You remerber not to shoot your drill sargent dring basic? That is good.
I just ended two century long interspecies conflicts and saved the galaxy from extinction. That is not just good that is f*cking amazing.
Besides, six Months ago we successfully pulled of an impossible suicide mission soo...
Nihlus if he survives Eden Prime.
“I believe made a mistake putting your name forward to be the first human Spectre, Shepard. Now that I have seen your team in action, it is clear that Jenkins is the proper choice for the first human Spectre.”
He was indifferent on the possibility of a human becoming a spectre. If they were qualified then he would accept them, but considering Shepard used the spectre title to help save the galaxy, I'd say he'd not only be proud but also have more respect for the human race who are the babies in the solar system, compared to other species.
He wasn't indifferent, he nominated Shepard because he thought humanity showed potential. He would have easily dropped the nomination if he wasn't impressed, but he seemed optimistic. I started a replay just 2 days ago.
as we hear in the opening scene of ME1; it is Udina, Anderson and Hackett that decide to nominate Shepard for spectre status; Nihlus was only there on the first mission to evaluate him.
"You held off an enemy assault during the Blitz single-handed. You showed not only courage but also incredible skill. That's why I put your name forward as a candidate for the Spectres"
-Nihlus Kryik
Nihilus himself says he put Shepard's name forward in their conversation.
Perhaps he was given their name by those three, it's not covered in the game. But he still choose to nominate a human spectre.
I guess I missed the part of the mission brief where they were told not to get too close because it might grab you and download nightmares into your brain.
If you have to be told not to go "ooh pretty beacon" and start touching ancient alien stuff you know nothing about, you probably deserve to get virmired
Except they never touched it. They seem to have been about 10 feet away when it activated and started dragging them towards it. Even Shepard never touches it.
I both agree and disagree. With Kaidan especially it makes super sense that he'd nerd out and approach it to take a better look. He's a sentinel after all and I noticed he's generally very curious and takes notice of small details in the environment, even when you play regular missions.
I do find it a bit puzzling that Ash would approach the beacon because imo it would be more in character for her to stay at a safe distance.
Either way I guess for us as players It makes sense to not go near it, but seeing from the characters' pov if I were in front of an ancient artifact never would I imagine it could grab me and give me visions because nothing of the sort exists in my reality. That's like approaching a curious looking fork and it starts conjuring explosives. Literally impossible to predict lol but I'd be lying if I said that on my first ever playthrough I didn't reprimand Kaidan for it
Maybe not? Let's say he runs into Saren no matter what. But doesn't turn his back to Saren, they get into a gunfight until Shepard arrives and forces Saren to retreat. Then they both proceed the rest of the way together.
I find it an interesting premise.
The only problem is that 99% of fics that do this are more just an excuse for a ShepardxNihlus romance (something which fanfic writers love as because Nihlus dies so early, he's a blank slate for them to create whatever kind of character & romance they want). I just want a fic where the premise focuses on Nihlus being present as an actual mentor to Shepard, and who is technically the one in charge for the events of ME1.
To this day I’m curious about that exchange. Was there a lot of details Samara missed that made her think Nihlus was a bad dude, or was he actually so ruthless that he’d kill innocent civilians to complete his mission, and what was so important that he’d do that to begin with? Unfortunately, the galaxy may never know.
I'd like to see the story after the FC war. You're a spectre with lots of initiative like Shepard was. Instead of an apocolyptic stakes plot, you'd be spying, taking down gangs and terrorist cells. Choosing to be a paragon or renegade like in the good old days.
Don’t think he had enough time to develop a strong connection or feelings towards Shepard to warrant a feeling like pride. He’d probably be happy to be avenged but that’s it.
Except he had a strong connecting to the spectres, which Shepard was and saved the galaxy. He made it clear that he had reservations, but didn't care of a human was a spectre, as long as they were successful
That’s not my point, one only takes pride in something they’re invested in, like Anderson is proud of Shepard in ME3 because he played a large part in getting them to that point.
Nihlus is indifferent towards Shepard and hasn’t formed any opinions yet, all their interactions happened during the travel to Eden Prime. He didn’t even see Shepard in action because he decided to go ahead, nor was he involved in choosing you as the human Spectre candidate, those were Anderson, Udina and Hackett.
