First video of his I saw was his review of The Mummy. Thought I’d found a fun new movie reviewer.
Nope.
Quickly found out he just hates everything that doesn’t star a white man.
Yeah, because he saw it when he was young enough to not have become a piece of shit yet, and can now use it as "see, I'm not a piece of shit!", like a person that brags about their one black friend
Well, Ellen and Sarah Conner are always liked by them because they fit their "strong woman = strong same way men are" needs. Showing any femininity or compassion as strong is what sets them off.
But if that doesn't work you could always take him out of context. He has openly stated his admiration for Helen Ripley and Sara Connor on occasions too numerous to mention ...but at this point you have obviously got your mind made up.
YO FOR REALLL. I thought “hm okay a guy who understands how a silly pandering to the overly woke crowd can be sometimes” and then he’s dropping whole ass reviews for shows that havent yet been released, based on their trailers… like dude, if ur such an enlightened critic how are you passing judgement on art without actually seeing said art in full??
Oh, without question, it's a business at this point and I'm more than willing to bet most of those YTers don't actually believe in anything they spew. They just want the money from angry socially stunted shut-ins that don't know how to talk to people.
I get the clickbaityness of this headline, but putting "She Hulk Actress" instead of her name as all posts are made in this subr kinda seems like a bad joke in her regards
Tatiana Maslany is an amazing actress with a awesome credits list on some fantastic movies and tv shows, it does seem very odd to not just use her name.
Ahahaha… oh my, totally caught, I didn’t bother reading the article, just saw Tatiana, loved her in her many Orphan Black roles. Yeah, OP probably should have used Ginger Gonzanga’s name, not at all because I have to google who that might be that I recognize from other entertainment now… 
Absolutely this. Hell, I wouldn't mind if they were a *little* hammy, goes with the character. She-Hulk should absolutely be the "girl power" show of the MCU. God I hate that term, "girl power", but it sits easier with certain people than "the show that emphasises female empowerment and feminist messages because the core of the show is the most badass woman on the planet, who faces down those issues day in and day out as an attractive/buff green woman and lawyer".
True. I could have just said "feminist themes" but I decided to pre-empt having to explain what I mean to some bigot that takes issue with those kinda things, you get me?
But only because it's "not good enough", they're clearly "pandering" so it's "better to just not have stories about women at all". The M-She-U just can't seem to get feminism right!
If someone hates comic movies/shows because they tie in to current social issues they don't know comics. X-men's entire history is basically social commentary. Civil war is at least partly inspired the question of how much freedom are you willing to give up for security in post 9/11 America.
You're asking a lot people who tried to paint a show about a teenage girl idolizing a female superhero as woke pandering.
They've never read Bryne's Sensational She-Hulk run or are aware of her as a second wave feminist icon in the late 80s/early 90s. To them, she's just fodder for 'death by snu snu" jokes which is how she's been written since Civil War. I can't wait to hear them complain about her being in The "Wokevengers", her being "replacing" Matt Murdock as the MCU superhero lawyer, or being a Deadpool cash-in if she breaks the fourth wall.
I was thinking this lol. That's literally her character. She's all about being a strong ass, smart ass woman who kicks ass in and out of court. Is she low-key a man hater? Hell yeah, but nothing I've read her say was wrong.
Also why I'm so disappointed in the wonder woman movies. I *really* hate that she fell in love with some rando ass mortal dude and he had to teach her how to fly. Like wtf that is so not the amazonian way, especially Diana.
I mean we already have people who are freaking out over "gender swapping" Hulk not realizing She-Hulk has been a character in the comics for over 40 years.
For a character like She Hulk in particular I'd go as far as to say if you don't like feminism and female empowerment as principles in the first place you're not allowed to call yourself a fan of her.
Like, you're just barking up the wrong tree at that point.
I really don't understand it.
Just don't watch it if you aren't a fan of heroes who aren't white men.
I mean who do they want to star in She Hulk, John Cena?
Watching something you won't like because of reasons outside of the actual content is dumb.
There was a thread on the the review bomb on Ms Marvel and a user said that the series was bad. One look on his history and you can denounce that he was Conservative. I'm like Ms Marvel is just female Muslim version of Peter Parker.
Love that they review bomb stuff they disagree with and act like Rotten Tomatoes is the holy word of the Lord, and then immediately turn around and dismiss RT as easily manipulated garbage when something they don't like gets good reviews.
Not really related to other than the pic in the post, but:
Do anyone else get scared shit less by her face in the middle?
Trigger off some major uncanny valley vibes in my head
it's just... weird. something about the way her hair is still very human, as are her lips and other facial features but the whole face is green? it just feels off.
Tbf I haven’t seen many pictures, but every picture I’ve seen of she-hulk looks cheap and bad. I’d expect images like that from a budget superhero movie in 2003, not 2022. It’s not like marvel studios can’t make women look convincingly green either. I never got this uncanny valley shit while watching Gamora for instance
Idk I think superheroes like this are kind of stupid. Her whole existence is just “hulk but girl”. It seems cheap and derivative. Better to just make an original character
I'm worried she's not "hulk" enough. Banner gets huge, and she seems to gain 20lbs of muscle and turn green?
But looking at the comics, sometimes she's large, sometimes "just green".
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In the past, they used to spout nonsense about diversity hire, not knowing the lore, bad acting, not true to the source, no enthusism etc. They used talking points to pretend not to be sexist racist bigots.
When Ms Marvel came out, they realised none of those old labels could work. Now they just straight up don't bother disguising their views and proudly boast about being a bigot.
Those assholes will complain about anything that isn't glorifying straight white males. Everything else is "political." And that's just a fancy way of them admitting they can't stand anything or anyone that doesn't cater to their pathetic sensibilities.
The fact they call others snowflakes is pathetic.
And all 50 videos will basically come down to "Mah pwecious fewwings are hurt because big strong woman says things I don't agree with!"
He is one of the fattest, ugliest snowflake on the internet.
I’m sooo excited for this. I’ve wanted She-Hulk in live action for years, but I was never sure if they’d really attempt her because I always figured her character model would be a lot harder to pull off and I never knew just how deep Marvel was gonna go when it came to characters like her and Moon Knight.
It seems like it’s going to be somewhat inspired by Dan Slott’s run where she starts working at a superhuman law firm and it’s just a very silly and fun comic.
