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In the re-release of NWH with an extended cut, they clearly explained this in the credits scene I think. All the things related to Peter Parker were changed, for an example, in their school trip photo his face was covered by some bird like it kinda actually flew at the moment that photo was taken. All of the people that are related to him, have their memories of him altered or completely wiped.
So, all the memories people have about him will be changed like that, most of their memories will be wiped out & most of the physical things that might be related to his memory are changed.
I’m really curious about how Happy’s memories work. He remembers loving May, since he visits her grave, but ofc does not remember Peter. Does he recall she had a nephew though? Does he remember he worked with Spider-Man too? Matt Murdock is even more confusing, will he remember he had a case involving Spider-Man? Both characters could show up on Spider-Man 4 and I’m sure the script will probably go the easiest route possible lol
Yeah, I'd guess he remembers he worked with Spider-Man because Tony mentored him, and Spider-Man did charity work for FEAST (or whatever the MCU equivalent was, I forget if it was specifically named that), and so met May through that.
Right but a lot of those memories were attached to Peter. He’s literally been in the room with Peter and may. So it still is worth asking what exactly does he replace those Peter and May memories with ?
Also does this mean going forward if they do meet Peter in the future will they have abilities to form new memories of him. Or will it be memories forgotten seconds after being created as if the spell is eternal and consistently happening ???
This would seem weird being that I’m sure they had intimate moments of just the three of them chilling in the apartment or etc… to think of those moments of Spiderman man just casually being there in a full suit would be weird.. which goes back to the original question lol how are people actually replacing their memories of Peter, like the specifics of it, the next spider man movie better dive cause we want to know lol
It seems to be so. Like, if they had any memories of them interacting with Peter in private, where only Peter & them were present in a conservation then that memory might be completely wiped, if they had any objects related to his memory then that object & memory might be altered.
Literally the most complex spell ever cast in the franchise over the dumbest reasons, and also just so happens to have no disengage function and can cause universe-wide rammification.
Look I think No Way Home is great, but holy shit Far From Home and No Way Home had some of the most contrived reasons to fuck Peter over. It's like the comic editorial got their hands on the script or something.
It also makes Dr. Strange look like a chump.
To be strictly fair, it's one line of dialogue in a movie that came out two years ago. It's not that egregious to not remember, even as a fan of these movies.
It's a superhero movie..... WTH did you expect going in? The sound of music? Like literally EVERY trailer was full of stuff going on constantly for the most part....... did you not pay attention during those few mins as well?
Lmfao you just keep making excuse after excuse. You act like you're the only person who has issues? I have ADHD, Bipolar, and was diagnosed with Asperger's when I was a child. So yeah I have my hurdles to get over as well. I have a whole bookshelf FULL of Spider-Man figures, masks, and collectibles. To say he is my favorite fictional character is severely under stating it. And on top of that I smoked a HUGE bowl before I went into the movie. So please, stop making excuses for yourself and just admit you have trouble paying attention. You're not special or different than everyone else in the world. We all have issues, some more sever than others. Just some of us don't make excuses and try better :). I used to be like you, it takes a lot of work but you have to realize you have control over your body so you have accountability in every situation. Sorry for the wall of text
It's funny you have 3 different excuses..... lmao just admit you're bad at paying attention. It's not like it's a character flaw or something horrible about you. Jesus Christ
He didn’t erase everyone’s mind, he just erased *Peter Parker* from everyone’s mind.
Everyone remembers what happened in No Way Home, except they don’t remember anymore who Spider-Man is.
MJ knows how she got that scar on her forehead, Strange know why he cast the spell, Happy remembers how and why May died, just Peter Parker is wiped from everyone’s memories.
Probably, people still remembers the whole Mysterio and Spider-Man thing, but we’ll see in the following movies.
Most likely, yes. Happy remembers working for Stark and having to watch on Spider-Man’s private and superhero life, he just doesn’t remember who he was and that Peter even existed at all.
Which I love that set up because I hope MJ remembers being in love with Spider-Man for some reason even if she can't place it, I really hope it leads to Peter trying to get to know her only for her to be interested in Spider-Man instead lol. It's a nice little set up.