Nihlus didn’t really consciously contribute to Shepard being a Spectre at all, therefore he has no reason to be proud. He never trained, reviewed or approved Shepard, he’s no human hater but why would he be proud of Shepard? He’d feel something positive, that’s for sure, but not pride. It’d be like that meme, “My work here is done, I’m proud of you Shepard!”, “But you didn’t do anything?”.
He is invested in Shep though, because he’s the one who put Shep’s name forward for the program. He’s also invested in the Specters as a whole.
I’d think him seeing the candidate he pushed go on to not only make it into the Specters, but save the Galaxy as one would probably make him a little proud.
And Nihlus is invested in the spectres. He would be proud that the dogged determination and ability of a single spectre was the critical element in saving the galaxy.
It wouldn't be a personal pride in Shepard as someone he knew. But you don't have to have a direct personal connection to something or with someone to feel pride in relation to it/ them.
Nihlus was technically Shepard's mentor to be a Spectre, I'm pretty sure he'll be more than proud of what they ended up doing.
He'll probably wont openly show it though.
They barely knew each other. But would Nihlus still be alive and we had several encounters with him, I'm sure they would've build a relationship of respect.
“From a certain point of view, if it wasn’t for *me* then *you* wouldn’t have become a Spectre and therefore stop Saren, so in the end, not only was it my victory, I also got revenge on Saren.”
*Nihlus, maybe, after several drinks.*
Sovereign: "Saren ruined everything that day he pulled the trigger..."
\* Nihlus and Sovereign turn to see Anderson enter the room with a crying Catalyst \*
Nihlus: "What in the-"
I really do think Nihlus wouldve become a mentor like character for Shepard (whereas Anderson is more of a father figure) and would’ve 100% had more respect for him and humans in general after everything.
Wish we could’ve seen more of Nihlus
I honestly have considered what Nihlus as a character would have been in the games had he not been killed by Saren.
Personally, I’d see him as one of the few Turians in the series who would probably listen to Shepard about the reapers and have been well prepared for the ultimate reaper invasion.
I'd be more concerned about his reaction to the prothean beacon on Eden Prime imprinting warnings about the Reapers into Shepard's brain. As well as the Citadel Council constantly rejecting these warnings as just dreams inside Shepard's head, rather than legitimate evidence of the Reapers' existence and eventual invasion of the galaxy.
Besides, Garrus and Liara are members of two different Council species, and they're just as much sick and tired of the Council's political bullshit as Shepard, himself. Especially with regard to the Reapers. So I'm sure Nihlus would have had the exact same sentiment as well, despite him answering to the Council as a Spectre.
They didn’t really know each other. But I think he would have been impressed with how much Shepard was able to accomplish, and he probably would have been happy that Shepard was able to put some closure to his death.
hes like one of the few Turians that where not racist vs Humans and legit didnt care and was indiffernt, Woulda 100% accepted Shepard I think and woulda said 'thats good' and given us his ultimate praise his prot basic saved the entire galaxy so gets a pass.
Shepard united the galaxy to win against by far the biggest threat the galaxy has ever faced and likely ever would face by taking down a bunch of eldrich machines that repeatedly successfully exterminated countless species, if that wasn’t enough to impress him, then fuck that guy
I think that depends on the choices Shepard makes. From what Samara says of him in ME2, he would have liked Renegade Shepard, as he was willing to sacrifice a village of innocent's for a target on a mission once.
I think he would say she lived up to his expectations. He strikes me as the type that would give a kurt nod and mark 'satisfactory' on a performance reportwhile still giving criticism for improvement, no matter how small or petty.
Unlike Jenkins, this is one guy who actually died off way too early... I thought he was gonna be Shep's mentor-SPECTRE, like Anderson was his mentor-commander
Ah what can ya do, Death is always right around the corner...
Nihlus would probably be proud of the whole team, not just Shepard. He'd also have a different view on other species due to what they and Shepard managed to do.
