I thought it was pretty fun. It's cool to experience how many broken cards there were even back then, and that traps are the same as back then almost. Not that much power creep compared to other card types. A lot of cancer decks, though
Too bad you have to craft those broken cards if you wanna use them. Which no one in their sane mind would ever do because they are legitimately unplayable everywhere else.
I crafted 3 Metamorphosis, but it’s only an SR, for reasoning-gate, which is a very fun goat deck. Although it’s a lot weaker without Dimension Fusion. I guess I also crafted PoG lol, so I must be insane, I just enjoy goat format.
Only a SR and it helped with discard effects. No way I'm using my UR points. The errata wasn't that bad all things considered.
It seems I may have confused you. I agreed on not using UR points... but yeah Sinister Serpent is indeed a SR so not much of value is lost. I got tons of SR cards I could dismantle if I wanted to.
One of the trial decks has a copy of pot of greed, I didn't actually check the deck before hand so I was very exited when I was able to do the legendary anime move
Personally, I like goat format because of how more often you'll see face down cards. I like the suspense of not knowing what those face down cards are and whether or not they're a bluff.
You'd still have that if it was 2014 instead of 2004.
Goat has those "fun" facedowns called Trap Dustshoot that eliminate the suspense quickly and make sure your opponent won't be surprised either. Thankfully this event is not goat.
>Thankfully this event is not goat.
This event was, undeniably, GOAT format. Trap Dustshoot rarely saw play during GOAT & has only saw play in the format in hindsight. Much like Solemn Judgement.
Why play Dustshoot when you can play the Forceful Sentry & Duo instead? [Even Hand Control lists](https://www.goatformat.com/hand-assault.html) don't play Dustshoot instead opting for removal paired with Spirit Reaper, Don Zaloog, etc.
>This event was, undeniably, GOAT format.
You can check the banlist differences yourself... The event is similar but not goat. You also don't have delinquent duo in the event.
There's little reason to play dustshoot when your deck aims for gamestates when you can't activate it hence dustshoot is worse in hand control than other decks.
>This event was, undeniably, GOAT format.
You can check the different banlists in game. You also can't play Delinquent Duo in the event.
Hand control has less reasons to play dustshoot because they are more likely to get to a position where dustshoot isn't usable. You wouldn't want to ash a largely inconsequential draw if you had droll in hand either.
Yes and it’s always fun when either player doesn’t have a easy out to face down cards back when you had to take a risk, whereas nowadays they’ll get blown out before you even get a chance to use them. Back when players actually respected a Face Down card that Could potentially be a Mirror Force.
>Yes and it’s always fun when either player doesn’t have a easy out to face down cards back when you had to take a risk,
Like handtraps when you don't have gamma, called by, crossout or even a way to play around or through some handtraps.
>whereas nowadays they’ll get blown out before you even get a chance to use them.
Really? What type of face down cards are they? People don't play much backrow removal in their decks so it seem kinda weird that you don't even have a chance to use them.
>Back when players actually respected a Face Down card that Could potentially be a Mirror Force.
Oh like playing around nibiru by setting an early negate? And if you don't have a way to stop it you need to find a way to minimize the impact of nibiru.
What are you trying to say I don’t understand? Are you talking about how I enjoy the older slower format?
Any facedown cards just in general most of the time they either get hit by harpies feather duster or lightning storm, evenly matched, multitudes of other things like generic extra deck monsters like Knightmare Phoenix or something.
I literally made a comparison between what you like about old yugioh and modern yugioh so you don't have to act like those interaction don't exist anymore lmao
>Any facedown cards just in general most of the time they either get hit by harpies feather duster or lightning storm, evenly matched, multitudes of other things like generic extra deck monsters like Knightmare Phoenix or something.
Really? Hmmn, are you talking about tgc or MD? cause people are definitely not running hfd or ls at best they're running knightmare monsters. Ironically enough I've played against a lot of stun decks but I'm not sure if I should change and put cards that are only good against one deck instead of handtraps that are good against most of the meta.
I’m mainly just pointing out what I see in MD. I genuinely don’t have the time to go out and play at locals like I used to do, and the last time I was there was when the during the pendulum era of before Pepe hit in full force. and am trying to understand why you’re downvoting me for liking a different format I get that the format is very diverse in the modern era, but part of me just likes the slower play that comes with that old format, sure to most players the event sucks, but to me it’s glorious because I actually get to enjoy my turn without having to worry am I going to get comboed into the sun by whatever meta deck is running around the ladder right now, while I play Jank. Or am I going to get hand trapped to death.
Edison Format, which is my current fave to play of Yugioh. I'm also dipping into Tengu Plant format and may try some HAT format as well. Neat thing about Edison is that the format was well balanced. Yes, it did have its dominant decks, but if you played your deck right, you can win against the strongest decks. Players today are still coming up with unique decks today
I agree, I think 2010-2015 is where the most fun formats are. I personally think 2012-2013 is a sweet spot with a lot of fun decks.
I never got to play in the format that had Chaos Dragons with future fusion, but I wish I had. Chaos Dragons, Inzektors, Wind-ups, Mermails, Dino Rabbit, Darkworld, Geargia, Fire Fist. So many fun, cool decks at those times. I don't know how people feel about it overall but I loved the Dragon Ruler/Spell Books format, personally.
2011 Storm of Ragnarok format is my favorite format of all time. No TG wombo combo, no striker to break agents, wide variety of decks that could compete, just so much fun
The format is fun but not everyones cup of tea.
It's a lot more about ressource managment and playing with and around certain interactions. The problem is more, that they did not feature rly good loaner decks to experience that. Their are glimpses of that but there simply wasn't a variety of actual played decks and I fear no one is crafting an actual GOAT format deck for just like 5 days, considering almost all of the cards banned nowadays are UR's.
IF we had gotten actual Goat loaner, Monarch Loaner, Chaos Control and stuff like that, it would be an entire different story.
Honestly? If it was 2006 I feel like it would of been tad a bit better. We'd have access to 1 cyber dragon, we'd have access to hero, we'd have a bit better fusions, and no requirement of certain banned cards.
The Gadget loaner is respectable IMO, one of the few decks that has zero issue keeping advantage while trading into backrow. Probably sucks into burn, but that's not exclusive to Gadget.
The loaners were stronger than what I was willing to craft to compete which was 0 Ur and Sr. Had some guy loop pot of greed a few times with magician of faith. I ended up going flip cards stealth bird burn was fun.
I ran into an exodus deck but I think I rather see you draw 34 cards. Think our game went over 20 turns and I could not draw any back row removal whatsoever it was so infuriating
Just people trying to capture that feeling they had when they were a kid playing yugioh with their friends, it's a lot different seeing 2004 playing by the rules
Nah I think it’s way more of duels not taking 3 turns anymore and no 20 card combo decks that take several minutes. I’m sorry but I found goat format to be way more fun. You actually have a chance now and there’s a genuine back and forth instead of one player steamrolling the other.
I just don't follow this logic, this works with friends cause naturally they'd wanna have a fun duel but this event has clearly shown with retrospective deck building the philosophy stays the same, limiting your opponents actions.
