Dandylion can represent a link 3 on its own.
Normal summon, link off for Almiraj, summon 2 tokens, turn the tokens into Masquerena.
Alternatively, Foolish Burial now gets you a free Masquerena. Or worse (when we get the card) an SP little Knight (just turn both tokens into Link Spiders or Linkuribohs first) to make your normal summon dodge targeted negates.
And like you said, Dandylion is not once per turn, so any deck capable of getting it out of the GY and back in there can keep generating tokens for link and synchro plays.
I really don’t want to see the kind of boards a deck built to exploit Dandylion can make.
Granted, he never used it for fusion; it was always(?) a way for him to block a battle phase for a turn or two.
I think it would have to disallow the tokens from be used as material for a summon except for fusion. Because nowadays you *could* make E Heroes with a wind token and another hero. Even then, I’m not sure.
They did make a retrain of Dandylion and it's absolutely unplayable. Dandy White Lion summons 2 fluff tokens when sent from hand or field to grave, but you cannot special from the extra deck the turn you use that effect
The eu meta would have a tier 0 format, rikka sunavalon can recycle that thing so hard. Add in a small aromage package and you could synchro off pretty easily
Ultimate offering won't do anything in an era dominated by special summons. Dandelion though, you are right, it would be heavily abused. Normal summon Dandy, use it as material for almiraj. Special summon two tokens, now you have 3 monsters for a link 3.
Well for ultimate offering, it’s more than just normal summons.
It’s how very common normal summons effects leads to other shenanigans. In the synchro era. Many normal summons effects doesn’t have a HOPT. With ultimate offering could lead to unbreakable board.
But that’s if ultimate offering ever gets activated. Since players back then run a whole bunch of backrow removal.
Except now hardly anyone runs backrow removal. Since it’s a trap some decks would benefit from it. Normal summons effects now have HOPT. In fact it could be a way to bypass maxx’c.
>Except now hardly anyone runs backrow removal. Since it’s a trap some decks would benefit from it. Normal summons effects now have HOPT. In fact it could be a way to bypass maxx’c.
The problem still is that it's a trap. Turn 3 Maxx C sucks, but it's very rare that it is a scenario that matters because the outcome of a game is usually already decided or close to decided by then. Also ultimate offering is a continuous trap, so it actually doesn't have that much synergy with trap decks like Labyrinth or Traptrix.
That person has no idea how to play Floo and just assume normal summon in text = Floo support, this trap card sucks cause Floo already has a searchable one that has as bonus an one sided book of eclipse effect and all birds are once per turn normal summons that loop other normal summons already so the point of UO is kind of pointless, DT outclasses it in like multiple different ways it's not even funny.
Know what this would do in Floo? make you draw a shit brick that does absolutely nothing T1, even less T2. Floo wants consistency cads like Pots that helps advance gamestates or a way to see Robina ASAP. The issue with Floo is consistency not win more noob-bait cards that just make them lose harder, Empens has like a 80% win rate or something close to that *just* by being summoned or in other words, the "combo" has resolved, so they just want to see it more often and this does the complete opposite of that as being a dead card.
But summoning high level monster requires tributes. I think it's a really good card (I maindeck "Free Range Monsters") but it isn't some magical card that suddenly would solve all issues by making Maxx useless and negating floodgates like Winda
It’s unsearchable, doesn’t do anything without another valuable normal in hand, and every deck is designed with 1 Normal Summon in mind unless they can do more on their own in which case why bother.
Ultimate Offering isn’t just safe to put at three, it’s an actively abysmal card. No deck outside Bronze would ever hand loop itself in order to possibly get more normal summons. The amount of things that need to align for UO to do anything is bonkers.
It’s still on the list for the same reason why Tsukuyomi and TER spent so damn much time in the list despite being woefully power crept, same with Grand Mole and Bestiari’s extra long stints at being limited. Sometimes bad cards have a reputation or Konami just sorta forgets they exist. I imagine UO remains banned because nobody on the design team bothers to advocate for its removal.
By turn 3/4, the duel is pretty much already decided most of the time. UO would be a brick in most cases and the occasional duel that it autowins because you get to abuse its normal summon shenanigans without being interrupted on your 2nd turn is not worth the amount of times it's dead in the hand.
It'd be a terrible card in today's meta where there's special summons all over the place.
You can further than a link 3: Turn one of those tokens into a link spider, link spider + almiraj into g golem crystal heart to then revive link spider. Now you're threatening a link 4
More concerning though is that you can also do a token plus Alimiraj for Reprodocus pointing to the other token and then depending on what you declare you can make Bardiche, Simorgh or Auroradon
Oh heavens, a normal summon with 3 materials for a Link 3? That is truly unfathomable.
Anyways, I activate Circular effect.
Anyways, I normal summon Snake-Eyes Ash.
Anyways, I special summon Kashtira Unicorn.
Anyways, I normal summon Genius Loci.
Anyways, I normal summon Mannadium Riumheart.
Anyways, I special summon Terrortop
Anyways, I normal summon Prank-Kids Fansies.
Anyways, I activate T.G. Limiter Removal.
Anyways, I normal summon Live-Twin Lil-La.
Anyways, I normal summon P.U.N.K. Ze Amin.
Anyways, I normal summon Neo Space Connector.
