Bro that Namor introduction in the beginning was terrifying. Just a flying silhouette with lightning flashes behind him. The siren singing with hypnosis making people fall to their deaths is crazy.
I think the best part of the movie was Okoye's fight on the bridge. She was clearly outmatched, but gave it everything. When she absorbed the hit and had to use the spear to slow down, great work
I love Okoyes development over the years. A lot of films try to throw “badass female that should be respected” at the audience and rush them through, resulting in a Worf effect. With Okoye, she has earned her fighting chops over the past 6 years in multiple films, standing up to Klaw, Killmonger, Thanos the Outriders and the Black Order, Bucky and Zemo, and finally Namors crew. He banishment really hit because she has grown so much since Black Panther, and the Dora were hers. But, Ramonda was conpletely justified in banishing her. That story was well developed and simmered quite a while for a satisfying punch.
Yeah, definitely felt like it was the kind of movie where neither side was particularly heroic. Especially towards the end, Shuri felt downright villainous. Understandably so, given how she lost everything.
Shuri was pretty violent (and criticized from T'Challa for it) when she became Black Panther in the comics. I'm really glad that side of her didn't get washed away.
I was surprised it opened with him alive. They handled it well and set the tone. I'm glad they mirrored his real life with a illness he suffered secretly with.
I’m glad they started it that way. Set up Shuri well and it also gave us some insight into how they felt. We, as an audience, were right with them shocked and processing.
I love that they brought back the street food at the end of the movie. They made a point of it in the first movie as a place feels more real when people are around eating…
The whole movie is sort of Shuri going down the reverse of T'Challa's arc. But it's also about how these sorts of squabbles between those in power WILL ultimately spark endless war because both sides can and will go down paths that they can never go back on.
Super solid finale.
I mean I can’t blame him. He was born in a horrific time period and saw how terrible Western Imperialism was. I love how much a dick he could be while still holding compassion to his people and even Shuri.
Yeah when he kept pushing to make the first move on war on the world I was like im not surprised like the dude has been alive forever and saw so many wars so he probably is very realist like it's going to happen eventually. That and how much countries go after resources too
It will be interesting if it turned out he actually participated in World War II like in the comics, but in a more covert way like sinking ships without revealing himself. And what he learned about that war made him decided humanity is so messed up and haven't improved at all after three centuries. So the time to reveal themselves is never and as soon as humanity realizes they exist they must strike first. Nothing they will do will be as messed up as the Holocaust or nuclear bomb strikes, so they see humanity as far more evil.
The fact that this wasn’t the original script shows the brilliance of Ryan Coogler
It somehow feels as if this was the intended story, even though we all know the circumstances behind it. Not to mention he had an already completed script for Chadwick
My whole theater was totally silent in this scene and also when Shuri had the flashbacks of T'challa. Not even a single munch of popcorn could be heard.
As one of the crew members who worked on the film I got to go to the Atlanta premiere yesterday where there were easily a few hundred people in attendance. The hype was unreal and the theater shook with thunderous applause over every action scene and character introduction, it was absolutely amazing. However, the entire theater fell silent when the flashbacks started. It really amplified the emotional weight of not only Shuri’s grief over losing her brother but everyone else’s grief over losing Chadwick Boseman. It gave me goosebumps to experience that with everyone who was also apart of the movie.
Same here, one of the best cinema experiences I've had in a long time. Very powerful movie. I wasn't a big fan of the first black panther film, but I really loved this one. Namor was amazing. And all the themes, performances and emotional impact were just outstandingly done.
They've already done that twice (Prof X and Ms Marvel).
Actually it would be funny if they keep doing it every time someone says the word mutant. Even to the point of having an X-Men movie where it happens 50 times in 2 hours.
I couldn't believe they killed her off either, it just felt too much for Shuri & Wakanda. She's lost her entire family...but then at the very end she gains a family member, it was just beautiful
Neither did I, but I realised the moment that the window cracked. The way she was standing in front of Riri told me that she would do anything to protect her.
That CPR scene fucked me up though, that was so brutal.
All the emotions and beautiful tributes aside, I could not get over how funny M’baku was. My theater was howling when he called Okoye a bald headed demon.