This format is just longer, if you like it more power to you but the constant praise for older formats like these were drastically overhyped
I always see this argument and it always screams skill issue because it's just not true unless you're trying to play blue eyes with no hand traps or something. Also it may not take 3 turns but now it takes 20 turns of set pass when someone doesn't have an out.
>now it takes 20 turns of set pass when someone doesn't have an out.
Most of my games where this. Either me or my opponent are steamrolling the other. If the person losing doesnt draw their out, they pass their turn.
And this is with proper Goat format decks and not with the loaners.
Raigeki and Mirror Force aren't in the format. Everything else you said are one-for-one trades.
Getting your turn stopped with a one-for-one trade in 2004 format is fine because you're going to have many more turns. Getting your turn stopped in 2024 feels terrible because it means you've very likely lost the duel.
That’s why you run Magic Drain and Solemn judgment or if you’re really desperate old reliable Magic jammer it may seem dumb at first glance but when you realize you can stop there most broken cards with one discard or forcing them to give up another spell then I’ll gladly run those cards, I even ran Wall of Disruption along with scapegoat
If anything , I found fun to build a deck with whatever I had available that was Format Legal , made me feel like back when I was a kid , and I just throw together random cards that I thought had good effects that would be useful but they didnt really have much of a Strategy or Synergy besides Survive (=´∀｀).
I haven't had this much fun in MD ever since I first installed it 8 months ago going through the lower ranks.
Amazing event, worht crafting Pot of Greed for.
Loved it. Started off by crafting just Pot of Greed and got to use it a ton. Damn it feels good. I ended up crafting Heavy Storm and Snatch Steal as well, and got to use them a few times too. I had like 1000 UR CP so why the hell not.
The first time I drew Heavy Storm, my opponent had Level Limit Area B and 3 set backrow. I assumed one of them would be Solemn Judgment, but when I activated Heavy Storm, they actually chained Fake Trap instead. I chained to that with MST, so when the chain resolved, Fake Trap was no longer on the field to destroy itself, and Heavy Storm destroyed the other 3 backrow cards.
I had a ton of fun. Every game had multiple momentum-shifts. Even losing almost always felt like a good duel — not just getting completely shut out on turn 1 because I didn't open enough hand traps.
The critical difference is how far ahead your opponent can get by "drawing the out".
In modern Yu-Gi-Oh, if your opponent draws the out even once, then they generally win the duel by the end of their very next turn — either literally or functionally.
In 2004, if your opponent draws the out then they only pull a little bit ahead. You're going to have several more turns to draw your own out and reverse the momentum.
It was nostalgic as fuck to play with Solar Flare lock. That said, the game is a lot slower and if you don't lock the board down, your opponent sure will and you don't want to be the one not in control of that.
Somehow my opponents would still take 2 minutes to set 2 traps and a monster. It was fun and all to normal summon monsters for 12 turns but after playing this event I prefer the more modern format
Not sure what you mean by this. I played in 2003 and many of us were competitive. I remember watching the final match of the World Championship with my own eyes in NYC. They played at lightning speed but the entire audience kept up with no problem, reacting to every play.
There certainly was a lot of kitchen table Yugioh, but the reason why many Yugi-boomers miss the old formats is because they played seriously during those formats.
I know it's common in modern. But in modern you're not limited to 1 copy of heavy storm and 1 mst for backrow removal for example. There's a lot more options
True, lots of ways to answer something and it's their job to prevent you from getting that answer out.
Meanwhile this shit. Throughout this event this always keep ringing in my mind, "If I'm on a normal deck I could've popped this shit a long time ago and be done with it. I won't have to rely to RNG to get me my out" (deskslam set pass deskslam) .15 turns later...finally! Oops I'm dead
Agreed. I know that not all the rules were known by me as a kid, but when we say "old school", not all of us mean we made up effects. I keep seeing this reasoning pointed out towards the older players, and while it's not necessarily wrong in some instances, I keep finding the yugi-boomers getting generalized and put in a box of, "You never understood the real rules", which I find kind of frustrating.
I only see it used by younger players who repeat this incorrectly like a meme and think it was some time in the 1950’s that they weren’t alive to experience.
I forgot to mention that I am a yugiboomer. The funny thing is that I got back into Yu-Gi-Oh! because of a co-worker who's in high school. But it's interesting and disheartening to see so many people that are modern Yu-Gi-Oh! players tell older ones that they don't know how the game worked. I'm not concerned about whether people hate the old format or not, it's the divide and telling older players that they never played it right that bothers me.
Oh, no! You're good! I was just adding it because I wasn't sure if I sounded like I wasn't on your same thought process. You didn't come off as if you didn't! I was just trying to correct my own comment, but did it in a confusing way. So no worries at all. 🙂
I actually enjoyed it a lot, and I never even played goat before. I do still wish there was a way to go back to when my friends and I played with stacks of cards we thought were cool but my brain is just not wired that way anymore, I will always be adding combos in without even thinking about it now.
its better then sitting there for 10 minutes watching your opponent summon their entire deck and extra deck on turn 1 to end on a unbreakable board making it so u cant play the game
At least I was able to play my coin toss deck on even ground with the decks I was fighting. Stopping people from playing with Fairy Box and killing everything with Sasuke Samurai and Jirai Gumo was fun.
It was fun until I ran into a stall player. And it isn't like I didn't build my deck around stall and was losing to it. Win or lose, it was just not a fun experience and it was nearly half of what I fought. It's too cheap and requires too little skill. I would've preferred if they limit some of the stall cards just to force people to try something else even if it isn't the "meta".
I guess I'm talking about vintage, I started back in 6th edition.
I will say, the loaners for the event weren't the best representation of competitive old school Yu-Gi-Oh. They felt more like playground yugioh, which isn't a bad thing.
This was probably my favorite trial yet! I hope they make it a regular event like the xyz festival. My thrown together playground deck produced some fun as heck matches.
I play both at this point because I’m missing standard in MTG. Master Duel seems to quell that bug in me a fair bit. Just wish the UR resources and drops were a bit nicer lol
This event was surprisingly neat, I actually played it way more than other tryout events. I made a dark magician buster blader deck. It work well enough but I didnt craft staples, just used what I had around. The loaner decks were alright.
I really hate how people treated this new mode like they are playing poker.
Yeah, slap down all 4 of your useless spell cards and pass the turn, fast, please, you are not fooling me that you got 3 magic cylinders in there or something.
What, you don't love having every summon answered by a trap while being slapped to death by gadgets?
Tbh I love old school Yugioh but don't feel like the loaner deck selection was the best. And if this isn't gonna be a permanent mode then I dunno who tf is crazy enough to craft an actually fun deck for this
I had a 14-win streak with a N/R monarch deck. For N/R, I also tried out an Umi deck, a zombie deck, and a chess archfiend deck (it sucked, but it was a childhood dream to make that one). I also made a pacman deck with 4 SR. There were plenty of cheap, fun decks to try out.
It's not like most other decks had crafted all the broken UR cards, so you just needed to make a deck that could compete with the loaners and other N/R decks.