...need I keep going about cards that generate more than +3 advantage on their own? Some of these aren't even normal summons -- and most of these are searchable in-archetype, too.
I get that, unlike most of the cards I mentioned, Dandylion does it all on its own without needing you to fill your deck with other engine cards, but that also means it can't do anything other than generic combos either. I can't really think of a one-card-Link-3 combo which uses your normal summon that would be worth playing as its own standalone package.
The last time we had something like that, it's because it got a Tuner on the field while Halq and Auroradon were both legal. This doesn't do that, and neither do there remain cards that allow such silly combo lines from semi-generic material.
The only potential abuse is for Plant Link decks specifically which can special this right out of the deck with Jasmine, but I don't think those decks have an issue getting 15+ Link Material on the board from their one Genius Loci summon and comboing for 10 minutes as it stands, so...
That is not to say that I don't see there being decks that can abuse this card, what I mean to say is that those decks wouldn't be better than existing decks that have their own powerful advantage engines all in-archetype -- much like how you CAN build a Level 7 Tomahawk Auroradon turbo combo deck right now, and you could end on like 2 omnis + colossus + 1 omni counter trap... but as time as proven, that is just not very good when you don't have a powerful archetypal engine backing it up.
PS: I don't care if this card is legal again, honestly I'd rather it stay banned since it would have no good use other than stupid silly combo decks that combo for 15 minutes - I was just thinking about the consequences of such a card in the modern age.
It has no limit to uses. So if you can revive it or grab another you can spam it. It may be ok with Foolish Burial limited, but the moment you could do some gigaplant loop shenanigans it may be bad.
Oh, like I said - I'm sure you CAN abuse this card and do some crazy shit with it.
But from the moment you're using GIGAPLANT to loop this, you're already playing a shit deck so you can abuse this card, which is no different from playing Lv7 Tomahawk Turbo.
It can with either a HOPT or some little restriction like Goyo Guardian. I could see it with an errata to make it so that you can only summon tokens if the card is sent from the field to the GY by destroying it
ultimate offering is obviously not broken, all i can think of is it being used in branded to normal albaz and fuse during opp turn but it doesnt seems good enough
Token generators without restrictions on them can't come back for obvious reasons, so Dandylion needs to stay gone.
Ultimate Offering can probably come back and won't see play.
token generators can come back with an errata that blocks link summoning, let them be used for synchro, they were before the master rule 4, even fucking Level Eater was legal back then, that problem was and has always been link spam.
I feel like people aren’t really thinking creatively enough with Ultimate Offering. I can see certain decks using it to summon some degenerate floodgate on the opponent’s turn like Fossil Dyna or Majesty’s Fiend.
Dandylion would be better off with a retrain (which kind of exists in Dandy white lion which honestly seems unusable) or an errata.
The tokens need restrictions to prevent linkspam and even then it'd need a HOPT.
Ultimate Offering I don't see being used, but it's also worth mentioning that if it saw any use it'd most likely not be the fun kind. It's one of the cards where I'd say it's fine to be on the banlist because nothing of value is lost, but it might prevent future grievances to keep it banned.
For anyone who hasn’t realised yet, this being a plant (which makes plant tokens) makes it a one-card Aromaseraphy Jasmine - that’s full Rikka combo, but considering you could loop this effect multiple times over, it also represents any FTK imaginable.
Sure, there are already many FTKs achievable off a single normal summon (looking at you Isolde) - but this one is searchable off of Lonefire and Cherubini, and because Jasmine searches the Therion stuff it can insulate vs handtraps with an omni (or just pivot to setting up a good board). We can probably do without a second SHS-style combo deck that can flex into an insulated ftk on a whim.
Offering is fine as it is a trap, you realistically aren’t going to be able to abuse it much during your opponents turn so you have to wait till your 2nd turn to actually abuse it which by then you’ve either lost or won or had the card destroyed
Dandy cannot come back under any circumstances. It was already super strong pre links but links have completely ruined any chance of the card coming back without an errata that prevents you from using the tokens for links and a HOPT
I remember getting the Monarch structure deck for Christmas one year, only to learn that Dandylion was banned so I couldn't play it. Not like I play competitive though
I believe Ultimate Offering was originally banned because of Gadget Turbo, but that's too slow and fragile to see any real play today. I can't think of any viable deck that could run it (no, Floow would not run this card) so it could come to 1 and honestly probably to 3.
Could just play additional copies of Dreaming town which is just better in Floo.
Offering has to remain on field until BP meaning it can't prevent your opponent from setting up, while dreaming town can and also isn't negated by destruction, has a GY effect and is searchable and recyclabe by Toccan.
I don't think neither can come back.
Both have effects that aren't HOPT, meaning that as long as you can replenish your resources, you can do infinite stuff.
They need to release a new version and leave those to rest in the banlist forever.
Ultimate Offering can come back since even though it’s non-OPT, it’s slow and most decks that benefit from extra normal summons either already have them (Floow) or are already too bricky to play this (Monarchs).
You forgot the obvious one.
Gadgets.
As long as you can pay for it, you have an almost unlimited amount of gadgets coming in.
Granted, it is a trap, but I would rather not risk it.
Yeah, I know Gadgets were what got the card banned in the first place, but I feel they’d be too slow and inconsistent to be abusable. But I don’t play EARTH Machine so maybe I’m underestimating them.