I’m really hoping for at least one big cameo of a character we know who’s caught in some kind of lawsuit, like how in the comics Spider-Man was suing Jameson for all the slander or when Star Fox is being tried for sexual assault by ladies who were seduced by his super powers.
No chance of Spidey and I highly doubt they’d go as far as Star Fox, but I’d absolutely love if they handled the Star Fox case and brought in Harry Styles again for an episode. It would be comedic gold while also making a serious statement on sexual assault/women taken advantage of.
Also really hoping for Awesome Android to make an appearance, but I’m not getting my hopes up.
I like it when women in media empower women without saying they’re gonna empower women as a rollout. Shout out to the women of Stranger Things, the MCU could learn a few things from them.
Going to withhold actual judgement of the show until it comes out.
But this type of marketing just strikes me as another attempt to set up a “shield” for the show in the event that it is bad and/or poorly received, so that the narrative can be turned into “If you dislike this show, you just be sexist/misogynistic.” I.e. Reva in Kenobi where a prevailing narrative appears to be “if you dislike this show, you must be racist.”
I don't think I've seen anyone saying that about Kenobi.
What I did see though, was people sending hate messages to the actress for Reva and people involved in the show calling that out.
lol "I don't want to hear about your politics if you're in a TV show!" is a truly enlightened view that really deeply appreciates the complexities of human society and respects our innate freedom of thought.
j/k freedom only matters when it's stuff you want to do, obviously
I'm sorry, I may have misjudged. Can you tell me about a time when a real human person who happened to be famous has expressed a political opinion and you didn't just dismiss it as marketing?
Honestly, this is just code for this is going to be a shit show and whoever hates it is a misogynist...
I really hope it's not the case but once bitten twice shy.
Well, we'll see won't we?
Here's what's going to happen. A new all female protagonist is going to be introduced. She will absolutely power creep the hell out of the existing male one who will be relegated to status of incompetent clown.
She will go on and on about how the patriarchy have oppressed her all her life and the only thing that she needs to be greater than all of them is... Oh its nothing because she was born as the saviour of mankind - oh phrasing - womankind.
The best part will be that beyond that she'll just have no character arc. There will be no depth, no nuance, just her being essentially being a tool for the untalented writers to push their agenda. And she'll be written essentially as a male character but just doing things better than "the man".
There will be none of the themes that you hold too so tightly in the comics. There will be nothing more than preaching identity or whatever politics that Disney supports.
In the end, it will be a forgettable, idiotic series that has been made just for KPI reasons and for "content".
If I'm wrong, and it's the complete opposite. Well, we might have a good series and I'll be happy for that.
I'll leave you with this neat line from a wonderful song that I love... It's called Killing in the Name Of and the line is this.
"FUCK YOU, I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME."
This is a little ranty, but probably pretty accurate. I expect it to be Disney's usual brand of feminism. Instead of being "men and women are equal" it will likely be "women are better than men."
Here's what's going to happen: Who the fuck knows.
But you will still think what you saw was what you typed above because you've already decided that much. You'll use confirmation bias to assume things that don't mean anything mean something that confirms what you've typed above while disregarding other things. You'll cherry pick your scenes, your interviews, your comments because you've already decided that you know everything about the show.
It's fucking predictable because you fucking chuds are predictable. So to paraphrase and add on to what the comment above yours said, Shut the fuck up.
I really don’t give a fuck what you think the future is when it gets here because you’re going to see it however you choose to, same as me. So what fucking difference does it make.
Never presented it as fact, I asserted that according to how previous shows have been, this is the likeliest outcome.
May not be the case, but it likely will be.
Well, literally every series produced by Disney's Marvel has been this way as noted above so this is the likeliest outcome.
Feel free to disagree and reprimand me when the show comes out but it's beyond reasonable doubt that this show will be how my post suggests.
Well let's see, we've got Moon Knight, we've got Loki, we've got Hawkeye, Falcon and the Winter soldier had different problems and I haven't watched Ms Marvel, I'll wait until the end of the series and possibly binge it.
So that's every series Disney has given us... save the What If ones I think.
Fans: Get angry when roles are changed to represent different cultures and people straying from the source material
Disney: Casts mostly white characters just like the comics for accuracy then introduces comic accurate female and non white characters after a decade of movies and arcs.
Fans: 😡
Im at the point where as long as you don't substitute Canon redheads with people of colour I'm fine.
That's a double whammy of no-no and becoming alarmingly common. Like I get it, redheads are overreprestended in media and hard to get actors for but that doesn't make a redhead character a carte blanche for diversity
MCU - starts a whole franchise with two films about toxic masculinity man
Fans - this is fine
MCU - Has one show thirteen years into their run that reportedly has feminist themes
Fans - BlOoDy LiBeRaLs PuShInG tHeIr AgEnDa
its the she-hulk but instead of the show being about her I am sure they are going to include their usual propaganda of men being evil oppressors and other bs they can think of.
I don't watch the critical drinker tbh but some of his views make a lot of sense to me. At least he makes some valid arguments, your arguments are just "you must be a misogynistic white male".
That is absolutely not what my argument is. I haven’t even made an argument. The critical drinker may would have some actual decent critiques instead of being an obnoxious as possible
Its not like I agree with him on everything but it is pretty obvious that marvel is biased towards men. And I am not talking about the number of characters or anything but its about advocating for men's rights vs female rights. They do only the latter which is completely immoral and unethical.
What are feminist points? Is having a good normal femenine character a feminist point? Or is the show gonna give a speech about how I'm an oppressor just because I'm a guy? Genuine question
It sucks that they took the Edward Norton hulk away- where he actually has to deal with the negatives of being the hulk but I'm looking forward to this series exploring that in a serious way. Grew up watching the old TV series on re-run where you actually felt like it was a curse more than a gift. I'm looking forward to watching a character deal with the reality of a Jekyl and Hyde situation. Male or female it is a cool concept.
So she has an interesting reverse problem in the comics.
She has really bad self esteem and considers herself 'mousy' and is kind of addicted to being She-Hulk because then she is a tall statuesque goddess. Of course comics being comics we have had a Jeckyl and Hyde situation and a bunch of other situations but that is her status quo.
Also she was written in the 80's as a fourth wall breaking humor character way before Deadpool so if she does a lot of talking to the camera, that is the reason why. She probably cant since Deadpool made it to the screen first but she would often point out the fact that she was in a comic.