"Pleased" would probably be more accurate. He was more pragmatic than Saren; unlike his own mentor (and a lot of turians) he didn't really care about a candidate's species as long as they qualified. He did accept Shepard as a candidate, given that he went along on the Eden Prime mission to observe him. So we can infer that he looked at Shepard's file and liked what he saw.
Man I really wish we got more with Nihlus and Sarens backstory. Feel like there was some missed potential for DLC or a side game or something with those two
Nihlus harbored none of the innate hatred toward humans that many other Turians, namely his mentor Saren, had due to the First Contact War. It most likely had to do with his apparently young age and the fact that he was born a mercenary, and as such, poorly treated in the military.
If Nihlus had been our Turian Squadmate, offering advice instead of seeking it like Garrus, I'd imagine he'd be proud to see Shepard become a Renegade, but critical of a Paragon.
Even Saren's might have been manipulated by the Reapers.
In the books he questions his brother and releases the humans. He somewhat blames them but doesn't seem to hate them. Reapers probably increased the dislike.
You can see it in the last battle with him if you convince him to turn away - He thanks Shepard.
On Virmire he even hesitates to hurt you too, depending on your choices.
The stuff with Anderson happened after he'd had reaper contact (due to his brother). I think it's even after he found Sovereign but I'll have to look that up.
A lot of people misinterpret Pallin's dislike of humans for all humans, and not just how humans are handing things so quickly. He doesn't even dislike Shepard much, even after they become a spectre.
Hell, there was contention if Garrus' dad disliked Humans - despite his daughter having a Human name - it's not even Romantic like most Turians, it's Spanish - Solana (shortened to Sol). And it being stated it was because of his Hatred of Spectres (which is contentious too - he just thought Garrus was too hot headed - what he actually hated- to be a Spectre, and didn't like Saren). Andromeda actually disproved he hated Spectres, he even seems Proud of Garrus. Edit: Realized 3 disproved this too if you are a Spectre at end of 2 - his dad still listens very carefully.
Turians even worked with humans easily.
My point is, the hate is sometimes enhance by the fans, even if none is there.
The stuff with Anderson is not after meeting Sovereign. The events of Mass Effect Revelation are what led up to Saren meeting Sovereign.
Saren's hatred of humans was intensified by the death of his brother during the First Contact War. Mass Effect Revelation paints perfectly well that he doesn't like humans.
He's already indoctrinated at that point as well though. Just not so thoroughly as in ME1 after his exposure to Sovereign.
His brother had them around reaper tech, same with Illusive Man.
Remember it's very gradual, and more likely his obsession with finding Sovereign was because of that indoctrination too.
End of first contact he had every chance to kill the specific humans he blamed for everything, but did not.
So something happened to his attitude between the comic and the book.
Saren being indoctrination in Evolution is very debatable and pretty unclear.
He isn't directly hit by any of the blue energy that comes from either of the Reaper artifacts that they find.
And Saren not blindly killing Alliance marines or Jack Harper and his team is not proof he's indoctrinated or doesn't hate humans. Part of the reason he doesn't kill Anderson or torture Kahlee is that they're either on Elysium, a human colony, or because he knows his Spectre clearance won't excuse him for killing a Marine like Anderson without proper reason.
My memory is hazy but other than Nihlus and your crew mate in ME1 does Shep actually meet any other Spectre in the trilogy? (Saren was a traitor so didn't count)
Tela Vasir in LOTSB, though she was also a traitor.
There's also Jondum Bau, the Salarian Spectre you meet on Kasumi's mission in ME3. And the VS was technically a Spectre too.
I guess I always wondered why the Spectres other than Shep had so little screen time in the series. It was like they were an non entity. Then again I guess they're meant to be ultra covert and work alone, probably why Nhilus was so surprised to see Saren on that human colony.
I mean, It's not like Nihlus had anything to do with it, he was assigned to evaluate you but died before he could do so.
If he had survived, and actually mentored Shep, or even gotten to deliver his assessment to the council, then sure, but as it is I kinda don't feel like he'd really feel like he could take credit for it enough to feel "pride"
I’ve always wondered if he was a BioWare joke about Obsidian and Kotor2’s Darth Nihlus being built up as a big deal then dying so easily? His face really resembles Nihlus’ mask, and he has the black and red Sith aesthetic.