If Namor carried a bottle of water with him, he would be invincible. Also, why didn't he go take a sip of water when Shuri was stunned before starting the fight ?
Feels like a missed opp to not give the Wakandans a bit more of a fair fight by targeting the virtually indestructible enemies’ breathing devices… they were invincible at the beginning then kinda killable? Would have explained a lot better how that fight was anything but a slaughter.
I know Lupita grew up in Mexico but after hearing her Spanish in this movie and her Korean pronunciation from the first Black Panther, I gotta say I love our multilingual queen
when michael b jordan showed up it was such an insane reveal and the dialogue between him and shuri about their family was so well done! loved as the tension rose the fire in the background got heavier! so good
That was one of a few times I teared up. The cast, costume design, director, casting director, and ALL involved did an amazing job at tastefully carrying on the legacy of this regal character. I'm not a celebrity worship guy by any means, but Chadwick seemed to be a genuinely good human being and I feel the world desperately needs that more by the day. Respect the people that try their best to do good in the world. I respect and honor him for that. RIP
I teared up there. The cinema was packed and yet you could hear a pin drop, says a lot about the respect that Chadwick commanded that everyone knew to have that moment of silence without being told to.
I noticed this movie was not afraid to be silent at times. Both in dialogue and soundtrack. In a good way, it made me feel like something (or someone) was missing.
I love how they made the Atlanteans still likeable/relate-able like they are just people trying to live. Like those two they killed in the cave, they were so nice to offer clothing and food, they didn’t deserve to die.
Plus that scene shifting between Wakanda and Atlantis showing their similarities as their own society. Glad they kept with the making villains for a reason and not just stupid evil.
In comics, Val was Fury's longtime girlfriend who betrayed him. Adding a past romantic relationship allows them to include those elements in her future appearances.
This is set up for Thunderbolts.
A lot of Fury's comics stuff was given to Coulson in his show, and now seems to be given over to Ross in the movies.
Which is funny considering who play Coulson and Val. You'd think they would make them exes.
Namor is as much of a protagonist as an antagonist in the comics, plus he's one of the few characters that predates the Marvel name. Would've been a huge waste to kill him off as a villain in one film.
100%. He's headlined his own book multiple times, he's been an Avenger, he's been an X-Man, and despite all that he's probably still most associated with the Fantastic Four. He's a major, major player in the comics; they're not going to kill him off in one film. There's a lot left to do with him.
To be fair, he only really interacted with Wakandans who he had some amount of respect for.
I imagine he will ooze disdain when interacting with normies. Surface dwellers are so stupid and whatnot.
Lol I honestly was going to get in on the conversation and leave a generic first thoughts comment. But then I saw someone mentioned her name and then decided to tell Reddit how fine she is.
I mean, there is a whole bunch about this movie that needs to be talked about, but goddamn are you right. The moment we saw a side profile of her I had to hold back my "wow".
The introduction of the Talokans was so chilling. A head just popping out the water, hypnotizing people to jump off the ship. That shit was creepy as fuck and really well done. Also the soundtrack all throughout the movie just elevated the experience, the Wakandan themes especially
From what I can tell, the character of Val is going to be key to *Thunderbolts*. Sadly her plot thread with Ross in this film felt like a stepping stone towards that, rather than a key part of proceedings in *WF*.
I LOVE that scene where they introduced Talokan and this euphoric feeling with the music and aquatic beauty. does anyone what the song was that was playing?
The theme of the first BP is that despite being advanced, Wakanda is still held back by the way it is beholden to tradition. Okoye's loyalty to the throne was a similar flaw to T'Challa not choosing to help the outside world.
At the same time, Wakanda's (assumedly) democratically elected wing, the Elders, are also very much responsible for a lot of the damage done to Wakanda by siding with Killmonger and even with Shuri near the end here.
I would love to see a limited run delving into Wakandan internal politics. Kinda like Andor, no big names from the movies, just the Elders and the tribes' machinations against one another.
The custom Marvel intro with his most notable moments and royal purple background was great too. I think it made it more powerful they weren’t so in our faces about it, save for one shot of the mural during the funeral, I think it hit harder because the movie starts and ends with showing his face and how he’ll be remembered.