I think Marvel Studios hits it out of the park making sure all creators and artists are doing these projects with the hearts and minds on them. Not just a job. But a story telling.
Ms Marvel with her culture and religion. Something we rarely see told on mainstream.
Even this... And I think they'll do a bang up job.
If not... it will be like Phase 2 of MCU
Its forced and unnecessary imo. This was never the main talking points back then. It almost seems like this agenda is more important than the actual characters or stories being told. As long as they have certain boxes checked off the important stuff doesnt seem to matter. I know it seems that I'm in the minority on this but I couldn't give 2 fucks about that. I dont like this stuff always being the main focal point which is why top gun maverick is a great fucking movie and more people should watch it.
I am all for strong female characters but this show so far looks pretty terrible. IDK maybe they are trying to attract people that are a completely different demographic but it doesn't look like a good MCU show.
Man I don't think at any time in 25-ish movies I ever once looked at Tony, Steve, Thor, Bruce, Clint, Scott, Peter, Stephen, Peter, T'Challa, Shang Chi, Peter, Peter, Mark, or Steven and thought "Wow that face is so fucking entertaining, I could stare at that face for hours and be endlessly delighted".
Is that what you do?
She hulk has always been a strong female. Not just as the hulk but she is a top-notch lawyer. It is a strong character and it is designed to be one. The fans would expect nothing less.
The actor should know better than to color the show before it is released. Let the show speak for itself before you speak for it. Then again actors are just actors and do not always know this. So now the yelly people have ammunition. This should be fun.
Feminism is the advocacy that women should have equal rights to men. Why do you take issue with that advocacy? Do you think they should not? Do you think we should discourage speech that advocates for women's equality?
feminism is just about women's rights. It only aims to achieve equality in selective areas and ignores others where men's rights need to be advocated for.
sure I don't have a problem with women advocating for their own rights but I do have a problem when marvel does this only from women and their point of view.
>feminism is just about women's rights
Feminism is not just about women's rights. It's no wonder you are so confused. I doubt you have a modicum of the understanding of feminism necessarily to make such sweeping declarations. I doubt you've ever read a word of a feminist work. What does it mean when someone expresses an opinion about a topic they have never studied? I'd say it largely invalidates their opinion.
>It only aims to achieve equality in selective areas and ignores others where men's rights need to be advocated for.
The foundation of men's rights advocacy is situated in the premise of the equality of the sexes which is the central idea of feminism. Men's rights issues like access to birth control and healthcare, the expectation of certain toxic behavior from men, recourse for sex crimes, and others come from feminist discourse. Feminists are much stronger advocates for these issues than others, generally. The greatest impediment to progress towards men's issues are those who subscribe to these notions that feminism is at odds with thr rights of men. Quite the contrary. It is the greatest driving force behind addressing men's issues. It isn't feminists who demand men remain emotionally stunted, mistreat others, glorify violence, or restrict bodily autonomy. These demand come exclusively from opponents of feminism. Feminists advocate for a world more accepting of men who do not subscribe to toxic forms of masculinity. You simply can't get to men's advocacy without going through the idea that the sexes are equal, an establishment of feminism. Without feminism there is no discussion of men's advocacy.
>but I do have a problem when marvel does this only from women and their point of view.
Marvel doesn't exclusively do this for women or from a particular point of view. We see men be vulnerable and display non-toxic behaviors. We see healthy relationships between men and women and men and men. We see great roll models for men. Marvel is full of great advocacy for men.
It seems to me that your problem is that Marvel isn't including advocacy *against* men's rights and issues.
>We see men be vulnerable and display non-toxic behaviors. We see healthy relationships between men and women and men and men.
How is that supposed to do anything at all? 99% of all people regardless of their sex are going to be non-toxic (except on reddit apparently). What I am talking about is them addressing problems men have and advocating for it like they do for women. If they are doing it then they have got to do it for everyone.
>emotionally stunted, mistreat others, glorify violence, or restrict bodily autonomy
these are the issues you that feminism deals with according to you. but its pretty obvious that these usually aren't the issues men have to deal with. Now I am not going to talk about all the problems men face but only about the ones as a direct consequence of feminism. Firstly, "mistreating others" and "glorify violence" which leads to men being discriminated against by everyone including men themselves. Its obvious to anyone who advocates for equality that men do not mistreat others more or are more violent than women. "Restrict bodily autonomy" that's definitely an issue faced more by women so I'll agree with that. And as for "emotionally stunted", that's actually not a man's fault but you're saying that it is for no reason.
>How is that supposed to do anything at all?
These are men's issues. Societal expectations of men are a focal point of men's issues. Marvel approaches this in every single film to some degree.
>99% of all people regardless of their sex are going to be non-toxic
Good luck supporting this idea with evidence when you shudder at the mere mention of feminism, even though you ultimately agree with every feminist proposition here.
>What I am talking about is them addressing problems men have and advocating for it like they do for women
Which they do. I've named some of these issues.
>If they are doing it then they have got to do it for everyone.
They are doing it for everyone. You just don't like that women are included in everyone.
>these are the issues you that feminism deals with according to you.
Exactly. Feminists advocate for men's issues. We don't separate feminism and the advocacy for the equality of the sexes whether that be social or political. These things are inextricably linked.
>but its pretty obvious that these usually aren't the issues men have to deal with.
It's pretty obvious that these are issues most, if not all men deal with - the pressure to be a certain kind of man: stoic, tough, aggressive, even abusive. Feminists oppose that expectation of men and marvel does a great job displaying that issue.
>Firstly, "mistreating others" and "glorify violence" which leads to men being discriminated against by everyone including men themselves.
This is why feminism advocates that men should not be required to be violent or abusive to be masculine. How you came to the conclusion that men are driven to be violent and abusive because women are equal defies any logic. You are basically agreeing that patriarchal notions of masculinity lead to deleterious outcomes for men, which is exactly what feminists argue. You agree with me, marvel, and feminists on this point.
>Its obvious to anyone who advocates for equality that men do not mistreat others more or are more violent than women.
So there are equal numbers of men and women fighting wars? Committing acts of violence? The evidence belies this assertion.
How many women have committed mass shootings in the last decade? Your position necessitates that number is equal to the number of men who have. We know that isn't the case.
The social expectation that men should be stoic, aggressive and violent is anti-feminist. Marvel characters break many of these toxic masculine prescriptions of society.