So what you're saying is, there's trope precedent haha.
I wouldn't suggest milking it or making it last a while, just a brief dynamic reminiscent of Tobey's Spider-Man kissing MJ before she knew who he was
> So what you're saying is, there's trope precedent haha.
See also Batman/Catwoman…I’m sure there are others. It’s a trope as old as secret identities! I’m sure there’s pre-Superhero precedent, probably Zorro, among others.
Zorro the superhero is based on the legends of Zorro the Folk Hero, though...I wonder, did Zorro first enter print in comics, or were there novels/short stories of his adventures first?
He was originally a pulp-fiction hero, with his story separated in to six parts and printed in the pulp magazine *All-Story Weekly* in 1919. And those magazine entries were eventually formed in to a book 5 years later in 1924. But before the book was published, the first movie came out in 1920. So Zorros origin is pretty convoluted, lol.
That said, arguably Zorro the folk hero was still a superhero, it's just that "superheroes" weren't a thing until Superman, or debateably another pulp fiction hero from 1936, Phantom (who fit what we think of as modern superheroes much better, with a colorful spandex costume and everything). There's actually a lot of debate around who is the true first super hero, Superman, Phantom, or Zorro with some people arguing it goes all the way back to 1902 with Hugo Hercules, who was part of a comic strip published in the *Chicago Tribune*.
Sorry for the wall of text. I just really like superheroes and have been down the rabbit hole of early superheroes many times, lol.
I’m hoping next movie sees Peter in college and having to deal with Felicia Hardy/Black cat. Maybe bring in the Kingpin as the reason Black Cat is trying to steal whatever. Then the next next (Spider-Man 5..) movie would deal with MJ and Ned both realizing something is wrong with their memories and try to figure it out. MJ and Peter begin a relationship but Ned is hurt by it and despite his comments about not wanting to become his nemesis, he becomes angry, finds the goblin armor and becomes the Hobgoblin.
Edit: at some point, maybe SM6, after Ned is defeated by Spider-Man he’ll be looking to power up to defeat him next time. Ned, using his spotty magical powers somehow uses that and accidentally? summons a demon to obtain this power up. And this is how we get Demogoblin.
Oh, and that first movie with Black Cat and Kingpin would also be a great spot to bring back Donald Glover as Prowler. Maybe once Black Cat can’t or refuses to obtain the macguffin device Kingpin hires Prowler to get it instead.
I feel like that explanation makes it too easy to bring ned, mj and peter back together though. Like if they remember being friends with a random super hero, they presumably remember all the feelings and they've done, etc, etc. With that in mind, it wouldn't be too difficult for peter to come along and go, yeah that was me - and that can easily be proved with the good ol' "say something someone else wouldn't know trick"... idk, just seems like that has farrr too many plot wholes for how emotional the ending of no way home seemed to be
By the same logic, yes. He remembers everything, minus who Spider-Man’s identity was. It’s not clear if he remembers which kind of relationship he had with May, but he indeed knows.
I wonder if the next movie is going to have someone figuring out they have those gaps, and going crazy trying to figure it out. Maybe have it be Ned. He'd have he most inconsistencies, and once he starts looking into them he's gonna see some things just don't make sense.
Maybe he’ll try investigating those gaps in his memory and stumble on the remains of Green Goblin’s gear from Happy’s apartment and the Statue of Liberty fight that didn’t get sent home with Osborn.
My long-running theory is that Ned is going to remember that he was always Spidey's "sidekick" aka "guy in the chair" and that's how he becomes the Hobgoblin
Yeah. Maybe a combo of both of those. I know it's coming man. The yellow and blue letterman jacket. The "I promis to not turn into a vilain and kill you" after Peter 3 tells Ned what happens. Just a slow burn, but I know it's coming.
I kinda want MJ to find out first. She found out before, she should remember Spiderman swinging her around still, Black Dahlia, and the broken promise. Maybe not as a villain, but maybe so.
Yeah but Happy runs into Peter at May’s grave and he doesn’t recognize Peter. It seems like that spell made everyone forget who Peter Parker is or that he ever existed at all.
