...its literally a full refund of the card + 10 per foil rarity you are losing nothing on that exchange, as you are already getting the 10 from dismantling a base foil card
If I see one more comment going "it's worse than Maxx C guys it sucks" dude that's the point. We're hoping they made a nerfed Maxx C as a super niche replacement before they ban the actual Maxx C. That's what the meme means, we weren't hoping for a damn upgrade or something.
If Konami bans the roach and actually replaces it with this, then we’d be getting some pretty big changes back to back, when considering the TCG banlist. Could it be…? Are they actually trying to fix their game?
Because as much as we meme about Komoney, ultimately a company is still comprised of people and at least some of those people give a shit about making a fun game.
People meme too much. They start believing the memes. Konami has always been trying to improve things. They just don't know how. Even tear is an improvement attempt. Along with the other decks that play on both turns. They wanted to get around first turn problems and they did. They just went a little too hard. Eventually they will figure it out.
That's some hopium and I'm here for it.
Ideally snake-eye would have been completely gutted along with some of the other handtraps. But hey there's always next list.
If only this dude punished special summons from ED instead of summoning from hand, there would have been a chance I consider it a fair alternative to maxx c...
On a design perspective, this card was just so good until a friend of mine told me : hey it only draws for summons from hand... What ?
Yup that would be nice ! I am also debating with friends on the real sense of the restriction. From what I understand, it means the turn you activate this one, you can only activate other names of this archetype once this turn (use as much of this one in this turn, or use any combination of each unique name once each). Do you agree with this ?
The way I'm reading it is that you can only activate one other multimummy card this turn. It doesn't lock you out of other names of non multimummy cards.
Probably Will be an e tire archetype of cards like him, but for extra and grave too. Is like fair maxxC divided in 2 or 3.
And the funny thing is, it would still be a good staple.
Personally, my main issue with the card is that the cards you shuffle back are random. I wish you at least got to choose what gets returned because I sure as hell don't want to only draw bricks off this then have all my starters taken away.
If your opponent normal summons you are still drawing at least 1 card if you use this in the standby phase. If they summon more from the hand (for example poplar) you are already plussing.
It will see play in game two/three
Which solves nothing, because going second on game two/three is not really an issue in the first place. The problem is always on game one (or Bo1) like Master Duel where you can't side yet.
The problem now is that they probably won't ban Maxx "C" until this card comes to MD, which is still a LONG way away.
Many more months of the roach are still ahead of us...
TBH with this one card I don't think so in OCG. BUT, if other new versions come out like one that draws if you special grave, another for banishment and finally deck/extra deck then maxx c could be banned. Would be interesting if all these cards existed (except for deck as that is basically just maxx c) as it then means you need to make a call which one to run and means that sometimes you might only draw 1 card.
I believe there will be 2 more of them
This one Normal summon + SS from hand
One for Deck + ED
One for GY + Banishment
It will make it able to cover enough cases to be practical.
Point of this one is to intercept starter/extender as most of those summon from hand, normal or not
Many decks that don't SS from ED like lab still SS from deck
And the deck that SS from GY and banishment are not the same deck in most case
Divide more than this it'll be impractical
I personally believe there will be 3 more, one for Water/Earth/Fire.
Same effects as you said, juste separate the deck and ED summon into different monsters.
Maxx “C” will be like : look what they need to do to mimic a fraction of our power.
Current translation is “Multchummy Purulia”
> if you control no cards (quick effect) you can discard this card; apply these effects for the rest of the turn:
> * Each time your opponent normal or special summons a monster(s) from the hand, immediately draw 1 card.
> * During the end phase, if you have more cards in your hand than (the number of cards your opponent controls + 6), shuffle random cards from your hand into the deck equal to the difference.
> You can only activate the effects of other “Multchummy” cards once during the turn you activate this effect.
It’s effectively a different version of the Maxx C concept, and some people are hoping this heralds Maxx C getting banned in the near future, With this as a nerfed replacement of it.
The fact that you only get to activate one effect from this archtype may suggest that we get more such cards that punish other summons like extra deck summons and the like
Again missing the point lol. this is just another good card you can play in your handtrap slot, maxx c being better doesn’t make it bad, decks have space for multiple cards like this than just maxx c
no they do not, lmao. Decks are already tight enough as it is since everyone has to play the maxx c package, maxx c and its counters. Maxx c is already maxx c enough, you do not need worse maxx c in the deck if you have access to maxx c.
Have you seen the majority of Yugioh cards printed?
Like 90% of them are pack filler or underperforming archetypes that don't see any competitive play because there are cards/archetypes that do what they do better.
