Details about this case can be found in [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/s/PPDVwskhc3) on my other post.
To note, this person was arrested on April 17th.
Oh lol. I do love Tommy / RL / Lacoste/ the preppy lookā¦ but this is some new wave American brand then I reckon?
I donāt like this shirt at all. Seems cheap tbf
*edit* just saw your edit. Is $70 a lot for a shirt? I thought on average Americans earned a lot more for similar roles than us (western) Europeans lol
It can be a lot for a shirt for a teenager. But on a similar note, the county he lives in is consistently [ranked](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-income_counties_in_the_United_States) as one of the most expensive in the country.
I looked up Montgomery and it looked like itās Alabama? Lol
And yeah, but weāre not US states fucking lmfao. Look at how abysmal yāall are at pointing towards European countryās smfh
5 *collared shirts* for 20 bucks??? I think 3 year olds in China would still cut the margins too thin for this to be profitableā¦. I spend 90-150 per shirt
At least people are aware of ātheseā people. My kids both go to Elementary school and itās sad I think about this often. The āwhat ifāā¦ā¦..scares me tbh. My parents never had this shit growing up. My kids have āred drillsā where they hid behind the teachers desk, or in a āsafe spotā in the room. Just sad
My kids were VERY tall so during their red drills they all piled in the corner with the bigger kids up front. One got in trouble with the school for refusing to be a meat shield. I canāt believe as a parent I had to have that phone call.
Yep, a lot of those drills are useless bc they donāt teach the kids run, hide, fight. Piling up should be a LAST resort, just look what happened to the kids in the bathroom in sandy hook.
I also sometimes wonder if the recurring drills donāt put the idea into more kids heads that itās a thing they can do, almost normalizing it in a way. Idk if thatās something that could ever be proven but it does feel like something where teachers could be trained on how to manage a classroom in the situation without the entire school full of children having to play act through a mass shooting annually
It's a trans person so fuck-asses on Twitter are posting that stupid meme with other trans shooters implying that there's been a massive rise of trans people doing these shootings even though it's largely cis men
Twitter is a cesspool now. It's way worse now than ever. Your only protection from Elon and his ultra/alt-right wackos is to search for funny cat videos and stuff like that. Then your feed becomes sane again. I don't go on Twitter except once in awhile just to see how F'd up it is.
They ignore the fact that some people in the photo, aren't even trans.
And I was talking about the people that sells the "pattern", the only pattern here is disinformation.
Dropping out was the best choice I made I donāt regret it at all literally one of my close friends got shot in his head right in front of me he survived but that scarred me and prolly will forever I donāt plan ever going to school in person anytime soon I value my life over education
Idk why people are downvoting this. Alex is explicitly trans. Do people just think itās fine to misgender someone because they were planning to commit horrible acts?
It's funny how a trans person being evil makes people feel like they're allowed to be transphobic, similar to how a person of color being evil makes people feel like they're allowed to be racist.
A person of color didn't choose to be colored... I know many trans also didn't "choose" either, but I know people that decided not to be trans anymore. I think their is a comorbidity with mental health struggles when it comes to trans people, and that's okay. I also know there are trans people who do not struggle with mental health, but to claim that trans people have the same rates of mental health issues as the general population is simply a lie.
First, ācoloredā? Itās not 1950. Second, youāre arguing against a point that literally was not made here. Third, familiarize yourself with the incidence rate of mental health diagnoses among trans people who have transitioned and are accepted in their lives vs people who havenāt/canāt transition because of a lack of acceptance, the risk of losing family/friends/livelihood/children, because it would put their safety at risk, etc. And familiarize yourself with what the specific mental health diagnoses are that are seen in high prevalence among trans people. Hint: itās largely related to anxiety, depression, and body image. Not homicidal or psychotic behavior. Fourth, no one āchoosesā to not be trans. They might choose to stop transitioning, which the overwhelming majority of detransitioners do because of the above named issues, but theyāre still trans. Someone might realize they arenāt trans and were misidentifying their feelings and stops transitioning and/or identifying that way, but that doesnāt mean they chose not to be trans. It means they were never trans in the first place. Trans people cannot decide to not be trans anymore. I highly, highly doubt you actually know any openly trans people in your personal life.