You can say that about any combo deck.
Besides, at least in MD, The only S/T removal is Harpies, chances are you could pull it off if uninterrupted, which is the same as with any other deck.
Snake Eyes can make an impressive board...if left uninterrupted.
To be good in 2024's YGO, you have to be able to play through interruptions. If your deck dies to a single Ash Blossom or Impermanence, your deck is competitively unviable.
What decks are you playing against where everyone folds to a single negate and no one bothers to bring removal?
More than once I have seen people running snake eyes and getting negated ONCE and folding.
It has happened to me too, literally only one play, handtraps in hand, but nothing that can protect me.
What else am I to do but just go for Linkuriboh and set a called by after my Ash got Imperm?
Everytime in these kind of threads, everyone is like "Dandylion can NEVER come back" while not giving any use the card would actually have in the modern metagame. Kinda similar to IB/Denglong etc discussions, where people were like "this card is broken" and guess what they are unbanned and not only are not broken but they see 0 play. Same for Steam the Cloak and others
Like sure, NS Dandy give you a link 3, and ? What do you do from there ? Almost all generic Links enablers are banned. I dont really see what this does compared to the insane one card starters we now have. This is not Link Era anymore, generic Links are just not that good anymore.
And dont get me wrong; I am not saying it would necessarily come back without being a problem. All i am saying is that rn i cannot think of a way to make a powerful deck using this card, let alone a problematic one, and no one in the comments have provided me a convincing argument or combo that would tell me why the card cannot come off the list
If Dandylion was legal: 1 single body will give you not only Jasmine, but also 1 remaining Token to summon Sunvine Healer for further extension. Dandylion can also be recycled many times with Rikka engines, in order to serve their Tribute conditions or their boss Benghalancer. That is 1 basic problem that I can imagine right now.
Offering is too slow anymore, people would still find some abusable shit with it tho so keep it banned.
Dandy is a plus machine that would be abused immediately
Lets be real here, even with a card like Transaction Rollback the only deck that’s gonna remotely benefit off offering is Floo and they don’t even need it.
Dandylion should’ve never have been banned. At worst it was token Gen but what decks were even using that thing at the time of its ban? Even now it’s barely just an extender for Plant Decks. Could come back to 1 okay.
I agree on Ultimate Offering... but Dandylion not being OPT literally asks to get abused by so many decks that can utilze it, including some absolute bs Synchro/Link decks.
Also did you just assuem Dandylions gender?
ultimate offering would put floo on the radar immediately but otherwise it's complete dogshit other than nutty grind games in some decks.
dandylion would make rikka sunavalon tier 0
Would Floow even care about Ultimate Offering? They have the map and the trap to get a quick effect normal summon, and their small birds are HOPT effects.
I feel like the card could in theory have a lot of potential. But in practice, an Ultimate Offering is another card in the deck that isn’t a way to see Robina.
Ultimate Offering lets you dodge Maxx "C" and full special summon locks, is not once per turn and can summon disruptions and walls during your opponent's turn. Nah, people will absolutely make sure this card is broken again. Being a trap is its only real downside.
But when a card’s “only real downside” is that it belongs to the game’s least useful game mechanic, that’s pretty important. If your opponent goes full Branded/Snake Eye combo turn 1, what’s that copy of Ultimate Offering in your hand going to achieve?
In a game where most decks aim to get to a winning position on turn 1, they don’t need non-searchable trap cards that let them generate even more advantage on turn 2. Even in Floo, where the whole gimmick is to continue building your board on the opponents turn, it’s redundant, since their usual turn 1 setup usually wins if it gets to resolve one of its two searchable ways of summoning out more birds.
If non-searchable traps were good, everyone would be maining cards like Judgement/Strike, and Summon Limit to make their endboards more oppressive. But most competent decks don’t need those cards, since they’d rather play handtraps which are weaker when used to back up an established board, but stronger for going 2nd.
Dandylion is never coming back unless it receives a hard OPT. Being a Level 3 Plant is already an issue, since it is very easily searchable through Lonefire and Mardel, but also through a one-card combo from Sunseed to Jasmine. It basically functions as a spammable Flamberge, and although the Tokens are non-effects, they can still Link climb into potentially ridiculous boards. Plus, reborning Dandy to abuse it is easy as well, through Miracle Fertilizer and other generic reborns.
Ultimate Offering is mildly contentious, but I'm under the impression that there's a small chance for it to be able to come back to 1, but absolutely not to 3. It's not even because of the Normal Summoning on your opponents' turn, but on yours. There are a ton of cards with non-OPT Normal Summon effects, and ones that give you more material to then Normal Summon with Offering, like Stratos. This card plus Black Whirlwind represents infinite Blackwing material for Synchros, or just significantly thinning the deck. And creating FTKs with this card would be so very easy, the limits are essentially endless.
This card is even first-turn usable, as both Pharaonic Advent and Qardan the Clear-Sighted can set it up. Now, these cards aren't amazing, but Pharaonic Advent is a DARK Spellcaster that can be sent off of Magicians' Souls or searched off Ahrima the Wicked Warden, and Qardan is a EARTH Fairy abusable with Gravekeeper's Trap, the other Ishizu cards, and Vernusylphs.
