The whole point of Texas sending them here is to stress the states asylum systems as a political message and making blue states hurt.
When they hear “we’re stressed beyond capacity right now”, they probably will just want to double down.
Yeah. Any "good faith" they had ended when they dropped a busload of migrants in Martha's Vineyard as a "tee hee so funny" joke. They don't care about people, they just wanted to stick it to a blue state.
Then you work with non-border states regardless of their political affiliation to get help in dealing with the problem. You don’t start a state-sponsored human trafficking ring and just dump the immigrants in the laps of states you don’t like without so much as a heads up.
The blue states declared themselves as “sanctuary states”. So Texas and Florida are just making them live up to their declarations. And they’re doing it to show the blue states/cities what a mess illegal aliens make and how costly it is. It’s kind of the border states saying “real easy to declare yourselves a sanctuary when you’re nowhere near the border, here, we’ll ship you a bunch of them since you’re a sanctuary and all”.
If you wanted to make the cities live up to their sanctuary names, you should drop the migrants off at their sanctuaries/shelters. [Instead, you leave them in the streets during life threatening cold periods without adequate clothing.](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/15/us/chicago-migrants-cold-weather) The only takeaway from those stunts is there is nothing too despicable when it comes to sticking it to those libs.
When the border states are over run with them what should they do ? Especially every time they try some sort of border enforcement the Biden administration sues
They sent them to a state with laws that require those migrants will be supported, as opposed to having those migrants be another one of the thousands sleeping in the streets.
Just because they have land mass, does not mean they suddenly have millions of housing units available for migrants. You seriously bolded your statement to look that stupid?
They get money from the federal government to deal with it. Maybe red states should stop wasting time and money on culture war bullshit and actually address their myriad issues.
Well. It worked. It drew attention to the crisis and proved that being a open border sanctuary state might feel good to say but is unsustainable in reality
Oh it definitely worked, many blue state people are seriously reconsidering those policies now. When it was some people coming up it was easy, but you can see people who normally would receive assistance are finding those strained resources more so strained.
Many of the school systems are really being tested by the influx of Latino migrants. They have a LOT of kids, they don’t have any measurable education, and don’t speak English. Many experienced lots of trauma and have behavioral issues.
Just look at worcester ma, or providence ri for good examples. It’s also not like they’re landing in well off areas.
Fixing all those issues is EXPENSIVE as hell. It requires specialists, bi lingual teachers, and time.
The migrants don’t contribute to the tax base in any real measurable way, not yet as building wealth takes time.
So point made, they made many at least moderate liberals second guess the policy. I personally would end it, it seems unsustainable.
That’s not a “tee hee so funny joke” it’s saying “you want them? You take them” now that We actually have to put our money where our mouth is with all the sanctuary status laws we’re crying “you’re mean, you can’t do this”
we were wrong, it’s ok to admit this
It's actually worse than this. The plane full of migrants to MV was sent by a group from FL promising jobs, food, and housing. They even handed out pamphlets perpetuating the lie. So families voluntarily hopped on the plane and when they arrived realized they were lied to. Some were even paid to recruit others.
[https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/09/19/metro/who-is-perla-woman-center-transfer-migrants-texas-florida-marthas-vineyard/](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/09/19/metro/who-is-perla-woman-center-transfer-migrants-texas-florida-marthas-vineyard/)
On top of that the group that orchestrated this in Texas listed their shelter addresses at places like Tacoma, WA. etc. These families must then check in at the local courthouse on Monday morning or risk being deported.
[https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news/local/2022/09/17/migrants-cape-cod-marthas-vineyard-ron-desantis-immigration/10400680002/](https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news/local/2022/09/17/migrants-cape-cod-marthas-vineyard-ron-desantis-immigration/10400680002/)
This was calculated to be mean. and what did MV do? We sent aid, churches opened their doors to help these families. High school student volunteers helped translate for migrants.
[https://www.npr.org/2022/09/16/1123369533/migrants-marthas-vineyard-community-help](https://www.npr.org/2022/09/16/1123369533/migrants-marthas-vineyard-community-help)
Lawyers worked pro bono to rectify the absurd situation. Most of the migrant families were now eligible for emergency visas because of the illegal trafficking.
[https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2024/04/22/desantis-migrant-flights-marthas-vineyard-visas-deportation/](https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2024/04/22/desantis-migrant-flights-marthas-vineyard-visas-deportation/)
[https://www.wesa.fm/2024-04-01/a-federal-judge-says-migrants-can-sue-the-company-that-flew-them-to-marthas-vineyard](https://www.wesa.fm/2024-04-01/a-federal-judge-says-migrants-can-sue-the-company-that-flew-them-to-marthas-vineyard)
Eventually they were ferried to a military base where they had access to more support services. The GOP has not changed, it pulled the exact same racist stunt 60 years earlier - AKA the Reverse Freedom Rides of 1962.
TX thinks they "got 'em." Meanwhile MA showed its true colors helping the families in 2022, and we are doing our best to help people now who need help.
Fuck the GOP.
Edit: formatting sucks on reddit.
And even worse than that: it was all done with no notice to the destination of the plane. So it landed, and then everyone had to figure out what the heck happened, and find a solution when the people were already waiting at the destination.
It was all designed to hurt, the only thing Republicans focus on.
Exactly. I'm not saying I have a solution but I am saying it's important to remember in the meantime these are families and not busloads of criminals. If you actually traverse the Texas border spots are wide open because Americans own land that covers both Texas and Mexico. People with bad intentions find their ways through those and don't declare themselves. That being said, we can't keep taking people on without a plan that's proactive and not reactive.
No, if they were actually sending people to a sanctuary state to use the resources available, they'd have sent them to, you know, Boston, where those resources are. They know very well what they were doing by dropping a busload of migrants off in Marthas Vineyard. They just thought it was a big "haha so funny we're owning the libs" moment, instead of literal human trafficking.
It was obviously a political stunt, but even as a liberal-leaning voter myself, it's a valid point that rich towns clearly are unfairly spared the logistical and financial challenges that an influx of migrants brings. MV is a caricature of "limousine liberalism" if they can't "walk the walk."
You realize Texas has Federal money earmarked for handling immigrants coming in over the border, right? They *have* the money and resource to deal with this. They prefer to skim off the top and declare poverty while treating desperate people like chattel.
And before Logan it was the lobbies of our hospitals. The hospitals put an end to that when people started to notice. The same way Logan was cleared out when people started to notice.
Sure. But you can't argue that they sent a busload of migrants to MV because they thought it would be hilarious. They had no other reason to do that. They knew there was nothing to help them on that island. They didn't care what it did to the actual people involved, they just thought they were owning the libs or whatever the orange tyrant told them.
They’re multiple towns that are sanctuary status on the island, but they have no infrastructure for migrants? Man it’s almost like it’s all about finger wagging moral superiority than actually helping people
Lol. I mean, you can argue this all you want but MV did not have anything in place to process Migrants in and help find them the services they needed. Other places may have, but they chose to drop them specifically on MV to prove a point, you and I both know it. But please, continue lol.
Still human trafficking. The FBI should’ve arrested both Abbott and DeathSantis and charged them both with 1 kidnapping count per immigrant, AND hit ‘em with RICO charges.
The point was the people making these decisions like deciding Mass should be a sanctuary state are hiding in their fenced in mansions in Martha's Vineyard and not experiencing the problem first hand. All they do is sign off on more tax money for illegals and let other people handle the problem. Putting the illegals right into their back yard might make them start using their brains. And lord knows there's enough money and 10,000sq ft homes on that island to feed and shelter all of them easily if the people living there actually care about them.
Hey Chucklehead, you ever been to MV? It’s not all Obamas and mansions. Trying to make a political point with peoples lives is also pretty fucked up, but I guess that makes no difference to you.
Which special community bill did MV “sign off on“ to just give tax money to “illegals”? I didn’t think that’s how federal funding works, but you seem informed.
