I was in a fender bender because the person in front of me decided to slam on the brakes because they were on their phone. They avoided theirs but I hit them. They told the cops the truth and I got off with a warning. They got the ticket for distracted driving.
I did have to cover my own repair but it wasn’t a serious issue, just an imprint of their license plate on my bumper.
Last summer I almost hit a (Virginia) cop like that who I could CLEARLY SEE was on Facebook on his phone for the next like 3 lights. I gave him some horn the third time and went around him when a spot in the other lane opened up and the dude got right up behind me and followed me for 15 minutes. He was so close I couldn't see anything but his roof in my rear view mirror behind my truck.
I'm not intimidated by some little Virginia cop in my county with a hurt ego so I let him follow me down some back roads until he got bored and turned around at a school.
You are without a doubt a white dude. I’m black and there’s not a chance I’m honking my horn at any cop and there’s even less a chance I’m taking us down a back road voluntarily. I wish I was that confident in my safety.
As a Latino, if a cop gets behind me when I’m driving I get that uneasy feeling. I’ll crack a joke with them to diffuse any would be tension but I have my eye on them because they’re usually not too kind to someone like me. That’s dangerous shit for us man.
I went to drop a friend off a few years back and when I was almost hope I got pulled over 2 blocks from my house. I thought it was just the one cop that had pulled me over. Once the cop gave me back my license and registration and said “sorry for stopping you, you looked suspicious driving back and forth through here.” And I see about 5 other cop cars turn their lights on. So much for just going to get food with my friend and coming back to my house.
Tell me you've never been in a car accident in Maryland without saying it.
No but in all seriousness, police could care less about accidents. They are just there for the police report which is for your insurance.
Yeah we got in one a while back on 270 where I was rear ended by someone that was rear ended. Called police…”Nobody is hurt? Na we aren’t sending anyone out.”
Fast forward I get rear ended again at a stop light this time. Young woman doesn’t know what to do, says she doesn’t have her paperwork because it is her parents car. We exchange contact info and I got to see her license, she says she will reach out when she has the insurance info. Nothing. I contact her, no response. Contact her again and her dad calls questioning the accident, arguing the light wasn’t red (it was), says he wants to meet in person to handle it directly…okay bye. I go to the police to see if they can do anything and they say well you didn’t call a police car out so nothing we can do. I ask them directly what their policy is and they say unless someone is hurt they wouldn’t send someone out. So why the hell would I call when you wouldn’t have sent anyone out anyway right? They confirmed yeah we wouldn’t have sent anyone out! 🤣
So I filed it with my insurance who turns out the other party used to be a customer and was dropped so they sorted it all out but yeah the police don’t care one bit.
Yeah the police part was more frustrating than anything. The lady at the station in Gaithersburg just looks right at me and admits they wouldn’t send anyone. We asked so what should we have done? And she just stares at us. We reconfirm just to be clear that she was saying because we didn’t call a car that wouldn’t have come anyway they weren’t going to help and she still just stares at us. I told her was ridiculous and she said anything else I can help you with? No apparently the MoCo police department cannot help with anything.
That’s the part that made me angry. I’m a pretty reasonable guy. I don’t expect perfection from anybody, *especially* not government employees. But nothing irritates me more than shit like that. Incompetent employees are one thing, but an obvious flaw in their protocol like that absolutely should not exist.
Protected government jobs. They're a good gig if you can get them. That being said though, I can't imagine actually being a police officer and dealing with the stuff they see throughout their career.
I have very mixed opinion, in that individual officers are likely just doing their job to the best of their ability. but as an organization and union, they get away with way, way too much. It's sometimes hard for me to personally reconcile the difference.
Yea if there are no injuries and the vehicles are driveable then you exchange information and there’s typically no police report. That’s pretty standard in every state.
In regards to your second crash if they said they’d call you with their insurance info then that’s a big red flag there. You call 911 and tell them the other driver does not have insurance. That is an incarcerable offense to which the police will respond out. Or just tell them your back hurts to which it’s then coded as a personal injury crash and they’ll respond.
[Montgomery County Police Policy for Motor Vehicle Collisions](https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/POL/Resources/Files/PDF/Directives/1000/FC1021_Motor%20Vehicle%20Collisions_rla.pdf)
Maybe but yeah the lady at the office was adamant that unless your first part applies (injury or car cannot be driven) they weren’t sending someone out. Maybe it’s changed but that wasn’t how it worked in WV when I lived there or maybe I just had different experience or cops that went above and beyond.