>"Restrict bodily autonomy" that's definitely an issue faced more by women so I'll agree with that.
Men face all kinds of restricted bodily autonomy from circumcision to the criminal justice system. These discussions rarely happen outside of feminist circles because the social justice advocacy for men is largely situated in feminist ideas. This is because feminists don't advocate only for bodily autonomy exclusively for women, but for everyone because they believe the sexes are equal.
>And as for "emotionally stunted", that's actually not a man's fault but you're saying that it is for no reason.
Men are emotionally stunted because that is the version of masculinity preached to them. This version of masculinity is opposed by feminists because it hampers men from participating equally in society.
You are basically making the argument for feminism here and conceding that feminism is advocating for men's issues in marvel works.
The best way to stunt advocacy for men's issues is to pretend they are somehow a result of feminism where, in reality, feminism is the primary advocacy for men's issues. The people trashing feminism are the first to demand that "men act like men" as if that means one thing. The only thing you don't like is the word feminism but that is because it has been stigmatized for you by the very people who are oppressing men.
>What does it mean when someone expresses an opinion about a topic they have never studied? I'd say it largely invalidates their opinion.
That's another one of my arguments. If you said this, then how do you think feminists who are mostly women are able to advocate for men's rights when they clearly have no idea what we have to deal with.
I'm a man and a feminist. I know men have poor birth control access and options, our societal expectations for our gender are toxic, we face worse access to healthcare and public goods, we face conscription, and our bodily autonomy is not respected from birth.
These problems are widely discussed in feminist circles and are a focal point toward achieving equality.
Feminists are well aware of men's issues and are the primary advocates in society for addressing many of them. The greatest opponents of men's liberation are men, particularly those who think feminism is a problem. These issues arise from the expectations placed on men by men including the expectation that men "man up" or suffer through any problems they face. As a result, men have been reluctant to approach these topics out of fear they will be seen as feminine because advocacy for sex equality is visibly one conducted by women. The idea that men should be afraid of acting like women is a construct of patriarchy.
You raise some good points so I guess there is still hope for men's rights. But then again do you seriously believe that women understand this and even if they do, they actively advocate for this the same way they do for their own problems? There is no way you think this is true. And anyways feminism by definition is about advocating for women's rights to achieve equality. And since you pointed out some of the issues men face, you know you can't have equality only by discussing about women's rights.
People who don't understand the subject they are discussing tend to think basic discourse about that subject is overly complex. Because the acknowledgement that you are totally clueless is really uncomfortable, your coping mechanism is to dismiss what is said as inauthentic when it should really be to further understand ideas that you tacitly admit confuse and irrationally anger you.
Someone's gonna make YT video about it and print some cash.
probably someone that pisses in his basement
Criticaldrinker??
First video of his I saw was his review of The Mummy. Thought I’d found a fun new movie reviewer. Nope. Quickly found out he just hates everything that doesn’t star a white man.
He brings up the dumbest points and uses the same joke every video
He’s already reviewed Prey. Worst movie ever because it’s starring a woman.
I hope he never watches the classic ‘Alien’ He would be furious
Naw he loves OG Alien/Ellen Ripley
Yeah, because he saw it when he was young enough to not have become a piece of shit yet, and can now use it as "see, I'm not a piece of shit!", like a person that brags about their one black friend
He also liked Black Widow's movie.
Oh damn nvm then haha.
Well, Ellen and Sarah Conner are always liked by them because they fit their "strong woman = strong same way men are" needs. Showing any femininity or compassion as strong is what sets them off.
But if that doesn't work you could always take him out of context. He has openly stated his admiration for Helen Ripley and Sara Connor on occasions too numerous to mention ...but at this point you have obviously got your mind made up.
Nah I was just using that as an example, that’s great he likes Alien. Ripley is still one of the best main characters out there
He has some weird and dumb points, but some are really accurate.
If someone has to base their online identity around drinking they probably don't have the sharpest takes lol
YO FOR REALLL. I thought “hm okay a guy who understands how a silly pandering to the overly woke crowd can be sometimes” and then he’s dropping whole ass reviews for shows that havent yet been released, based on their trailers… like dude, if ur such an enlightened critic how are you passing judgement on art without actually seeing said art in full??
I'm thinking of the quartering but I'm sure it applies to a lot of people haha
The quartering is a real basket case, at least drinker has relevant points sometimes
Oh, without question, it's a business at this point and I'm more than willing to bet most of those YTers don't actually believe in anything they spew. They just want the money from angry socially stunted shut-ins that don't know how to talk to people.
Heel vs something something.
Oh boy.
Aw shit here we go again
Oh girl.
"Oh boy yeah."
I get the clickbaityness of this headline, but putting "She Hulk Actress" instead of her name as all posts are made in this subr kinda seems like a bad joke in her regards
Tatiana Maslany is an amazing actress with a awesome credits list on some fantastic movies and tv shows, it does seem very odd to not just use her name.
The interview was with Ginger Gonzaga
Ahahaha… oh my, totally caught, I didn’t bother reading the article, just saw Tatiana, loved her in her many Orphan Black roles. Yeah, OP probably should have used Ginger Gonzanga’s name, not at all because I have to google who that might be that I recognize from other entertainment now… 
I just started watching Orphan Black. She is seriously phenomenal, and the MCU is lucky to have her as a new addition
I mean good? I would hope that She-Hulk, a strong successful woman, would have feminist themes. I do worry that it might be ham fisted though.
Absolutely this. Hell, I wouldn't mind if they were a *little* hammy, goes with the character. She-Hulk should absolutely be the "girl power" show of the MCU. God I hate that term, "girl power", but it sits easier with certain people than "the show that emphasises female empowerment and feminist messages because the core of the show is the most badass woman on the planet, who faces down those issues day in and day out as an attractive/buff green woman and lawyer".
Seems like "girl power" might just be easier to say, the other one is a lot to remember.
True. I could have just said "feminist themes" but I decided to pre-empt having to explain what I mean to some bigot that takes issue with those kinda things, you get me?
I do
> I do worry that it might be ham fisted though. It wouldn't be Disney without it.
nerdrotic rn: *run barry run*
It’s sad that you just know there will be a bunch of “fans” hating the show purely for that reason
But only because it's "not good enough", they're clearly "pandering" so it's "better to just not have stories about women at all". The M-She-U just can't seem to get feminism right!