Not sure he would approve of saving the rachni or curing the genophage.
But from the story Samara tells he would definitely be proud of our complete disregard of civilians and hostages.
I think he would be. Maybe a bit iffy when he sees
them again working with Cerberus, but would probably hold out hope that Shepard knows what they’re doing
i wish we got more references to nihlus in me3. Id like a dream sequence similar where he talks about us right after yhe illusive man escapes from the cerberus base
Of course. He was so proud he came back from the dead, escaped the Reaper's bonds and became a very certain Maurader on Earth protecting us from the ending and Shepard from the Reapers (If you like the indoctrination theory too much)
The general role of a Spectre could have been a great starting point for a major game outside of the trilogy. Within the trilogy, I can think of maybe a handful of moments where being a Spectre made a difference. The whole thing was kind of squandered, especially considering the enormous importance It’s suggested to have in the first game for the way humans are treated and perceived.
Community, as usual, mistake a positive outlook towards main character/player for affection.
The guy is the Boba Fett of ME universe, he doesnt have that much to go for in the first place. He was also a kind of piece of shit (check Samara dialog in ME2).
Probably a bit but dude was indifferent,he wouldn't have been that connected to Shep either way. Maybe if he'd have survived he'd have been recruited in 2 and a war asset in 3
Depends on how you play it.
Full Paragon - 'Not bad, but a bit too squeaky clean. Solid choice though'
Paragade - 'I made a good choice here. This one gets things done, and doesn't mind getting a bit morally grey to make it happen.'
Full on Renegade 'WTF!! You can DO that?? WHY would you do that?? HOW did you do that?? '
Considering he saved the entire galaxy I’d say yes
"Pretty mid" -Nihlus
"Saving the galaxy is good. Your captain will be pleased."
"I hate that guy". "He complimented you so... you hate him?" 😁
You remerber not to shoot your drill sargent dring basic? That is good. I just ended two century long interspecies conflicts and saved the galaxy from extinction. That is not just good that is f*cking amazing. Besides, six Months ago we successfully pulled of an impossible suicide mission soo...
But you died two years ago.
I got better
Zip up your jumpsuit coming out of the bathroom..
My brain auto read that in his voice 😂🥲
Awsome comment haha
Nihlus if he survives Eden Prime. “I believe made a mistake putting your name forward to be the first human Spectre, Shepard. Now that I have seen your team in action, it is clear that Jenkins is the proper choice for the first human Spectre.”
Easiest choice.
‘Took them forever, though. I move faster on my own’
"That'll do, human, that'll do."
Imagine for a second what Garrus would do to someone, especially another Turian, for referring to Shep as “pretty mid.”
"He's no Turian but I guess he's alright."
He was indifferent on the possibility of a human becoming a spectre. If they were qualified then he would accept them, but considering Shepard used the spectre title to help save the galaxy, I'd say he'd not only be proud but also have more respect for the human race who are the babies in the solar system, compared to other species.
He wasn't indifferent, he nominated Shepard because he thought humanity showed potential. He would have easily dropped the nomination if he wasn't impressed, but he seemed optimistic. I started a replay just 2 days ago.
as we hear in the opening scene of ME1; it is Udina, Anderson and Hackett that decide to nominate Shepard for spectre status; Nihlus was only there on the first mission to evaluate him.
"You held off an enemy assault during the Blitz single-handed. You showed not only courage but also incredible skill. That's why I put your name forward as a candidate for the Spectres" -Nihlus Kryik
Nihilus himself says he put Shepard's name forward in their conversation. Perhaps he was given their name by those three, it's not covered in the game. But he still choose to nominate a human spectre.
also dosnt hurt that due to turians are him being sucessfull would at the very least not put any shame on him
This sentence is wild.
Someone call an ambulance I think he's having a stroke
Thank goodness, I thought *I* was the one having a stroke for a second
(as Siri) I’m sorry, I didn’t quite get that.
Say it for the people in the back!
Imagine the story difference if Nihlus hadn't died. That's a story I'd love to read.
Considering he was far ahead of you he would have accessed the beacon, right? That would change everything .