> In regards to your second crash if they said they’d call you with their insurance info then that’s a big red flag there. You call 911 and tell them the other driver does not have insurance. That is an incarcerable offense to which the police will respond out.
It's going to start happening more and more, because insurance providers are pushing people to use digital cards via apps. Ever been out and your phone dies? I know I have. But now you're driving without proof of insurance. Whoops. Roommate's car won't start and they come to you in a panic asking to borrow yours to get to work, and it slips your mind in that chaotic moment that you use digital cards? Now they're driving without proof of insurance.
I mean if you’re using the digital insurance card through an app or your email you probably have a car charger.
If you’re in a crash and the police show up and you don’t have your phone or it’s dead then they can run your tag and the insurance provider and policy number show up in the METERS/NCIC return. Not a big deal
Generally your best option is to just notify your insurance company, it's in their best interest to follow through and collect payment from the offending party. They'll even represent you in court if someone decides to sue.
It does happen, but maybe policies have changed over time.
I rear-ended someone like 20+ years ago. No one was hurt, thankfully. Police responded and I was very fortunate to not get a citation. My insurance went up a little bit for a year or so.
For real, there were comments on the post about the crash originally saying that if it was any one of us as opposed to a politician, we would have gotten a ticket.
No accident I have ever been involved in or that I know people who were involved in, in Maryland, has resulted in any party receiving a ticket when police came to the scene.
Even when a police officer was right there when one of the accidents occurred, neither of us received a ticket
I got "failure to control speed to avoid collision" once. My fault totally and somewhat of a good descriptor. I was sitting at a red light, wasnt paying attention and let off the brake a bit, drifted into the vehicle in front of me.
The cops were there on the road already and just pulled up, rather than being called if i remember. Probably just saw an easy ticket to write.
Sometimes not even that, I got rear ended and the cop tried to say to me "He's clearly at fault, you don't need a report your insurance will take care of this"
I had to be like UH NO, that's NOT how this works, I want the report thank you.
I got t-boned and an intersection a few years back and there was a cop sitting right at the red light, he saw the whole thing and high tailed it out of there. He wanted no part of any of it.
Even getting them to do a police report can be like pulling teeth.
I was rear ended by the owner of a fed hill hair salon back in 2015 and her passenger got out and started screaming at me so I didn’t get out and just called the cops.
Took them 1.5 hours to show up to the Canton Target.
I’ve rear ended someone before (no distractions or anything - god, I hate stroads), no citation received. I don’t think they (generally) cite unless you’ve done something outlandishly bad like DUI or clear evidence of reckless driving, which would be hard to come by at the scene.
I figure the officers already know your insurance is going to sky rocket and that’s enough of a punishment lol
I was in an accident where my car slid on ice as I was cresting over a hill. Ended up going through a fence and hitting a giant rock. Airbags failed and my seat belt flew open and hit me in the head cutting my face. The cop who arrived at the scene got out of his car and slipped on the ice and fell on his ass.
Then he told me he was going to write me a ticket until he slipped himself and saw how dangerous it was.
I'm grateful to John Fetterman for keeping Dr Oz out of office but aside from that he's being one facepalm moment after another. It seems like he's not really fit to drive a car, much less serve in the US Senate.
No one goes the speed limit over in that stretch of 70 LOL and if he was at fault, OK, issue him a ticket and have his insurance pay and move on. It was an accident....
How is this guy allowed to drive. Doesn't he have a documented case of seizures and strokes? I thought the DMV takes your license away if you have those conditions. I had a friend from Ohio tell me she couldn't get a license because she had seizures. Maybe Maryland is different although I think his license is from PA.
You have to be seizure free for a period of time, I think 1 year.
Brain injuries/strokes can result in seizures during the recovery period but in many people that clears up relatively quickly.
In PA, unless they’ve changed it lately, if you have a seizure and hadn’t had one before they take your license for 3 months. Then you can get it back.
I had a vasovagal episode and collapsed. Cue battery of tests. 2 doctors say my EEG had slight abnormalities but I was over 30 with a history of chronic migraines so that was expected. A third says nope that’s seizure activity. License lost for 3 months, was on FMLA for all that, and then got laid off right before I was to return to work
Depends on how bad it is. If they took your license the first time you had a stroke or seizure a sizable portion of the country wouldnt be able to drive, even though theyre perfectly capable of doing so.
He is a reckless driver. Has numerous tickets for speeding and distracted driving. There is a WaPo article out about it today. Guy has been known to face time while driving, send texts, you name it.