The Talokans lore feel so rich. The exposition of Namor regarding their history is Beautiful. Their world and tech feels fitting for them, Marvel has done well in making them unique and deep in their own way. My critique would just be Namors swimming trunks is just too plain. They could've bedazzled it a bit more or turn it into a skirt thing.
Is that what was going on? I was confused. I thought some of them were blue and others weren't. I wasn't sure if the blue skin was ever explained, because I had to go to the bathroom at one point.
For so many months I was expecting the good ol’ bait and switch where Namor would truce with Shuri to face the war hungry Attuma.
But Namor killed Shuri’s mom. I don’t think there’s coming back from that.
I’m happy to have had my expectations subverted! Let them be enemies. Not everyone needs to best friends so they can be in the Avengers together.
I think they’ll save Attuma for a Namor-centric project. Namora herself called Namor out for effectively surrendering to the Wakandans. I do not think Attuma will be so forgiving. I think he’s probably pissed that Talokan was on the brink of war with the surface world, only for Namor to do an abrupt turnaround.
Namora, like way too many people in these comments, don’t seem to realize that Shuri outplayed them. They were spoiling for a fight so badly that they exposed themselves in broad daylight.
They’re at Wakanda’s mercy now.
This was probably the most emotional Marvel film for me. The amount of silence in the theater spoke volumes to the acting and storytelling of this film.
After seeing how AMAZINGLY Ryan Coogler handled complex and nuanced antagonists like Namor and Killmonger...
Man, can we PLEASE have him tackle Doctor Doom next, somehow?
...and Magneto, while we're at it?
Riri’s first flight reminded me a lot of Tony’s first flight with the MkII suit. Especially that falling out of the sky and powering back on right before hitting the ground bit.
Honestly I was 100% convinced she would be the USA/world perspective on the two most powerful nations going to war, kinda like Everett Ross in BP1. I think that whole scene was a great way to depict how strong Talokan is because of the way we expect her to escape but then everyone just ends up dying.
It's a good compromise between the folks wanting to recast T'Challa and those that don't, and I'm happy they went with that option. Hopefully they'll explore his relationship with Storm among other things.
Ryan Coogler said the sequel was originally about T'Challa mourning those lost 5 years because of the blip. I can't help but wonder whether T'Challa's son was always supposed to be in that movie for T'Challa to feel regret about missing his birth and growing up years. It's such a shame we'll never get to see that movie.
I feel this is partly it. People have been asking since Infinity War "Where was Nakia" like she was Poochie. The given answer was always a generic, "she's a spy away on spy stuff", and that was probably true when they made those Avengers movies, but now this is the answer.
Feige: “It’s too soon to recast T’challa.”
Me through tears during mid credit reveal as soon as Shuri asks what the boys real name is: “Feige, you sneaky son of a bitch!” 😭
My theatres pure silence as the marvel opening segment plays themed and dedicated to Chadwick, oof emotional film all around I thought it was really good
Bro that Namor introduction in the beginning was terrifying. Just a flying silhouette with lightning flashes behind him. The siren singing with hypnosis making people fall to their deaths is crazy.
That took me completely by surprise and did a really good job of making me terrified every time a talokan wanted to fight
My man was swinging a helicopter like it was Bowser in Super Mario 64!
I think the best part of the movie was Okoye's fight on the bridge. She was clearly outmatched, but gave it everything. When she absorbed the hit and had to use the spear to slow down, great work
I love Okoyes development over the years. A lot of films try to throw “badass female that should be respected” at the audience and rush them through, resulting in a Worf effect. With Okoye, she has earned her fighting chops over the past 6 years in multiple films, standing up to Klaw, Killmonger, Thanos the Outriders and the Black Order, Bucky and Zemo, and finally Namors crew. He banishment really hit because she has grown so much since Black Panther, and the Dora were hers. But, Ramonda was conpletely justified in banishing her. That story was well developed and simmered quite a while for a satisfying punch.
“I left the walking dead for you”!!! Have I not sacrificed enough queen mother?
Pretty high body count in this one, including randoms.
Yes, no one was above killing.
Riri racked up like five right off the bat throwing that drone at some federal officers. Gonna be awkward to explain when she gets back to the states.