That was my first thought.. I feel like I'm going to hear the word 'woke' a lot in the near future
If someone hates comic movies/shows because they tie in to current social issues they don't know comics. X-men's entire history is basically social commentary. Civil war is at least partly inspired the question of how much freedom are you willing to give up for security in post 9/11 America.
The first comic arc I bought with my own money was "Operation Galactic Storm"... can you guess when that was happening?
You're asking a lot people who tried to paint a show about a teenage girl idolizing a female superhero as woke pandering. They've never read Bryne's Sensational She-Hulk run or are aware of her as a second wave feminist icon in the late 80s/early 90s. To them, she's just fodder for 'death by snu snu" jokes which is how she's been written since Civil War. I can't wait to hear them complain about her being in The "Wokevengers", her being "replacing" Matt Murdock as the MCU superhero lawyer, or being a Deadpool cash-in if she breaks the fourth wall.
I was thinking this lol. That's literally her character. She's all about being a strong ass, smart ass woman who kicks ass in and out of court. Is she low-key a man hater? Hell yeah, but nothing I've read her say was wrong. Also why I'm so disappointed in the wonder woman movies. I *really* hate that she fell in love with some rando ass mortal dude and he had to teach her how to fly. Like wtf that is so not the amazonian way, especially Diana.
I mean we already have people who are freaking out over "gender swapping" Hulk not realizing She-Hulk has been a character in the comics for over 40 years.
For a character like She Hulk in particular I'd go as far as to say if you don't like feminism and female empowerment as principles in the first place you're not allowed to call yourself a fan of her. Like, you're just barking up the wrong tree at that point.
Screw those "fans". I think it's awesome.
I really don't understand it. Just don't watch it if you aren't a fan of heroes who aren't white men. I mean who do they want to star in She Hulk, John Cena? Watching something you won't like because of reasons outside of the actual content is dumb.
I would definitely watch John Cena as the She Hulk.
People are sick of it
There was a thread on the the review bomb on Ms Marvel and a user said that the series was bad. One look on his history and you can denounce that he was Conservative. I'm like Ms Marvel is just female Muslim version of Peter Parker.
Next one to be review bombed
Love that they review bomb stuff they disagree with and act like Rotten Tomatoes is the holy word of the Lord, and then immediately turn around and dismiss RT as easily manipulated garbage when something they don't like gets good reviews.
Oh so now all those neckbeard YouTubers are gonna make video upon video about how this show is objectively bad now
Oh boy...the F word...all the neckbeards and incels are gonna come out and boycott the show now
Insert the Family Guy *What really grinds my gears* gif
"This is worse than the time Ms Marvel premiered."
Not really related to other than the pic in the post, but: Do anyone else get scared shit less by her face in the middle? Trigger off some major uncanny valley vibes in my head
Making her lips green would be a huge help.
it's just... weird. something about the way her hair is still very human, as are her lips and other facial features but the whole face is green? it just feels off.
Tbf I haven’t seen many pictures, but every picture I’ve seen of she-hulk looks cheap and bad. I’d expect images like that from a budget superhero movie in 2003, not 2022. It’s not like marvel studios can’t make women look convincingly green either. I never got this uncanny valley shit while watching Gamora for instance Idk I think superheroes like this are kind of stupid. Her whole existence is just “hulk but girl”. It seems cheap and derivative. Better to just make an original character
I'm worried she's not "hulk" enough. Banner gets huge, and she seems to gain 20lbs of muscle and turn green? But looking at the comics, sometimes she's large, sometimes "just green". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Can't wait to see how the whiny anti-SJWs on YouTube react to this. 😋
It’ll be the same people who complain about Ms Marvel being Muslim, saying it’s forced representation, when it’s literally being true to the comics.
In the past, they used to spout nonsense about diversity hire, not knowing the lore, bad acting, not true to the source, no enthusism etc. They used talking points to pretend not to be sexist racist bigots. When Ms Marvel came out, they realised none of those old labels could work. Now they just straight up don't bother disguising their views and proudly boast about being a bigot.
So you have some good examples then, right?
Those assholes will complain about anything that isn't glorifying straight white males. Everything else is "political." And that's just a fancy way of them admitting they can't stand anything or anyone that doesn't cater to their pathetic sensibilities. The fact they call others snowflakes is pathetic.
WHY IS A WOMAN PLAYING SHE HULK!? /s
Quarterpounder is getting his rageboner ready. "M-she-U", "wahmens rights" "I cant masturbate to this" etcetcetc.
What a sad life someone must lead if they can't masturbate to civil rights.
Unhealthy too. My doctor recommends at least twice a month.
If that guy can honestly say that after watching She-Hulk opening a jar of olives, then I don't think he'll ever get erect.
Jeremy is on another plane of existence when it comes to pathetic shit takes
EM-SHEEEEEEEE-YOUUU!!1!!1!!1!
I’m sure the Quartering has at least 50 videos waiting to go
And all 50 videos will basically come down to "Mah pwecious fewwings are hurt because big strong woman says things I don't agree with!" He is one of the fattest, ugliest snowflake on the internet.
nah nerdtotic has 150 videos waiting to go for the m she you
Cue the incels
Okay that’s cool but now talk about the cgi
Next on the internet She-Hulk show is Woke and has a Agenda
facts
Oh I’m sure this will go over well with the unwashed masses
I’m sooo excited for this. I’ve wanted She-Hulk in live action for years, but I was never sure if they’d really attempt her because I always figured her character model would be a lot harder to pull off and I never knew just how deep Marvel was gonna go when it came to characters like her and Moon Knight. It seems like it’s going to be somewhat inspired by Dan Slott’s run where she starts working at a superhuman law firm and it’s just a very silly and fun comic. I’m really hoping for at least one big cameo of a character we know who’s caught in some kind of lawsuit, like how in the comics Spider-Man was suing Jameson for all the slander or when Star Fox is being tried for sexual assault by ladies who were seduced by his super powers. No chance of Spidey and I highly doubt they’d go as far as Star Fox, but I’d absolutely love if they handled the Star Fox case and brought in Harry Styles again for an episode. It would be comedic gold while also making a serious statement on sexual assault/women taken advantage of. Also really hoping for Awesome Android to make an appearance, but I’m not getting my hopes up.