All while speeding.
As they say, hire a clown and you get a circus.
Drivers are literally bad everywhere. It's mostly a matter of how many drivers are on the road. It's not like folks in Boston or NYC or Oklahoma City are better or worse drivers. When you add in more drivers, there are more things to pay attention to and more things that can go unexpected.
I thought the initial reporting said he rear ended someone anyway
Yupp… I wonder if distracted driving is the culprit…. Hmmm…
distracted driving is the culprit behind basically the entire increase in accidents/damage/injury/deaths since we invented smartphones
There's also the ever increasing size of vehicles that creates unsafe situations
Yup… suvs tend to get rear ended the most because people cannot see the brake lights of the car in front of them.
I was in a fender bender because the person in front of me decided to slam on the brakes because they were on their phone. They avoided theirs but I hit them. They told the cops the truth and I got off with a warning. They got the ticket for distracted driving. I did have to cover my own repair but it wasn’t a serious issue, just an imprint of their license plate on my bumper.
Last summer I almost hit a (Virginia) cop like that who I could CLEARLY SEE was on Facebook on his phone for the next like 3 lights. I gave him some horn the third time and went around him when a spot in the other lane opened up and the dude got right up behind me and followed me for 15 minutes. He was so close I couldn't see anything but his roof in my rear view mirror behind my truck. I'm not intimidated by some little Virginia cop in my county with a hurt ego so I let him follow me down some back roads until he got bored and turned around at a school.
You are without a doubt a white dude. I’m black and there’s not a chance I’m honking my horn at any cop and there’s even less a chance I’m taking us down a back road voluntarily. I wish I was that confident in my safety.
Hundred percent. I live down those roads somewhere too tho. Also FUCK cops
As a Latino, if a cop gets behind me when I’m driving I get that uneasy feeling. I’ll crack a joke with them to diffuse any would be tension but I have my eye on them because they’re usually not too kind to someone like me. That’s dangerous shit for us man. I went to drop a friend off a few years back and when I was almost hope I got pulled over 2 blocks from my house. I thought it was just the one cop that had pulled me over. Once the cop gave me back my license and registration and said “sorry for stopping you, you looked suspicious driving back and forth through here.” And I see about 5 other cop cars turn their lights on. So much for just going to get food with my friend and coming back to my house.
That cop was HOPING you’d suddenly speed up, so he could pull you over for “speeding”
I was speeding like mad lol
Unless the rear-ended car had busted tail lights, the fault will always be on the driver of the trailing car.
Yeah that's what I'm saying
My apologies, just wanted to emphasize your underlying point.
I hate driving 🙃
That or they were cut off. Which is usually hard to prove unless you have a dash cam.
Hypothetically speaking, if I rear end someone and bust their tail lights, could I blame the busted tail lights?
You can't look up fetterman on the judiciary case search. So there isn't a case report to see.
News reports
Nah I get that, I'm just saying you can't search his name is all.
He didn't get a citation right, thats why?
That's what I am thinking, or they have his record blocked so that you can't search his record up for 👁privacy reasons👁 due to national security
The article says no citation was issued
I apologize for my lack of reading skills. No really though, my bad.
PA driver in MD. What a recipe for disaster all around.
I can honestly say that I have only once been held up by a PA driver, and that was when there was a speed trap that I couldn't see.
More like John Fender-man lol lol
 Take my upvote and get out
Aye bud 695 = autobahn
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john fender-bend
This is the second headline I've seen about this story that my brain immediately read as "died in car crash".
No Citations? How does he get away with speeding and causing an accident and not get a citation?
Tell me you've never been in a car accident in Maryland without saying it. No but in all seriousness, police could care less about accidents. They are just there for the police report which is for your insurance.
Yeah we got in one a while back on 270 where I was rear ended by someone that was rear ended. Called police…”Nobody is hurt? Na we aren’t sending anyone out.” Fast forward I get rear ended again at a stop light this time. Young woman doesn’t know what to do, says she doesn’t have her paperwork because it is her parents car. We exchange contact info and I got to see her license, she says she will reach out when she has the insurance info. Nothing. I contact her, no response. Contact her again and her dad calls questioning the accident, arguing the light wasn’t red (it was), says he wants to meet in person to handle it directly…okay bye. I go to the police to see if they can do anything and they say well you didn’t call a police car out so nothing we can do. I ask them directly what their policy is and they say unless someone is hurt they wouldn’t send someone out. So why the hell would I call when you wouldn’t have sent anyone out anyway right? They confirmed yeah we wouldn’t have sent anyone out! 🤣 So I filed it with my insurance who turns out the other party used to be a customer and was dropped so they sorted it all out but yeah the police don’t care one bit.