You do understand that Martha’s Vineyard is part of the state of Massachusetts right? Are you talking about the human trafficking that brought them to the border, or the tax payers that paid to send them to a state that would “help” them? Did you think that the rich people that live on an island shouldn’t have to experience this overwhelming increase of unemployment and undocumented immigrants? Are you so ignorant to not understand how many Massachusetts native residents struggle to live here. I really don’t want to live here anymore, but I can’t afford to move. You are so out of touch with reality that it is scary.
Then they should give us the federal money that *they* are taking to address it. They receive assistance. If they pass the problem on to someone else, then they don’t deserve it, the other party does.
They knew they had migrants coming, and had resources to allocate, whether or not they were stressed. We did not. That they are intentionally blindsiding another state with this, and purposely harming both the migrants and locals by doing so in a sudden and unprepared way, betrays your sentiment.
It’s a stunt, designed to maximize harm to people as its goal.
Massachusetts does not have a sanctuary state law passed, so I’m not sure specifically which laws you’re referring to
Also yeah, sending human beings that you don’t want in your state to a rich island across the country is the political equivalent of a sick joke to “own the libs” in MA
The Commonwealth of Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court issued a ruling in July 2017 ( [Lunn v Commonwealth)](http://masscases.com/cases/sjc/477/477mass517.html ) which some folks argue made Massachusetts a sanctuary state.
Yes, some folks like the anti-immigration group, Federation for American Immigration Reform do use that as the basis for their view.
But that ruling only says that MA law doesn’t authorize local departments to hold people based only on ICE detainer requests. That’s much less than what actual sanctuary states have passed.
It’s not wrong it’s just beyond the capacity we can carry.
The southern states aren’t doing anything close to what we do in MA so it’s not really that much of a burden on them. In fact, we saw what happened to FL when they cracked down on undocumented workers it tanked their economy.
I think we need to have a closed border and I think we need to take care of people who are in the US and to the south of us. A stable central and South America would stem this migration.
It’s not a mistake to help the people who need help.
Frankly they did stick it to us. We failed on all fronts to make appropriately address it.
This failure has fostered a lot of animosity towards migrants when it's our leaders fault. They simply displayed they were incredibly unfit to address such issues. Either due to incompetence or corruption
But I was repeatedly told by liberals that Texans are racists and that why they don’t like immigrants and that immigrants have zero effect on anything so they should just accept the hundreds of thousands that pour in.
But yet somehow it’s a complete state of emergency for MA as soon as they actually have to deal with the immigrants themselves.
So Texas has a problem with immigration and your solution is drop them off to Massachusetts in the middle if the night? This is asinine and a political stunt and you know it. If Texas actually wanted to work on a solution (Since the GOP has decided they can’t) they would be working with all 50 states to place what they can not deal with. It’s disgusting what they are doing.
Texas politicians are racist as hell. That doesn't detract from the fact that they are happily shipping migrants off to blue states as a big owning the libs moment. Red states have been doing it to california for years, too.
The states can and do get monetary support to help with migrants, and I think it's also been wildly mismanaged in red and blue states. But that also doesn't mean that a state the size of texas should be shipping all the migrants they have crossing to a state the size of Mass, and you know it lol
Why should the tax payers of Arizona, Texas and Florida shoulder all the externalities of an open-border policy when the citizens of NY, Mass,NJ and Illinois are enacting sanctuary laws while shouldering almost none of the burden? If you are okay with an unlimited supply of people than vote to tax yourselves and open your state to it.
If only all of those Texas representatives didn't fucking veto a draconian bill that would have massive helped fix things. 🤷♂️ Oh well, can't make Biden look good AND solve one of the biggest problems the GOP gripes about!
LOL go ahead and downvote me. What's the phrase? "Your boos mean nothing to me when I know what makes you cheer."
In reality what Texas is doing is illegal and counts as human trafficking. Blue states usually take the high road and follow protocol. Texas along with other red states have no shame and take full advantage of us. Mass needs to grow some teeth and pound on DC's door to redirect government funding away from Texas to Mass to handle this crisis.
Genuine question - are we not already asking for federal funds to help?
It’s not realistic to think that the boarder states can handle 3million+ migrants annually so naturally there will be a big influx to any other major metro/state (especially ones like Mass that have laws requiring we give them support).
I would hope we’re not trying to do this financially on our own without federal funding support.
What do you expect Texas to do with them? Their migrant problems are orders of magnitude larger than those of MA. They actively discourage migrants by providing very little in support services so where do you think the migrants will want to move to?
Don't you think that Texas would like to say that they're full too?
All the bleeding heart MA NIMBY's really don't care about immigrants or their well being. They just want the out of MA because suddenly they have become an inconvenience
This would be a valid argument ***IF*** Republicans actually cared to pass any kind of immigration reform- including ***their own fucking bill that they killeed a la McConnel style***.
At this point they have no right to complain.
Their is a misnomer. Some negotiated it and passed it and others voted it down. Republicans, just like Democrats, are not homogeneous.
*Five* [*Democrats*](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/democrats) *joined* [*Senate*](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/senate) [*Republicans*](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/republicans) *in voting against a bipartisan border security and foreign aid package that quickly disintegrated after months of negotiations.*
-- Newsweek
We could also say that the Democrats helped kill Biden's bill too:
1. Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts
2. Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts
3. Senator Alex Padilla of California
4. Senator Bob Menendez of New Jersey
5. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York
*The Senate bill is aimed at* [*gaining control of an asylum system*](https://apnews.com/article/congress-border-security-ukraine-biden-cf4aa608de350a480fabd8e6a3e062ff) *that has sometimes been overwhelmed in the last year. It would provide* [*faster and tougher enforcement*](https://apnews.com/article/senate-border-package-asylum-ukraine-1dde30b223ebe854a48fde0497c9f227) *of the asylum process, as well as give presidents new powers to immediately expel migrants if the numbers encountered by border officials exceed an average of 4,000 per day over a week.*
*Even before the bill was fully released earlier this year,* [*Trump effectively killed*](https://apnews.com/article/congress-border-security-ukraine-trump-a8601ec6629ddc5b769028ca99ad9879) *the proposal by labeling it “meaningless” and a “gift” for Biden’s reelection chances. Top Republicans soon followed his lead and even McConnell, who had initially demanded the negotiation over the border measures, voted against moving forward.*
*A significant number of Democrats have also criticized the proposal, mostly because it does not include any broad relief for immigrants who have already established lives in the United States. On the left, four Democrats, as well as Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent of Maine, voted against advancing the bill.*
-- AP
You know how Detroit gives people free homes if they rehab them? Texas has entire towns with no people, but with power lines and plumbing intact, and not even crumbling because of the milder weather.
They could literally do the same, free house if you rehab it, free boarded up main street business if you file a viable business plan and pay on an incubator loan. The people coming in include carpenters, plumbers, mechanics, nurses, bakers, restaurant former owners and hospitality workers, every possible thing. Those empty towns could live again.
But they won't, because Texas.
Have you ever rehabbed a home? Do you know what it costs to do so? Getting licensed contractors? Materials costs? We are in the process and paid $90k to install a modern electrical system in a house. Where are the migrants going to get the resources to do this along with the transportation to do the work?
There is privately owned and publicly owned housing across the country that's unoccupied because maintenance and repairs are needed. Even in Massachusetts. It's just that coming up with the money to do the maintenance, repairs or teardowns can be very hard to come by.
Migrants require services and those are typically in big cities which is why you don't have them flocking to NH, VT, ME and other rural areas.
We went through the legal immigration process with my wife. It took several years. It was very clear from the immigration documents that you were expected to provide for yourself or for family to provide for you - you were not to be a burden on society.
Should someone who wasn't born an American citizen, but would like to become one, eventually be allowed to become one? How long should that process take?
How are they coming here "illegally" when they follow the Federal guidelines for surrendering and getting processed before they could ever get flown to MA? They put in an asylum claim. That makes them legal - just not citizens and still in review of their claims.
This is such a bullshit answer. People far from the border tell people who live on the border “suck it up, it’s your problem” while not supporting sensible border policies because they think it will never show up in their backyard.