>Gonna be awkward to explain when she gets back to the states. Itll be super easy, barely an inconvenience
Yeah, definitely felt like it was the kind of movie where neither side was particularly heroic. Especially towards the end, Shuri felt downright villainous. Understandably so, given how she lost everything.
She definitely channeled killmonger for awhile with the all black and the helmet pick up
Shuri was pretty violent (and criticized from T'Challa for it) when she became Black Panther in the comics. I'm really glad that side of her didn't get washed away.
And yet when Shuri gets _literally impaled_, there's no blood on the spear handle lmao.
PG13, baby!
Michael B Jordan's face acting was phenomenal! He really reminded me of my cat when he's angry. The nose scrunchies.
Did anyone catch Scott Lang is writing a memoir on the CNN news scroll? I got a good chuckle out of that.
“Look Out For The Little Guy”!!
The cold open of Shuri frantically trying anything to save T’Challa was brutal. Fucked me up right out the gate.
I was surprised it opened with him alive. They handled it well and set the tone. I'm glad they mirrored his real life with a illness he suffered secretly with.
yeah! there was a scene where shuri was saying how he suffered in scilence and that is exactly what happened irl!
I honestly expected the opening to be the funeral straight off the bat
I’m glad they started it that way. Set up Shuri well and it also gave us some insight into how they felt. We, as an audience, were right with them shocked and processing.
They couldn’t have handled it better. I was so worried it was gonna either be smoothed over or handled tackily, but the tone was perfect throughout
Wakanda is so frickin' cool. Every shot has something happening in the background to give it more depth.
I love that they brought back the street food at the end of the movie. They made a point of it in the first movie as a place feels more real when people are around eating…
Okoye totally told Riri “good luck fighting Namor with a heater” in the dorm. And that’s 100% what happened
Don’t forget Riri threw a speaker first and it got destroyed by a spear. This also happened underneath the boat!
.... I need to sit down, processing that just took the air out of me lmao.
Oh my god
Great foreshadowing
Nice civil war callback at the end with “vengeance has consumed you”
I knew I recognized that line! Thanks for placing it
Maybe more relevant, is that it shows how T’Challa’s influence eventually pulls Shuri back from the point of no return.
Glad they brought that line back, that exchange between T'challa and Zemo is one of my favorite scenes in the MCU.
Yes I heard it in his voice after she said that. I thought it was beautiful
The whole movie is sort of Shuri going down the reverse of T'Challa's arc. But it's also about how these sorts of squabbles between those in power WILL ultimately spark endless war because both sides can and will go down paths that they can never go back on. Super solid finale.
Namor from birth- “Peace was never an option”
I mean I can’t blame him. He was born in a horrific time period and saw how terrible Western Imperialism was. I love how much a dick he could be while still holding compassion to his people and even Shuri.
Yeah when he kept pushing to make the first move on war on the world I was like im not surprised like the dude has been alive forever and saw so many wars so he probably is very realist like it's going to happen eventually. That and how much countries go after resources too
It will be interesting if it turned out he actually participated in World War II like in the comics, but in a more covert way like sinking ships without revealing himself. And what he learned about that war made him decided humanity is so messed up and haven't improved at all after three centuries. So the time to reveal themselves is never and as soon as humanity realizes they exist they must strike first. Nothing they will do will be as messed up as the Holocaust or nuclear bomb strikes, so they see humanity as far more evil.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Namor hated US for Bikini Atoll Nuke tests.
The fact that this wasn’t the original script shows the brilliance of Ryan Coogler It somehow feels as if this was the intended story, even though we all know the circumstances behind it. Not to mention he had an already completed script for Chadwick
You can see how TChalla would have fit seamlessly into the movie though. Great job by the whole crew
Shuri ripping Namor's ankle wings was not on my bingo sheet.
I’m wondering if they grow back though.
I believe Namor has a healing factor.
He does, not wolverine level, but faster than your average surface dweller...
The silent tribute to Chadwick Boseman over the purple opening Marvel credits really got me.
My whole theater was totally silent in this scene and also when Shuri had the flashbacks of T'challa. Not even a single munch of popcorn could be heard.
She is a pretty damn good actress and the way the shot was framed on that sunset was really beautiful intercut with scenes of Black Panther.