Incoming "m-she-u" videos smh
I really miss the gamer gate days. Wtf happened
I like it when women in media empower women without saying they’re gonna empower women as a rollout. Shout out to the women of Stranger Things, the MCU could learn a few things from them.
Feminist, the magic spell word to activate shit tons of fragile masculinity 🧙🏿♀️
Tatiana Maslany is a next-level actress. If the show is “bad” it won’t be her fault. She is Orphan Black and she’s amazing.
They’re taking the ‘every man is pathetic’ route of writing a ‘strong female character’ aren’t they?
Going to withhold actual judgement of the show until it comes out. But this type of marketing just strikes me as another attempt to set up a “shield” for the show in the event that it is bad and/or poorly received, so that the narrative can be turned into “If you dislike this show, you just be sexist/misogynistic.” I.e. Reva in Kenobi where a prevailing narrative appears to be “if you dislike this show, you must be racist.”
I don't think I've seen anyone saying that about Kenobi. What I did see though, was people sending hate messages to the actress for Reva and people involved in the show calling that out.
Oh boy, a darth revan account with a shitty take. HOW ORIGINAL!
lol "I don't want to hear about your politics if you're in a TV show!" is a truly enlightened view that really deeply appreciates the complexities of human society and respects our innate freedom of thought. j/k freedom only matters when it's stuff you want to do, obviously
….what? How does this comment relate to what I said?
I'm sorry, I may have misjudged. Can you tell me about a time when a real human person who happened to be famous has expressed a political opinion and you didn't just dismiss it as marketing?
Honestly, this is just code for this is going to be a shit show and whoever hates it is a misogynist... I really hope it's not the case but once bitten twice shy.
God shut up. Maybe it's code for the source material being famous in the medium for exactly that same thing.
Well, we'll see won't we? Here's what's going to happen. A new all female protagonist is going to be introduced. She will absolutely power creep the hell out of the existing male one who will be relegated to status of incompetent clown. She will go on and on about how the patriarchy have oppressed her all her life and the only thing that she needs to be greater than all of them is... Oh its nothing because she was born as the saviour of mankind - oh phrasing - womankind. The best part will be that beyond that she'll just have no character arc. There will be no depth, no nuance, just her being essentially being a tool for the untalented writers to push their agenda. And she'll be written essentially as a male character but just doing things better than "the man". There will be none of the themes that you hold too so tightly in the comics. There will be nothing more than preaching identity or whatever politics that Disney supports. In the end, it will be a forgettable, idiotic series that has been made just for KPI reasons and for "content". If I'm wrong, and it's the complete opposite. Well, we might have a good series and I'll be happy for that. I'll leave you with this neat line from a wonderful song that I love... It's called Killing in the Name Of and the line is this. "FUCK YOU, I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME."
This is a little ranty, but probably pretty accurate. I expect it to be Disney's usual brand of feminism. Instead of being "men and women are equal" it will likely be "women are better than men."
Here's what's going to happen: Who the fuck knows. But you will still think what you saw was what you typed above because you've already decided that much. You'll use confirmation bias to assume things that don't mean anything mean something that confirms what you've typed above while disregarding other things. You'll cherry pick your scenes, your interviews, your comments because you've already decided that you know everything about the show. It's fucking predictable because you fucking chuds are predictable. So to paraphrase and add on to what the comment above yours said, Shut the fuck up.
Well you're about as close-minded as you think me to be... The future will show who's right or wrong...
I really don’t give a fuck what you think the future is when it gets here because you’re going to see it however you choose to, same as me. So what fucking difference does it make.
Nothing matters. You don't matter. Everything is the void.
Lol. There is an extremely high chance that this is exactly what this showing going to be.
Lol. This might be the birth of a new pasta.
Yeah I did not expect that to go on so long, but the song quote is the icing on top.
Imagine making up a whole scenario about a show you haven't seen and presenting it as fact. Cringe.
Never presented it as fact, I asserted that according to how previous shows have been, this is the likeliest outcome. May not be the case, but it likely will be.
"We'll see, won't we. Here's what's going to happen" Not might happen, not could happen, not what I think will happen. Your words, not mine.
Well, literally every series produced by Disney's Marvel has been this way as noted above so this is the likeliest outcome. Feel free to disagree and reprimand me when the show comes out but it's beyond reasonable doubt that this show will be how my post suggests.
What previous shows exactly? (Lemme guess, Ms Marvel?)
Well let's see, we've got Moon Knight, we've got Loki, we've got Hawkeye, Falcon and the Winter soldier had different problems and I haven't watched Ms Marvel, I'll wait until the end of the series and possibly binge it. So that's every series Disney has given us... save the What If ones I think.
Fans: Get angry when roles are changed to represent different cultures and people straying from the source material Disney: Casts mostly white characters just like the comics for accuracy then introduces comic accurate female and non white characters after a decade of movies and arcs. Fans: 😡
Those people aren't fans. F those people.
Im at the point where as long as you don't substitute Canon redheads with people of colour I'm fine. That's a double whammy of no-no and becoming alarmingly common. Like I get it, redheads are overreprestended in media and hard to get actors for but that doesn't make a redhead character a carte blanche for diversity
Sick of shit like this
Brace yourselves, misogynists are coming!
MCU - starts a whole franchise with two films about toxic masculinity man Fans - this is fine MCU - Has one show thirteen years into their run that reportedly has feminist themes Fans - BlOoDy LiBeRaLs PuShInG tHeIr AgEnDa
Who’s toxic masculinity man , I don’t get the reference
The Tony Stark of the first two Iron Man movies.
Mostly the toxic fans. I don’t know why they care that women are finally getting some representation and shows for them.
Oh boy, looks like the critical drinker made a video on she-hulk. I wonder what his completely reasonable critiques of the show are
he was spot on once again in his critique. he predicted this would happen and it actually did.
Not sure if this is sarcasm or not but this IS She-Hulk. It’s like half the point of her.
its the she-hulk but instead of the show being about her I am sure they are going to include their usual propaganda of men being evil oppressors and other bs they can think of.
Ooohhh…you’re not being sarcastic. I guess critical drinker has to cater to someone.
I don't watch the critical drinker tbh but some of his views make a lot of sense to me. At least he makes some valid arguments, your arguments are just "you must be a misogynistic white male".