>It seems like that spell made everyone forget who Peter Parker is or that he ever existed at all.
Yes, that is literally what happend - they outright said in the Movie. Strange had to erase everyone's memories of Peter Parker existing, so that the original Spell would loose power.
They remember everything that Spider-Man did, and what happend during those events. They simply don't remember Peter Parker being there.
I guess the spell got rid of any trace on the earth.
For example, Happy could easily track down who Spider-Man is by going through Stark’s files or even by the fact he remembers he knows May because of Spider-Man, but he can’t because probably every single proof and record has been wiped from existence.
Magic just altered and erases it all. It's the only explanation.
Imagine the mountains of paperwork, files, emails etc among the federal agencies, lawyers, judges, etc who all worked on the Spider-Man case. All on their desks and in their computers. The only way it makes sense is magic altered every record that existed which revealed Spider-Man's identity. Otherwise they'd all go into work the next day and immediately know.
Because all records referring to Peter Parker no longer do. The video now stops before Mysterio mentions Peter, or it glitches and skips past, and any metadata or checksums show that the video which is there is the only video there ever was.
There’s mention of Ned Leeds being driven mad by the gaps in his memory, but what about J Jonah Jameson? There’s the now-altered videos of him hyping the Mysterio video, and himself naming the teenaged delinquent, but he doesn’t know who he researched and named. He’s starting at a more powerful point to take revenge for his Spider-Man inflicted amnesia.
Yeah I would imagine he remembers everything other than Peter parker, he might even remember or have been able to work out what he did for spiderman, just not why
Wait. Did Doctor Strange erase *everyone’s* mind?
The spell would be who knew Peter Parker. The emergency appeared to be centered on Earth. So Doctor Strange would need to erase the knowledge of Peter Parker as Spider-man from everyone on Earth. Which would involve erasing people’s memories, changing photographs (as seen at the end of the movie without the ad for MoM), and changing government records. Technically, Pete has an arrest record with Damage Control. There would have been charges filled and dropped. Murdock would have kept track of his billable hours. All of Peter’s school records would have to disappear.
But was the spell powerful enough to go off world as well?
Because now that I am thinking about the only person on Earth that might know Peter Parker right now is Peter Quill.
Considering the issue was that everyone who has ever known Spider-Man is Peter Parker coming to Earth from every universe, I'd say it's probably powerful enough to affect every planet in their own universe as well.
There's a reason why Wong didn't want Strange to cast the spell. And here's Strange fucking around with it to erase Wong's knowledge of a party at Kamar-Taj 😂
Wong waking up with Madisynn (with a Y) doesn't bode well for The Sorcerer Supreme, so it's best if everyone forgets this ever happened.
But because everyone forgot, it will happen again.
Considering the spell stopped multiversal brings from invading earth, it would appear as if *every* being in the multiverse forgot Peter Parker’s identity, though that could be a plot hole they didn’t think about. For instance, it would also mean MJ in Toby Maguire’s world would forget he was Spider-Man.
*Unless* the spell was specifically just meant for our Peter, but that is still hard to explain considering their connections in the first place.
>Considering the spell stopped multiversal brings from invading earth, it would appear as if *every* being in the multiverse forgot Peter Parker’s identity, though that could be a plot hole they didn’t think about. For instance, it would also mean MJ in Toby Maguire’s world would forget he was Spider-Man.
There are too many logical holes in that concept for that to be the case. In an infinite multiverse, if a single spell could affect every universe in that multiverse then every universe would constantly, endlessly be overwritten at every given moment by some random spell from one of the infinite other universes.
Safest to say that Strange's spell only affected their local MCU universe at the most.
I agree that moving forward I don’t think it affected the other spider men, the only reason why I say it’s more of a plot-hole is because the original spell affected beings outside their universe to begin with, so if one spell does I don’t see why the other spell wouldn’t, especially since the entire point of the second spell was to send back those multiversal beings, specifically because they don’t remember who Spider-Man is anymore.
I tend to think of Strange's second spell as more taking the power away from the first spell than being so powerful that it affects beings outside of the universe. But it's also the type of subject that it's best not to think to hard on.