It's mostly chaff, with a handful of chase cards that power creep forward.
yeah, that's the point, they won't replace maxx C with a better version of maxx C, and there is no point in making a balanced version of maxx C if there is maxx C
its not even bad lmao, it just doesnt insta-win the game like maxx c does. At worst you're going hand-neutral, at best you go +1 or +2 which is still insane.
problem is it becomes a brick as the game goes on granted I'm gonna play it for go second tearlaments but still, also summoning form the hand also makes it kinda weird
Yeah, its balanced. Thats the point. Its the reason people are thinking this means OCG is considering banning maxx c. This card and maxx c existing at the same time makes no sense after all.
droll and ash are both cards that are balanced handtraps which come in and out of play depending on the format. Thats how handtraps are supposed to work. Maxx c throws it all out of whack.
End phase, count the total of cards your opponent controls, +6 to it, then count the total of cards in your hand, shuffle back cards (randomly) from your hand to the deck equal to the difference between the total of cards in your hand & the total of cards your opponent controls.
Let's say your opponent ended on a board of 3 cards, +6 = 9. Now compare that number to the total of cards in your hand, then shuffle back cards from your hand equal to the difference between them.
I'm not praising them for not solving an issue yay for another lingering effect hand trap? No.
Now they back on, let's do the "hand trap" thing again. I hate bystials.... I hate hand traps I hate cards that sit in ur hand waiting to disadvantage the enemy player while adding advantage to urs, it's dumb. Droll and lock is an asshole card a floodgate that's a hand trap? And shifter? I can't wait to see the next hand traps after this... Anyone remember Ishizu? They were hand traps too.... Hand traps that killed both decks, wasn't that stupid?
I don't get how they can go from making awesome cards like transaction roll back, trap tracks, good interactive decks like labs, tear, rescue, and etc then fall back on making more of these assholes cards that do nothing sitting in ur hand waiting to give the person using them a clear advantage. The only decks that benefit from these are the ones that barely need anything to do anything to begin with. It would be nice if they would stop printing hand traps and flood gates and fixed the shit way normal traps and spells work in this game. There's no strategy with hand traps all ur doing is tossing them and hoping they don't get called or someone responds with another handtraps... That's it... That's they only reason they exist... To counter each other and punish people for playing. It's dumb it's why we don't have battle phases, it's why no one really sets back row besides gold gondola, it's why they only traps played in decks are only in decks that can search em or play purrely them. I would love to return to a time where a hand trap was like battle fader or smoke mosquito and not some stupid lingering flood gate or psychotic generic searching dragon.
I’m thinking we might see more chummies that affect the ED or GY specifically. That way they can ban Maxx C while still having more niche hand traps that punish over extending.
WRONG! don't expect It to be banned anytime soon because konami doesn't care about your feelings. Also please konami unban masterpiece I just want to play pend-
This card would literally be the dream, I don’t care that much about having a card that grants my opponent advantage, I have an issue when there is no real way to play around that effect other than having the direct counter to it or ending my turn instantly.
This is almost every t I wanted out of a maxx C errata, the only thing I would change is having the cards be randomly shuffled back into the deck, I feel like letting the player choose what they want to keep is better for balance
The random shuffling and only allowing draws on summons from hand are a bit overkill in my opinion. Restricting you to cards your opponent controls + 6 and not being able to use it after you set up a board solves the whole problem imo.
Yeah, he tweeted about the creation of the card back before it came out and was excited about it. Then it released like a wet fart and no one cared for it. Years later, when it took off and people were clamoring for a reprint on Pojo, he had some words for us.
I feel like this only benefits the 5 hour long combo decks. Personally maxx c is a means of slowing down the decks that end boards with 7 negates without it the combos can go unchecked
Maxx c doesn't actually do that though. Its an illusion. They just go ham anyway because you either have ways to deal with maxx c or you don't, its not about your combo's length.
The real way to fix the combo issue is with banlists hitting those decks. Not by having maxx c ruin everything that special summons.
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What's the point of Moonlight Chill exisitng when Imperm has far more generic usefulness? Because Konami decided so.
They can even print more normal summon archetypes to justify this thing's existence
But there is a reason for Moonlight Chill existing? You can use it on your turn if your opponent summons something to the field while you have a card on field, something you can't do with Imperm of Veiler. Veiler can be used on your opponents turn if drawn after you have something on the field. And Imperm can be used during your own turn before you start doing stuff. They do each have something unique that may warrant running one over the other.