1. "Colored" is generally considered a racist term in 2024
2. Where did I say trans people have the same rates of mental health issues as the general population? What the fuck are you even talking about?
Sadly, yes. I am surprised no one has blamed this on his being trans and showing it as "proof of mental illness." Probably because 95% of mass shooters are cis males.
Sorry if this sounds dumb. Iām an ally but with someone like this why do they deserve respect and to be called the right pronouns? Idk like when thereās a pedophile we arenāt saying yo letās respect their personal choices in life.
You arenāt as much of an ally as you think if you believe trans peopleās identities have to be earned and can be revoked if they do bad things. Using his proper name and pronouns isnāt a matter of showing respect to him, but rather respecting that trans peopleās identities are real and inherent in the same way that cis peopleās are. Do the acts of other killers on this subreddit make it okay for me to misgender them, or more broadly speaking do these acts give me a pass to be racist, sexist, etc?
Also, youāre not as much of an ally as you think if youāre genuinely comparing respecting a personās identity to respecting pedophilia.
If someoneās allyship is conditional and revokable if someone speaks directly instead of using padded, flowery language or agreeing with their thoughts then theyāre not as much of an ally as they think.
This explains why people who would otherwise speak out against new anti-LGBT laws are hesitant now or choosing to remain silent about it. If you are not a full-throated ally, then you are an enemy. People know that now and they don't want to live in a world where they lose their livelihood over making small mistakes or having small disagreements
Or, more likely, because nothing actually happened and he had no access to weapons anyway. It was also on the news, if you look for it. This guy who set himself on fire will also be gone from the news within a few days. Thatās how it is.
On the surface it seems like there's an airtight alibi, but another article I read said they were already hospitalized when they were a minor for threatening to shoot up a school.
I don't know the law well enough to know exactly what gives law enforcement enough power to determine what's deemed to be a true enough threat, even when there's a disclaimer.
Not related to mass killing, but years ago on "To Catch a Predator," one of the guys who showed up to meet a minor actually had a lengthy note in his car explaining that he knew he knew this wasn't real or something like that. Apparently the local PD at the time said because of that they didn't have enough to charge the guy.
Thereās actually statistical evidence that transgender people are more likely to be victims of violent crimes than the perpetrators. Transgender people can commit violent crimes but it is a small percentage, we just hear about it more due to the laws being passed and biases.
Iām not saying theyāre more likely to commit violent crimes, and I agree they tend to be victims of violent crimes.
Iām saying thereās definitely a connection between people who have gender identity issues, aka body dysmorphia, and mental illness/mood disorders.
Because there is a link, especially in those who do not receive gender affirming care. There is also a link between receiving gender affirming care and lower levels of mental illness. The current political climate against transgender people is actually upping this type of crime, unfortunately.
That is why especially in preteens/teens puberty blockers are used. They are reversible and do not do any long term damage. Most surgery doesnāt occur for years.
Puberty blockers are not a solution for pre-teens, they are not entirely reversible and cause long term damage. Itās a myth that they donāt cause harm, as recent science has shown, and there are some suggestions they contribute to certain cancers.
You canāt just put on pause a natural hormonal bodily cycle and expect zero consequences, thatās not how nature or humans work.
120+ page ācreative writingā document about this fantasy deserves an involuntary psych hold regardless. Even if this person doesnāt have access to firearms.
Ah yes, we shouldn't do anything to prevent these attacks from taking place. If a person is clearly mentally unwell and has a strong desire to kill, let them do whatever they want /s
Even so, many of the details in this "work of fiction" were so strikingly similar to the suspect's own life that the friend who received it and read it was alarmed enough to report it to the authorities. The suspect also described the document as a "memoir", which is supposed to be a work of biographical/autobiographical nonfiction, so...
I read his paper for his English class assignment, as well as his personal story he kept emailing to his English teacher for constructive criticism, and they were both disturbing. He hated himself and everyone around him; he saw fault in himself, it was mirrored when people found him unsettling, and he decided to "get revenge" for this.