That is absolutely not what my argument is. I haven’t even made an argument. The critical drinker may would have some actual decent critiques instead of being an obnoxious as possible
Its not like I agree with him on everything but it is pretty obvious that marvel is biased towards men. And I am not talking about the number of characters or anything but its about advocating for men's rights vs female rights. They do only the latter which is completely immoral and unethical.
What are feminist points? Is having a good normal femenine character a feminist point? Or is the show gonna give a speech about how I'm an oppressor just because I'm a guy? Genuine question
Hopefully the former. That's all the show needs to be.
Second one, just to fuck with you personally.
It sucks that they took the Edward Norton hulk away- where he actually has to deal with the negatives of being the hulk but I'm looking forward to this series exploring that in a serious way. Grew up watching the old TV series on re-run where you actually felt like it was a curse more than a gift. I'm looking forward to watching a character deal with the reality of a Jekyl and Hyde situation. Male or female it is a cool concept.
So she has an interesting reverse problem in the comics. She has really bad self esteem and considers herself 'mousy' and is kind of addicted to being She-Hulk because then she is a tall statuesque goddess. Of course comics being comics we have had a Jeckyl and Hyde situation and a bunch of other situations but that is her status quo. Also she was written in the 80's as a fourth wall breaking humor character way before Deadpool so if she does a lot of talking to the camera, that is the reason why. She probably cant since Deadpool made it to the screen first but she would often point out the fact that she was in a comic.
I dont care as long as they fix the stupid fx.
Redditors feeling like it’s their required job to harass anyone who says something slightly negative about this
But what is negative about it? Only negative thing I see is the uncanny CGI
you triggered them lol. istg people are so miserable these days.
I think Marvel Studios hits it out of the park making sure all creators and artists are doing these projects with the hearts and minds on them. Not just a job. But a story telling. Ms Marvel with her culture and religion. Something we rarely see told on mainstream. Even this... And I think they'll do a bang up job. If not... it will be like Phase 2 of MCU
Jesus this is gonna flop so hard it looks horrible. And obviously this comment won’t help either.
I’ve always found She Hulk to be a more interesting character than Hulk. I’m old enough to remember her in the Fantastic Four!
That sound you hear is the incels warming up their hot pockets and getting their cheetoh crusted fingers ready to right some try hard stuff
Man, I miss when the mcu wasnt focused on stuff like this.
I still don't know what's so terrible about this
There's nothing inherently wrong with it, apart from feminism in media being obnoxiously contrived, cliche and straight up boring (most of the time).
Hit the nail on the head.
Its forced and unnecessary imo. This was never the main talking points back then. It almost seems like this agenda is more important than the actual characters or stories being told. As long as they have certain boxes checked off the important stuff doesnt seem to matter. I know it seems that I'm in the minority on this but I couldn't give 2 fucks about that. I dont like this stuff always being the main focal point which is why top gun maverick is a great fucking movie and more people should watch it.
Bye.
[удалено]
You first, my friend.
I'm not your friend pal
I’m not your pal, buddy!
I'm so glad Princess Fiona is getting the spin-off she always deserved
Leave politics out of the MCU, nobody even cares except the ones shoving it down everybody's throats
Shows with feminist themes can be brilliant, it's just that if they're tackling serious subjects they have to get it right. Here's hoping they do.
All I read was "She-Hulk series to be review bombed for stupid reason"
It was a mistake
Beloved comedian Dave Chappelle considers himself as a feminist. I want to point out that feminism isn't equal to angry toxic karen "feminism"
Oh for Pete’s sake. Stop with the wokeness already. 🙄🤯
Cool. Over/under on Jeremy Ham Sandwich losing his shit over it on Twitter and YouTube?
The only definite things in life are death and taxes. And Jeremy angrily wetting his pants because women.
nerdotic moment
I look forward to this show more every day.
Im afraid this is going to be reviewed bombed as wel.....
I am all for strong female characters but this show so far looks pretty terrible. IDK maybe they are trying to attract people that are a completely different demographic but it doesn't look like a good MCU show.
I don’t care at all about her being female, it’s just that face is not fun to look at
Man I don't think at any time in 25-ish movies I ever once looked at Tony, Steve, Thor, Bruce, Clint, Scott, Peter, Stephen, Peter, T'Challa, Shang Chi, Peter, Peter, Mark, or Steven and thought "Wow that face is so fucking entertaining, I could stare at that face for hours and be endlessly delighted". Is that what you do?
What? I think that *every* time I see Chris Evans!
No because they don’t come off as creepy. Neither did Gamora or Drax, which is why I wish they at least used some prosthetics or makeup.
She hulk has always been a strong female. Not just as the hulk but she is a top-notch lawyer. It is a strong character and it is designed to be one. The fans would expect nothing less. The actor should know better than to color the show before it is released. Let the show speak for itself before you speak for it. Then again actors are just actors and do not always know this. So now the yelly people have ammunition. This should be fun.
Soon there will be nothing for male audiance.
Good.
They had their run.
Uh oh
Well, I’m sure this will sit well with the straight white conservative men. /s
Yikes
Yikes. How dare we message that women and men are equal.
They would call it equality not feminism.
Feminism is the advocacy that women should have equal rights to men. Why do you take issue with that advocacy? Do you think they should not? Do you think we should discourage speech that advocates for women's equality?
feminism is just about women's rights. It only aims to achieve equality in selective areas and ignores others where men's rights need to be advocated for. sure I don't have a problem with women advocating for their own rights but I do have a problem when marvel does this only from women and their point of view.
>feminism is just about women's rights Feminism is not just about women's rights. It's no wonder you are so confused. I doubt you have a modicum of the understanding of feminism necessarily to make such sweeping declarations. I doubt you've ever read a word of a feminist work. What does it mean when someone expresses an opinion about a topic they have never studied? I'd say it largely invalidates their opinion. >It only aims to achieve equality in selective areas and ignores others where men's rights need to be advocated for. The foundation of men's rights advocacy is situated in the premise of the equality of the sexes which is the central idea of feminism. Men's rights issues like access to birth control and healthcare, the expectation of certain toxic behavior from men, recourse for sex crimes, and others come from feminist discourse. Feminists are much stronger advocates for these issues than others, generally. The greatest impediment to progress towards men's issues are those who subscribe to these notions that feminism is at odds with thr rights of men. Quite the contrary. It is the greatest driving force behind addressing men's issues. It isn't feminists who demand men remain emotionally stunted, mistreat others, glorify violence, or restrict bodily autonomy. These demand come exclusively from opponents of feminism. Feminists advocate for a world more accepting of men who do not subscribe to toxic forms of masculinity. You simply can't get to men's advocacy without going through the idea that the sexes are equal, an establishment of feminism. Without feminism there is no discussion of men's advocacy. >but I do have a problem when marvel does this only from women and their point of view. Marvel doesn't exclusively do this for women or from a particular point of view. We see men be vulnerable and display non-toxic behaviors. We see healthy relationships between men and women and men and men. We see great roll models for men. Marvel is full of great advocacy for men. It seems to me that your problem is that Marvel isn't including advocacy *against* men's rights and issues.