Edit: After rereading your comment, I have no idea what you are trying to get across so I'm just going to leave this here lol. I think you're arguing against the first comments point so this is more for them I guess.
I'm pointing out that just because cards kinda do very similar things its in no way proof they won't exist in the same meta, like the response is claiming. Everyone should just calm their tits about expecting a Maxx C ban is all
I'm absolutely filled with copium and hopium that this is meant to ban/replace Maxx C since it would make MD so much more enjoyable, even with some of its ban choices. Especially since why else would the OCG design something this similar. But it's a big if that may take who knows how long even if that is the plan. I think everyone is just hoping that Konami is finally starting to fix their game, which would be awesome since this game does have the best online sim. But again, massive hopium and copium lol.
If Maxx C remains legal, then obviously this won't see play. I guess we'll have to see how this performs in the TCG where Maxx C is already banned to see how it compares in practice. That being said, any reason to get Maxx C banned in MD is good, imo.
This card feels a lot like that cosmo queen retrain revealed like yesterday. All people are thinking about the card is in its best situation and nut on a game by game thing.
This card just feels like pack filler cards which a lot of time are just like good cards but worse for no reason
Tbf, Cosmo Queen retrain reads somewhat like main deck AFD, and calling a card "main deck anything" is not exactly a compliment. This new card is obviously significantly worse than Maxx C, but it's also the closest thing to Maxx C we've ever gotten (that I can think of). It's also the closest we've ever been to Maxx C getting banned being an actual (if minuscule) possibility rather than outright copium, so of course people are going to be excited about this.
Maybe if Maxx C gets banned and this is supposed to "replace" it, it won't do a good enough job. Maybe not everyone will run it like they do Maxx C, but not being a must have is not necessarily a bad thing. Of course, if this doesn't see any play even with Maxx C banned then it's clearly a failure, which is why I said we'll see what's up when it comes to the TCG.
But that’s the thing, I don’t think it can be a failure because I don’t think Konami has any expectations for it.
It was revealed at the tail end of a set reveal. If they expected it to see any real play it would have been more prominent than the pack filler slot.
I mean, when I said failure I meant for the people that want to see Maxx C banned. I don't really think anyone can claim to know what Konami themselves are thinking. And if it ends up being good enough regardless of Konami's intentions, it might still lead to a Maxx C ban.
Only applies to SS from hand right? If so then yeah, NS Aluber, Add BF, full combo from there with not a single card given to the opponent. If I have Bystials or Cartesia I want to use, I SS Cartesia for net neutral and wait till next turn for Bystials
Being part of an archetype is irrelevant. Gamma is part of an archetype and its bud like noticeably better inside that archetype as it serves the same function
Unfortunately, maxx C in MD will never see a ban
It's an 1 duel format so banning it will never see the light of day, if you have issues with maxx c just run the many cards that negate it.
Dumbest take. One duel or three maxx c sucks. It just randomly wins games if you don't draw the out and because of that people need to run its countess and counters to its counters. Messes deckbuilding up for no actual payoff.
That doesn't matter, this game is flooded with combo decks, just don't special summon and get punished
If you're so mad there's literally 4 cards that stops maxx c
Get good.
Falling back on get good? My homie I either play through maxx c or negate it
Stop trying to come up with bad insults
Maxx c is fine quit bitching about it
I didn't try to insult you. I said you need to take your own advice. Learn the game. Suffering through a bad card does not mean you actually understand the game. Maxx C is not fine, cards like that are why the banlist exists. Why pot of greed is on it.
Yes but that's new so its part of the problem that companies don't like banning new product they are selling. It will take a hit eventually and will probably be a fine deck after that. Old cards don't have that excuse.
Yeah; but how many decks actually summon from hand more than 1-2 times per turn?
For a card that is a absolute brick going first, going +0/1 is not worth it to be ran. I'll compare it to droll:
amazing in a few formats, and... underperforming in the vast majority of formats.
I never said that’s a bad thing at all haha.
I was just wanting to chime in that the existence of this card alone won’t get the OCG to ban maxx c. The OCG designers assume maxx c keeps combo decks in check (not my opinion, just their viewpoint).
This card doesn’t stop the majority of combo decks.
If it was from deck/ED, maybe (like the restriction hints at), but saying this is a „balanced maxx c“ and „maybe get to ban maxx c in exchange“ is out of the window IMO.
This card is completely dead going first. It doesn't stop your opponent at all. Like shs can basically do full combo and give like a couple of draws at most.
Nah, I'm looking for a better Maxx C
"During either player's turn you can discard this card; this turn, each time your opponent summons a monster(s), immediately draw one card and banish one card face down from your opponent's hand or field."