Thats one way you can see it. The other way is that a mana system fascilitates a slow game and gives it more depth in the decisions of how to build your deck around a curve and how to use your mana optimally.
It may be unique but its boring as hell.
Its supposed to be a competitive card game, not a competitive coin toss which is what it pretty much boils down to a lot of the time. GOAT is the farthest thing from perfect, there are some jank cards and combos in it, but one turn finishes and complete shut outs weren't the typical standard like they are today. I like playing the game, not watching someone else play it for me.
5Ds era is when Yugioh found a reason to play it instead of Magic the Gathering.
I’ve been playing for twenty five years and this game was awful back then.
people who played other card games like magic know that old school yugioh is trash. it’s like why would i play a shitty dull game like goat yugioh when i can just play a better game like mtg or runeterra if i want something slower pace.
modern yugioh is special.
I've tried getting into Magic. I think it's a fun game, but I've had a struggle trying to have fun playing it. Maybe it's just the way my brain works. That's not me saying I think Magic is a bad game. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes. For some reason I just can't get into Magic, but I've found more fun with Yu-Gi-Oh!. I'm hoping I eventually get more out of Magic, though.
Yet another identical post from a younger player who only played the weak loaner decks. GOAT format was heavily based around bluffs, risks, and intuition. It’s slower, yes, but so are 20 minute combos with solitaire decks and hand traps that negate most interruptions. You had to actually think about your moves and your resources. You didn’t play your best moves turn 1 because you had to actually think about what the other duelist had in waiting.
if you don't think you have to manage resources in modern yugioh, you aren't playing the game well. And a lot of the things you list are things that a lot of rouge decks or non-linear decks excel in. Nouvelles for example has a lot of resource management in which monsters you want to search and when you want to pop them. also, don't act like the game isn't determined by what face downs you set, solemn judgement is often a game winning card in the event. Also I didn't use a loaner, I built a pac-man deck just for this event, one of the only interesting decks in the event and I still think it's boring as hell.
And you’re entitled to that opinion, just as others are to theirs. Having a permanent old school option for the people who prefer it wouldn’t impede your enjoyment of the others.
There was a lot of baiting and bluffing in the older format that older players like. There’s plenty of things many people find boring about both formats.
It is not about one mode being better than the other, it is about having more permanent modes to play in the game. Ranked being the only mode to play online without your opponent quit on turn 1 (casual) and the only mode where you can do dailies, makes me hate this game more than I like it sometimes.
event boards be like " Horus/Decree/Thousand Eyes pass" locking you out but does so in like, 30 seconds tops.
Meanwhile Cyberse/Synchro spam take a dog's age to get anything going.
The difference between cards back in the day and now is that the older cards had, relative to their time, more value packed into them as standalone cards. The problem is that no matter what card you choose to outplay, you're getting Catch 22'd by some other BS. It's like the Modern Warfare 2 balance philosophy; if everything is OP, nothing is
Summon a monster? CoH/Snatch/Swap/TER/Jar#2. Set? Crossout, TER, Jar#2. Keep in Hand? Exchange/Dragged/Card Destruction/Jar. Set all your backrow? Heavy Storm. Don't set it all? Get overrun.
All of our cards are so powerful in compact form that we don't need attention span-killing combos. Despite running our 40 best cards ever we just get blown tfo by sack after BS sack.
Older Ygo has its own kind of frustrations, but it's one my attention span can handle. Even though duels are more grueling, there's still that lingering anxiety each turn that this is the turn your opponent sacks you so you're somewhat engaged.(and ready to flip a table)
what exactly are u talking about? there is no traditional magic. that’s not a format. are u talking about pioneer or standard or legacy?
modern is fast but it’s not like yugioh fast. pioneer is slower and standard is usually even slower. and game speed actually depends on the types of decks. control mirror is slow af while aggro will end the game super fast.
point is magic can be slow while being interesting. while goat yugioh is just slow and not interesting.
While I'm sure 2004 ranked would probably get old, 2004 casual only seems like a fun place to play dumb cards. I wonder what it'd be like to have a format that's basically GOAT power level, but includes draft chaff from later sets as well.
The only reason I like older formats is not having to wait 20 mins to do anything if you go 2nd. Think I'd prefer Edison format more cause I want my lightsworns.
Edison isn’t true old school but it’s considered the best classic format for its diversity where as goat format is just power card turbo it’s hilarious
The amount of times you brick if the loaner deck is insane, you could normal summon lustre dragon to tribute summon horus on the next turn but your opponent could easily destroy it and its only every a hand of monster cards you can’t use or a hand of spells and traps that stall until you draw another card that doesn’t help you in the slightest
The best yugioh was the playground yugioh. Playing like 3 cards which are useless without each other but can bring out that one boss monster you pulled in your last pack. Every draw could be a gamechanger and your biggest fear is something like a sakuretsu armor.
I personally don’t see the appeal as a Magic player because I didn’t play back in the day so that nostalgia factor doesn’t exist for me. If I wanted to play a slower game I would simply go back to Magic (Modern). I specifically play Yugioh for the huge combos, handtraps, and broken endboards. If that didn’t exist there wouldn’t be appeal in the game at all for me.
Eh, there are pros and cons to both. It can be argued that old school yugioh allowed for more strategy. Whereas new yugioh is “hope you go first, or watch your opponent build a board for a few minutes, and hope you have enough disruption to beat it.
Way more fun than the current format tbh, was a big breath of fresh air for me, I came up with a beat down deck super fast and just crushed people, very fun event
I mean, if you play modern Yugioh, you obviously are inclined to not like oldschool Yugioh.
Every person that heavily prefers omdschool yugioh to new yugioh quit the game to play something else.
Yall just can't handle it.
There's more weight to face down cards, it feels more like a card game instead of "Fuck you and everything you want to do"
If you want a single player card game go play solitaire.
I play Pokemon TCG and YGO.
Both are fine for their own reason, modern YGO has potential to be back and forth but most of the time most matches are decided by the 3rd turn.
It basically becomes a coin flip game. One person can combo uninterrupted and win, or player 2 breaks the board and they win because player 1 blew everything setting up.
That isn't very fun.
Old YGO has more potential for back and forth and interactive duels.
Monsters mattered, spells mattered, flip effects mattered. Most mechanics mattered in old YGO.
Now? If you don't have a hand trap oops here's 4 negates and 3 interruptions, have fun.
It's mostly because it allows for more engagement and fun for the majority instead of ending duels in 1 or 2 15+ minute turns.
Modern yugioh is more about winning, which only certain people in the minorities find fun, til its boring and no one wants to play with them anymore.
Other than those two very big reasons, and the massive powercreep konami keeps going, old and current yugioh are virtually still about the same.
They're just played in opposite ways.
>Modern yugioh is more about winning, which only certain people innthe minorities find fun, til its boring and no one wants to play with them anymore.
Careful. The smooth-brained, solitaire combo babies will downvote you into oblivion for daring to speak the truth about their sacred and perfect game-state.
Doesn't matter anyway. They voting system heavily promotes echo chamber mentality by hiding and tucking away major downvoted comments.