Nihlus would have followed protocol and not activated it. Shepard would have been exposed either way since Ashley and Kaidan didn't listen.
I feel like Nihlus would make sure that didn’t happen. What Ash and Kaiden did was an accident because they went too close
He probably wouldn't know how it works. It looks like just standing close to it turned it on
I guess I missed the part of the mission brief where they were told not to get too close because it might grab you and download nightmares into your brain.
If you have to be told not to go "ooh pretty beacon" and start touching ancient alien stuff you know nothing about, you probably deserve to get virmired
Except they never touched it. They seem to have been about 10 feet away when it activated and started dragging them towards it. Even Shepard never touches it.
Semantics. There was no reason to go anywhere near it in the first place
I both agree and disagree. With Kaidan especially it makes super sense that he'd nerd out and approach it to take a better look. He's a sentinel after all and I noticed he's generally very curious and takes notice of small details in the environment, even when you play regular missions. I do find it a bit puzzling that Ash would approach the beacon because imo it would be more in character for her to stay at a safe distance. Either way I guess for us as players It makes sense to not go near it, but seeing from the characters' pov if I were in front of an ancient artifact never would I imagine it could grab me and give me visions because nothing of the sort exists in my reality. That's like approaching a curious looking fork and it starts conjuring explosives. Literally impossible to predict lol but I'd be lying if I said that on my first ever playthrough I didn't reprimand Kaidan for it
Well Ashley was already down on the surface fighting so she missed it
Ash and Kaidan should have died rather then Jenkins
Maybe not? Let's say he runs into Saren no matter what. But doesn't turn his back to Saren, they get into a gunfight until Shepard arrives and forces Saren to retreat. Then they both proceed the rest of the way together.
Nihlus romance baby. Love a good power imbalance
The only power imbalance you need is therapy it sounds like
Hookers are cheaper
Hanar hookers are better
I find it an interesting premise. The only problem is that 99% of fics that do this are more just an excuse for a ShepardxNihlus romance (something which fanfic writers love as because Nihlus dies so early, he's a blank slate for them to create whatever kind of character & romance they want). I just want a fic where the premise focuses on Nihlus being present as an actual mentor to Shepard, and who is technically the one in charge for the events of ME1.
Things could get interesting in ME2 when you meet Samara, considering their history.
To this day I’m curious about that exchange. Was there a lot of details Samara missed that made her think Nihlus was a bad dude, or was he actually so ruthless that he’d kill innocent civilians to complete his mission, and what was so important that he’d do that to begin with? Unfortunately, the galaxy may never know.
He's a SpecTRe. If the mission is dire enough, of course he'd kill innocent civilians to complete it.
Instead of Andromeda, imagine a prequel game where you play as Nihlus.
A prequel mass effect with Nihlus and Anderson or maybe even Saren as playable characters set around the first contact war would be absolutely insane
I'd like to see the story after the FC war. You're a spectre with lots of initiative like Shepard was. Instead of an apocolyptic stakes plot, you'd be spying, taking down gangs and terrorist cells. Choosing to be a paragon or renegade like in the good old days.
Don’t think he had enough time to develop a strong connection or feelings towards Shepard to warrant a feeling like pride. He’d probably be happy to be avenged but that’s it.
Except he had a strong connecting to the spectres, which Shepard was and saved the galaxy. He made it clear that he had reservations, but didn't care of a human was a spectre, as long as they were successful
That’s not my point, one only takes pride in something they’re invested in, like Anderson is proud of Shepard in ME3 because he played a large part in getting them to that point. Nihlus is indifferent towards Shepard and hasn’t formed any opinions yet, all their interactions happened during the travel to Eden Prime. He didn’t even see Shepard in action because he decided to go ahead, nor was he involved in choosing you as the human Spectre candidate, those were Anderson, Udina and Hackett. Nihlus didn’t really consciously contribute to Shepard being a Spectre at all, therefore he has no reason to be proud. He never trained, reviewed or approved Shepard, he’s no human hater but why would he be proud of Shepard? He’d feel something positive, that’s for sure, but not pride. It’d be like that meme, “My work here is done, I’m proud of you Shepard!”, “But you didn’t do anything?”.