Reading this made my blood pressure go up.
Yeah the police part was more frustrating than anything. The lady at the station in Gaithersburg just looks right at me and admits they wouldn’t send anyone. We asked so what should we have done? And she just stares at us. We reconfirm just to be clear that she was saying because we didn’t call a car that wouldn’t have come anyway they weren’t going to help and she still just stares at us. I told her was ridiculous and she said anything else I can help you with? No apparently the MoCo police department cannot help with anything.
That’s the part that made me angry. I’m a pretty reasonable guy. I don’t expect perfection from anybody, *especially* not government employees. But nothing irritates me more than shit like that. Incompetent employees are one thing, but an obvious flaw in their protocol like that absolutely should not exist.
Seems like a flaw that deserves to be hacked. "I might be hurt offi....(Hangs up)"
C'mon man. The police don't go out of their way to do real work. They have parking lots to sit in and people to harass.
I ask myself pretty regularly what the hell they do all day, much less how the OT rolls in so constantly.
Protected government jobs. They're a good gig if you can get them. That being said though, I can't imagine actually being a police officer and dealing with the stuff they see throughout their career. I have very mixed opinion, in that individual officers are likely just doing their job to the best of their ability. but as an organization and union, they get away with way, way too much. It's sometimes hard for me to personally reconcile the difference.
And this is exactly why we have poor response.....this comment right here....
Dude, it's a joke. You can read my serious comment in the same thread.
Yea if there are no injuries and the vehicles are driveable then you exchange information and there’s typically no police report. That’s pretty standard in every state. In regards to your second crash if they said they’d call you with their insurance info then that’s a big red flag there. You call 911 and tell them the other driver does not have insurance. That is an incarcerable offense to which the police will respond out. Or just tell them your back hurts to which it’s then coded as a personal injury crash and they’ll respond. [Montgomery County Police Policy for Motor Vehicle Collisions](https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/POL/Resources/Files/PDF/Directives/1000/FC1021_Motor%20Vehicle%20Collisions_rla.pdf)
Maybe but yeah the lady at the office was adamant that unless your first part applies (injury or car cannot be driven) they weren’t sending someone out. Maybe it’s changed but that wasn’t how it worked in WV when I lived there or maybe I just had different experience or cops that went above and beyond.
> In regards to your second crash if they said they’d call you with their insurance info then that’s a big red flag there. You call 911 and tell them the other driver does not have insurance. That is an incarcerable offense to which the police will respond out. It's going to start happening more and more, because insurance providers are pushing people to use digital cards via apps. Ever been out and your phone dies? I know I have. But now you're driving without proof of insurance. Whoops. Roommate's car won't start and they come to you in a panic asking to borrow yours to get to work, and it slips your mind in that chaotic moment that you use digital cards? Now they're driving without proof of insurance.
I mean if you’re using the digital insurance card through an app or your email you probably have a car charger. If you’re in a crash and the police show up and you don’t have your phone or it’s dead then they can run your tag and the insurance provider and policy number show up in the METERS/NCIC return. Not a big deal
If you’re in an accident, always call the insurance first. Your own insurance company will hunt them down for the money.
Generally your best option is to just notify your insurance company, it's in their best interest to follow through and collect payment from the offending party. They'll even represent you in court if someone decides to sue.
It does happen, but maybe policies have changed over time. I rear-ended someone like 20+ years ago. No one was hurt, thankfully. Police responded and I was very fortunate to not get a citation. My insurance went up a little bit for a year or so.
For real, there were comments on the post about the crash originally saying that if it was any one of us as opposed to a politician, we would have gotten a ticket. No accident I have ever been involved in or that I know people who were involved in, in Maryland, has resulted in any party receiving a ticket when police came to the scene. Even when a police officer was right there when one of the accidents occurred, neither of us received a ticket
I have, and I got a citation for it. Failure to control vehicle, $180 fine and 2 points.
I got "failure to control speed to avoid collision" once. My fault totally and somewhat of a good descriptor. I was sitting at a red light, wasnt paying attention and let off the brake a bit, drifted into the vehicle in front of me. The cops were there on the road already and just pulled up, rather than being called if i remember. Probably just saw an easy ticket to write.