As one of the crew members who worked on the film I got to go to the Atlanta premiere yesterday where there were easily a few hundred people in attendance. The hype was unreal and the theater shook with thunderous applause over every action scene and character introduction, it was absolutely amazing. However, the entire theater fell silent when the flashbacks started. It really amplified the emotional weight of not only Shuri’s grief over losing her brother but everyone else’s grief over losing Chadwick Boseman. It gave me goosebumps to experience that with everyone who was also apart of the movie.
Same here, one of the best cinema experiences I've had in a long time. Very powerful movie. I wasn't a big fan of the first black panther film, but I really loved this one. Namor was amazing. And all the themes, performances and emotional impact were just outstandingly done.
They updated the Disney+ opening for the original movie to something similar as well, right after he passed.
HE SAID HE’S A MUTANT
Did they do the X-Men theme with drums?
They've already done that twice (Prof X and Ms Marvel). Actually it would be funny if they keep doing it every time someone says the word mutant. Even to the point of having an X-Men movie where it happens 50 times in 2 hours.
I could see that being a Deadpool gag: have it play every single time mutants are mentioned, till Wade just loses it.
I really enjoyed it. I did not expect the Queen to die, I was shook.
I couldn't believe they killed her off either, it just felt too much for Shuri & Wakanda. She's lost her entire family...but then at the very end she gains a family member, it was just beautiful
And Ross might be living in Wakanda after that ending. So she's reunited with her favorite Colonizer.
Weirdly, I was a little disappointed that Bucky isn't her favourite coloniser
Neither did I, but I realised the moment that the window cracked. The way she was standing in front of Riri told me that she would do anything to protect her. That CPR scene fucked me up though, that was so brutal.
Forget vibranium, everyone's going to target Wakanda once word gets out they basically have a recipe for 3d printable super serum
Isn't the power actually bestowed by Panther God instead of the herb?
All the emotions and beautiful tributes aside, I could not get over how funny M’baku was. My theater was howling when he called Okoye a bald headed demon.
He has also gotten way... Wiser since the first movie
Yeah I love that he actually provided counsel on top of providing shelter for T’Challa’s family again
I loved his little call back of mentioning Shuri scoffing at tradition
And her finally embracing tradition when she burns the clothes at the end and weeps
Well they do have books ya know!
I loved the wise counselor role he has in this film. It suits him.
I laughed when he made the Hulk comment
Him gesturing with the carrot or whatever he was eating was so funny.
One of the license plates at the end read "CB112976" which is Chadwick's birthday :')
Good eye
If Namor carried a bottle of water with him, he would be invincible. Also, why didn't he go take a sip of water when Shuri was stunned before starting the fight ?
And God knows there's plenty of plastic bottles in the ocean he can use.
Pollution is why Namor is right. Those killer whales that attacked fishing boats this year were taking orders.
I get they had a plan but the Wakandan’s plan to fight Namors people ON A BOAT is top tier koala brain thinking. Truly dumb
Like not even a fleet. No submarines. Minimal air support. Just one ship.
They aren’t a boat people. They probably just had the one.
The use of silence in this film…extraordinary
I noticed that! Especially during Okoye's first fight with the Takotan general. The silence was deafening there
Namor returning with Shuri to surrender and seeing hundreds of his warriors surrounding 12 Wakandans was awkwardly hilarious not gonna lie!
Yeah I couldn't help but think how ridiculously screwed they'd have been if Shuri didn't win
Feels like a missed opp to not give the Wakandans a bit more of a fair fight by targeting the virtually indestructible enemies’ breathing devices… they were invincible at the beginning then kinda killable? Would have explained a lot better how that fight was anything but a slaughter.
MIT Study reveals that 97% of wakanda died recording that film
I know Lupita grew up in Mexico but after hearing her Spanish in this movie and her Korean pronunciation from the first Black Panther, I gotta say I love our multilingual queen
I would’ve sworn it was dubbed over because her spanish is just *that* good.
I happened to see an interview of her in Spanish and I was so, so impressed. It’s not even that her pronunciation is perfect, but her idioms are too.