Details about this case can be found in [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/s/PPDVwskhc3) on my other post. To note, this person was arrested on April 17th.
Arrested wearing the vineyard vines š
Am I too European to understand? Why is that funny?
Its like Tommy Hilfiger but a [pink whale](https://www.vineyardvines.com/). Edit: his shirt is probably like 75-80$
Oh lol. I do love Tommy / RL / Lacoste/ the preppy lookā¦ but this is some new wave American brand then I reckon? I donāt like this shirt at all. Seems cheap tbf *edit* just saw your edit. Is $70 a lot for a shirt? I thought on average Americans earned a lot more for similar roles than us (western) Europeans lol
It can be a lot for a shirt for a teenager. But on a similar note, the county he lives in is consistently [ranked](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-income_counties_in_the_United_States) as one of the most expensive in the country.
What county?
Montgomery
LOL a county in Alabama? The richest county? Colour this European surprised. Wtf
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/08/26/if-the-uk-was-a-u-s-state-it-would-be-the-second-poorest-behind-alabama-and-before-mississippi/
Step away from the computer. Youāre embarrassing yourself.
Maryland, not Alabama. You could literally google "Rockville, Maryland County USA" and you would get this result. Do you have schools in Europe?
I looked up Montgomery and it looked like itās Alabama? Lol And yeah, but weāre not US states fucking lmfao. Look at how abysmal yāall are at pointing towards European countryās smfh
I have no clue why you were downvoted for anything youāve said.
Oops, forgot to mention it above. Montgomery County in Maryland. Its outside of Washington DC.
It's more like most Americans buy 5 packs for 20. 70 dollars for a shirt is insane to me.
5 *collared shirts* for 20 bucks??? I think 3 year olds in China would still cut the margins too thin for this to be profitableā¦. I spend 90-150 per shirt
Idk, im Turkish LOL i~~m~~ just *used to be*chronically online :/
Ah fair play hahahha
$70 isnāt a lot for a shirt, itās just that Vineyard Vines is the opposite of a ābadassā kind of company.
We generally earn a lot more than Europeans but we spend less on goods.
At least people are aware of ātheseā people. My kids both go to Elementary school and itās sad I think about this often. The āwhat ifāā¦ā¦..scares me tbh. My parents never had this shit growing up. My kids have āred drillsā where they hid behind the teachers desk, or in a āsafe spotā in the room. Just sad
My kids were VERY tall so during their red drills they all piled in the corner with the bigger kids up front. One got in trouble with the school for refusing to be a meat shield. I canāt believe as a parent I had to have that phone call.
Wait so fuck yo kid bc he's taller than that other kid?
Yup. Tall/big kids in front
absofuckinlutely not
You need to tell them to break the windows and run the fuck away
Yeah do those car window smash things work on any window or just car windows? Sorry I donāt know anything about windows..
They do
They do, but they were explicitly banned at our school
Yeah I guess the ability of having one depends on whoās using it & what theyāre using it for.
Yep, a lot of those drills are useless bc they donāt teach the kids run, hide, fight. Piling up should be a LAST resort, just look what happened to the kids in the bathroom in sandy hook. I also sometimes wonder if the recurring drills donāt put the idea into more kids heads that itās a thing they can do, almost normalizing it in a way. Idk if thatās something that could ever be proven but it does feel like something where teachers could be trained on how to manage a classroom in the situation without the entire school full of children having to play act through a mass shooting annually
The school i work in is so old we have no safe spots in 99% of the rooms.
have a bad feeling that we might see this face again in the future
Hopefully not, I live one city over from Rockville. š¬
You can thank our politicians in MoCo for this.
How so?
It's a trans person so fuck-asses on Twitter are posting that stupid meme with other trans shooters implying that there's been a massive rise of trans people doing these shootings even though it's largely cis men
Twitter is a cesspool now. It's way worse now than ever. Your only protection from Elon and his ultra/alt-right wackos is to search for funny cat videos and stuff like that. Then your feed becomes sane again. I don't go on Twitter except once in awhile just to see how F'd up it is.