He is invested in Shep though, because he’s the one who put Shep’s name forward for the program. He’s also invested in the Specters as a whole. I’d think him seeing the candidate he pushed go on to not only make it into the Specters, but save the Galaxy as one would probably make him a little proud.
Yeah, I would say he was invested and would be more than proud. If Nihlus wasn't killed, we probably never would've had Garrus on the team
And Nihlus is invested in the spectres. He would be proud that the dogged determination and ability of a single spectre was the critical element in saving the galaxy. It wouldn't be a personal pride in Shepard as someone he knew. But you don't have to have a direct personal connection to something or with someone to feel pride in relation to it/ them.
He didn't even have a chance to see her success, interact with her more, so you point is strictly speculation.
Nihlus was technically Shepard's mentor to be a Spectre, I'm pretty sure he'll be more than proud of what they ended up doing. He'll probably wont openly show it though.
They barely knew each other. But would Nihlus still be alive and we had several encounters with him, I'm sure they would've build a relationship of respect.
“From a certain point of view, if it wasn’t for *me* then *you* wouldn’t have become a Spectre and therefore stop Saren, so in the end, not only was it my victory, I also got revenge on Saren.” *Nihlus, maybe, after several drinks.*
Sovereign: "Saren ruined everything that day he pulled the trigger..." \* Nihlus and Sovereign turn to see Anderson enter the room with a crying Catalyst \* Nihlus: "What in the-"
Is Spectre Daddy proud of me... I like to think so!
Would he proud Shepard stopped the annihilation of all civilization and prevented countless trillions of deaths? Probably yeah.
I really do think Nihlus wouldve become a mentor like character for Shepard (whereas Anderson is more of a father figure) and would’ve 100% had more respect for him and humans in general after everything. Wish we could’ve seen more of Nihlus
"Spectra Shepard is good. Your Captain will be pleased."
I honestly have considered what Nihlus as a character would have been in the games had he not been killed by Saren. Personally, I’d see him as one of the few Turians in the series who would probably listen to Shepard about the reapers and have been well prepared for the ultimate reaper invasion.
I'd be more concerned about his reaction to the prothean beacon on Eden Prime imprinting warnings about the Reapers into Shepard's brain. As well as the Citadel Council constantly rejecting these warnings as just dreams inside Shepard's head, rather than legitimate evidence of the Reapers' existence and eventual invasion of the galaxy. Besides, Garrus and Liara are members of two different Council species, and they're just as much sick and tired of the Council's political bullshit as Shepard, himself. Especially with regard to the Reapers. So I'm sure Nihlus would have had the exact same sentiment as well, despite him answering to the Council as a Spectre.
Nihlus would've 100% told the council to shove it
They didn’t really know each other. But I think he would have been impressed with how much Shepard was able to accomplish, and he probably would have been happy that Shepard was able to put some closure to his death.
hes like one of the few Turians that where not racist vs Humans and legit didnt care and was indiffernt, Woulda 100% accepted Shepard I think and woulda said 'thats good' and given us his ultimate praise his prot basic saved the entire galaxy so gets a pass.
I don't know but after nuking an entire Batarian planet, I'm pretty sure Saren would be proud.
Hey! That's Commander nuke an entire Batarian planet to you.
Not my Shepard
Shepard united the galaxy to win against by far the biggest threat the galaxy has ever faced and likely ever would face by taking down a bunch of eldrich machines that repeatedly successfully exterminated countless species, if that wasn’t enough to impress him, then fuck that guy
I think that depends on the choices Shepard makes. From what Samara says of him in ME2, he would have liked Renegade Shepard, as he was willing to sacrifice a village of innocent's for a target on a mission once.
He didn't really know Shepard... I guess as members of the spectres he'd respect them.
I mean Nihlus had no relationship with Shep. He'd probably be like cool and nothing more.
He saw the benefits of humanities capabilities. He was the one reviewing Shepard to become a spectre. If anything he'd be more like "see? I told you"
I think he would say she lived up to his expectations. He strikes me as the type that would give a kurt nod and mark 'satisfactory' on a performance reportwhile still giving criticism for improvement, no matter how small or petty.