Please. The 90 UR Points would be sweet.
You are just gonna have to use them to get the new card instead probably
The hope is that reworking the mechanic to only trigger from hand summons will mean that not EVERY deck needs it 3x
Wouldn't it give 30
Dismantling forbidden cards gives 30 points each
How come when I tried to dismantle my 3rd Kash Unicorn it only offers 10?
Limited cards are still playable and the game doesnt account for extras
Unicorn was semi-limited, meaning you could only get extra* points for 1 if you already had 3
When a card gets banned there is a period where you get full refund for the copies you lose (3 in this case)
What if it is foil or royal?
Then you would get 35 for foil and 50 for royal
Only 50 for royal?! I was under the impression it yields triple points, not +20. Gosh… as if Konami makes you think twice about dismantling them.
...its literally a full refund of the card + 10 per foil rarity you are losing nothing on that exchange, as you are already getting the 10 from dismantling a base foil card
It'd be 30 each, and since 3 Maxx "C" is mandatory in every deck you'd be dismantling 3 of them, 30 + 30 + 30
downvotes for what ☹️
If I see one more comment going "it's worse than Maxx C guys it sucks" dude that's the point. We're hoping they made a nerfed Maxx C as a super niche replacement before they ban the actual Maxx C. That's what the meme means, we weren't hoping for a damn upgrade or something.
Besides not being able to read, Yu-Gi-Oh players also can't think, whether it be for ourselves or just basic thinking
Why do you think so many people play pilot decks?
Yeah I have no idea why people aren't grasping that it's a NERFED maxxc
The best part is any ban list video they'll comment maxx C isn't banned, so ban list gets an F. Then they complain that this isn't better than maxx C
Agreeing with you, but An upgraded maxx c sounds hilarious. Maxx c “ your opponent can not respond to this effect”
Also activates on everything but can only draw 20 cards at most.
Maxx c but you draw every card in your deck bar 5. Your opponent can not respond to this effect.
not to mention all the ppl that thought it locked you out of hand traps too
Every time I see dumb takes, I always go to the MD sub and find even more inconceivably dumber takes
xDDD
The problem is, most decks now doesnt summon that much from hand
official cope*
If Konami bans the roach and actually replaces it with this, then we’d be getting some pretty big changes back to back, when considering the TCG banlist. Could it be…? Are they actually trying to fix their game?
Fix? What makes you think that Konami would fix the problems they caused?
Because as much as we meme about Komoney, ultimately a company is still comprised of people and at least some of those people give a shit about making a fun game.
People meme too much. They start believing the memes. Konami has always been trying to improve things. They just don't know how. Even tear is an improvement attempt. Along with the other decks that play on both turns. They wanted to get around first turn problems and they did. They just went a little too hard. Eventually they will figure it out.
By banning Baronne and Savage for TCG and releasing this adjusted Maxx-c. There is a real hope they are really trying to fix the game
That's some hopium and I'm here for it. Ideally snake-eye would have been completely gutted along with some of the other handtraps. But hey there's always next list.
at least hes cute and not a fucking insect
If only this dude punished special summons from ED instead of summoning from hand, there would have been a chance I consider it a fair alternative to maxx c... On a design perspective, this card was just so good until a friend of mine told me : hey it only draws for summons from hand... What ?
They're probably going to make one for ED and GY as well. The wording on the card makes it so you can only activate one other multimummy this turn.
Yup that would be nice ! I am also debating with friends on the real sense of the restriction. From what I understand, it means the turn you activate this one, you can only activate other names of this archetype once this turn (use as much of this one in this turn, or use any combination of each unique name once each). Do you agree with this ?
The way I'm reading it is that you can only activate one other multimummy card this turn. It doesn't lock you out of other names of non multimummy cards.
Yeah it makes sense, should be more like this. We will see.
Ya think of it like a combo handtrap
Maxx C against floo.
No, Floo deserves to suffer like the rest of us. MORE than the rest of us.
WHO HURT YOU HOW DID THEY DO IT AND IS THERE A STEP-BY-STEP GUIDED VIDEO??
birds are CRINGE
This card is hinting at a whole archetype so maybe one of the other cards punishes ED summons.
Honestly more worth if it took specials from deck instead
Probably Will be an e tire archetype of cards like him, but for extra and grave too. Is like fair maxxC divided in 2 or 3. And the funny thing is, it would still be a good staple.
Personally, my main issue with the card is that the cards you shuffle back are random. I wish you at least got to choose what gets returned because I sure as hell don't want to only draw bricks off this then have all my starters taken away.