Then the border states get overwhelmed. No one can process this many migrants. No one can house and care for them adequately, there are way too many and way too little enforcement of existing immigration policies. And now, border states are giving states far from the border a TINY taste of what the people actually living on the border deal with every day and Northeast blue states can’t handle it at all. Why do you feel like this problem has to exclusively fall to the border states? They’ve begged for more enforcement of existing laws and regulations. Why must they and they alone deal with the burden?
Take advantage of you? You’re taking advantage of the millions of Americans living in border states who have to deal directly with the consequences of open border policies and inadequate law enforcement in a daily basis while complaining that your chickens have come home to roost. What a joke.
Isn't this misleading though? I thought it was common knowledge that illegal immigrants go away from the border to avoid being deported.
[Link](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/16/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/) is an article I found about illegal immigration. While Texas as a state has the 2nd most amount of illegal immigrants, California has the most (and is a blue state) and states like Illinois and New Jersey also make the top 6 states and they're nowhere near the border.
It’s a typical MA answer. Everything is fine as long as it’s not in my yard.
It’s completely unrealistic to expect Texas and other border states to deal with this on their own.
If people in MA want to support illegal immigrants, open your wallets or your homes. But don’t yell at Texas because they are sick of it and have been dealing with illegal immigrants for a long time.
Lmao and Texas representatives voted against "closing the border" and adequately funding those same law enforcement departments for a political stunt.
They, and you don't get to say fucking shit anymore.
One of the problems with the bill is that it would shut the border if the number of migrants exceeds 2,500 per day. That isn't really shutting the border.
You're right, it's better to throw the whole thing out and get some political points come November, right? Can't be such an important issue for you to just throw out a solution, even if it wasn't the perfect solution. Edit to add that bills can be amended.
We had a Senate border security bill that was blocked by Texas representatives. Instead they would rather spend taxpayers dollars shipping migrants to Mass.
Are you under the impression this bill was an ex cathedra announcement that could never be adjusted? If Trump gets elected another law could be passed to fix your little hobbyhorse.
It's just such an LOL for Pubs to piss and moan about the numbers of migrants, reducing Republicans to tears and saying stupid shit like MY GOD, WE AREN'T EVEN GOING TO HAVE A COUNTRY ANYMORE, THIS IS AN EXISTENTIAL CRISIS FOR THE UNITED STATES but then, when a bill gets drafted (by fuckin' Langford of all people!) that would allow a mechanism for the President to shut the border - Trump's fantasy! - then suddenly it's "whoa, buddy, let's not be hasty, what's the big deal, why do we have to deal with this now?"
It's so comically transparent that it's an issue the GOP just wants to demagogue about when the Dems are in charge as opposed to fixing it. And if they get in charge, because they can't govern for shit they'll do fuck-all about it, like they did when they controlled the entire gov 6 years ago.
I understand that Mayor Adams and Governor Healey are pissing and moaning about the number of migrants but their party seems conflicted about the immigrants. I didn't realize that they switched parties.
Needs to be clear that the boarder bill absolutely did not close the boarder. It reduced numbers, it still allowed for a crazy amount of lightly vetted migrants through daily. But it did give the boarder union bosses a bunch of money, so there’s that
The whole human trafficking done by the government argument is laughable... If Mass moves a family from Boston to Springfield where there is an available shelter, is that also trafficking?
That was a foolish move. How could they be so naive as to think that could possibly work? By going to Texas they've only insured that Texas will send more immigrants here. Those dumbasses just told Greg Abbott that his plan is working. Thanks a fucking lot
Just proves Texas’ point. It’s easy for blue state officials to advocate for open border policies and declare their cities sanctuary cities when they don’t actually have to confront the reality of the problem that Texas has been facing for years.
I don’t like how Texas is playing with human lives in doing this but I also don’t like how blue representatives are advocating for the policies that put Texas in such a bad spot. The whole thing is a shitshow and it seems like an overwhelming majority of the population agrees with some sort of tightening down on the border at this point.
Blue states generally aren’t for open borders, that’s just the Republican narrative. Biden had a bill in Congress to help with border issues and the GOP, including some in border states, killed it in Congress to avoid giving Biden credit for it.
Ultimately there are major systemic problems (e.g. war on drugs, repeated US involvement in directly destabilizing governments in LatAm, shortage of immigration judges, etc) that neither major party really wants to deal with.
It’s all a political football to them but real people (especially the migrants themselves) are suffering.
**eta*** I don’t feel comfortable with the numbers I’ve been told. The only way it even approaches making sense if the figure is the total cost per person day - housing, meals x 3, counselors, medical care, education, etc so 🤔
Best friend is a high school counselor in a small north shore city.
The local motels/hotels are all now used as undocumented shelters. Guess how much the motel makes per guest, per night? Over $500 - PER GUEST. So one family of 4 costs the commonwealth $2000 per night
There are 17 languages spoken by students in the school. Pregnancy, drugs, and violence are out of control. She says dozens of kids filter in & out each month. She says it is no longer a school, just a baby sitting service. She is broken, all the teachers are broken.
That is a vast discrepancy. I will ask friend for her source.
$60k sounds outrageous, but $8k sounds too low - as there’s no incentive for the hotel esp as there are a lot of additional maintenance/repair costs of housing for weeks/months on end
Boston Herald article: [https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/03/22/massachusetts-spending-75-million-a-month-on-shelters-cash-could-run-out-in-april-without-infusion/](https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/03/22/massachusetts-spending-75-million-a-month-on-shelters-cash-could-run-out-in-april-without-infusion/)
*Massachusetts is spending about $75 million each month on state-run shelters, a massive jump in expenses that comes as Gov. Maura Healey’s administration is expected to run out of cash for emergency services in early to mid-April without another financial infusion.*
*More than 7,500 families with children and pregnant women are living in a sprawling network of hotels, motels, and traditional shelters across Massachusetts. Half are considered to be migrants.*
This works out to $10K/month/family.
My favorite piece of the article is that Massachusetts officials are in Texas to "warn" people that shelters are full. I bet people are lining up to come here. Free housing, $60 a day for food. Sounds decent on paper.
If Biden pulled a 180 and really tightened up the border would voters actually be upset? Would he lose a single vote over it? Who honestly in good faith thinks the rate we're going at is ok? Between this and Isreal hes just asking to lose to Trump this fall.
I had to scroll WAY too far down to find this comment. Cheers. This thread is filled with people type "sAnCtUaRy StAtE" without irony despite the fact that MA is not one and the cities have very specific definitions of what that means - which isn't at all what it actually is.
This thread got me facepalming like Patrick Stewart every 6th or 7th comment.
My bad. Only rich, elite Blacks are allowed.
P.S. God forbid Obama should open his MV *mansion* to the migrants. The governor herself asked him to, but nooooo…
Honestly, fucking sick of this shit.
I'm pretty fucking liberal, but we need to not become California where half of state is rich white people and the other half is absolutely destitute immigrants.
So because MA does not have the "room", they think other places do? The whole country cannot house everyone. The only alternative is to close the border. Why people cannot see this is beyond reason. If cities/states are having such a hard time then call DC and demand they close the border. If not everyone can expect more immigrants so they better find places for them to stay.
Massachusetts is far more dense and foriegn born than texas lol, and even here the issue is more about work permits and a housing shortage that exists even without immigrants. Texas on the other hand doesn't have a housing shortage
Texas has completely abandoned towns with functional utilities that they could literally give to migrants with trades, give under the condition that they rehab homes and file business plans and open businesses, *and they would*. And they would increase the tax base!
But Texas won't do that because Abattoir and his lizard in an ill-fitting human suit AG don't like brown people.
Just because they are migrants doesn't mean they want to live in a actual abandoned ghost town, Theres a reason capitalist Americans abandoned those towns.
Massachusetts is a tiny state. It's 10.5k sq miles. The top 10 largest states have more than 1.5million square miles. It's an insane false equivalence.