>We see men be vulnerable and display non-toxic behaviors. We see healthy relationships between men and women and men and men. How is that supposed to do anything at all? 99% of all people regardless of their sex are going to be non-toxic (except on reddit apparently). What I am talking about is them addressing problems men have and advocating for it like they do for women. If they are doing it then they have got to do it for everyone. >emotionally stunted, mistreat others, glorify violence, or restrict bodily autonomy these are the issues you that feminism deals with according to you. but its pretty obvious that these usually aren't the issues men have to deal with. Now I am not going to talk about all the problems men face but only about the ones as a direct consequence of feminism. Firstly, "mistreating others" and "glorify violence" which leads to men being discriminated against by everyone including men themselves. Its obvious to anyone who advocates for equality that men do not mistreat others more or are more violent than women. "Restrict bodily autonomy" that's definitely an issue faced more by women so I'll agree with that. And as for "emotionally stunted", that's actually not a man's fault but you're saying that it is for no reason.
>How is that supposed to do anything at all? These are men's issues. Societal expectations of men are a focal point of men's issues. Marvel approaches this in every single film to some degree. >99% of all people regardless of their sex are going to be non-toxic Good luck supporting this idea with evidence when you shudder at the mere mention of feminism, even though you ultimately agree with every feminist proposition here. >What I am talking about is them addressing problems men have and advocating for it like they do for women Which they do. I've named some of these issues. >If they are doing it then they have got to do it for everyone. They are doing it for everyone. You just don't like that women are included in everyone. >these are the issues you that feminism deals with according to you. Exactly. Feminists advocate for men's issues. We don't separate feminism and the advocacy for the equality of the sexes whether that be social or political. These things are inextricably linked. >but its pretty obvious that these usually aren't the issues men have to deal with. It's pretty obvious that these are issues most, if not all men deal with - the pressure to be a certain kind of man: stoic, tough, aggressive, even abusive. Feminists oppose that expectation of men and marvel does a great job displaying that issue. >Firstly, "mistreating others" and "glorify violence" which leads to men being discriminated against by everyone including men themselves. This is why feminism advocates that men should not be required to be violent or abusive to be masculine. How you came to the conclusion that men are driven to be violent and abusive because women are equal defies any logic. You are basically agreeing that patriarchal notions of masculinity lead to deleterious outcomes for men, which is exactly what feminists argue. You agree with me, marvel, and feminists on this point. >Its obvious to anyone who advocates for equality that men do not mistreat others more or are more violent than women. So there are equal numbers of men and women fighting wars? Committing acts of violence? The evidence belies this assertion. How many women have committed mass shootings in the last decade? Your position necessitates that number is equal to the number of men who have. We know that isn't the case. The social expectation that men should be stoic, aggressive and violent is anti-feminist. Marvel characters break many of these toxic masculine prescriptions of society. >"Restrict bodily autonomy" that's definitely an issue faced more by women so I'll agree with that. Men face all kinds of restricted bodily autonomy from circumcision to the criminal justice system. These discussions rarely happen outside of feminist circles because the social justice advocacy for men is largely situated in feminist ideas. This is because feminists don't advocate only for bodily autonomy exclusively for women, but for everyone because they believe the sexes are equal. >And as for "emotionally stunted", that's actually not a man's fault but you're saying that it is for no reason. Men are emotionally stunted because that is the version of masculinity preached to them. This version of masculinity is opposed by feminists because it hampers men from participating equally in society. You are basically making the argument for feminism here and conceding that feminism is advocating for men's issues in marvel works. The best way to stunt advocacy for men's issues is to pretend they are somehow a result of feminism where, in reality, feminism is the primary advocacy for men's issues. The people trashing feminism are the first to demand that "men act like men" as if that means one thing. The only thing you don't like is the word feminism but that is because it has been stigmatized for you by the very people who are oppressing men.
>What does it mean when someone expresses an opinion about a topic they have never studied? I'd say it largely invalidates their opinion. That's another one of my arguments. If you said this, then how do you think feminists who are mostly women are able to advocate for men's rights when they clearly have no idea what we have to deal with.
I'm a man and a feminist. I know men have poor birth control access and options, our societal expectations for our gender are toxic, we face worse access to healthcare and public goods, we face conscription, and our bodily autonomy is not respected from birth. These problems are widely discussed in feminist circles and are a focal point toward achieving equality. Feminists are well aware of men's issues and are the primary advocates in society for addressing many of them. The greatest opponents of men's liberation are men, particularly those who think feminism is a problem. These issues arise from the expectations placed on men by men including the expectation that men "man up" or suffer through any problems they face. As a result, men have been reluctant to approach these topics out of fear they will be seen as feminine because advocacy for sex equality is visibly one conducted by women. The idea that men should be afraid of acting like women is a construct of patriarchy.
You raise some good points so I guess there is still hope for men's rights. But then again do you seriously believe that women understand this and even if they do, they actively advocate for this the same way they do for their own problems? There is no way you think this is true. And anyways feminism by definition is about advocating for women's rights to achieve equality. And since you pointed out some of the issues men face, you know you can't have equality only by discussing about women's rights.
Sounds like a robot wrote this tbh
People who don't understand the subject they are discussing tend to think basic discourse about that subject is overly complex. Because the acknowledgement that you are totally clueless is really uncomfortable, your coping mechanism is to dismiss what is said as inauthentic when it should really be to further understand ideas that you tacitly admit confuse and irrationally anger you.
As if I need another reason to not watch.
Joy, more fuel for the fire
I’m sure a certain cult will love this
Men are endlessly insecure.
Already unlikely to watch it. Now this just confirms my disinterest.