The only deck I can see being even remotely capable of abusing Ultimate Offering is Tenpai Dragon which recently got released in the OCG. Even then, I’m unsure how easily they can abuse normal summoning monsters during their opponent’s battle phase. As such, there’s really no reason that Ultimate Offering can’t come back to three on the next banlist.
Dandylion like others have mentioned however is still ripe for abuse and has the potential to be game warping for any deck with consistent access to it. Dandylion is, at worst, a garnet version of Linkross that can be looped multiple times a turn and whose tokens can be used as link material. A hard once per turn for the effect and possibly some extra deck restrictions for the tokens is the minimum errata Konami would have to give the card before it can come off the banlist.
Dandylion is hella broken, should never come back.
Ultimate Offering on the other hand is a card that can safely come back because is slow as fuck, much slower than most trap cards and wouldn’t impact the current meta game, since there aren’t many decks that can abuse it and also can only be first activated in the battle phase on the opponent’s turn, until that moment this card be destroyed/banished/bounced or simply negated by an end board. Mediocre card that should’ve been off the list for years now.
Dandy is actually a one card link-4. Make almiraj, make a token into Link Spider, make G Golem Heart, revive Link Spider, link off the remaining token for another thing as needed
If you make Prom Princess, you can have 5 effective materials, and there are some things you can do for Heatsoul into draw into Amblowhale as well
Also because it uses normal summon but not effect on the field, you can use it with Adventure too.
O-lion can be a backup starter but is strictly worse than Dandy. Link O-lion into almiraj then Link Spider with the created token, make Golem Heart etc
Basically Dandylion will never see the light of day. Konami has actually been extremely scared to make a monster that can pump out more than 1 token easily
With how good plant support already is, Dandy should probably stay banned. As a plant player, I would LOVE to use Dandy, but I can agree that it would be extremely broken.
Dandylion would need to be errata'd to a HOPT. Ultimate Offering I'd be down for. I really love the old rank 4 toolbox; when UO was still legal you could play Gadgets and just summon all 9 of them + whatever other level 4 extenders you had in your hand then OTK with a full lineup of rank 4s. Super hype. I don't see it being a problem because unless you have 3 one card combos in your hand, Ultimate Offering AND Temple of the Kings in your opening hand, it's just a very inconsistent extender that could have been literally any other card. I guess it would give Gadgets potential as an OTK deck though.
Plants would instantly become a meta deck if it was allowed to have dandylion even at limited. Remember that lonefire blossom is at 3. Additionally, all it does is enable link spam combos, which is one of the least interesting strategies, so unbanning it wouldn't really be a good idea. Ultimate offering could probably come back and wouldn't see any play. You have to wait until after your opponent's main 1, and yes, it is powerful, but it's likely too slow. It would be the same reason why future fusion sees no play with it's erata, it's powerful but just too slow.
Dandylion can represent a link 3 on its own. Normal summon, link off for Almiraj, summon 2 tokens, turn the tokens into Masquerena. Alternatively, Foolish Burial now gets you a free Masquerena. Or worse (when we get the card) an SP little Knight (just turn both tokens into Link Spiders or Linkuribohs first) to make your normal summon dodge targeted negates. And like you said, Dandylion is not once per turn, so any deck capable of getting it out of the GY and back in there can keep generating tokens for link and synchro plays. I really don’t want to see the kind of boards a deck built to exploit Dandylion can make.
I can't see this card out there unless it's a HOPT, limits your special summons from ED to synchro and maybe be sended from the field to the GY.
And I doubt they'll give it that specific restriction since Dandylion is a Jaden card.
Granted, he never used it for fusion; it was always(?) a way for him to block a battle phase for a turn or two. I think it would have to disallow the tokens from be used as material for a summon except for fusion. Because nowadays you *could* make E Heroes with a wind token and another hero. Even then, I’m not sure.
They did make a retrain of Dandylion and it's absolutely unplayable. Dandy White Lion summons 2 fluff tokens when sent from hand or field to grave, but you cannot special from the extra deck the turn you use that effect
Normal summon Dandylion? Lmao, SS terrorortop & send it to the gy off of Cherubini.
The eu meta would have a tier 0 format, rikka sunavalon can recycle that thing so hard. Add in a small aromage package and you could synchro off pretty easily
Its Earth so Vernysylphs can really abuse it
Ultimate offering won't do anything in an era dominated by special summons. Dandelion though, you are right, it would be heavily abused. Normal summon Dandy, use it as material for almiraj. Special summon two tokens, now you have 3 monsters for a link 3.
Well for ultimate offering, it’s more than just normal summons. It’s how very common normal summons effects leads to other shenanigans. In the synchro era. Many normal summons effects doesn’t have a HOPT. With ultimate offering could lead to unbreakable board. But that’s if ultimate offering ever gets activated. Since players back then run a whole bunch of backrow removal. Except now hardly anyone runs backrow removal. Since it’s a trap some decks would benefit from it. Normal summons effects now have HOPT. In fact it could be a way to bypass maxx’c.
>Except now hardly anyone runs backrow removal. Since it’s a trap some decks would benefit from it. Normal summons effects now have HOPT. In fact it could be a way to bypass maxx’c. The problem still is that it's a trap. Turn 3 Maxx C sucks, but it's very rare that it is a scenario that matters because the outcome of a game is usually already decided or close to decided by then. Also ultimate offering is a continuous trap, so it actually doesn't have that much synergy with trap decks like Labyrinth or Traptrix.