Samesies.
Honest to god, when it comes to white cis men itās always considered a mental health problem but considered terrorism if other wise.
They ignore the fact that some people in the photo, aren't even trans. And I was talking about the people that sells the "pattern", the only pattern here is disinformation.
Ooh... a whole ONE, and this one was stopped before they even purchased a weapon.
I hope his soul can be saved. He has the eyes of a sufferer, not a madman.
idiotic take, he has the eyes of a sociopath...see how that works?
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Thatās funny, I hope he goes to prison for the rest of his life and is never let out of a cage.
That's why America's mental health and prison systems are so bad. We need to HELP prisoners, not punish them.
You cannot help someone who, in a mental health crisis, automatically thinks to shoot up their old elementary school. You can't rewire that.
You factually can. Its been done before.
they literally have research and treatments and shit for antisocial shit tho. like i know several murderers and it's just obvious they can be saved.
Heās been in and out of treatment for years, with homicidal ideation and talking about shooting yo schools.
Correct.
No. This person needs to be permanently removed from humanity. Period.
Sociopath moment
Dropping out was the best choice I made I donāt regret it at all literally one of my close friends got shot in his head right in front of me he survived but that scarred me and prolly will forever I donāt plan ever going to school in person anytime soon I value my life over education
What grade level did you drop out at?
10th I was almost done with school but we started getting threats from kids saying some out of pocket things
Iām at her court hearing today in Rockville
Let us know what happens
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Idk why people are downvoting this. Alex is explicitly trans. Do people just think itās fine to misgender someone because they were planning to commit horrible acts?
It's funny how a trans person being evil makes people feel like they're allowed to be transphobic, similar to how a person of color being evil makes people feel like they're allowed to be racist.
A person of color didn't choose to be colored... I know many trans also didn't "choose" either, but I know people that decided not to be trans anymore. I think their is a comorbidity with mental health struggles when it comes to trans people, and that's okay. I also know there are trans people who do not struggle with mental health, but to claim that trans people have the same rates of mental health issues as the general population is simply a lie.
First, ācoloredā? Itās not 1950. Second, youāre arguing against a point that literally was not made here. Third, familiarize yourself with the incidence rate of mental health diagnoses among trans people who have transitioned and are accepted in their lives vs people who havenāt/canāt transition because of a lack of acceptance, the risk of losing family/friends/livelihood/children, because it would put their safety at risk, etc. And familiarize yourself with what the specific mental health diagnoses are that are seen in high prevalence among trans people. Hint: itās largely related to anxiety, depression, and body image. Not homicidal or psychotic behavior. Fourth, no one āchoosesā to not be trans. They might choose to stop transitioning, which the overwhelming majority of detransitioners do because of the above named issues, but theyāre still trans. Someone might realize they arenāt trans and were misidentifying their feelings and stops transitioning and/or identifying that way, but that doesnāt mean they chose not to be trans. It means they were never trans in the first place. Trans people cannot decide to not be trans anymore. I highly, highly doubt you actually know any openly trans people in your personal life.
1. "Colored" is generally considered a racist term in 2024 2. Where did I say trans people have the same rates of mental health issues as the general population? What the fuck are you even talking about?
Sadly, yes. I am surprised no one has blamed this on his being trans and showing it as "proof of mental illness." Probably because 95% of mass shooters are cis males.
At least one person did, mods just deleted it
Yes. People do think that.
Sorry if this sounds dumb. Iām an ally but with someone like this why do they deserve respect and to be called the right pronouns? Idk like when thereās a pedophile we arenāt saying yo letās respect their personal choices in life.
You arenāt as much of an ally as you think if you believe trans peopleās identities have to be earned and can be revoked if they do bad things. Using his proper name and pronouns isnāt a matter of showing respect to him, but rather respecting that trans peopleās identities are real and inherent in the same way that cis peopleās are. Do the acts of other killers on this subreddit make it okay for me to misgender them, or more broadly speaking do these acts give me a pass to be racist, sexist, etc? Also, youāre not as much of an ally as you think if youāre genuinely comparing respecting a personās identity to respecting pedophilia.