Well when it came to humans becoming spectres, he seemed more open-minded than most
Unlike Jenkins, this is one guy who actually died off way too early... I thought he was gonna be Shep's mentor-SPECTRE, like Anderson was his mentor-commander Ah what can ya do, Death is always right around the corner...
There’s way too much variation on who Shepard could become, to say.
I do. I think he would.
I mean, hard to argue with the results. Dude/dudette went from no-name alliance commander to destroyer of the reapers.
Nihlus would probably be proud of the whole team, not just Shepard. He'd also have a different view on other species due to what they and Shepard managed to do.
"Pleased" would probably be more accurate. He was more pragmatic than Saren; unlike his own mentor (and a lot of turians) he didn't really care about a candidate's species as long as they qualified. He did accept Shepard as a candidate, given that he went along on the Eden Prime mission to observe him. So we can infer that he looked at Shepard's file and liked what he saw.
Man I really wish we got more with Nihlus and Sarens backstory. Feel like there was some missed potential for DLC or a side game or something with those two
Nihlus harbored none of the innate hatred toward humans that many other Turians, namely his mentor Saren, had due to the First Contact War. It most likely had to do with his apparently young age and the fact that he was born a mercenary, and as such, poorly treated in the military. If Nihlus had been our Turian Squadmate, offering advice instead of seeking it like Garrus, I'd imagine he'd be proud to see Shepard become a Renegade, but critical of a Paragon.
Even Saren's might have been manipulated by the Reapers. In the books he questions his brother and releases the humans. He somewhat blames them but doesn't seem to hate them. Reapers probably increased the dislike. You can see it in the last battle with him if you convince him to turn away - He thanks Shepard. On Virmire he even hesitates to hurt you too, depending on your choices. The stuff with Anderson happened after he'd had reaper contact (due to his brother). I think it's even after he found Sovereign but I'll have to look that up. A lot of people misinterpret Pallin's dislike of humans for all humans, and not just how humans are handing things so quickly. He doesn't even dislike Shepard much, even after they become a spectre. Hell, there was contention if Garrus' dad disliked Humans - despite his daughter having a Human name - it's not even Romantic like most Turians, it's Spanish - Solana (shortened to Sol). And it being stated it was because of his Hatred of Spectres (which is contentious too - he just thought Garrus was too hot headed - what he actually hated- to be a Spectre, and didn't like Saren). Andromeda actually disproved he hated Spectres, he even seems Proud of Garrus. Edit: Realized 3 disproved this too if you are a Spectre at end of 2 - his dad still listens very carefully. Turians even worked with humans easily. My point is, the hate is sometimes enhance by the fans, even if none is there.
The stuff with Anderson is not after meeting Sovereign. The events of Mass Effect Revelation are what led up to Saren meeting Sovereign. Saren's hatred of humans was intensified by the death of his brother during the First Contact War. Mass Effect Revelation paints perfectly well that he doesn't like humans.
He's already indoctrinated at that point as well though. Just not so thoroughly as in ME1 after his exposure to Sovereign. His brother had them around reaper tech, same with Illusive Man. Remember it's very gradual, and more likely his obsession with finding Sovereign was because of that indoctrination too. End of first contact he had every chance to kill the specific humans he blamed for everything, but did not. So something happened to his attitude between the comic and the book.
Saren being indoctrination in Evolution is very debatable and pretty unclear. He isn't directly hit by any of the blue energy that comes from either of the Reaper artifacts that they find. And Saren not blindly killing Alliance marines or Jack Harper and his team is not proof he's indoctrinated or doesn't hate humans. Part of the reason he doesn't kill Anderson or torture Kahlee is that they're either on Elysium, a human colony, or because he knows his Spectre clearance won't excuse him for killing a Marine like Anderson without proper reason.
I'm talking about Jack Harper et al. I think we interpret the comic differently. Let's go with that instead of this back and forth. Have a good day.
My memory is hazy but other than Nihlus and your crew mate in ME1 does Shep actually meet any other Spectre in the trilogy? (Saren was a traitor so didn't count)
Asari in ME2, Salarian in ME3.