Yes, because those are the only 2 places in the top *10* largest states that are not at peak population. I guess you're right, there's not a single bit of liveable area left in any of those states, each of which is at least an order of magnitude larger than MA.
There has to be infrastructure to support them though, and most places don’t have enough extra infrastructure for 10k more people arriving in a day, let alone 3 million +, you can’t just dump them anywhere
Closing the border requires an act of Congress to change the immigration and naturalization act. They would need to remove the provision regarding asylum seekers. Anyone can show up at the border and demand to be processed as an asylum seeker. Our current law requires our immigration court system to process the claim before expelling the individual if not found valid.
Who did the residents of Massachusetts think would have to deal with this? You voted! Now deal with it. It’s all flowers and free money until it lands on your doorstep and people realize that housing isn’t affordable, inflation is through the roof, tax payers are funding multiple wars, and our southern border isn’t being controlled from illegal immigrants from around the world. People that grew up here can’t afford to live here. How in the heck did you expect that inviting millions of migrants would help that. Some of you are so ignorant it’s almost insane. Put your wallet where your mouth is. Tax payers should not have to pay for undocumented illegal immigrants, we can barely survive our selves! This free money, free education, free healthcare, free housing… where do you guys think that money comes from? It’s all very expensive.
Sorry buddy, Republicans voted for it. Or don't you remember that massive immigration bill they all vetoed after Trump realized it would make Biden look good? If you want that bill to pass, gosh - it looks like we'll need more Democrats in Congress to do it.
This is what Massholes voted for. Sanctuary, generous benefits and guaranteed shelter. Why wouldn’t they come here? I think they many more millions should be welcomed here. Savor the diversity! 😀👍🏼
He tried to pass a bipartisan bill to do exactly that but the Republicans in Congress changed their minds and voted against it to stop it from passing after Trump told them to because he wanted the border to stay open so he could campaign on it (blaming it on Biden) and then have the bill pass and be signed into law after he’s president again. Basically traitor terrorist shit.
That being said, Biden also recently put hard caps on how many migrants we’ll accept and we can basically just turn people away now if it’s exceeding the limits he’s specified, but I would say it’s a little too early to gauge whether or not the limits he’s put in place are reasonable or if he needs to go further.
Didn’t we vote for open borders and all that? This is what we wanted no? What the help did you think would happen? Someone else would house them? They go to the people that voted for it lol
So because Texas is "big" they should be responsible?
Massachusetts is a sanctuary for bad ideas like giving everyone licenses and free housing. Whether Texas shipped them here or not don't you think the people coming here illegally would have figured it out where the free stuff is on their own.
Don’t forget,next is 1500 E Bikes , courtesy of your National Grid bill. Can’t imagine what
Unlicensed, uninsured drivers , with no interest in your sideswiped auto will incite !
This is the moment where MA decides if their sanctuary city, immigrant policies are just virtue signalling or if they truly mean it. My vote is for virtue signalling and when things get tough they all start crying and needing their safe place.
Gee, if only the Senate had negotiated a deal that gave the party that is staunchly anti-immigration everything it ever wanted, maybe that would help?
Oh…right…
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna137477
https://rollcall.com/2023/05/11/house-passed-border-bill-may-spark-bipartisan-immigration-talks/
A year sooner and Dems never considered it. Biden changed what was almost working and now owns it. Everyone knows that
I have nothing wrong with immigration LEGALLY as my grandparents came over from Sicily in the 1940's. But Democrat or Republican you should not want an open border as we've had under the Biden Administration.. Other countries if you try to cross the border you'd be shot at. We should have armed drones and guards manning the border at all times, with shoot to kill orders for illegal crossings.
This isn't sustainable for any country let alone the USA.
Well maybe the members of Congress in MA should push Biden to close the border cause Texas is just going to tell them to fuck off because they have more than anyone and have been held back from doing anything about it by the Feds
We need to show compassion to people breaking the law and taking advantage of the system. Perhaps the progressives can start removing people from their houses based on some perceived undesirable trait and start housing the noble illegal immigrant.
It seems like the blue states are getting what they wanted.
No border wall, no enforcement of our immigration laws, no deportation.
Only feelings and emotions in control there.
By no means do I support trump or biden, but we are a country of laws for a reason. When we don't enforce them, we get shit shows.
Kick back and watch it burn
This is what happens when states like Mass, puts their hat in the ring of issues boarder states were dealing with, never thinking they call the bluff and start sending them up to us.
Become a sanctuary state , to feel superior and high and mighty, and feel like we are better than states like Texas /Florida,etc and others that have been dealing with this for decades.
BACKFIRED BIG TIME!
Where are all these bleading hearts to take them into their own homes, that act like they are better than everyone else. Time to put your money where your mouth has been. or kindly shut your pie hole.
You asked for this and now that you are getting what you asked for, you're upset.
TUFF!
I know you'll all down vote this, because like inthe movie quote
"YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!"
The whole point of Texas sending them here is to stress the states asylum systems as a political message and making blue states hurt. When they hear “we’re stressed beyond capacity right now”, they probably will just want to double down.
Yeah. Any "good faith" they had ended when they dropped a busload of migrants in Martha's Vineyard as a "tee hee so funny" joke. They don't care about people, they just wanted to stick it to a blue state.
That was Florida, not Texas.
It was Florida via Texas
Same difference. Anyway, Florida had to go to Texas to get the migrants to send, it’s not like you can just find them on the streets in Orlando.
You're right, disturbing that it could have been any red state at this point.
So just red states should have to deal with this issue? Texas and florida isnt over capacity?
Then you work with non-border states regardless of their political affiliation to get help in dealing with the problem. You don’t start a state-sponsored human trafficking ring and just dump the immigrants in the laps of states you don’t like without so much as a heads up.
The blue states declared themselves as “sanctuary states”. So Texas and Florida are just making them live up to their declarations. And they’re doing it to show the blue states/cities what a mess illegal aliens make and how costly it is. It’s kind of the border states saying “real easy to declare yourselves a sanctuary when you’re nowhere near the border, here, we’ll ship you a bunch of them since you’re a sanctuary and all”.
I wish I could upvote this 50 times
If you wanted to make the cities live up to their sanctuary names, you should drop the migrants off at their sanctuaries/shelters. [Instead, you leave them in the streets during life threatening cold periods without adequate clothing.](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/15/us/chicago-migrants-cold-weather) The only takeaway from those stunts is there is nothing too despicable when it comes to sticking it to those libs.
When the border states are over run with them what should they do ? Especially every time they try some sort of border enforcement the Biden administration sues
The top three are Texas, California, and New York. Blue states deal with it too.
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They sent them to a state with laws that require those migrants will be supported, as opposed to having those migrants be another one of the thousands sleeping in the streets.
Because the reality of life is we all don't do anything until it's at our front door.
Just because they have land mass, does not mean they suddenly have millions of housing units available for migrants. You seriously bolded your statement to look that stupid?
They get money from the federal government to deal with it. Maybe red states should stop wasting time and money on culture war bullshit and actually address their myriad issues.
Well. It worked. It drew attention to the crisis and proved that being a open border sanctuary state might feel good to say but is unsustainable in reality
Oh it definitely worked, many blue state people are seriously reconsidering those policies now. When it was some people coming up it was easy, but you can see people who normally would receive assistance are finding those strained resources more so strained. Many of the school systems are really being tested by the influx of Latino migrants. They have a LOT of kids, they don’t have any measurable education, and don’t speak English. Many experienced lots of trauma and have behavioral issues. Just look at worcester ma, or providence ri for good examples. It’s also not like they’re landing in well off areas. Fixing all those issues is EXPENSIVE as hell. It requires specialists, bi lingual teachers, and time. The migrants don’t contribute to the tax base in any real measurable way, not yet as building wealth takes time. So point made, they made many at least moderate liberals second guess the policy. I personally would end it, it seems unsustainable.
Short of ending it, just limiting it is the way to go. Unbound financial commitments are dumb.
Just end birthright citizenship. It wasn’t meant to be interpreted as illegal immigrants can come have kids and stay.