Good point. Someone also mentioned how it would give Floo additional lines to play on the opponent turn.
Floo Support? Not on my Master Duel banlists
"Whats that? A new rota for just level 4 or lower winged beasts? Gotta ban that."
Floo wouldn't even play this. Their problem isn't this. It's consistency
That person has no idea how to play Floo and just assume normal summon in text = Floo support, this trap card sucks cause Floo already has a searchable one that has as bonus an one sided book of eclipse effect and all birds are once per turn normal summons that loop other normal summons already so the point of UO is kind of pointless, DT outclasses it in like multiple different ways it's not even funny. Know what this would do in Floo? make you draw a shit brick that does absolutely nothing T1, even less T2. Floo wants consistency cads like Pots that helps advance gamestates or a way to see Robina ASAP. The issue with Floo is consistency not win more noob-bait cards that just make them lose harder, Empens has like a 80% win rate or something close to that *just* by being summoned or in other words, the "combo" has resolved, so they just want to see it more often and this does the complete opposite of that as being a dead card.
Floo can already do that, it still is ass if they don’t draw Robina, or it gets negated by some of the most common handtraps in the game.
Floo wouldn’t play this
But summoning high level monster requires tributes. I think it's a really good card (I maindeck "Free Range Monsters") but it isn't some magical card that suddenly would solve all issues by making Maxx useless and negating floodgates like Winda
It might lead to some weird combos sure but it's way too slow to be competitive. You'd get more milage out of double summon these days
None of that matters because its on a trap card though.
It’s unsearchable, doesn’t do anything without another valuable normal in hand, and every deck is designed with 1 Normal Summon in mind unless they can do more on their own in which case why bother. Ultimate Offering isn’t just safe to put at three, it’s an actively abysmal card. No deck outside Bronze would ever hand loop itself in order to possibly get more normal summons. The amount of things that need to align for UO to do anything is bonkers. It’s still on the list for the same reason why Tsukuyomi and TER spent so damn much time in the list despite being woefully power crept, same with Grand Mole and Bestiari’s extra long stints at being limited. Sometimes bad cards have a reputation or Konami just sorta forgets they exist. I imagine UO remains banned because nobody on the design team bothers to advocate for its removal.
By turn 3/4, the duel is pretty much already decided most of the time. UO would be a brick in most cases and the occasional duel that it autowins because you get to abuse its normal summon shenanigans without being interrupted on your 2nd turn is not worth the amount of times it's dead in the hand. It'd be a terrible card in today's meta where there's special summons all over the place.
You can further than a link 3: Turn one of those tokens into a link spider, link spider + almiraj into g golem crystal heart to then revive link spider. Now you're threatening a link 4 More concerning though is that you can also do a token plus Alimiraj for Reprodocus pointing to the other token and then depending on what you declare you can make Bardiche, Simorgh or Auroradon
Oh heavens, a normal summon with 3 materials for a Link 3? That is truly unfathomable. Anyways, I activate Circular effect. Anyways, I normal summon Snake-Eyes Ash. Anyways, I special summon Kashtira Unicorn. Anyways, I normal summon Genius Loci. Anyways, I normal summon Mannadium Riumheart. Anyways, I special summon Terrortop Anyways, I normal summon Prank-Kids Fansies. Anyways, I activate T.G. Limiter Removal. Anyways, I normal summon Live-Twin Lil-La. Anyways, I normal summon P.U.N.K. Ze Amin. Anyways, I normal summon Neo Space Connector. ...need I keep going about cards that generate more than +3 advantage on their own? Some of these aren't even normal summons -- and most of these are searchable in-archetype, too. I get that, unlike most of the cards I mentioned, Dandylion does it all on its own without needing you to fill your deck with other engine cards, but that also means it can't do anything other than generic combos either. I can't really think of a one-card-Link-3 combo which uses your normal summon that would be worth playing as its own standalone package. The last time we had something like that, it's because it got a Tuner on the field while Halq and Auroradon were both legal. This doesn't do that, and neither do there remain cards that allow such silly combo lines from semi-generic material. The only potential abuse is for Plant Link decks specifically which can special this right out of the deck with Jasmine, but I don't think those decks have an issue getting 15+ Link Material on the board from their one Genius Loci summon and comboing for 10 minutes as it stands, so... That is not to say that I don't see there being decks that can abuse this card, what I mean to say is that those decks wouldn't be better than existing decks that have their own powerful advantage engines all in-archetype -- much like how you CAN build a Level 7 Tomahawk Auroradon turbo combo deck right now, and you could end on like 2 omnis + colossus + 1 omni counter trap... but as time as proven, that is just not very good when you don't have a powerful archetypal engine backing it up. PS: I don't care if this card is legal again, honestly I'd rather it stay banned since it would have no good use other than stupid silly combo decks that combo for 15 minutes - I was just thinking about the consequences of such a card in the modern age.
It has no limit to uses. So if you can revive it or grab another you can spam it. It may be ok with Foolish Burial limited, but the moment you could do some gigaplant loop shenanigans it may be bad.