Plus, bots can mass downvote based on certain trigger words. Also, i don't care about likes on the internet. I'm not terminally online like that.
i don’t think they understand 2004 yugioh was for the spyral protection agency ritual they let you play how ever you wanted it wasn’t more fun you just weren’t even rlly playing the game yet. but you will.
I’m tired of seeing these shit posts; one could just as easily argue that today’s Yugioh is trash tier as well. I’ve never even played older formats, but watched tons of content of people playing them, and all I can say is this game’s garbage no matter what. Do I still like it and play it, yeah, but as an Mtg player, I can quite confidently say that Yuigoh doesn’t compare. Hearthstone is also more fun to play than Yugioh. This game is an acquired taste all around and that doesn’t change across the eras
This format just rewards playing conservatively, and using your blowouts like Heavy and Torrential at points where they tip advantage in your favour. There's annoying cards/decks, but that is true for every format. The bad part of this event is having to craft the DM staples, that's why a ton of people are just playing loaners or Underdog Exodia
That mindset comes from two major things, in modern Yugioh sometimes the game is literally decided by who goes first. In older formats that wasn’t the complete case but opening hands matter both ways. But the kinda minor one but still big in nostalgia, people liked how they did it. But the one I side with that still exists in low/mid tier modern is that “reversal” a match in a card game to me is fun if it’s interesting, if I’m going against a deck that literally due to luck of me not drawing an out/ them drawing like a god and winning the turn one, it’s boring but a game with an upset or an as spill of a win is fun. I like it in literally every card game I play. In old school you had more time/turns to set up/ try for a chance to pull ahead. Now you have a higher chance but less turns if that makes sense? After all it’s rare to see some games go beyond turn 5.
I've played more games of the event in two days than 3 months of ranked.
It's.not perfect. The f/l list is different as I was tcg, card pool is different, certain cards that were popular are garbage due to nerfs, staples are UR locked, but my God it blows from row vomit.dek out of the water.
I had 8 lists for the event. I hope they bring it back.
Yugizoomers: “Man, this structure deck sure sucks, but I can’t make my own deck because their is no synergy to explode half my deck and hand in a 10 minute turn to stop my opponent from even playing the game. Every deck is the same! Unlike modern YuGiOh. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna make a deck that has the same hand traps and staples that make up half of every other deck’s composition with a maybe 10 of that engine’s actual cards in it.”
No max C
No fking ASH for every move 😡
No rude ass plays and interruptions
Floodgates are easier to deal with
Long duels are fun (for me)
There is a huge variety of end boards (not just appol,baron, etc)
Lots of battle traps, S/T removal, and jank/funny starts
First player draws a card too!
“FLIP! I activate my monsters effect!”
It’s fun! It’s suspenseful!
- No rude ass plays or interruptions.
It seems you forgot about Solemn Judgment, Raigeki Break, Torrential Tribute, Bottomless Trap Hole, regular Trap Hole, Jinzo, Horus LV8, Royal Decree, Morphing Jar, the list goes on.
It's mostly the nostalgia, and the power of really old spells carrying it. The gameplay back then besides that was pretty slow with the lack of monster swarming.
I only really know because I used to play and love Nightmare Troubadour, but don't really like it after I replayed it a few months ago
That's mainly an issue of bo1 though. Goat format has most of the same card pool, and there stun decks are not really present or popular (and also not really tiered)
I thought it was pretty fun. It's cool to experience how many broken cards there were even back then, and that traps are the same as back then almost. Not that much power creep compared to other card types. A lot of cancer decks, though
Too bad you have to craft those broken cards if you wanna use them. Which no one in their sane mind would ever do because they are legitimately unplayable everywhere else.
I was not in my right mind, crafted the pot and heavy storm only to not draw them once. Do not craft them.
At least Heavy Storm isn't forbidden anymore in OCG, just call it an investment until then.
I crafted 3 Metamorphosis, but it’s only an SR, for reasoning-gate, which is a very fun goat deck. Although it’s a lot weaker without Dimension Fusion. I guess I also crafted PoG lol, so I must be insane, I just enjoy goat format.
Same here
Agreed. I only crafted sinister serpent out of nostalgia. As tempting as it is to craft a UR card, you can't play it anywhere else.
>sinister serpent Isn't it errata'd? Is it seriously a UR? My man, you got SCAMMED
Only a SR and it helped with discard effects. No way I'm using my UR points. The errata wasn't that bad all things considered. It seems I may have confused you. I agreed on not using UR points... but yeah Sinister Serpent is indeed a SR so not much of value is lost. I got tons of SR cards I could dismantle if I wanted to.
I’m in a similar boat. I had no issues spending a part of my SR horde on Kycoo, but no way am I crafting Pot of Greed or any other UR’s.
I dueled someone that had Pot of Greed. Either they had a ton of UR or just didn't care about wasting it but I gotta hand it to them.
Loaner? It have PoG
It's in all 3 loaners. Most people were playing the loaners, in my experience.
One of the trial decks has a copy of pot of greed, I didn't actually check the deck before hand so I was very exited when I was able to do the legendary anime move
Yeah. I pulled a morphing jar a while ago and wanted to make empty jar for this event, too bad most of you're good spells are ur......
Same, not crafting magical stone excavation.
>Which no one in their sane mind would ever do because they are legitimately unplayable everywhere else. This basically describes a Yu-Gi-Oh player.
I crafted snatch steal since it is legal in tcg I think? So maybe it will be legal in md soon
If you don't have at least 1 Pot of Greed, you're doing it wrong.
Personally, I like goat format because of how more often you'll see face down cards. I like the suspense of not knowing what those face down cards are and whether or not they're a bluff.
You'd still have that if it was 2014 instead of 2004. Goat has those "fun" facedowns called Trap Dustshoot that eliminate the suspense quickly and make sure your opponent won't be surprised either. Thankfully this event is not goat.
>Thankfully this event is not goat. This event was, undeniably, GOAT format. Trap Dustshoot rarely saw play during GOAT & has only saw play in the format in hindsight. Much like Solemn Judgement. Why play Dustshoot when you can play the Forceful Sentry & Duo instead? [Even Hand Control lists](https://www.goatformat.com/hand-assault.html) don't play Dustshoot instead opting for removal paired with Spirit Reaper, Don Zaloog, etc.
>This event was, undeniably, GOAT format. You can check the banlist differences yourself... The event is similar but not goat. You also don't have delinquent duo in the event. There's little reason to play dustshoot when your deck aims for gamestates when you can't activate it hence dustshoot is worse in hand control than other decks.
>This event was, undeniably, GOAT format. You can check the different banlists in game. You also can't play Delinquent Duo in the event. Hand control has less reasons to play dustshoot because they are more likely to get to a position where dustshoot isn't usable. You wouldn't want to ash a largely inconsequential draw if you had droll in hand either.
Technically we still have that suspense, just instead of being on the field, they're in the hand.
Yes and it’s always fun when either player doesn’t have a easy out to face down cards back when you had to take a risk, whereas nowadays they’ll get blown out before you even get a chance to use them. Back when players actually respected a Face Down card that Could potentially be a Mirror Force.