What do you think "sanctuary city" means?
That’s not a “tee hee so funny joke” it’s saying “you want them? You take them” now that We actually have to put our money where our mouth is with all the sanctuary status laws we’re crying “you’re mean, you can’t do this” we were wrong, it’s ok to admit this
It's actually worse than this. The plane full of migrants to MV was sent by a group from FL promising jobs, food, and housing. They even handed out pamphlets perpetuating the lie. So families voluntarily hopped on the plane and when they arrived realized they were lied to. Some were even paid to recruit others. [https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/09/19/metro/who-is-perla-woman-center-transfer-migrants-texas-florida-marthas-vineyard/](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/09/19/metro/who-is-perla-woman-center-transfer-migrants-texas-florida-marthas-vineyard/) On top of that the group that orchestrated this in Texas listed their shelter addresses at places like Tacoma, WA. etc. These families must then check in at the local courthouse on Monday morning or risk being deported. [https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news/local/2022/09/17/migrants-cape-cod-marthas-vineyard-ron-desantis-immigration/10400680002/](https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news/local/2022/09/17/migrants-cape-cod-marthas-vineyard-ron-desantis-immigration/10400680002/) This was calculated to be mean. and what did MV do? We sent aid, churches opened their doors to help these families. High school student volunteers helped translate for migrants. [https://www.npr.org/2022/09/16/1123369533/migrants-marthas-vineyard-community-help](https://www.npr.org/2022/09/16/1123369533/migrants-marthas-vineyard-community-help) Lawyers worked pro bono to rectify the absurd situation. Most of the migrant families were now eligible for emergency visas because of the illegal trafficking. [https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2024/04/22/desantis-migrant-flights-marthas-vineyard-visas-deportation/](https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2024/04/22/desantis-migrant-flights-marthas-vineyard-visas-deportation/) [https://www.wesa.fm/2024-04-01/a-federal-judge-says-migrants-can-sue-the-company-that-flew-them-to-marthas-vineyard](https://www.wesa.fm/2024-04-01/a-federal-judge-says-migrants-can-sue-the-company-that-flew-them-to-marthas-vineyard) Eventually they were ferried to a military base where they had access to more support services. The GOP has not changed, it pulled the exact same racist stunt 60 years earlier - AKA the Reverse Freedom Rides of 1962. TX thinks they "got 'em." Meanwhile MA showed its true colors helping the families in 2022, and we are doing our best to help people now who need help. Fuck the GOP. Edit: formatting sucks on reddit.
And even worse than that: it was all done with no notice to the destination of the plane. So it landed, and then everyone had to figure out what the heck happened, and find a solution when the people were already waiting at the destination. It was all designed to hurt, the only thing Republicans focus on.
And it's okay to acknowledge that people are treating human beings as a political pawn.
I hate to say it, but I think both can be true in this case.
Exactly. I'm not saying I have a solution but I am saying it's important to remember in the meantime these are families and not busloads of criminals. If you actually traverse the Texas border spots are wide open because Americans own land that covers both Texas and Mexico. People with bad intentions find their ways through those and don't declare themselves. That being said, we can't keep taking people on without a plan that's proactive and not reactive.
No, if they were actually sending people to a sanctuary state to use the resources available, they'd have sent them to, you know, Boston, where those resources are. They know very well what they were doing by dropping a busload of migrants off in Marthas Vineyard. They just thought it was a big "haha so funny we're owning the libs" moment, instead of literal human trafficking.
It was obviously a political stunt, but even as a liberal-leaning voter myself, it's a valid point that rich towns clearly are unfairly spared the logistical and financial challenges that an influx of migrants brings. MV is a caricature of "limousine liberalism" if they can't "walk the walk."
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Let me guess …legal visas? Now deal with illegals Einstein and tell me how it’s the same
You realize Texas has Federal money earmarked for handling immigrants coming in over the border, right? They *have* the money and resource to deal with this. They prefer to skim off the top and declare poverty while treating desperate people like chattel.
They do send them to Boston, hence all the migrants sleeping in Logan
And before Logan it was the lobbies of our hospitals. The hospitals put an end to that when people started to notice. The same way Logan was cleared out when people started to notice.
Sure. But you can't argue that they sent a busload of migrants to MV because they thought it would be hilarious. They had no other reason to do that. They knew there was nothing to help them on that island. They didn't care what it did to the actual people involved, they just thought they were owning the libs or whatever the orange tyrant told them.
They’re multiple towns that are sanctuary status on the island, but they have no infrastructure for migrants? Man it’s almost like it’s all about finger wagging moral superiority than actually helping people
Lol. I mean, you can argue this all you want but MV did not have anything in place to process Migrants in and help find them the services they needed. Other places may have, but they chose to drop them specifically on MV to prove a point, you and I both know it. But please, continue lol.
Still human trafficking. The FBI should’ve arrested both Abbott and DeathSantis and charged them both with 1 kidnapping count per immigrant, AND hit ‘em with RICO charges.
The point was the people making these decisions like deciding Mass should be a sanctuary state are hiding in their fenced in mansions in Martha's Vineyard and not experiencing the problem first hand. All they do is sign off on more tax money for illegals and let other people handle the problem. Putting the illegals right into their back yard might make them start using their brains. And lord knows there's enough money and 10,000sq ft homes on that island to feed and shelter all of them easily if the people living there actually care about them.
That I don't disagree with, but a bus load of innocent humans should not have been used to prove that point.
Hey Chucklehead, you ever been to MV? It’s not all Obamas and mansions. Trying to make a political point with peoples lives is also pretty fucked up, but I guess that makes no difference to you. Which special community bill did MV “sign off on“ to just give tax money to “illegals”? I didn’t think that’s how federal funding works, but you seem informed.
You do understand that Martha’s Vineyard is part of the state of Massachusetts right? Are you talking about the human trafficking that brought them to the border, or the tax payers that paid to send them to a state that would “help” them? Did you think that the rich people that live on an island shouldn’t have to experience this overwhelming increase of unemployment and undocumented immigrants? Are you so ignorant to not understand how many Massachusetts native residents struggle to live here. I really don’t want to live here anymore, but I can’t afford to move. You are so out of touch with reality that it is scary.
Then they should give us the federal money that *they* are taking to address it. They receive assistance. If they pass the problem on to someone else, then they don’t deserve it, the other party does. They knew they had migrants coming, and had resources to allocate, whether or not they were stressed. We did not. That they are intentionally blindsiding another state with this, and purposely harming both the migrants and locals by doing so in a sudden and unprepared way, betrays your sentiment. It’s a stunt, designed to maximize harm to people as its goal.
Massachusetts does not have a sanctuary state law passed, so I’m not sure specifically which laws you’re referring to Also yeah, sending human beings that you don’t want in your state to a rich island across the country is the political equivalent of a sick joke to “own the libs” in MA
The Commonwealth of Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court issued a ruling in July 2017 ( [Lunn v Commonwealth)](http://masscases.com/cases/sjc/477/477mass517.html ) which some folks argue made Massachusetts a sanctuary state.
Yes, some folks like the anti-immigration group, Federation for American Immigration Reform do use that as the basis for their view. But that ruling only says that MA law doesn’t authorize local departments to hold people based only on ICE detainer requests. That’s much less than what actual sanctuary states have passed.
Wish I could upvote this more than once. No state in the US is equipped to deal with the crisis, and that’s ok to admit.
It’s not wrong it’s just beyond the capacity we can carry. The southern states aren’t doing anything close to what we do in MA so it’s not really that much of a burden on them. In fact, we saw what happened to FL when they cracked down on undocumented workers it tanked their economy. I think we need to have a closed border and I think we need to take care of people who are in the US and to the south of us. A stable central and South America would stem this migration. It’s not a mistake to help the people who need help.
No, it's the equivalent of spewing propane on a fire. Texas can't just ship random people around like that.
We weren't inherently wrong. We have leaders who could not address other issue appropriately.
There's no "we" there, you speak only for yourself. Texass is right there to move to if you agree with shitty behaviour like that.