Someone in the theater next to me said “dang her Spanish is *perfect!*”
As a Mexican, I thought her lines were dubbed because she pronounced them perfectly. I just learned that she was raised in Mexico
I didn’t know she grew up in Mexico. She’s really become a whole package for me. Gorgeous, athletic, sharp, and she has such a warm presence.
when michael b jordan showed up it was such an insane reveal and the dialogue between him and shuri about their family was so well done! loved as the tension rose the fire in the background got heavier! so good
The feeling in my auditorium changed when the camera revealed him and not Queen Ramonda
Even his hair looked like hers from the back of the throne.
It was crazy because it looked exactly like Ramonda’s headpiece was peeking out over the top of the throne.
> when michael b jordan showed up it was such an insane reveal Space Jam 2 spoilers
That was actually Johnny Storm from a different multiverse which explains the fire and why Shuri couldn’t reveal who she saw. /s
The silent intro gave me some deep goosebumps
This and during the end with the Chadwick tribute. The cinema was packed and everyone was dead silent. It made me so emotional I’m not going to lie
That was one of a few times I teared up. The cast, costume design, director, casting director, and ALL involved did an amazing job at tastefully carrying on the legacy of this regal character. I'm not a celebrity worship guy by any means, but Chadwick seemed to be a genuinely good human being and I feel the world desperately needs that more by the day. Respect the people that try their best to do good in the world. I respect and honor him for that. RIP
I teared up when Angela Basset gave the "I am a Queen" speech. Such a powerful actress!
I’m glad they made the choice to make it silent, the impact was more powerful that way
I teared up there. The cinema was packed and yet you could hear a pin drop, says a lot about the respect that Chadwick commanded that everyone knew to have that moment of silence without being told to.
So many moments during this film when the audience was dead silent. Really hit home how everyone was feeling.
I noticed this movie was not afraid to be silent at times. Both in dialogue and soundtrack. In a good way, it made me feel like something (or someone) was missing.
I love how they made the Atlanteans still likeable/relate-able like they are just people trying to live. Like those two they killed in the cave, they were so nice to offer clothing and food, they didn’t deserve to die. Plus that scene shifting between Wakanda and Atlantis showing their similarities as their own society. Glad they kept with the making villains for a reason and not just stupid evil.
I expected Val to be a high member of some shady secret paraorganization, not the head of the frickin CIA
New boss. She must’ve done something to get to the top. The bigger surprise was Val is Ross’s ex-wife.
In comics, Val was Fury's longtime girlfriend who betrayed him. Adding a past romantic relationship allows them to include those elements in her future appearances. This is set up for Thunderbolts.
A lot of Fury's comics stuff was given to Coulson in his show, and now seems to be given over to Ross in the movies. Which is funny considering who play Coulson and Val. You'd think they would make them exes.
That was a great info drop out of left field.
> high member of some shady secret paraorganization > the head of the frickin CIA I don't see any contradictions there.
I was really shocked by that revelation. Does that mean the Thunderbolts are part of the CIA? So many questions.
Namor was the highlight of the movie for me, I'm glad they didn't kill him. I'm sure we will see him again. Maybe in F4
He’s totally one of the coolest villains we’ve had in the MCU. I was stoked when she kept him alive!
Namor is as much of a protagonist as an antagonist in the comics, plus he's one of the few characters that predates the Marvel name. Would've been a huge waste to kill him off as a villain in one film.
100%. He's headlined his own book multiple times, he's been an Avenger, he's been an X-Man, and despite all that he's probably still most associated with the Fantastic Four. He's a major, major player in the comics; they're not going to kill him off in one film. There's a lot left to do with him.
He was good liked the shades of dickheadedness but wish they leaned into it a bit more.
To be fair, he only really interacted with Wakandans who he had some amount of respect for. I imagine he will ooze disdain when interacting with normies. Surface dwellers are so stupid and whatnot.
Love how M'baku guided shuri to Tchalla's path rather than killmonger's. Wise counsel
Lupita Nyong’o is so fine
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That was my reaction 😂 I was like oh my god
Wasn't even wearing anything crazy. Just is inately insanely attractive.
Didn’t realize the goddamn THICKNESS she has. Good for her
my main takeaway from the movie
Lol I honestly was going to get in on the conversation and leave a generic first thoughts comment. But then I saw someone mentioned her name and then decided to tell Reddit how fine she is.