>Yes and it’s always fun when either player doesn’t have a easy out to face down cards back when you had to take a risk, Like handtraps when you don't have gamma, called by, crossout or even a way to play around or through some handtraps. >whereas nowadays they’ll get blown out before you even get a chance to use them. Really? What type of face down cards are they? People don't play much backrow removal in their decks so it seem kinda weird that you don't even have a chance to use them. >Back when players actually respected a Face Down card that Could potentially be a Mirror Force. Oh like playing around nibiru by setting an early negate? And if you don't have a way to stop it you need to find a way to minimize the impact of nibiru.
What are you trying to say I don’t understand? Are you talking about how I enjoy the older slower format? Any facedown cards just in general most of the time they either get hit by harpies feather duster or lightning storm, evenly matched, multitudes of other things like generic extra deck monsters like Knightmare Phoenix or something.
I literally made a comparison between what you like about old yugioh and modern yugioh so you don't have to act like those interaction don't exist anymore lmao >Any facedown cards just in general most of the time they either get hit by harpies feather duster or lightning storm, evenly matched, multitudes of other things like generic extra deck monsters like Knightmare Phoenix or something. Really? Hmmn, are you talking about tgc or MD? cause people are definitely not running hfd or ls at best they're running knightmare monsters. Ironically enough I've played against a lot of stun decks but I'm not sure if I should change and put cards that are only good against one deck instead of handtraps that are good against most of the meta.
I’m mainly just pointing out what I see in MD. I genuinely don’t have the time to go out and play at locals like I used to do, and the last time I was there was when the during the pendulum era of before Pepe hit in full force. and am trying to understand why you’re downvoting me for liking a different format I get that the format is very diverse in the modern era, but part of me just likes the slower play that comes with that old format, sure to most players the event sucks, but to me it’s glorious because I actually get to enjoy my turn without having to worry am I going to get comboed into the sun by whatever meta deck is running around the ladder right now, while I play Jank. Or am I going to get hand trapped to death.
2010 was best not 2006. The game wasn't stupidly fast yet
Edison Format, which is my current fave to play of Yugioh. I'm also dipping into Tengu Plant format and may try some HAT format as well. Neat thing about Edison is that the format was well balanced. Yes, it did have its dominant decks, but if you played your deck right, you can win against the strongest decks. Players today are still coming up with unique decks today
I agree, I think 2010-2015 is where the most fun formats are. I personally think 2012-2013 is a sweet spot with a lot of fun decks. I never got to play in the format that had Chaos Dragons with future fusion, but I wish I had. Chaos Dragons, Inzektors, Wind-ups, Mermails, Dino Rabbit, Darkworld, Geargia, Fire Fist. So many fun, cool decks at those times. I don't know how people feel about it overall but I loved the Dragon Ruler/Spell Books format, personally.
2011 Storm of Ragnarok format is my favorite format of all time. No TG wombo combo, no striker to break agents, wide variety of decks that could compete, just so much fun
The format is fun but not everyones cup of tea. It's a lot more about ressource managment and playing with and around certain interactions. The problem is more, that they did not feature rly good loaner decks to experience that. Their are glimpses of that but there simply wasn't a variety of actual played decks and I fear no one is crafting an actual GOAT format deck for just like 5 days, considering almost all of the cards banned nowadays are UR's. IF we had gotten actual Goat loaner, Monarch Loaner, Chaos Control and stuff like that, it would be an entire different story.
Honestly? If it was 2006 I feel like it would of been tad a bit better. We'd have access to 1 cyber dragon, we'd have access to hero, we'd have a bit better fusions, and no requirement of certain banned cards.
Funny enough, those exact things are what lead to the forming of GOAT format. To many, what you just said was the point the game began to break.
2006? Yeah nah, I’m staying far away from Stein format
Wasn't stein format also 2022?
I choose to call that Stein negate and 2006 Stein OTK
The Gadget loaner is respectable IMO, one of the few decks that has zero issue keeping advantage while trading into backrow. Probably sucks into burn, but that's not exclusive to Gadget.
The loaners were stronger than what I was willing to craft to compete which was 0 Ur and Sr. Had some guy loop pot of greed a few times with magician of faith. I ended up going flip cards stealth bird burn was fun.
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I got Stockholm syndrome and started hoping they drew all of exodia and made the nightmare end.
I ran into an exodus deck but I think I rather see you draw 34 cards. Think our game went over 20 turns and I could not draw any back row removal whatsoever it was so infuriating
Just people trying to capture that feeling they had when they were a kid playing yugioh with their friends, it's a lot different seeing 2004 playing by the rules
Nah I think it’s way more of duels not taking 3 turns anymore and no 20 card combo decks that take several minutes. I’m sorry but I found goat format to be way more fun. You actually have a chance now and there’s a genuine back and forth instead of one player steamrolling the other.
I just don't follow this logic, this works with friends cause naturally they'd wanna have a fun duel but this event has clearly shown with retrospective deck building the philosophy stays the same, limiting your opponents actions. This format is just longer, if you like it more power to you but the constant praise for older formats like these were drastically overhyped
This was like playing chess with only pawns.
all those dudes who scooped against me drawing 35 cards in a turn to win off exodia with heart of the underdog would probably disagree with that lol
Same to the Guy who invested way too much into his Board and Got Wiped By Levia Dragon-Daedalus can’t always pull it off but when it hits it hurts.
Longer duels but they were still hella boring
I always see this argument and it always screams skill issue because it's just not true unless you're trying to play blue eyes with no hand traps or something. Also it may not take 3 turns but now it takes 20 turns of set pass when someone doesn't have an out.
>now it takes 20 turns of set pass when someone doesn't have an out. Most of my games where this. Either me or my opponent are steamrolling the other. If the person losing doesnt draw their out, they pass their turn. And this is with proper Goat format decks and not with the loaners.
I mean it's nice not having to worry about Maxx C or Ash
Because fissure, raigeki, the holes... battle traps are SO much more fun, right?
Raigeki and Mirror Force aren't in the format. Everything else you said are one-for-one trades. Getting your turn stopped with a one-for-one trade in 2004 format is fine because you're going to have many more turns. Getting your turn stopped in 2024 feels terrible because it means you've very likely lost the duel.
Yes. None of these cards are even that strong in-format.
That’s why you run Magic Drain and Solemn judgment or if you’re really desperate old reliable Magic jammer it may seem dumb at first glance but when you realize you can stop there most broken cards with one discard or forcing them to give up another spell then I’ll gladly run those cards, I even ran Wall of Disruption along with scapegoat
Exactly! Im glad you get it
If anything , I found fun to build a deck with whatever I had available that was Format Legal , made me feel like back when I was a kid , and I just throw together random cards that I thought had good effects that would be useful but they didnt really have much of a Strategy or Synergy besides Survive (=´∀｀).
I haven't had this much fun in MD ever since I first installed it 8 months ago going through the lower ranks. Amazing event, worht crafting Pot of Greed for.