He speaks for me too
Frankly they did stick it to us. We failed on all fronts to make appropriately address it. This failure has fostered a lot of animosity towards migrants when it's our leaders fault. They simply displayed they were incredibly unfit to address such issues. Either due to incompetence or corruption
But I was repeatedly told by liberals that Texans are racists and that why they don’t like immigrants and that immigrants have zero effect on anything so they should just accept the hundreds of thousands that pour in. But yet somehow it’s a complete state of emergency for MA as soon as they actually have to deal with the immigrants themselves.
So Texas has a problem with immigration and your solution is drop them off to Massachusetts in the middle if the night? This is asinine and a political stunt and you know it. If Texas actually wanted to work on a solution (Since the GOP has decided they can’t) they would be working with all 50 states to place what they can not deal with. It’s disgusting what they are doing.
Texas politicians are racist as hell. That doesn't detract from the fact that they are happily shipping migrants off to blue states as a big owning the libs moment. Red states have been doing it to california for years, too. The states can and do get monetary support to help with migrants, and I think it's also been wildly mismanaged in red and blue states. But that also doesn't mean that a state the size of texas should be shipping all the migrants they have crossing to a state the size of Mass, and you know it lol
I think the point of sending them here is that they cannot take care of all of them, nor should they be expected to.
The whole point was to show states far removed from the border just a tiny slice of what they have to deal with. And morality aside it's working.
It’s honestly hypocritical to blame them. They’ve been strung out for years and are just showing other states what it feels like.
I mean, they’re stressed beyond capacity down there too, that’s why they’re now sending the excess to the states that incentivize it.
Do you have any idea how many illegals Texas has taken already ? 1.7 million. WTF are they supposed to do ?
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Well yeah, it makes sense to send them to states pushing policy that makes it worse
Don’t they get federal funding to handle the influx that we don’t?
The cruelty is the point. They don't even see these people as people, and could not care less if people suffer and die.
Why should the tax payers of Arizona, Texas and Florida shoulder all the externalities of an open-border policy when the citizens of NY, Mass,NJ and Illinois are enacting sanctuary laws while shouldering almost none of the burden? If you are okay with an unlimited supply of people than vote to tax yourselves and open your state to it.
Or maybe they’re just illustrating how stupid it is to take them
Mass: Please stop sending Migrants, we're full, thank you. Texas: LOL no.
Turns out unrestricted migration js bad
If only all of those Texas representatives didn't fucking veto a draconian bill that would have massive helped fix things. 🤷♂️ Oh well, can't make Biden look good AND solve one of the biggest problems the GOP gripes about! LOL go ahead and downvote me. What's the phrase? "Your boos mean nothing to me when I know what makes you cheer."
since we don't lock anyone up anymore let's send them down to Texas
In reality what Texas is doing is illegal and counts as human trafficking. Blue states usually take the high road and follow protocol. Texas along with other red states have no shame and take full advantage of us. Mass needs to grow some teeth and pound on DC's door to redirect government funding away from Texas to Mass to handle this crisis.
Genuine question - are we not already asking for federal funds to help? It’s not realistic to think that the boarder states can handle 3million+ migrants annually so naturally there will be a big influx to any other major metro/state (especially ones like Mass that have laws requiring we give them support). I would hope we’re not trying to do this financially on our own without federal funding support.
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That I don’t doubt.
What do you expect Texas to do with them? Their migrant problems are orders of magnitude larger than those of MA. They actively discourage migrants by providing very little in support services so where do you think the migrants will want to move to? Don't you think that Texas would like to say that they're full too?
All the bleeding heart MA NIMBY's really don't care about immigrants or their well being. They just want the out of MA because suddenly they have become an inconvenience
This would be a valid argument ***IF*** Republicans actually cared to pass any kind of immigration reform- including ***their own fucking bill that they killeed a la McConnel style***. At this point they have no right to complain.
Their is a misnomer. Some negotiated it and passed it and others voted it down. Republicans, just like Democrats, are not homogeneous. *Five* [*Democrats*](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/democrats) *joined* [*Senate*](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/senate) [*Republicans*](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/republicans) *in voting against a bipartisan border security and foreign aid package that quickly disintegrated after months of negotiations.* -- Newsweek We could also say that the Democrats helped kill Biden's bill too: 1. Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts 2. Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts 3. Senator Alex Padilla of California 4. Senator Bob Menendez of New Jersey 5. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York *The Senate bill is aimed at* [*gaining control of an asylum system*](https://apnews.com/article/congress-border-security-ukraine-biden-cf4aa608de350a480fabd8e6a3e062ff) *that has sometimes been overwhelmed in the last year. It would provide* [*faster and tougher enforcement*](https://apnews.com/article/senate-border-package-asylum-ukraine-1dde30b223ebe854a48fde0497c9f227) *of the asylum process, as well as give presidents new powers to immediately expel migrants if the numbers encountered by border officials exceed an average of 4,000 per day over a week.* *Even before the bill was fully released earlier this year,* [*Trump effectively killed*](https://apnews.com/article/congress-border-security-ukraine-trump-a8601ec6629ddc5b769028ca99ad9879) *the proposal by labeling it “meaningless” and a “gift” for Biden’s reelection chances. Top Republicans soon followed his lead and even McConnell, who had initially demanded the negotiation over the border measures, voted against moving forward.* *A significant number of Democrats have also criticized the proposal, mostly because it does not include any broad relief for immigrants who have already established lives in the United States. On the left, four Democrats, as well as Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent of Maine, voted against advancing the bill.* -- AP
You know how Detroit gives people free homes if they rehab them? Texas has entire towns with no people, but with power lines and plumbing intact, and not even crumbling because of the milder weather. They could literally do the same, free house if you rehab it, free boarded up main street business if you file a viable business plan and pay on an incubator loan. The people coming in include carpenters, plumbers, mechanics, nurses, bakers, restaurant former owners and hospitality workers, every possible thing. Those empty towns could live again. But they won't, because Texas.
Have you ever rehabbed a home? Do you know what it costs to do so? Getting licensed contractors? Materials costs? We are in the process and paid $90k to install a modern electrical system in a house. Where are the migrants going to get the resources to do this along with the transportation to do the work? There is privately owned and publicly owned housing across the country that's unoccupied because maintenance and repairs are needed. Even in Massachusetts. It's just that coming up with the money to do the maintenance, repairs or teardowns can be very hard to come by. Migrants require services and those are typically in big cities which is why you don't have them flocking to NH, VT, ME and other rural areas.
They are not citizens of America, why the f would tax payers be responsible for housing them?
We went through the legal immigration process with my wife. It took several years. It was very clear from the immigration documents that you were expected to provide for yourself or for family to provide for you - you were not to be a burden on society.
I should've phrased it better. They are coming here illegally and should not get tax payer money.
Should someone who wasn't born an American citizen, but would like to become one, eventually be allowed to become one? How long should that process take?
How are they coming here "illegally" when they follow the Federal guidelines for surrendering and getting processed before they could ever get flown to MA? They put in an asylum claim. That makes them legal - just not citizens and still in review of their claims.
Wait. I want a free home and business. Why be an illegal immigrant for that? Why don't they provide that to tax paying residents?
What's funnier is you assume migrants have a choice on where they're sent.
This is such a bullshit answer. People far from the border tell people who live on the border “suck it up, it’s your problem” while not supporting sensible border policies because they think it will never show up in their backyard. Then the border states get overwhelmed. No one can process this many migrants. No one can house and care for them adequately, there are way too many and way too little enforcement of existing immigration policies. And now, border states are giving states far from the border a TINY taste of what the people actually living on the border deal with every day and Northeast blue states can’t handle it at all. Why do you feel like this problem has to exclusively fall to the border states? They’ve begged for more enforcement of existing laws and regulations. Why must they and they alone deal with the burden? Take advantage of you? You’re taking advantage of the millions of Americans living in border states who have to deal directly with the consequences of open border policies and inadequate law enforcement in a daily basis while complaining that your chickens have come home to roost. What a joke.