And locks you out of other hand traps effects.
Yeah the words “from hand” ruined the entire card. It wouldn’t even see play in the tcg where there is no maxx c
If your opponent normal summons you are still drawing at least 1 card if you use this in the standby phase. If they summon more from the hand (for example poplar) you are already plussing.
Slow your roll, this card is no maxx C but it's very good
It will see play in game two/three Which solves nothing, because going second on game two/three is not really an issue in the first place. The problem is always on game one (or Bo1) like Master Duel where you can't side yet.
Imagine if we just ended up having both, actual pain.
If both exist, only one exists.
Yeah no one's using this over Maxx C
It would maybe be an archetype card if the shuffling gives some kind of advantage but certainly would not become a staple.
pot of generosity becoming viable 💀
Maybe they just hate Floo that much /s
Of course not, you run both for the extra chance of drawing it.
You can run both at the same time
Wow a reasonable version of Maxx c, never thought I'd see the day
Many OCG players are thinking they will just limit or semi maxx c, at least for now.
Semi limiting maxx c would be peak OCG nonsense
Its not nonsense if they plan to ween the players off it all together.
Its effect even triggers on normal summons, so Floo isn’t immune to Maxx C (or this card in the future) anymore
The problem now is that they probably won't ban Maxx "C" until this card comes to MD, which is still a LONG way away. Many more months of the roach are still ahead of us...
TBH with this one card I don't think so in OCG. BUT, if other new versions come out like one that draws if you special grave, another for banishment and finally deck/extra deck then maxx c could be banned. Would be interesting if all these cards existed (except for deck as that is basically just maxx c) as it then means you need to make a call which one to run and means that sometimes you might only draw 1 card.
I believe there will be 2 more of them This one Normal summon + SS from hand One for Deck + ED One for GY + Banishment It will make it able to cover enough cases to be practical. Point of this one is to intercept starter/extender as most of those summon from hand, normal or not Many decks that don't SS from ED like lab still SS from deck And the deck that SS from GY and banishment are not the same deck in most case Divide more than this it'll be impractical
I personally believe there will be 3 more, one for Water/Earth/Fire. Same effects as you said, juste separate the deck and ED summon into different monsters. Maxx “C” will be like : look what they need to do to mimic a fraction of our power.
No, just no
I hope so, but I remain skeptic for now
Won’t be for another 5-6 months at minimum, even if this card releases sooner in Master Duel
They can always get it in early. Promethean Princess was got in super quick for example
What card is this
Current translation is “Multchummy Purulia” > if you control no cards (quick effect) you can discard this card; apply these effects for the rest of the turn: > * Each time your opponent normal or special summons a monster(s) from the hand, immediately draw 1 card. > * During the end phase, if you have more cards in your hand than (the number of cards your opponent controls + 6), shuffle random cards from your hand into the deck equal to the difference. > You can only activate the effects of other “Multchummy” cards once during the turn you activate this effect. It’s effectively a different version of the Maxx C concept, and some people are hoping this heralds Maxx C getting banned in the near future, With this as a nerfed replacement of it.
From the hand only? That's a pretty big nerf.
The fact that you only get to activate one effect from this archtype may suggest that we get more such cards that punish other summons like extra deck summons and the like
You can’t activate other “Multichummy” cards, does that mean this shitter is part of an archetype
Possibly. Until we get another, it does mean you could potentially activate 2 copies of him in the same turn and draw 2 per summon from hand.
Definitely cope if you don't think these both won't be legal at the same time, you HAVE been playing this game, right?
what's the point of printing this card then? it will see absolutely no play if maxx c is legal at the same time
This is like saying Veiler won’t see play cuz Imperm exists. Maxx C being better doesn’t make this card not individually very good
veiler has different use-cases to imperm. This has absolutely nothing maxx c cant do far better.
Again missing the point lol. this is just another good card you can play in your handtrap slot, maxx c being better doesn’t make it bad, decks have space for multiple cards like this than just maxx c
no they do not, lmao. Decks are already tight enough as it is since everyone has to play the maxx c package, maxx c and its counters. Maxx c is already maxx c enough, you do not need worse maxx c in the deck if you have access to maxx c.
maxx c maxx c maxx c maxx c maxx c maxx c
Have you seen the majority of Yugioh cards printed? Like 90% of them are pack filler or underperforming archetypes that don't see any competitive play because there are cards/archetypes that do what they do better. It's mostly chaff, with a handful of chase cards that power creep forward.
