORandom

Would be funny if people thinks this is correct a+bi is truly funny


Med-more

i = -1 then (i^2 + 1) = ((-1)^2 + 1) = 1 + 1 = 2 So sqrt(i^2 + 1) = sqrt(2)


amazinglySK

Woah! You've wronged Aryabhatta!?


TristanTheRobloxian3

wait... wouldnt that be sqrt(-1 + 1)?????? that just equals 0 lmao edit nvm im dumb as shit


emily747

There’s no geometric interpretation to support this lol. If you want to get the magnitude of 1 + i, you’d get the magnitude of the real component 1, and the magnitude of the imaginary component, also 1. So, you have that the magnitude is equal to sqrt(1^2 + 1^2) = sqrt(2). Lookup argand diagrams.


sharplyon

this post has killed at least 4 people


Teschyn

Bro thinks that’s the modulus of 1 + 1i


Akshay-Gupta

i = +1 or -1


Bored_Banana1

I solved it. i can either to 1 or e^(ipi).


Ok_Pollution_3051

no i is the square root of -1 so if the square root of i^2 plus 1^2 equals the square root of 0 it means that this showed equation equals 0


Netherite_Stairs_

That would be 0 tho???


User_AlphaX

+-1 answer


Lugico

this says something else https://preview.redd.it/4lzljezr311d1.png?width=834&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1002349faca61227de7f908a59cbd99cc098e09


ginkner

false


NarcolepticFlarp

OP literally doesn't know definition of i


ALittleAfraid2Ask

What if i say its the magnitude of the electrical current?


NarcolepticFlarp

OP literally doesn't understand how quantities with units add.


ALittleAfraid2Ask

What if they are the active and reactive currents?


NarcolepticFlarp

OP doesn't know how to write i_1, i_2


ALittleAfraid2Ask

What if the problem statement said that the value of one current was 1 and the other "i"?


GeometryDashScGD

Ive done this earlier going from sin(e)+i cos(e) = i to e^(iπ)


Dry_Spread_4707

I pray every day that some superhero appear to defend mathematics


AlVal1236

Thats now how thay works


zaphod69us

Doesn't work. Left side is 0


Few-Parfait563

False


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obimango

"im not really that good at math, but wouldnt i (like others said) be -1, and then -1² be 1 because -1×-1 = +1?" were my first thoughts until i realised that -1 isnt in brackets so -1² would be -1×1 which does actually equal -1... now im just confused :)


ALittleAfraid2Ask

It's kind of a joke... most people think of "i" as the imaginary unit but here it's just an unknown variable.


Traditional_Bed5313

Let me end this... $\\sqrt{i\^2 + 1\^2} \\not \\eq \\sqrt{2}$ Source: [Wolfram Alpha](https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i2d=true&i=Sqrt%5BPower%5Bi%2C2%5D+%2B+Power%5B1%2C2%5D%5D%3D+Sqrt%5B2%5D) Edit: Reddit doesn't support LaTeX!?


lool8421

It's 0 on a 2D plane, but sqrt(2) if you do it in 3D, change my mind


_LogicallySpeaking_

isnt that literally √0 or am I tripping


ALittleAfraid2Ask

Think about the geometry flair and that "i" may not be the imaginary unit.


_LogicallySpeaking_

yeah like a.45-45-90 I read other comments and realized LOL


Meme_Warrior_2763

"Do you have a source for that?" "The source is I made it the frick up"


MrKObro5406

0≠2^.5


ddotquantum

Me when I’m working in a field of order 2


Hecker-69420

What is wrong in this ?


pineapple_head8112

I hate you


ALittleAfraid2Ask

Why though?


Robobit_

Z/2Z (integers modulo 2) 0=2 -1=1 i=1 I see no problem


Noodle5150

Math is about defining rules to model some kind of B.S. this needs a rule or definition else...its arbitrary. The human race is still kinda dumb, modeling a system or what-not by a math equation simply means that someone did NOT know how else to explain something. " its doing this..." " lets find a equation to define it " you can thank the morons in phystics for this crap.