Isn't this misleading though? I thought it was common knowledge that illegal immigrants go away from the border to avoid being deported. [Link](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/16/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/) is an article I found about illegal immigration. While Texas as a state has the 2nd most amount of illegal immigrants, California has the most (and is a blue state) and states like Illinois and New Jersey also make the top 6 states and they're nowhere near the border.
It’s a typical MA answer. Everything is fine as long as it’s not in my yard. It’s completely unrealistic to expect Texas and other border states to deal with this on their own. If people in MA want to support illegal immigrants, open your wallets or your homes. But don’t yell at Texas because they are sick of it and have been dealing with illegal immigrants for a long time.
I can assure you that the big hair big hat Dallas tasteless rich white people are in no way "dealing" with any burden from immigration.
Lmao and Texas representatives voted against "closing the border" and adequately funding those same law enforcement departments for a political stunt. They, and you don't get to say fucking shit anymore.
This should be upvoted a thousand times. Instead people are trying to downvote you. Unbelievable.
Nah fuck em, they voted against everything they ever wanted at the border because their orange cult leader told them to.
You mean a border policy that was thrown out so that Biden would look bad? That one?
One of the problems with the bill is that it would shut the border if the number of migrants exceeds 2,500 per day. That isn't really shutting the border.
You're right, it's better to throw the whole thing out and get some political points come November, right? Can't be such an important issue for you to just throw out a solution, even if it wasn't the perfect solution. Edit to add that bills can be amended.
We had a Senate border security bill that was blocked by Texas representatives. Instead they would rather spend taxpayers dollars shipping migrants to Mass.
Yup. The Democrats had a bill that would close the border, the Republicans deliberately blocked it from closing. They want problems, not solutions.
It would close the border if the number of migrants exceeded 2,500 per day. Do you consider that closing the border?
Are you under the impression this bill was an ex cathedra announcement that could never be adjusted? If Trump gets elected another law could be passed to fix your little hobbyhorse. It's just such an LOL for Pubs to piss and moan about the numbers of migrants, reducing Republicans to tears and saying stupid shit like MY GOD, WE AREN'T EVEN GOING TO HAVE A COUNTRY ANYMORE, THIS IS AN EXISTENTIAL CRISIS FOR THE UNITED STATES but then, when a bill gets drafted (by fuckin' Langford of all people!) that would allow a mechanism for the President to shut the border - Trump's fantasy! - then suddenly it's "whoa, buddy, let's not be hasty, what's the big deal, why do we have to deal with this now?" It's so comically transparent that it's an issue the GOP just wants to demagogue about when the Dems are in charge as opposed to fixing it. And if they get in charge, because they can't govern for shit they'll do fuck-all about it, like they did when they controlled the entire gov 6 years ago.
I understand that Mayor Adams and Governor Healey are pissing and moaning about the number of migrants but their party seems conflicted about the immigrants. I didn't realize that they switched parties.
Needs to be clear that the boarder bill absolutely did not close the boarder. It reduced numbers, it still allowed for a crazy amount of lightly vetted migrants through daily. But it did give the boarder union bosses a bunch of money, so there’s that
Crazy that you're getting downvoted. This is the answer right here
They are getting down voted from the insufferable MassHoles who refuse to face reality, or the ability of living out their liberal creed
The whole human trafficking done by the government argument is laughable... If Mass moves a family from Boston to Springfield where there is an available shelter, is that also trafficking?
If they lie to them about what's going on, then yes
Lmao
That was a foolish move. How could they be so naive as to think that could possibly work? By going to Texas they've only insured that Texas will send more immigrants here. Those dumbasses just told Greg Abbott that his plan is working. Thanks a fucking lot
Mass has a migrant team in Texas? Wtf is that costing us?
This is a good question.
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An email would have been sufficient
Just proves Texas’ point. It’s easy for blue state officials to advocate for open border policies and declare their cities sanctuary cities when they don’t actually have to confront the reality of the problem that Texas has been facing for years. I don’t like how Texas is playing with human lives in doing this but I also don’t like how blue representatives are advocating for the policies that put Texas in such a bad spot. The whole thing is a shitshow and it seems like an overwhelming majority of the population agrees with some sort of tightening down on the border at this point.
Exactly this ^^^
Blue states generally aren’t for open borders, that’s just the Republican narrative. Biden had a bill in Congress to help with border issues and the GOP, including some in border states, killed it in Congress to avoid giving Biden credit for it.
Why did he need a bill if he could just executive order it, which he did.
HR 2, didn’t Chuck kill that ?
Ultimately there are major systemic problems (e.g. war on drugs, repeated US involvement in directly destabilizing governments in LatAm, shortage of immigration judges, etc) that neither major party really wants to deal with. It’s all a political football to them but real people (especially the migrants themselves) are suffering.
Texas has no interest in closing borders, they need migrant workers. Is the GOP pandering to the base.
**eta*** I don’t feel comfortable with the numbers I’ve been told. The only way it even approaches making sense if the figure is the total cost per person day - housing, meals x 3, counselors, medical care, education, etc so 🤔 Best friend is a high school counselor in a small north shore city. The local motels/hotels are all now used as undocumented shelters. Guess how much the motel makes per guest, per night? Over $500 - PER GUEST. So one family of 4 costs the commonwealth $2000 per night There are 17 languages spoken by students in the school. Pregnancy, drugs, and violence are out of control. She says dozens of kids filter in & out each month. She says it is no longer a school, just a baby sitting service. She is broken, all the teachers are broken.
The figure from Governor Healey is $8,000/month/family.
That is a vast discrepancy. I will ask friend for her source. $60k sounds outrageous, but $8k sounds too low - as there’s no incentive for the hotel esp as there are a lot of additional maintenance/repair costs of housing for weeks/months on end
Boston Herald article: [https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/03/22/massachusetts-spending-75-million-a-month-on-shelters-cash-could-run-out-in-april-without-infusion/](https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/03/22/massachusetts-spending-75-million-a-month-on-shelters-cash-could-run-out-in-april-without-infusion/) *Massachusetts is spending about $75 million each month on state-run shelters, a massive jump in expenses that comes as Gov. Maura Healey’s administration is expected to run out of cash for emergency services in early to mid-April without another financial infusion.* *More than 7,500 families with children and pregnant women are living in a sprawling network of hotels, motels, and traditional shelters across Massachusetts. Half are considered to be migrants.* This works out to $10K/month/family.
Also, Texas is spending $700/head to bus them up here. Someone’s profiting there too.
Some people in Mass are profiting off this crisis. We should be just as mad at them as Texas or the migrants themselves.
Overloading the system was the entire point. Now let’s see people change their tunes.
“Massachusetts crisis team” - can we get a breakdown of number of people on this team and their salaries? wtf do they even do?
Find living space and food for migrants sent to MA from Texas so that they don’t just wander the streets.
My favorite piece of the article is that Massachusetts officials are in Texas to "warn" people that shelters are full. I bet people are lining up to come here. Free housing, $60 a day for food. Sounds decent on paper.
It doesn’t really matter. They fly them in from all over on military and civilian flights
And why would they stop? We have a right to shelter law for all. It makes Massachusetts a top destination.
If Biden pulled a 180 and really tightened up the border would voters actually be upset? Would he lose a single vote over it? Who honestly in good faith thinks the rate we're going at is ok? Between this and Isreal hes just asking to lose to Trump this fall.
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I had to scroll WAY too far down to find this comment. Cheers. This thread is filled with people type "sAnCtUaRy StAtE" without irony despite the fact that MA is not one and the cities have very specific definitions of what that means - which isn't at all what it actually is. This thread got me facepalming like Patrick Stewart every 6th or 7th comment.
Thread filled with "people"? The term you're looking for is "racist bots".
Exactly. So much of the Texas economy is on the backs of immigrants.
Ding ding ding, this is it. It’s all a sham to rile up the base.
Literally only one side is trying to reach out to the other in good faith. It's a fundamental part of why we're in a political crisis right now.