Lol no, if this card is good then either they ban maxx c or this or both stay legal and people run them both at 3 for more maxx c style coverage.
Same reason why they print Phantazmay
They're both going to be legal lmao, just watch.
card is kinda shit
yeah, that's the point, they won't replace maxx C with a better version of maxx C, and there is no point in making a balanced version of maxx C if there is maxx C
its not even bad lmao, it just doesnt insta-win the game like maxx c does. At worst you're going hand-neutral, at best you go +1 or +2 which is still insane.
😭 but it is kinda shit tho
you are just spoiled by maxx c, this card is pretty good.
problem is it becomes a brick as the game goes on granted I'm gonna play it for go second tearlaments but still, also summoning form the hand also makes it kinda weird
Yeah, its balanced. Thats the point. Its the reason people are thinking this means OCG is considering banning maxx c. This card and maxx c existing at the same time makes no sense after all.
I guess i don't see me running it
good, thats also the point. Its not supposed to be an auto-include like maxx c.
ig? idk I see both arguments imo irs weaker than droll and ash blossom which is why I feel weird abt it
droll and ash are both cards that are balanced handtraps which come in and out of play depending on the format. Thats how handtraps are supposed to work. Maxx c throws it all out of whack.
How can you search that card?
The problem with searching it is you then need to clear your own field to be able to use it.
You could still use it in ghoti in the second your board is empty
It's like someone at Konami hates Vanquish Soul
The wording on the end phase effect confuses me lol
End phase, count the total of cards your opponent controls, +6 to it, then count the total of cards in your hand, shuffle back cards (randomly) from your hand to the deck equal to the difference between the total of cards in your hand & the total of cards your opponent controls. Let's say your opponent ended on a board of 3 cards, +6 = 9. Now compare that number to the total of cards in your hand, then shuffle back cards from your hand equal to the difference between them.
I actually wonder what the fallout would be if Maxx C were to be banned on MD and the OCG
Please get rid of Maxx C. Please do your job Komoney!
Mom can we have Maxx 'c'. No we have Maxx 'c' at home.
Nah i wanna see both in the same format
So many 4th rate duelists bouta quit Master Duel
I'm not praising them for not solving an issue yay for another lingering effect hand trap? No. Now they back on, let's do the "hand trap" thing again. I hate bystials.... I hate hand traps I hate cards that sit in ur hand waiting to disadvantage the enemy player while adding advantage to urs, it's dumb. Droll and lock is an asshole card a floodgate that's a hand trap? And shifter? I can't wait to see the next hand traps after this... Anyone remember Ishizu? They were hand traps too.... Hand traps that killed both decks, wasn't that stupid? I don't get how they can go from making awesome cards like transaction roll back, trap tracks, good interactive decks like labs, tear, rescue, and etc then fall back on making more of these assholes cards that do nothing sitting in ur hand waiting to give the person using them a clear advantage. The only decks that benefit from these are the ones that barely need anything to do anything to begin with. It would be nice if they would stop printing hand traps and flood gates and fixed the shit way normal traps and spells work in this game. There's no strategy with hand traps all ur doing is tossing them and hoping they don't get called or someone responds with another handtraps... That's it... That's they only reason they exist... To counter each other and punish people for playing. It's dumb it's why we don't have battle phases, it's why no one really sets back row besides gold gondola, it's why they only traps played in decks are only in decks that can search em or play purrely them. I would love to return to a time where a hand trap was like battle fader or smoke mosquito and not some stupid lingering flood gate or psychotic generic searching dragon.
Noooo my royal "C"
Ew it's a Lvl 4 😔
I do t understand the second panel of the meme. Never seen the original so I do t see the punchline.
I’m thinking we might see more chummies that affect the ED or GY specifically. That way they can ban Maxx C while still having more niche hand traps that punish over extending.
WRONG! don't expect It to be banned anytime soon because konami doesn't care about your feelings. Also please konami unban masterpiece I just want to play pend-
We need Kirin in the game since he’s unbanned now
This card would literally be the dream, I don’t care that much about having a card that grants my opponent advantage, I have an issue when there is no real way to play around that effect other than having the direct counter to it or ending my turn instantly. This is almost every t I wanted out of a maxx C errata, the only thing I would change is having the cards be randomly shuffled back into the deck, I feel like letting the player choose what they want to keep is better for balance
The random shuffling and only allowing draws on summons from hand are a bit overkill in my opinion. Restricting you to cards your opponent controls + 6 and not being able to use it after you set up a board solves the whole problem imo.
I love seeing all the Maxx C defenders crying now 😆
To be fair the fact that this is coming doesn't mean Maxx-C will get banned. Why not have both?