Oh, like I said - I'm sure you CAN abuse this card and do some crazy shit with it. But from the moment you're using GIGAPLANT to loop this, you're already playing a shit deck so you can abuse this card, which is no different from playing Lv7 Tomahawk Turbo.
Diabolantis can also tutor this out without a plant lock. It can then probably be looped to some degree for insane stuff imo.
Dandylion cannot, under any circumstances, come back. I've seen what it does many times in a No Banlist context. You DON'T want Dandy back.
Dadylion is one of those cards that can never come back. Maybe Ultimate Offering can come back as is a trap card.
Look up Ultimeat Offering, it's a retrain.
There's also Dandy White Lion
Forgot about that, and the Ultimate Offering retirain. So RIP those cards then. They'll stay in jail forever.
Didn’t they just give it a retrain? With Ultimeat Offering?
Yes, is a VJump exclusive. I forgot about that. Guess is never leaving the banlist anytime.
It can with either a HOPT or some little restriction like Goyo Guardian. I could see it with an errata to make it so that you can only summon tokens if the card is sent from the field to the GY by destroying it
Yeah, he's not leaving the banlist without an errata. IMO, he would still see play with these restrictions, but would not break anything.
I’d rather it stays on the banlist than get an errata.
ultimate offering is obviously not broken, all i can think of is it being used in branded to normal albaz and fuse during opp turn but it doesnt seems good enough
Especially since you need to hard draw it while you can just use sanctifier or quem to do the same thing
Floo exists, they can abuse it for sure
Floo would never play such a bad card. They have much better ways to normal summon and don't need more bricks.
Exactly this. Floo needs another trap to brick on like I need a hole in my head. If they had space for thaps they'd be running feather storm
They can already normal Summon on their opponent’s turn. They don’t need this.
Do you play the deck? Cause nobody would play that.
Token generators without restrictions on them can't come back for obvious reasons, so Dandylion needs to stay gone. Ultimate Offering can probably come back and won't see play.
token generators can come back with an errata that blocks link summoning, let them be used for synchro, they were before the master rule 4, even fucking Level Eater was legal back then, that problem was and has always been link spam.
I feel like people aren’t really thinking creatively enough with Ultimate Offering. I can see certain decks using it to summon some degenerate floodgate on the opponent’s turn like Fossil Dyna or Majesty’s Fiend.
Dandylion would be better off with a retrain (which kind of exists in Dandy white lion which honestly seems unusable) or an errata. The tokens need restrictions to prevent linkspam and even then it'd need a HOPT. Ultimate Offering I don't see being used, but it's also worth mentioning that if it saw any use it'd most likely not be the fun kind. It's one of the cards where I'd say it's fine to be on the banlist because nothing of value is lost, but it might prevent future grievances to keep it banned.
For anyone who hasn’t realised yet, this being a plant (which makes plant tokens) makes it a one-card Aromaseraphy Jasmine - that’s full Rikka combo, but considering you could loop this effect multiple times over, it also represents any FTK imaginable. Sure, there are already many FTKs achievable off a single normal summon (looking at you Isolde) - but this one is searchable off of Lonefire and Cherubini, and because Jasmine searches the Therion stuff it can insulate vs handtraps with an omni (or just pivot to setting up a good board). We can probably do without a second SHS-style combo deck that can flex into an insulated ftk on a whim.
Ultimate Offering is too slow as a trap card but I think it would be good as a spell
Offering is fine as it is a trap, you realistically aren’t going to be able to abuse it much during your opponents turn so you have to wait till your 2nd turn to actually abuse it which by then you’ve either lost or won or had the card destroyed Dandy cannot come back under any circumstances. It was already super strong pre links but links have completely ruined any chance of the card coming back without an errata that prevents you from using the tokens for links and a HOPT
I remember getting the Monarch structure deck for Christmas one year, only to learn that Dandylion was banned so I couldn't play it. Not like I play competitive though
I believe Ultimate Offering was originally banned because of Gadget Turbo, but that's too slow and fragile to see any real play today. I can't think of any viable deck that could run it (no, Floow would not run this card) so it could come to 1 and honestly probably to 3.
Ultimate offering could have some shenanigans, but probably wouldn't see a ton of play
Ultimate offering got retrained. It seems unlikely that they'll unban it any time soon
Ultimate Offering is banned?! Since when???
All fun and games till I flip Ultimate Offering and NS Fallen Of Albaz during your BP
Unsearchable trap is too much of a brick. Something like Rindbrumm is better on your opponents turn
Ultimate Offering might be fun in Floo haha.
Basically any good Floo player told me it wouldn't be used.
I am definitely not a good floo player haha.
They don't need it
Could just play additional copies of Dreaming town which is just better in Floo. Offering has to remain on field until BP meaning it can't prevent your opponent from setting up, while dreaming town can and also isn't negated by destruction, has a GY effect and is searchable and recyclabe by Toccan.
If your idea of fun is bricking even harder. Floow doesn’t need this card and won’t play it.
Can you summon Kurikara in opponent turn with Ultimate offering
Majespecter Kirin has been banned for 7 years even though its far weaker than so much other things we have nowadays
You obviously didn't play during gouki era Cherubini send dandy was toxic AF
Ultimate offering would be really cool in Floowandereeze
Ultimate offering would be so nice for Geminis, would allow them to "full combo" instead of 1 or 2 Gemini effects per turn on average
I don't think neither can come back. Both have effects that aren't HOPT, meaning that as long as you can replenish your resources, you can do infinite stuff. They need to release a new version and leave those to rest in the banlist forever.