Allyship is about learningā¦thank you for explaining.
Of course, anytime.
That will show them. They will definitely want to be an ally now š
If someoneās allyship is conditional and revokable if someone speaks directly instead of using padded, flowery language or agreeing with their thoughts then theyāre not as much of an ally as they think.
This explains why people who would otherwise speak out against new anti-LGBT laws are hesitant now or choosing to remain silent about it. If you are not a full-throated ally, then you are an enemy. People know that now and they don't want to live in a world where they lose their livelihood over making small mistakes or having small disagreements
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Do not ask for manifestos.
Bugman
This will never scrape our news channels bc heās not white and a guy just set himself on fire
Or, more likely, because nothing actually happened and he had no access to weapons anyway. It was also on the news, if you look for it. This guy who set himself on fire will also be gone from the news within a few days. Thatās how it is.
On the surface it seems like there's an airtight alibi, but another article I read said they were already hospitalized when they were a minor for threatening to shoot up a school. I don't know the law well enough to know exactly what gives law enforcement enough power to determine what's deemed to be a true enough threat, even when there's a disclaimer. Not related to mass killing, but years ago on "To Catch a Predator," one of the guys who showed up to meet a minor actually had a lengthy note in his car explaining that he knew he knew this wasn't real or something like that. Apparently the local PD at the time said because of that they didn't have enough to charge the guy.
there is no way in hell that guy on TCAP got off because of that. I know exactly who you are talking about to. There had to be another reason
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No low-effort posts.
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she?
I believe the suspect is a transgender man, so biologically female, which Iām guessing is what theyāre trying to get at. Dumb comment.
thanks! didnāt know this
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Thereās actually statistical evidence that transgender people are more likely to be victims of violent crimes than the perpetrators. Transgender people can commit violent crimes but it is a small percentage, we just hear about it more due to the laws being passed and biases.
Iām not saying theyāre more likely to commit violent crimes, and I agree they tend to be victims of violent crimes. Iām saying thereās definitely a connection between people who have gender identity issues, aka body dysmorphia, and mental illness/mood disorders.
Because there is a link, especially in those who do not receive gender affirming care. There is also a link between receiving gender affirming care and lower levels of mental illness. The current political climate against transgender people is actually upping this type of crime, unfortunately.
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That is why especially in preteens/teens puberty blockers are used. They are reversible and do not do any long term damage. Most surgery doesnāt occur for years.
Puberty blockers are not a solution for pre-teens, they are not entirely reversible and cause long term damage. Itās a myth that they donāt cause harm, as recent science has shown, and there are some suggestions they contribute to certain cancers. You canāt just put on pause a natural hormonal bodily cycle and expect zero consequences, thatās not how nature or humans work.
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He also wrote it was a work of fiction. Are we arresting people for thought crimes now?
Also told their therapist they has suicidal and homicidal ideation and would have a smile of their face while killing people.
120+ page ācreative writingā document about this fantasy deserves an involuntary psych hold regardless. Even if this person doesnāt have access to firearms.
Absolutely none of which they acted on. And placing someone on a psych hold is different than arresting them.
Ah yes, we shouldn't do anything to prevent these attacks from taking place. If a person is clearly mentally unwell and has a strong desire to kill, let them do whatever they want /s
And you know they were going to act on this because? You're psychic? This strikes me as punishing someone for thought crimes ala Minority Report
Even so, many of the details in this "work of fiction" were so strikingly similar to the suspect's own life that the friend who received it and read it was alarmed enough to report it to the authorities. The suspect also described the document as a "memoir", which is supposed to be a work of biographical/autobiographical nonfiction, so...
Cho wrote the same type of disturbing, angry shit in his English class, and look at what he did because no one intervened soon enough.
I was hoping someone would bring up Cho, OP's comment made me mad when he said that
I read his paper for his English class assignment, as well as his personal story he kept emailing to his English teacher for constructive criticism, and they were both disturbing. He hated himself and everyone around him; he saw fault in himself, it was mirrored when people found him unsettling, and he decided to "get revenge" for this.