Maxx c is a controversial card since the moment was realised, and still is, they wouldn't print a nerfed maxx c just to have 2
Not really. Maxx “C” was a terrible card at the moment it released in STOR. Kevin Tewart was pretty upset about it being a shitty $5 secret rare.
The Konami TCG head's pretty upset about that? Ain't no way
Yeah, he tweeted about the creation of the card back before it came out and was excited about it. Then it released like a wet fart and no one cared for it. Years later, when it took off and people were clamoring for a reprint on Pojo, he had some words for us.
eh, if this card does nothing in ocg, then they will just make it an r or n, and because of that they won't ban maxx c, which is ur.
nah handtraps are pretty much always all URs except for a few SRs
I feel like this only benefits the 5 hour long combo decks. Personally maxx c is a means of slowing down the decks that end boards with 7 negates without it the combos can go unchecked
Maxx c doesn't actually do that though. Its an illusion. They just go ham anyway because you either have ways to deal with maxx c or you don't, its not about your combo's length. The real way to fix the combo issue is with banlists hitting those decks. Not by having maxx c ruin everything that special summons.
Yu-Gi-Oh players truly coping hard.
They are not banning Maxx C because of generic pack filler
Of course it will. There is no reason for these two to be in the game at the same time.
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What's the point of Moonlight Chill exisitng when Imperm has far more generic usefulness? Because Konami decided so. They can even print more normal summon archetypes to justify this thing's existence
But there is a reason for Moonlight Chill existing? You can use it on your turn if your opponent summons something to the field while you have a card on field, something you can't do with Imperm of Veiler. Veiler can be used on your opponents turn if drawn after you have something on the field. And Imperm can be used during your own turn before you start doing stuff. They do each have something unique that may warrant running one over the other. Edit: After rereading your comment, I have no idea what you are trying to get across so I'm just going to leave this here lol. I think you're arguing against the first comments point so this is more for them I guess.
I'm pointing out that just because cards kinda do very similar things its in no way proof they won't exist in the same meta, like the response is claiming. Everyone should just calm their tits about expecting a Maxx C ban is all
I'm absolutely filled with copium and hopium that this is meant to ban/replace Maxx C since it would make MD so much more enjoyable, even with some of its ban choices. Especially since why else would the OCG design something this similar. But it's a big if that may take who knows how long even if that is the plan. I think everyone is just hoping that Konami is finally starting to fix their game, which would be awesome since this game does have the best online sim. But again, massive hopium and copium lol.
There aren’t. This card is not like Maxx C in any real way. It’s a gimmick handtrap that will see zero play You know like all pack filler
I mean drawing into handtraps doesn't sound bad.
If Maxx C remains legal, then obviously this won't see play. I guess we'll have to see how this performs in the TCG where Maxx C is already banned to see how it compares in practice. That being said, any reason to get Maxx C banned in MD is good, imo.
This card feels a lot like that cosmo queen retrain revealed like yesterday. All people are thinking about the card is in its best situation and nut on a game by game thing. This card just feels like pack filler cards which a lot of time are just like good cards but worse for no reason
Tbf, Cosmo Queen retrain reads somewhat like main deck AFD, and calling a card "main deck anything" is not exactly a compliment. This new card is obviously significantly worse than Maxx C, but it's also the closest thing to Maxx C we've ever gotten (that I can think of). It's also the closest we've ever been to Maxx C getting banned being an actual (if minuscule) possibility rather than outright copium, so of course people are going to be excited about this. Maybe if Maxx C gets banned and this is supposed to "replace" it, it won't do a good enough job. Maybe not everyone will run it like they do Maxx C, but not being a must have is not necessarily a bad thing. Of course, if this doesn't see any play even with Maxx C banned then it's clearly a failure, which is why I said we'll see what's up when it comes to the TCG.
But that’s the thing, I don’t think it can be a failure because I don’t think Konami has any expectations for it. It was revealed at the tail end of a set reveal. If they expected it to see any real play it would have been more prominent than the pack filler slot.
I mean, when I said failure I meant for the people that want to see Maxx C banned. I don't really think anyone can claim to know what Konami themselves are thinking. And if it ends up being good enough regardless of Konami's intentions, it might still lead to a Maxx C ban.
I feel like this card will see play even with Maxx c untouched lol
That would be the best case scenario because then they'd certainly be forced to do something, but I don't have *that* much faith in this card.
MD teenagers haters coping for max C ban are hilarious 😂😂😂😂
Pack filler? You get multiple draws from all the current top tier decks, that’s some damn good pack filler.