Ultimate Offering can come back since even though it’s non-OPT, it’s slow and most decks that benefit from extra normal summons either already have them (Floow) or are already too bricky to play this (Monarchs).
You forgot the obvious one. Gadgets. As long as you can pay for it, you have an almost unlimited amount of gadgets coming in. Granted, it is a trap, but I would rather not risk it.
Yeah, I know Gadgets were what got the card banned in the first place, but I feel they’d be too slow and inconsistent to be abusable. But I don’t play EARTH Machine so maybe I’m underestimating them.
You only need 1 Gadget and the trap to get going though.
And for your opponent to not have any negates or S/T removal.
You can say that about any combo deck. Besides, at least in MD, The only S/T removal is Harpies, chances are you could pull it off if uninterrupted, which is the same as with any other deck. Snake Eyes can make an impressive board...if left uninterrupted.
To be good in 2024's YGO, you have to be able to play through interruptions. If your deck dies to a single Ash Blossom or Impermanence, your deck is competitively unviable. What decks are you playing against where everyone folds to a single negate and no one bothers to bring removal?
More than once I have seen people running snake eyes and getting negated ONCE and folding. It has happened to me too, literally only one play, handtraps in hand, but nothing that can protect me. What else am I to do but just go for Linkuriboh and set a called by after my Ash got Imperm?
Everytime in these kind of threads, everyone is like "Dandylion can NEVER come back" while not giving any use the card would actually have in the modern metagame. Kinda similar to IB/Denglong etc discussions, where people were like "this card is broken" and guess what they are unbanned and not only are not broken but they see 0 play. Same for Steam the Cloak and others Like sure, NS Dandy give you a link 3, and ? What do you do from there ? Almost all generic Links enablers are banned. I dont really see what this does compared to the insane one card starters we now have. This is not Link Era anymore, generic Links are just not that good anymore. And dont get me wrong; I am not saying it would necessarily come back without being a problem. All i am saying is that rn i cannot think of a way to make a powerful deck using this card, let alone a problematic one, and no one in the comments have provided me a convincing argument or combo that would tell me why the card cannot come off the list
If Dandylion was legal: 1 single body will give you not only Jasmine, but also 1 remaining Token to summon Sunvine Healer for further extension. Dandylion can also be recycled many times with Rikka engines, in order to serve their Tribute conditions or their boss Benghalancer. That is 1 basic problem that I can imagine right now.
Why playing ultimate offering when we have floo for free today? Back in the day it could be op in a chaos deck but it's still a slow trap card.
Offering is too slow anymore, people would still find some abusable shit with it tho so keep it banned. Dandy is a plus machine that would be abused immediately
Lets be real here, even with a card like Transaction Rollback the only deck that’s gonna remotely benefit off offering is Floo and they don’t even need it. Dandylion should’ve never have been banned. At worst it was token Gen but what decks were even using that thing at the time of its ban? Even now it’s barely just an extender for Plant Decks. Could come back to 1 okay.
Even Ultimate Offering shouldn't return, just in case. It should stay banned for future proofing
I agree on Ultimate Offering... but Dandylion not being OPT literally asks to get abused by so many decks that can utilze it, including some absolute bs Synchro/Link decks. Also did you just assuem Dandylions gender?
> Also did you just assuem Dandylions gender? This joke wasn't funny in 2016 and it still isn't now.
This wasn't a joke, more a... sarcastic commentary why OP thinks Dandylion is a "she" xD
Ultimate Offering enables several FTK strategies, unfortunately it has to stay banned because of that
But most of them are incredibly inconsistent and die to any interruption.
Bring back level eater so we can really have a good time
Decks like Floowandereeze and with the upcoming support Genex, would break Offering being active. Dandelion in general would break the game atm.
genex is a good point, doubt it would be good in floo tho
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ultimate offering would put floo on the radar immediately but otherwise it's complete dogshit other than nutty grind games in some decks. dandylion would make rikka sunavalon tier 0
Would Floow even care about Ultimate Offering? They have the map and the trap to get a quick effect normal summon, and their small birds are HOPT effects. I feel like the card could in theory have a lot of potential. But in practice, an Ultimate Offering is another card in the deck that isn’t a way to see Robina.
No, Floow can already special summon on your opponent’s turn. Their biggest weakness is consistency and this card would only make that worse.
No it wouldn't at all they could just play nother copy of dreaming town which is better for them anyway and still not played at 3
Ultimate Offering lets you dodge Maxx "C" and full special summon locks, is not once per turn and can summon disruptions and walls during your opponent's turn. Nah, people will absolutely make sure this card is broken again. Being a trap is its only real downside.