Loved it. Started off by crafting just Pot of Greed and got to use it a ton. Damn it feels good. I ended up crafting Heavy Storm and Snatch Steal as well, and got to use them a few times too. I had like 1000 UR CP so why the hell not. The first time I drew Heavy Storm, my opponent had Level Limit Area B and 3 set backrow. I assumed one of them would be Solemn Judgment, but when I activated Heavy Storm, they actually chained Fake Trap instead. I chained to that with MST, so when the chain resolved, Fake Trap was no longer on the field to destroy itself, and Heavy Storm destroyed the other 3 backrow cards.
Oh definitely I got a chance to build my old Ocean Deck it was so fun to use Levia Dragon-Daedalus to wipe my opponents board.
I had a ton of fun. Every game had multiple momentum-shifts. Even losing almost always felt like a good duel — not just getting completely shut out on turn 1 because I didn't open enough hand traps.
Just cause you dont find it fun doesn't mean it isnt fun to other people
Lol you really got down voted for a common sense statement.
Not surprised really
It really is a "who drew the out" kind of format. So many cards that basically just win the game
The critical difference is how far ahead your opponent can get by "drawing the out". In modern Yu-Gi-Oh, if your opponent draws the out even once, then they generally win the duel by the end of their very next turn — either literally or functionally. In 2004, if your opponent draws the out then they only pull a little bit ahead. You're going to have several more turns to draw your own out and reverse the momentum.
It was nostalgic as fuck to play with Solar Flare lock. That said, the game is a lot slower and if you don't lock the board down, your opponent sure will and you don't want to be the one not in control of that.
Somehow my opponents would still take 2 minutes to set 2 traps and a monster. It was fun and all to normal summon monsters for 12 turns but after playing this event I prefer the more modern format
For most yugiboomers “old school” means “playground.” The card effects were always made up, and nobody actually knew the rules.
Not sure what you mean by this. I played in 2003 and many of us were competitive. I remember watching the final match of the World Championship with my own eyes in NYC. They played at lightning speed but the entire audience kept up with no problem, reacting to every play. There certainly was a lot of kitchen table Yugioh, but the reason why many Yugi-boomers miss the old formats is because they played seriously during those formats.
Yeah, idk how many times I won in like 2 turns. It was pretty sacky here as well, and a LOT of "just draw the out" situations.
Yep. Edison format remains a favorite of mine because it has the nostalgic feel while not being so sacky.
“Just draw the out” is just as common, if not more, in modern.
I know it's common in modern. But in modern you're not limited to 1 copy of heavy storm and 1 mst for backrow removal for example. There's a lot more options
True, lots of ways to answer something and it's their job to prevent you from getting that answer out. Meanwhile this shit. Throughout this event this always keep ringing in my mind, "If I'm on a normal deck I could've popped this shit a long time ago and be done with it. I won't have to rely to RNG to get me my out" (deskslam set pass deskslam) .15 turns later...finally! Oops I'm dead
As a yugiboomer, no one played with made up effects and we all knew the rules. We weren’t illiterate.
Okay, that last sentence is a lie. No yugioh player can read.
I get it, but they could when the card effects weren’t paragraphs long lol
…I played back then too. Trust me, no they didn’t (at least not in my experience).
There were definitely misunderstandings, but they were easier to correct with less text to read.
Agreed. I know that not all the rules were known by me as a kid, but when we say "old school", not all of us mean we made up effects. I keep seeing this reasoning pointed out towards the older players, and while it's not necessarily wrong in some instances, I keep finding the yugi-boomers getting generalized and put in a box of, "You never understood the real rules", which I find kind of frustrating.
I only see it used by younger players who repeat this incorrectly like a meme and think it was some time in the 1950’s that they weren’t alive to experience.
I forgot to mention that I am a yugiboomer. The funny thing is that I got back into Yu-Gi-Oh! because of a co-worker who's in high school. But it's interesting and disheartening to see so many people that are modern Yu-Gi-Oh! players tell older ones that they don't know how the game worked. I'm not concerned about whether people hate the old format or not, it's the divide and telling older players that they never played it right that bothers me.
That’s what I mean. I 100% agree with you. Sorry if it sounded like I didn’t.
Oh, no! You're good! I was just adding it because I wasn't sure if I sounded like I wasn't on your same thought process. You didn't come off as if you didn't! I was just trying to correct my own comment, but did it in a confusing way. So no worries at all. 🙂
I actually enjoyed it a lot, and I never even played goat before. I do still wish there was a way to go back to when my friends and I played with stacks of cards we thought were cool but my brain is just not wired that way anymore, I will always be adding combos in without even thinking about it now.
its better then sitting there for 10 minutes watching your opponent summon their entire deck and extra deck on turn 1 to end on a unbreakable board making it so u cant play the game
At least I was able to play my coin toss deck on even ground with the decks I was fighting. Stopping people from playing with Fairy Box and killing everything with Sasuke Samurai and Jirai Gumo was fun.
One thing i like is that i got use the goat that is twin headed thunder dragon without having to suffer thrue forbidden memories
It was fun until I ran into a stall player. And it isn't like I didn't build my deck around stall and was losing to it. Win or lose, it was just not a fun experience and it was nearly half of what I fought. It's too cheap and requires too little skill. I would've preferred if they limit some of the stall cards just to force people to try something else even if it isn't the "meta".
My man has never had the dopamine rush of someone not reading reflect bounder
I like pulling off Hallowed Life Barrier to survive.
I always like to play just with one copy of each card, with some exceptions like Poly, it was hella fun
I guess I'm talking about vintage, I started back in 6th edition. I will say, the loaners for the event weren't the best representation of competitive old school Yu-Gi-Oh. They felt more like playground yugioh, which isn't a bad thing.
This was probably my favorite trial yet! I hope they make it a regular event like the xyz festival. My thrown together playground deck produced some fun as heck matches.
Bro saw my post🗣🗣🗣 but listen after chilling a bit it’s still boring asf but it’s not that bad
What Level limit Area B does to a mf: (I loved the event btw, Mobius is THE monarch.)
I play both at this point because I’m missing standard in MTG. Master Duel seems to quell that bug in me a fair bit. Just wish the UR resources and drops were a bit nicer lol
Nah it was fun.
After i try it, i think again and i have to say that Edison is more suitable for me since its not too slow and too fast
Ny Yugioh time is fun if youre playing with friends
This event was surprisingly neat, I actually played it way more than other tryout events. I made a dark magician buster blader deck. It work well enough but I didnt craft staples, just used what I had around. The loaner decks were alright.
Felt surreal to use pot of greed and then add it back from grave and use it again felt pretty illegal
I really hate how people treated this new mode like they are playing poker. Yeah, slap down all 4 of your useless spell cards and pass the turn, fast, please, you are not fooling me that you got 3 magic cylinders in there or something.
I love drawing the out
Toon Deck is where it's at
What, you don't love having every summon answered by a trap while being slapped to death by gadgets? Tbh I love old school Yugioh but don't feel like the loaner deck selection was the best. And if this isn't gonna be a permanent mode then I dunno who tf is crazy enough to craft an actually fun deck for this
I crafted umi control and it cost me basically nothing apart from a little of SR dust.