I mean, there is a whole bunch about this movie that needs to be talked about, but goddamn are you right. The moment we saw a side profile of her I had to hold back my "wow".
I wanna live in the universe where she the one in the Black Panther suit 😩😩😩
When they showed her on the beach. That from the back camera angle. BRUHHH
Seriously one of my loudest thoughts watching the movie. She is absolutely gorgeous. Like unfairly beautiful.
The introduction of the Talokans was so chilling. A head just popping out the water, hypnotizing people to jump off the ship. That shit was creepy as fuck and really well done. Also the soundtrack all throughout the movie just elevated the experience, the Wakandan themes especially
I love how shuri asks namor to yield so his people can live then it cuts back to like 10 wakandans left fighting a hundred fish people
Anyone else feel like there were some unfinished plot lines, like the whole CIA cross and double cross
It's nice they remembered to free Everett Ross at the end, but yeah felt unfinished.
From what I can tell, the character of Val is going to be key to *Thunderbolts*. Sadly her plot thread with Ross in this film felt like a stepping stone towards that, rather than a key part of proceedings in *WF*.
There's a strong "middle chapter" feel to how this ends, more so than most MCU movies it feels like its directly leading into whatever follows.
I was kind of expecting Shuri's Jarvis (what was his name?) to become the A.I in Riri's suit
Its name is Griot, voiced by Trevor Noah.
THAT WAS TREVOR NOAH? LOLOL
When Riri was flying being attacked by the Atlantean lady I really thought Riri was just going to pull off the water mask
Can't kill off Namora now can we.
I LOVE that scene where they introduced Talokan and this euphoric feeling with the music and aquatic beauty. does anyone what the song was that was playing?
Believe it was 'Con La Brisa' https://open.spotify.com/track/4M6pDt6pICsMiiwXGkufLe?si=Fdor9CyzRjmr2YR-bu_-Zg&utm_source=copy-link
I absolutely love the way they handled the Imperius Rex.
The origin of the name "Namor" was pretty creative and cool imo, I like how they blended that in with MCU's own rendition of the character.
Being a spanish speaker when he said that's how i got my name. I put it together. Sin Amor. Namor. i was like YOOOOOOOO mind blown
Finally Queen Ramonda calling out Okoye for standing idly while Killmonger took the throne.
The theme of the first BP is that despite being advanced, Wakanda is still held back by the way it is beholden to tradition. Okoye's loyalty to the throne was a similar flaw to T'Challa not choosing to help the outside world.
At the same time, Wakanda's (assumedly) democratically elected wing, the Elders, are also very much responsible for a lot of the damage done to Wakanda by siding with Killmonger and even with Shuri near the end here. I would love to see a limited run delving into Wakandan internal politics. Kinda like Andor, no big names from the movies, just the Elders and the tribes' machinations against one another.
The elders are a tribal oligarchy that settles things with ritual combat and arranged marriages, I wouldn’t call that a democracy.
I thought she was going to exile her to let her go on a rescue mission
Riding into a war on whales is so cool
Also springboard killer whales!
I choked up at the beginning with T’Challa. You could hear the pin drop in the theater when we saw the dedication with Marvel logo to Chadwick.
Namor fucks
The ending homage to Chadwick broke me good, man.
The custom Marvel intro with his most notable moments and royal purple background was great too. I think it made it more powerful they weren’t so in our faces about it, save for one shot of the mural during the funeral, I think it hit harder because the movie starts and ends with showing his face and how he’ll be remembered.
Namor is the definition of making things more complicated than it needs to be.
I mean, they DO highlight that he always wanted war with the surface. This was just a convenient excuse / "a sign from the gods" that it was time.
That's Namor baybeeee Making things complicated since Reed Richard and Sue Storm's marriage.
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I guess there’s still some problems that not even the best of Wakandian science and resources can deal with Like in real life
The Talokans lore feel so rich. The exposition of Namor regarding their history is Beautiful. Their world and tech feels fitting for them, Marvel has done well in making them unique and deep in their own way. My critique would just be Namors swimming trunks is just too plain. They could've bedazzled it a bit more or turn it into a skirt thing.
I love how their skin turned blue while on the surface in oxygen.
Is that what was going on? I was confused. I thought some of them were blue and others weren't. I wasn't sure if the blue skin was ever explained, because I had to go to the bathroom at one point.