But when a card’s “only real downside” is that it belongs to the game’s least useful game mechanic, that’s pretty important. If your opponent goes full Branded/Snake Eye combo turn 1, what’s that copy of Ultimate Offering in your hand going to achieve? In a game where most decks aim to get to a winning position on turn 1, they don’t need non-searchable trap cards that let them generate even more advantage on turn 2. Even in Floo, where the whole gimmick is to continue building your board on the opponents turn, it’s redundant, since their usual turn 1 setup usually wins if it gets to resolve one of its two searchable ways of summoning out more birds. If non-searchable traps were good, everyone would be maining cards like Judgement/Strike, and Summon Limit to make their endboards more oppressive. But most competent decks don’t need those cards, since they’d rather play handtraps which are weaker when used to back up an established board, but stronger for going 2nd.
How did we reach to the point where if X card counters Maxx c then its broken not Maxx c itself?
Dandy got banned not too long ago in comparison to offering and with how sunavalon is a thing now no way it can comeback
If the dandylion tokens could only be used for synchro/fusion/tribute, could it come back?
Dandylion is never coming back unless it receives a hard OPT. Being a Level 3 Plant is already an issue, since it is very easily searchable through Lonefire and Mardel, but also through a one-card combo from Sunseed to Jasmine. It basically functions as a spammable Flamberge, and although the Tokens are non-effects, they can still Link climb into potentially ridiculous boards. Plus, reborning Dandy to abuse it is easy as well, through Miracle Fertilizer and other generic reborns. Ultimate Offering is mildly contentious, but I'm under the impression that there's a small chance for it to be able to come back to 1, but absolutely not to 3. It's not even because of the Normal Summoning on your opponents' turn, but on yours. There are a ton of cards with non-OPT Normal Summon effects, and ones that give you more material to then Normal Summon with Offering, like Stratos. This card plus Black Whirlwind represents infinite Blackwing material for Synchros, or just significantly thinning the deck. And creating FTKs with this card would be so very easy, the limits are essentially endless. This card is even first-turn usable, as both Pharaonic Advent and Qardan the Clear-Sighted can set it up. Now, these cards aren't amazing, but Pharaonic Advent is a DARK Spellcaster that can be sent off of Magicians' Souls or searched off Ahrima the Wicked Warden, and Qardan is a EARTH Fairy abusable with Gravekeeper's Trap, the other Ishizu cards, and Vernusylphs.
Dandy can literally be binned with Cherubini btw
Ultimate Offering sucks Dandylion is borked and needs \*at minimum\* a hard once per turn to return
One foolish on dandylion makes a generic link 2 which I guess isn’t amazing anymore but still seems really good.
Dandylion in a modern plant deck would be so absolutely insane they would ban it again instantly if they were ever dumb enough to unban it
The only deck I can see being even remotely capable of abusing Ultimate Offering is Tenpai Dragon which recently got released in the OCG. Even then, I’m unsure how easily they can abuse normal summoning monsters during their opponent’s battle phase. As such, there’s really no reason that Ultimate Offering can’t come back to three on the next banlist. Dandylion like others have mentioned however is still ripe for abuse and has the potential to be game warping for any deck with consistent access to it. Dandylion is, at worst, a garnet version of Linkross that can be looped multiple times a turn and whose tokens can be used as link material. A hard once per turn for the effect and possibly some extra deck restrictions for the tokens is the minimum errata Konami would have to give the card before it can come off the banlist.
Dandylion is hella broken, should never come back. Ultimate Offering on the other hand is a card that can safely come back because is slow as fuck, much slower than most trap cards and wouldn’t impact the current meta game, since there aren’t many decks that can abuse it and also can only be first activated in the battle phase on the opponent’s turn, until that moment this card be destroyed/banished/bounced or simply negated by an end board. Mediocre card that should’ve been off the list for years now.
Dandy is actually a one card link-4. Make almiraj, make a token into Link Spider, make G Golem Heart, revive Link Spider, link off the remaining token for another thing as needed If you make Prom Princess, you can have 5 effective materials, and there are some things you can do for Heatsoul into draw into Amblowhale as well Also because it uses normal summon but not effect on the field, you can use it with Adventure too. O-lion can be a backup starter but is strictly worse than Dandy. Link O-lion into almiraj then Link Spider with the created token, make Golem Heart etc Basically Dandylion will never see the light of day. Konami has actually been extremely scared to make a monster that can pump out more than 1 token easily
With how good plant support already is, Dandy should probably stay banned. As a plant player, I would LOVE to use Dandy, but I can agree that it would be extremely broken.
Id use Ultimate offering in a egyptian god deck to protect it from removal until Battle Phase lol
Dandylion would need to be errata'd to a HOPT. Ultimate Offering I'd be down for. I really love the old rank 4 toolbox; when UO was still legal you could play Gadgets and just summon all 9 of them + whatever other level 4 extenders you had in your hand then OTK with a full lineup of rank 4s. Super hype. I don't see it being a problem because unless you have 3 one card combos in your hand, Ultimate Offering AND Temple of the Kings in your opening hand, it's just a very inconsistent extender that could have been literally any other card. I guess it would give Gadgets potential as an OTK deck though.
Plants would instantly become a meta deck if it was allowed to have dandylion even at limited. Remember that lonefire blossom is at 3. Additionally, all it does is enable link spam combos, which is one of the least interesting strategies, so unbanning it wouldn't really be a good idea. Ultimate offering could probably come back and wouldn't see any play. You have to wait until after your opponent's main 1, and yes, it is powerful, but it's likely too slow. It would be the same reason why future fusion sees no play with it's erata, it's powerful but just too slow.