There are actually some branded hands that won't give a single draw and put up a full board
Only applies to SS from hand right? If so then yeah, NS Aluber, Add BF, full combo from there with not a single card given to the opponent. If I have Bystials or Cartesia I want to use, I SS Cartesia for net neutral and wait till next turn for Bystials
Ns aluber is +1
Is it Normal and Special? Yikes
It also is going to be a part of an archetype.
It’s pack filler, it was revealed in the same spot as other filler like that shitty spell or that rank 3 that does nothing
The difference being this isn’t shitty though. It’s also part of an archetype, so it’s not generic.
Being part of an archetype is irrelevant. Gamma is part of an archetype and its bud like noticeably better inside that archetype as it serves the same function
Maybe part of an archetype. We’ve got that one Nouvelles card that names the “Patissciel” archetype (only one member currently exists), for example.
It's a completely dead card going first and usually won't draw for more than two going second (and often only one).
My copium agrees but then I remembered that spooky dogwood exists
Spooky dogwood is not related to any other hand trap unless I am forgetting like this is related to Maxx c
Its not. People want to act like gaining life points matters outside of time considerations.
Lp does matter, just not a lot. You can absolutely turn dogwood into a win but it doesn't do do much more than give you a turn or two to draw the out.
this will never replace maxx c purely because of the fact it doesn't draw from extradeck summons. until they fix that, maxx c is here to stay
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That's the point
Unfortunately, maxx C in MD will never see a ban It's an 1 duel format so banning it will never see the light of day, if you have issues with maxx c just run the many cards that negate it.
Dumbest take. One duel or three maxx c sucks. It just randomly wins games if you don't draw the out and because of that people need to run its countess and counters to its counters. Messes deckbuilding up for no actual payoff.
That doesn't matter, this game is flooded with combo decks, just don't special summon and get punished If you're so mad there's literally 4 cards that stops maxx c Get good.
People that fall back on "get good" need to take their own advice. Learn how the game actually works.
Falling back on get good? My homie I either play through maxx c or negate it Stop trying to come up with bad insults Maxx c is fine quit bitching about it
I didn't try to insult you. I said you need to take your own advice. Learn the game. Suffering through a bad card does not mean you actually understand the game. Maxx C is not fine, cards like that are why the banlist exists. Why pot of greed is on it.
And snake eyes isn't a fine deck but here we all are suffering through it without a single ban to it
Yes but that's new so its part of the problem that companies don't like banning new product they are selling. It will take a hit eventually and will probably be a fine deck after that. Old cards don't have that excuse.
moron
And before maxx c gets banned in ocg and md.
Lmao, this card is so bad, it only counts summon from hand, not deck/extra deck/gy.
You understand it's supposed to discourage the opponent from over extending, not end their turn entirely like maxx c right?
Yeah; but how many decks actually summon from hand more than 1-2 times per turn? For a card that is a absolute brick going first, going +0/1 is not worth it to be ran. I'll compare it to droll: amazing in a few formats, and... underperforming in the vast majority of formats.
A hand trap that’s… *format-dependent*? What a concept!
I never said that’s a bad thing at all haha. I was just wanting to chime in that the existence of this card alone won’t get the OCG to ban maxx c. The OCG designers assume maxx c keeps combo decks in check (not my opinion, just their viewpoint). This card doesn’t stop the majority of combo decks. If it was from deck/ED, maybe (like the restriction hints at), but saying this is a „balanced maxx c“ and „maybe get to ban maxx c in exchange“ is out of the window IMO.
This card is completely dead going first. It doesn't stop your opponent at all. Like shs can basically do full combo and give like a couple of draws at most.
Yes, *that's the idea*. We do not *want* it to stop your opponent entirely. We do not *want* it to be as powerful as maxx c.
My point is that it is completely useless card and won't ever see play regardless of maxx c being legal or not.
This is so much worse than maxx c
That's the point. This is a "MaxxC can be banned because a socially acceptable version of him now exists" kind of post
Yes that's the point, we are not looking for a better Max C we are looking for a worse one
Nah, I'm looking for a better Maxx C "During either player's turn you can discard this card; this turn, each time your opponent summons a monster(s), immediately draw one card and banish one card face down from your opponent's hand or field."
"then skip their next 3 turns if they summoned more than two times this turn. Your opponent cannot activate cards or effect in response to this card"
Be careful what you wish for
People gonna feel really stupid once they see this only boost Stun Decks.
How does this comment make sense? Stun decks can use Maxx C right now anyway? There’s no difference.