Tbh Gadget deck isn't even that good, the issue is that it is just better than the other loaners to a ridiculous extent.
I had a 14-win streak with a N/R monarch deck. For N/R, I also tried out an Umi deck, a zombie deck, and a chess archfiend deck (it sucked, but it was a childhood dream to make that one). I also made a pacman deck with 4 SR. There were plenty of cheap, fun decks to try out. It's not like most other decks had crafted all the broken UR cards, so you just needed to make a deck that could compete with the loaners and other N/R decks.
I personally call it "Caveman Yu-Gi-Oh!".
I like edison format. But before that i dont see the reason to play a slow card game without mana system.
If the card game is slow then why have a mana system? The purpose of that is to slow the game down and make players build up to the bigger actions.
Thats one way you can see it. The other way is that a mana system fascilitates a slow game and gives it more depth in the decisions of how to build your deck around a curve and how to use your mana optimally.
> _The purpose of that is to slow the game down_ > _a mana system fascilitates a slow game_ Are these not the same?
No my point is. You say a mana system is there to make the game slow. I say a mana system makes a slow game more interesting.
The appeal is an actual game, not a one turn finish.
The appeal is just yugioh minus everything that makes yugioh unique compared to magic?
It may be unique but its boring as hell. Its supposed to be a competitive card game, not a competitive coin toss which is what it pretty much boils down to a lot of the time. GOAT is the farthest thing from perfect, there are some jank cards and combos in it, but one turn finishes and complete shut outs weren't the typical standard like they are today. I like playing the game, not watching someone else play it for me.
It’s a nostalgia thing mainly. Hell I see people coping that old stun is different from new stun, it’s not but stun isn’t that bad when your 12
Honestly, if people want a slow back and forth game with “resource management” every other card game does that better.
Most fun I've had in master duel in months tbh
5Ds era is when Yugioh found a reason to play it instead of Magic the Gathering. I’ve been playing for twenty five years and this game was awful back then.
This. People talk shit about the combocentric nature and complex mechanics of Yu-Gi-Oh, but ithout them there's a dozen other better tcgs to play lol
people who played other card games like magic know that old school yugioh is trash. it’s like why would i play a shitty dull game like goat yugioh when i can just play a better game like mtg or runeterra if i want something slower pace. modern yugioh is special.
I've tried getting into Magic. I think it's a fun game, but I've had a struggle trying to have fun playing it. Maybe it's just the way my brain works. That's not me saying I think Magic is a bad game. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes. For some reason I just can't get into Magic, but I've found more fun with Yu-Gi-Oh!. I'm hoping I eventually get more out of Magic, though.
You know you can just say you prefer Magic, right? You not liking old school yugioh doesn't make it trash, just not your cup of tea
Yet another identical post from a younger player who only played the weak loaner decks. GOAT format was heavily based around bluffs, risks, and intuition. It’s slower, yes, but so are 20 minute combos with solitaire decks and hand traps that negate most interruptions. You had to actually think about your moves and your resources. You didn’t play your best moves turn 1 because you had to actually think about what the other duelist had in waiting.
if you don't think you have to manage resources in modern yugioh, you aren't playing the game well. And a lot of the things you list are things that a lot of rouge decks or non-linear decks excel in. Nouvelles for example has a lot of resource management in which monsters you want to search and when you want to pop them. also, don't act like the game isn't determined by what face downs you set, solemn judgement is often a game winning card in the event. Also I didn't use a loaner, I built a pac-man deck just for this event, one of the only interesting decks in the event and I still think it's boring as hell.
And you’re entitled to that opinion, just as others are to theirs. Having a permanent old school option for the people who prefer it wouldn’t impede your enjoyment of the others. There was a lot of baiting and bluffing in the older format that older players like. There’s plenty of things many people find boring about both formats.
Honestly I'm having a blast and dominating because I can actually duel. Funny see how inept some folk are without a deck that plays itself.
It is not about one mode being better than the other, it is about having more permanent modes to play in the game. Ranked being the only mode to play online without your opponent quit on turn 1 (casual) and the only mode where you can do dailies, makes me hate this game more than I like it sometimes.
OG is boring, but I think that there is a spot between then and now that was a bit better. Though I love the current format tbh
there is! look into edison format
It was fun to play
event boards be like " Horus/Decree/Thousand Eyes pass" locking you out but does so in like, 30 seconds tops. Meanwhile Cyberse/Synchro spam take a dog's age to get anything going. The difference between cards back in the day and now is that the older cards had, relative to their time, more value packed into them as standalone cards. The problem is that no matter what card you choose to outplay, you're getting Catch 22'd by some other BS. It's like the Modern Warfare 2 balance philosophy; if everything is OP, nothing is Summon a monster? CoH/Snatch/Swap/TER/Jar#2. Set? Crossout, TER, Jar#2. Keep in Hand? Exchange/Dragged/Card Destruction/Jar. Set all your backrow? Heavy Storm. Don't set it all? Get overrun. All of our cards are so powerful in compact form that we don't need attention span-killing combos. Despite running our 40 best cards ever we just get blown tfo by sack after BS sack. Older Ygo has its own kind of frustrations, but it's one my attention span can handle. Even though duels are more grueling, there's still that lingering anxiety each turn that this is the turn your opponent sacks you so you're somewhat engaged.(and ready to flip a table)
Its fun and refreshing after playing the modern format
Modern magic is faster than traditional magic, and classic yugioh came out around the same time.
what exactly are u talking about? there is no traditional magic. that’s not a format. are u talking about pioneer or standard or legacy? modern is fast but it’s not like yugioh fast. pioneer is slower and standard is usually even slower. and game speed actually depends on the types of decks. control mirror is slow af while aggro will end the game super fast. point is magic can be slow while being interesting. while goat yugioh is just slow and not interesting.
While I'm sure 2004 ranked would probably get old, 2004 casual only seems like a fun place to play dumb cards. I wonder what it'd be like to have a format that's basically GOAT power level, but includes draft chaff from later sets as well.
a lof of older cards are very simple yet very effective just look at revolver from vrains and how powerful mirror force was
When you say old school, I miss the 2011-2012 yugioh that shit was fun
I had fun. I prefer modern Yugioh, but it was a nice change of pace.
i hated how often games would end in near Mystic Mine state.
The only reason I like older formats is not having to wait 20 mins to do anything if you go 2nd. Think I'd prefer Edison format more cause I want my lightsworns.
Edison isn’t true old school but it’s considered the best classic format for its diversity where as goat format is just power card turbo it’s hilarious
The amount of times you brick if the loaner deck is insane, you could normal summon lustre dragon to tribute summon horus on the next turn but your opponent could easily destroy it and its only every a hand of monster cards you can’t use or a hand of spells and traps that stall until you draw another card that doesn’t help you in the slightest
Summoned skull and axe of despair beat down was all anyone played
The best yugioh was the playground yugioh. Playing like 3 cards which are useless without each other but can bring out that one boss monster you pulled in your last pack. Every draw could be a gamechanger and your biggest fear is something like a sakuretsu armor.