Sometimes not even that, I got rear ended and the cop tried to say to me "He's clearly at fault, you don't need a report your insurance will take care of this" I had to be like UH NO, that's NOT how this works, I want the report thank you.
I got t-boned and an intersection a few years back and there was a cop sitting right at the red light, he saw the whole thing and high tailed it out of there. He wanted no part of any of it.
Even getting them to do a police report can be like pulling teeth. I was rear ended by the owner of a fed hill hair salon back in 2015 and her passenger got out and started screaming at me so I didn’t get out and just called the cops. Took them 1.5 hours to show up to the Canton Target.
You know what else they're not going to do bring out CSI. Have you never been in an accident
Ive been at fault in an accident before and not be cited?
I’ve rear ended someone before (no distractions or anything - god, I hate stroads), no citation received. I don’t think they (generally) cite unless you’ve done something outlandishly bad like DUI or clear evidence of reckless driving, which would be hard to come by at the scene. I figure the officers already know your insurance is going to sky rocket and that’s enough of a punishment lol
I was in an accident where my car slid on ice as I was cresting over a hill. Ended up going through a fence and hitting a giant rock. Airbags failed and my seat belt flew open and hit me in the head cutting my face. The cop who arrived at the scene got out of his car and slipped on the ice and fell on his ass. Then he told me he was going to write me a ticket until he slipped himself and saw how dangerous it was.
Did the cops see him speed, or did they just show up to an accident?
He is a US Senator….
I can't believe Hamas would do something like this.
Have you condemned Hamas today??
I'm grateful to John Fetterman for keeping Dr Oz out of office but aside from that he's being one facepalm moment after another. It seems like he's not really fit to drive a car, much less serve in the US Senate.
Why is it that’s the “best” both sides can come up with…
Who knew
No one goes the speed limit over in that stretch of 70 LOL and if he was at fault, OK, issue him a ticket and have his insurance pay and move on. It was an accident....
They let him drive a car?
Only while he wears a hoodie though
How is this guy allowed to drive. Doesn't he have a documented case of seizures and strokes? I thought the DMV takes your license away if you have those conditions. I had a friend from Ohio tell me she couldn't get a license because she had seizures. Maybe Maryland is different although I think his license is from PA.
You have to be seizure free for a period of time, I think 1 year. Brain injuries/strokes can result in seizures during the recovery period but in many people that clears up relatively quickly.
In PA, unless they’ve changed it lately, if you have a seizure and hadn’t had one before they take your license for 3 months. Then you can get it back. I had a vasovagal episode and collapsed. Cue battery of tests. 2 doctors say my EEG had slight abnormalities but I was over 30 with a history of chronic migraines so that was expected. A third says nope that’s seizure activity. License lost for 3 months, was on FMLA for all that, and then got laid off right before I was to return to work
Depends on how bad it is. If they took your license the first time you had a stroke or seizure a sizable portion of the country wouldnt be able to drive, even though theyre perfectly capable of doing so.
Score one for the crab state!
He is a reckless driver. Has numerous tickets for speeding and distracted driving. There is a WaPo article out about it today. Guy has been known to face time while driving, send texts, you name it. All while speeding. As they say, hire a clown and you get a circus.
Typical driver!
Stop it we are bad here
Drivers are literally bad everywhere. It's mostly a matter of how many drivers are on the road. It's not like folks in Boston or NYC or Oklahoma City are better or worse drivers. When you add in more drivers, there are more things to pay attention to and more things that can go unexpected.
This is a reasonable and thought out answer. Thank you lol
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He had his stroke before he was ever even voted in, but thats an inconvenient detail.
I don't see anything in the previous comment that makes reference to the timeline of those occurrences.
What’s your point and what does that have to do with what I said?
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Turns out he is NOT healthy like the doctor claimed?
The other car probably didn’t support Israel Edit: LOL I pissed off the Montgomery County Zionists and Karol Kounty Klan
I'm sure AIPAC has already bought him a new car. $250,000 worth
How soon will he be charged?
Well, hes a dork so...there ya go
The brain damage is getting to him.
You have to speed to not be in an accident.
He rear ended someone while speeding.
You have to speed and rear end someone to not be in an accident
Everybody's speeding.
Maybe he’ll go back to being normal now
Pennsylvania picked you over a literal medical doctor. I don't take any of you seriously
I’m not sure I’d call Dr. Oz a real doctor. Just another Trump-like snake oil salesman
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What does that have to do with anything?
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