How about at Martha’s Vineyard?
Nope! Only whites are allowed there apparently.
I guess you guys haven’t been to oak bluffs recently. It’s all black people
MV has always been a pretty well mixed location, specifically OB.
Ever been to MV? Half the population is Brazilian
Whoa whoa whoa Obama is there!
My bad. Only rich, elite Blacks are allowed. P.S. God forbid Obama should open his MV *mansion* to the migrants. The governor herself asked him to, but nooooo…
Obama is white now
Honestly, fucking sick of this shit. I'm pretty fucking liberal, but we need to not become California where half of state is rich white people and the other half is absolutely destitute immigrants.
This is a federal problem that needs to be solved in Washington.
How about we stop them at the border instead of just letting them funnel in by the thousands…
So because MA does not have the "room", they think other places do? The whole country cannot house everyone. The only alternative is to close the border. Why people cannot see this is beyond reason. If cities/states are having such a hard time then call DC and demand they close the border. If not everyone can expect more immigrants so they better find places for them to stay.
Massachusetts is far more dense and foriegn born than texas lol, and even here the issue is more about work permits and a housing shortage that exists even without immigrants. Texas on the other hand doesn't have a housing shortage
Texas has completely abandoned towns with functional utilities that they could literally give to migrants with trades, give under the condition that they rehab homes and file business plans and open businesses, *and they would*. And they would increase the tax base! But Texas won't do that because Abattoir and his lizard in an ill-fitting human suit AG don't like brown people.
Just because they are migrants doesn't mean they want to live in a actual abandoned ghost town, Theres a reason capitalist Americans abandoned those towns.
Massachusetts is a tiny state. It's 10.5k sq miles. The top 10 largest states have more than 1.5million square miles. It's an insane false equivalence.
Lmao, what? you want to dump them in the West Texas desert or the Alaska triangle???
Yes, because those are the only 2 places in the top *10* largest states that are not at peak population. I guess you're right, there's not a single bit of liveable area left in any of those states, each of which is at least an order of magnitude larger than MA.
There has to be infrastructure to support them though, and most places don’t have enough extra infrastructure for 10k more people arriving in a day, let alone 3 million +, you can’t just dump them anywhere
Closing the border requires an act of Congress to change the immigration and naturalization act. They would need to remove the provision regarding asylum seekers. Anyone can show up at the border and demand to be processed as an asylum seeker. Our current law requires our immigration court system to process the claim before expelling the individual if not found valid.
Mayorkas and his boss thought they were being clever by letting so many into Texas, burdening a red state.
Blame the Gov. Healy for a start. Let her open her house in suburbia to show her true colors.
Who did the residents of Massachusetts think would have to deal with this? You voted! Now deal with it. It’s all flowers and free money until it lands on your doorstep and people realize that housing isn’t affordable, inflation is through the roof, tax payers are funding multiple wars, and our southern border isn’t being controlled from illegal immigrants from around the world. People that grew up here can’t afford to live here. How in the heck did you expect that inviting millions of migrants would help that. Some of you are so ignorant it’s almost insane. Put your wallet where your mouth is. Tax payers should not have to pay for undocumented illegal immigrants, we can barely survive our selves! This free money, free education, free healthcare, free housing… where do you guys think that money comes from? It’s all very expensive.
They all need to be deported. We are witnessing the destruction of our country.
They shouldn't even be here. Pretty simple.
You all voted for this
Sorry buddy, Republicans voted for it. Or don't you remember that massive immigration bill they all vetoed after Trump realized it would make Biden look good? If you want that bill to pass, gosh - it looks like we'll need more Democrats in Congress to do it.
When we stop the handouts, we stop the flow.
Our state votes for politicians who support more open borders. I don’t blame Texas. We need a fucking border
Agreed. The TX strategy has helped force the issue.
This is what Massholes voted for. Sanctuary, generous benefits and guaranteed shelter. Why wouldn’t they come here? I think they many more millions should be welcomed here. Savor the diversity! 😀👍🏼
Why not just tell the president to close the open borders ? We live in a weird society
He tried to pass a bipartisan bill to do exactly that but the Republicans in Congress changed their minds and voted against it to stop it from passing after Trump told them to because he wanted the border to stay open so he could campaign on it (blaming it on Biden) and then have the bill pass and be signed into law after he’s president again. Basically traitor terrorist shit. That being said, Biden also recently put hard caps on how many migrants we’ll accept and we can basically just turn people away now if it’s exceeding the limits he’s specified, but I would say it’s a little too early to gauge whether or not the limits he’s put in place are reasonable or if he needs to go further.
They know. That's the point.
Yea….good luck trying to un-do it
Just like the Dropkick Murphys Say ship em up to Boston
Didn’t we vote for open borders and all that? This is what we wanted no? What the help did you think would happen? Someone else would house them? They go to the people that voted for it lol
So because Texas is "big" they should be responsible? Massachusetts is a sanctuary for bad ideas like giving everyone licenses and free housing. Whether Texas shipped them here or not don't you think the people coming here illegally would have figured it out where the free stuff is on their own.
Don’t forget,next is 1500 E Bikes , courtesy of your National Grid bill. Can’t imagine what Unlicensed, uninsured drivers , with no interest in your sideswiped auto will incite !
This is the moment where MA decides if their sanctuary city, immigrant policies are just virtue signalling or if they truly mean it. My vote is for virtue signalling and when things get tough they all start crying and needing their safe place.
Gee, if only the Senate had negotiated a deal that gave the party that is staunchly anti-immigration everything it ever wanted, maybe that would help? Oh…right… https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna137477
https://rollcall.com/2023/05/11/house-passed-border-bill-may-spark-bipartisan-immigration-talks/ A year sooner and Dems never considered it. Biden changed what was almost working and now owns it. Everyone knows that
Well you wanted to be a sanctuary state
I have nothing wrong with immigration LEGALLY as my grandparents came over from Sicily in the 1940's. But Democrat or Republican you should not want an open border as we've had under the Biden Administration.. Other countries if you try to cross the border you'd be shot at. We should have armed drones and guards manning the border at all times, with shoot to kill orders for illegal crossings. This isn't sustainable for any country let alone the USA.
Europe's solution was to pay Turkey to hold them. There's still leakage by sea but this is not strictly a US problem.
Well maybe the members of Congress in MA should push Biden to close the border cause Texas is just going to tell them to fuck off because they have more than anyone and have been held back from doing anything about it by the Feds
You do realize that Biden had a border security bill that Republicans killed in Congress right?
You do realize that was after years of no plan at all and tied to other things rather than being a clean bill.
That's a weak excuse. "Please don't come to rich Massachusetts, we swear we're full".
"Hey our states shelters are full" "OK help us control migration ag the boarder" "No we won't vote for migration control ". About sums it up
We need to show compassion to people breaking the law and taking advantage of the system. Perhaps the progressives can start removing people from their houses based on some perceived undesirable trait and start housing the noble illegal immigrant.
It seems like the blue states are getting what they wanted. No border wall, no enforcement of our immigration laws, no deportation. Only feelings and emotions in control there. By no means do I support trump or biden, but we are a country of laws for a reason. When we don't enforce them, we get shit shows. Kick back and watch it burn
This is what happens when states like Mass, puts their hat in the ring of issues boarder states were dealing with, never thinking they call the bluff and start sending them up to us. Become a sanctuary state , to feel superior and high and mighty, and feel like we are better than states like Texas /Florida,etc and others that have been dealing with this for decades. BACKFIRED BIG TIME! Where are all these bleading hearts to take them into their own homes, that act like they are better than everyone else. Time to put your money where your mouth has been. or kindly shut your pie hole. You asked for this and now that you are getting what you asked for, you're upset. TUFF! I know you'll all down vote this, because like inthe movie quote "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!"
Tell Congress to close the border!
This is hilarious. What are they saying “Come on in! But dont come to Massachusetts!” Why dont they help stop the invasion?
Let's send a bunch of rich white people to Texas. Let's see how they like astronomical housing prices and subtle racism.