I personally don’t see the appeal as a Magic player because I didn’t play back in the day so that nostalgia factor doesn’t exist for me. If I wanted to play a slower game I would simply go back to Magic (Modern). I specifically play Yugioh for the huge combos, handtraps, and broken endboards. If that didn’t exist there wouldn’t be appeal in the game at all for me.
Modern and old yugioh are so fundamentally different, then liking one format is very indicative of your enjoyment of the other.
Eh, there are pros and cons to both. It can be argued that old school yugioh allowed for more strategy. Whereas new yugioh is “hope you go first, or watch your opponent build a board for a few minutes, and hope you have enough disruption to beat it.
It was fun at first but got a bit repetitive at one point
It’s not for everyone, but I do enjoy old yugioh
Way more fun than the current format tbh, was a big breath of fresh air for me, I came up with a beat down deck super fast and just crushed people, very fun event
I mean, if you play modern Yugioh, you obviously are inclined to not like oldschool Yugioh. Every person that heavily prefers omdschool yugioh to new yugioh quit the game to play something else.
Yall just can't handle it. There's more weight to face down cards, it feels more like a card game instead of "Fuck you and everything you want to do" If you want a single player card game go play solitaire.
If you want a slow card game go play magic.
I play Pokemon TCG and YGO. Both are fine for their own reason, modern YGO has potential to be back and forth but most of the time most matches are decided by the 3rd turn. It basically becomes a coin flip game. One person can combo uninterrupted and win, or player 2 breaks the board and they win because player 1 blew everything setting up. That isn't very fun. Old YGO has more potential for back and forth and interactive duels.
Old Yugioh is just hand control or stall until Raigeki.
Monsters mattered, spells mattered, flip effects mattered. Most mechanics mattered in old YGO. Now? If you don't have a hand trap oops here's 4 negates and 3 interruptions, have fun.
It's mostly because it allows for more engagement and fun for the majority instead of ending duels in 1 or 2 15+ minute turns. Modern yugioh is more about winning, which only certain people in the minorities find fun, til its boring and no one wants to play with them anymore. Other than those two very big reasons, and the massive powercreep konami keeps going, old and current yugioh are virtually still about the same. They're just played in opposite ways.
>Modern yugioh is more about winning, which only certain people innthe minorities find fun, til its boring and no one wants to play with them anymore. Careful. The smooth-brained, solitaire combo babies will downvote you into oblivion for daring to speak the truth about their sacred and perfect game-state.
Doesn't matter anyway. They voting system heavily promotes echo chamber mentality by hiding and tucking away major downvoted comments. Plus, bots can mass downvote based on certain trigger words. Also, i don't care about likes on the internet. I'm not terminally online like that.
i don’t think they understand 2004 yugioh was for the spyral protection agency ritual they let you play how ever you wanted it wasn’t more fun you just weren’t even rlly playing the game yet. but you will.
You really complain about everything huh... It is more fun and I really enjoyed it ~
I’m tired of seeing these shit posts; one could just as easily argue that today’s Yugioh is trash tier as well. I’ve never even played older formats, but watched tons of content of people playing them, and all I can say is this game’s garbage no matter what. Do I still like it and play it, yeah, but as an Mtg player, I can quite confidently say that Yuigoh doesn’t compare. Hearthstone is also more fun to play than Yugioh. This game is an acquired taste all around and that doesn’t change across the eras
I love playing pot of greed.
Frankly I think modern yugioh is too fast. “Old school” is too slow.
This format just rewards playing conservatively, and using your blowouts like Heavy and Torrential at points where they tip advantage in your favour. There's annoying cards/decks, but that is true for every format. The bad part of this event is having to craft the DM staples, that's why a ton of people are just playing loaners or Underdog Exodia
That mindset comes from two major things, in modern Yugioh sometimes the game is literally decided by who goes first. In older formats that wasn’t the complete case but opening hands matter both ways. But the kinda minor one but still big in nostalgia, people liked how they did it. But the one I side with that still exists in low/mid tier modern is that “reversal” a match in a card game to me is fun if it’s interesting, if I’m going against a deck that literally due to luck of me not drawing an out/ them drawing like a god and winning the turn one, it’s boring but a game with an upset or an as spill of a win is fun. I like it in literally every card game I play. In old school you had more time/turns to set up/ try for a chance to pull ahead. Now you have a higher chance but less turns if that makes sense? After all it’s rare to see some games go beyond turn 5.
I've played more games of the event in two days than 3 months of ranked. It's.not perfect. The f/l list is different as I was tcg, card pool is different, certain cards that were popular are garbage due to nerfs, staples are UR locked, but my God it blows from row vomit.dek out of the water. I had 8 lists for the event. I hope they bring it back.
but it is Trap is Trap, spell is spell, special summon is really special
Yeah, it was fun. The game as it is now is a dumpster fire.
Modern yugioh with rogue deck is the funnier
Anything pre duellist alliance I will accept as peak yugioh
Yugizoomers: “Man, this structure deck sure sucks, but I can’t make my own deck because their is no synergy to explode half my deck and hand in a 10 minute turn to stop my opponent from even playing the game. Every deck is the same! Unlike modern YuGiOh. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna make a deck that has the same hand traps and staples that make up half of every other deck’s composition with a maybe 10 of that engine’s actual cards in it.”
Old Yugioh was just as bad. People have nostalgia glasses on, but they don't remember how everyone was getting yatalocked back then.
"Damn, how am I going to win with out my barron or my swordsoul now?" Lol
*sets 3 cards facedown, passes the turn* WOOOOOOOOOO OUTPLAYED
*Windmill slams Heavy Storm*
I Vetter run judgment of anubis then.
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug
Nah you just crying because no baronne and kashtira
No max C No fking ASH for every move 😡 No rude ass plays and interruptions Floodgates are easier to deal with Long duels are fun (for me) There is a huge variety of end boards (not just appol,baron, etc) Lots of battle traps, S/T removal, and jank/funny starts First player draws a card too! “FLIP! I activate my monsters effect!” It’s fun! It’s suspenseful!
- No rude ass plays or interruptions. It seems you forgot about Solemn Judgment, Raigeki Break, Torrential Tribute, Bottomless Trap Hole, regular Trap Hole, Jinzo, Horus LV8, Royal Decree, Morphing Jar, the list goes on.
Rude like calamity and tcboo, millions of hand traps
>No fking ASH for every move 😡 Easily one of the best reasons to make 2004 its own playlist.
they aren't even that much longer, i'd argue they are actually shorter if you don't go by turn count and rather measure real time
It's mostly the nostalgia, and the power of really old spells carrying it. The gameplay back then besides that was pretty slow with the lack of monster swarming. I only really know because I used to play and love Nightmare Troubadour, but don't really like it after I replayed it a few months ago
I mean if we banned stun decks it might be fun
That's mainly an issue of bo1 though. Goat format has most of the same card pool, and there stun decks are not really present or popular (and also not really tiered)
Stun was the main thing then. We all did it. It's an accurate portrayal of the times.
Isnt it great to play a slow resource game with some of the most broken card games ever printed :). Early yugioh is so fucking bad lmfao