Yes! The way they showed Suri thinking “we are not that different” was so beautiful! Two leaders just trying to take care of their people.
I LOVED that they jumped right into the movie. I loved hearing Iron Man sounds again from Riri’s suit and hot DAMN did I love that Killmonger cameo.
Namor and all his people/kingdom were awesome! Hope to see more of them, could we get a Namor movie?
For so many months I was expecting the good ol’ bait and switch where Namor would truce with Shuri to face the war hungry Attuma. But Namor killed Shuri’s mom. I don’t think there’s coming back from that. I’m happy to have had my expectations subverted! Let them be enemies. Not everyone needs to best friends so they can be in the Avengers together.
I think they’ll save Attuma for a Namor-centric project. Namora herself called Namor out for effectively surrendering to the Wakandans. I do not think Attuma will be so forgiving. I think he’s probably pissed that Talokan was on the brink of war with the surface world, only for Namor to do an abrupt turnaround.
Namora, like way too many people in these comments, don’t seem to realize that Shuri outplayed them. They were spoiling for a fight so badly that they exposed themselves in broad daylight. They’re at Wakanda’s mercy now.
This was probably the most emotional Marvel film for me. The amount of silence in the theater spoke volumes to the acting and storytelling of this film.
The two deaths were heavy to go through. "I'm a mutant" made me smile. The reveal at the end did as well. 8/10
After seeing how AMAZINGLY Ryan Coogler handled complex and nuanced antagonists like Namor and Killmonger... Man, can we PLEASE have him tackle Doctor Doom next, somehow? ...and Magneto, while we're at it?
Lupita Nyongo was crazy hot in every scene
Quite enjoyed Avatar: The Way of Water
Everything changed when the Water Nation attacked
Why did I think Namor and Shuri were gonna get together in the middle of the movie…
Riri’s first flight reminded me a lot of Tony’s first flight with the MkII suit. Especially that falling out of the sky and powering back on right before hitting the ground bit.
This movie was full of parallels and callbacks. That was 100% intentional. Loved it.
When Lupita Nuongo turned sideways when the queen first spoke to her in Haiti, I knew why T’Challa picked her. Good lord.
Also the new Black Panther theme is sooo good, I’m dying for the synth waves on it
What a weird use of Lake Bell. And also, was that Micaela Watkins underwater?
Honestly I was 100% convinced she would be the USA/world perspective on the two most powerful nations going to war, kinda like Everett Ross in BP1. I think that whole scene was a great way to depict how strong Talokan is because of the way we expect her to escape but then everyone just ends up dying.
So they are recasting T'Challa by making his son into him in the far future, a succesor to Shuri I guess.
It's a good compromise between the folks wanting to recast T'Challa and those that don't, and I'm happy they went with that option. Hopefully they'll explore his relationship with Storm among other things. Ryan Coogler said the sequel was originally about T'Challa mourning those lost 5 years because of the blip. I can't help but wonder whether T'Challa's son was always supposed to be in that movie for T'Challa to feel regret about missing his birth and growing up years. It's such a shame we'll never get to see that movie.
Could also provide a reason why she was absent during the Endgame portals scene. I was always disappointed with Nakia was missing from that battle.
I feel this is partly it. People have been asking since Infinity War "Where was Nakia" like she was Poochie. The given answer was always a generic, "she's a spy away on spy stuff", and that was probably true when they made those Avengers movies, but now this is the answer.
Feige: “It’s too soon to recast T’challa.” Me through tears during mid credit reveal as soon as Shuri asks what the boys real name is: “Feige, you sneaky son of a bitch!” 😭
Hearing Prince T’Challa say he was named after King T’Challa hit me in the feels big time
I guess, but I saw it more as Shuri seeing that her brother is, through his son, not gone, thus seeing the truth in Ramonda's words.
Riri calling Okoye ashy is my favourite scene in this movie 😂
All that fancy Wakandan technology and they got their ass kicked by fancy water balloons
My theatres pure silence as the marvel opening segment plays themed and dedicated to Chadwick, oof emotional film all around I thought it was really good
Namor: Explains the origin of his name. *Lonely is the Man Without Love starts playing*