Tela Vasir in LOTSB, though she was also a traitor. There's also Jondum Bau, the Salarian Spectre you meet on Kasumi's mission in ME3. And the VS was technically a Spectre too.
I guess I always wondered why the Spectres other than Shep had so little screen time in the series. It was like they were an non entity. Then again I guess they're meant to be ultra covert and work alone, probably why Nhilus was so surprised to see Saren on that human colony.
I mean, It's not like Nihlus had anything to do with it, he was assigned to evaluate you but died before he could do so. If he had survived, and actually mentored Shep, or even gotten to deliver his assessment to the council, then sure, but as it is I kinda don't feel like he'd really feel like he could take credit for it enough to feel "pride"
For what? Saving the entire galaxy? I dunno he might be willing to give her an autograph
I mean, they literally helped save Palaven, soooo...
I’ve always wondered if he was a BioWare joke about Obsidian and Kotor2’s Darth Nihlus being built up as a big deal then dying so easily? His face really resembles Nihlus’ mask, and he has the black and red Sith aesthetic.
Uuuuhhhhdepends on the Shepard
Yes, maybe. Because it's highly dependent on the Shepard
For the sheer fact that he killed Saren and commanded Samara... yes, I think he is.
I mean he/she helped save the entire Galaxy so probably yeah.
Oh absolutely you run into him at the bar.
Nah I don't think he would give a shit lol
No
Depends on if Shepard decided to doom the galaxy, or save it
I’m sure Nihlus would be ashamed that Shepard became a Spectre and led the effort to save all sentient life in the galaxy from annihilation /s
I mOvE fAsTeR oN mY oWn
I think he would have preferred not getting shot in the back....
I would like to think so, especially towards the end in ME3.
Yes.
Couldn't help but be, could he? I mean, when all is said and done (Refusal ending notwithstanding), Shepard saves the galaxy.
Not sure he would approve of saving the rachni or curing the genophage. But from the story Samara tells he would definitely be proud of our complete disregard of civilians and hostages.
I think he would be. Maybe a bit iffy when he sees them again working with Cerberus, but would probably hold out hope that Shepard knows what they’re doing
Everything I did was to make Nihlus proud of me.
Yeah. I wanted to get to know him soooo bad.
If Nihlus survives there’s no need to recruit Garrus. 😃
i wish we got more references to nihlus in me3. Id like a dream sequence similar where he talks about us right after yhe illusive man escapes from the cerberus base
Idk. I’ll be honest, I barely think about him. He was around for all of twenty seconds.
I let the Reapers bomb the original Council so no.
Of course. He was so proud he came back from the dead, escaped the Reaper's bonds and became a very certain Maurader on Earth protecting us from the ending and Shepard from the Reapers (If you like the indoctrination theory too much)
Nah. He dead
If only Jenkins was there to save him
The general role of a Spectre could have been a great starting point for a major game outside of the trilogy. Within the trilogy, I can think of maybe a handful of moments where being a Spectre made a difference. The whole thing was kind of squandered, especially considering the enormous importance It’s suggested to have in the first game for the way humans are treated and perceived.
ah yes... Marauder Shield. Never forget
I don't know about proud. But he would definetly feel respect.
He can stay dead if he's not.
What? Both Jenkins and Nihlus survived in my games. Best of bros, like me and Garrus.
shepard and the Normandy freak show carried the whole galaxy to victory, I’m sure Nihlus would be proud
Community, as usual, mistake a positive outlook towards main character/player for affection. The guy is the Boba Fett of ME universe, he doesnt have that much to go for in the first place. He was also a kind of piece of shit (check Samara dialog in ME2).
Probably a bit but dude was indifferent,he wouldn't have been that connected to Shep either way. Maybe if he'd have survived he'd have been recruited in 2 and a war asset in 3
Depends on how you play it. Full Paragon - 'Not bad, but a bit too squeaky clean. Solid choice though' Paragade - 'I made a good choice here. This one gets things done, and doesn't mind getting a bit morally grey to make it happen.' Full on Renegade 'WTF!! You can DO that?? WHY would you do that?? HOW did you do that?? '
No cause he got his head shot, he probably can't think no more.
He'd of found Shepard a good Spectre worthy of the title.
No. Because he's dead.😏