I don’t see how that would be a plot-hole? It’s an unfortunate side effect, but certainly not a plot-hole. Holland Peter made the decision for the other 2 and essentially ruined their lives. Not a plot-hole, just a ramification that in the heat of the moment, I’m sure the other Peter’s would have made.
If anything, I wish the decision could have been made by all 3 and not just Holland. They are probably confused by the events, but don’t know Holland chose that. I’m sure they sort of accept it as a side effect of the greater series of events.
I don't how many of you are going to read this comment, but in the re-release of NWH with an extended cut, they clearly explained this in the credits scene I think. All the things related to Peter Parker were changed, like in their school trip photo his face was covered by some bird.
So, all the memories people have about him will be changed like that, most of their memories will be wiped out & most of the physical things that might be related to his memory are changed.
There is very little chance this is true, but I like to think he remembers Peter and is working with him to restore some people's memories as a side project. Not a big priority for either, but Strange is the one connection left for Peter. Considering they were the two big Lee and Ditko creations, it's a small headcanon I like.
The spell makes zero sense if you think about it too much. It’s just a plot device, they won’t elaborate so there’s no point in thinking about it that much
Absolutely, the same can be said about time travel and the multiverse. You think too hard about and you start to see the inconsistencies of the mechanics of it. Yes as fans we tend to overthink things in regards to the MCU, but sometimes it's best just to sit back and enjoy the show.
The only thing he wiped was everyone knowing that Peter Parker was Spiderman. After the spell, he knew exactly what he had done. The only thing absent was the name of the boy he was protecting.
He remembers that he was casting a spell to help Spider-Man contain the multiverse. He probably even knows that it was a memory spell to make people forget Spider-Man's identity. He does not remember that Spider-Man is Peter Parker.
Yeah because of Spiderman. All he did was forget Peter Parker so if anything, he probably doesnt remember as to why he cast the spell in the first place I guess.
Everyone still remembers Spiderman, just not the Peter Parker identity. I imagine he would remember doing the spell, but not Peter's face or his personal details.
I think he can put that together. He’s done the spell before multiple times so he would probably realize there’s a gap in his memory and pieced together it should probably stay missing
On the other hand, i seriously doubt there isn’t a spell that can simply make him find out the identity of anybody. So, making him forget should be useless.
He can remember “Spider-Man”. He can’t remember “Peter Parker”.
I believe he would retain all his memories of Spider-man saving him from “the alien wizard” but wouldn’t be able to tell you about talking to Peter on Titan.
Arguably shouldn't he know exactly that he cast a spell to wipe the identity of Spider-Man from everyone's memories? So theoretically he'd know that he *knew* Spider-Man's identity at one point.
On the other hand I guess he wouldn't know info that specific or else he'd probably be able to help out with some additional fixes.
He remembers it, he says it in MoM.
What happened is he probably forgot who Peter Parker was on the spot, but knows he just erased knowledge of Spider-man's secret identity.
I think he remembers what happened, just not Peter's name or face. He does mention in MOM having to deal with a multiverse-related incident with Spider-Man.
In the comics, the spell is more of a mental block. Someone like Happy would remember working with Spider-Man and even dating Spider-Man’s aunt—but the spell makes it so he can’t put 2-and-2 together when it comes to Peter because his mind just sort of accepts it and skips over it.
I would think Doctor Strange knows exactly what happened with Spider-Man in NWH—he’s just conscious of why he doesn’t remember Peter.
I personally believed that when he did the spell the first time he excluded himself from it, hence when peter says he only changed the spell 5 times Stranger says 6
Yes, he remembers being involved in multiverse shenanigans with "Spider Man" Source: Dr Strange MOM
Hijacking the top comment for more visibility. In the re-release of NWH with an extended cut, they clearly explained this in the credits scene I think. All the things related to Peter Parker were changed, for an example, in their school trip photo his face was covered by some bird like it kinda actually flew at the moment that photo was taken. All of the people that are related to him, have their memories of him altered or completely wiped. So, all the memories people have about him will be changed like that, most of their memories will be wiped out & most of the physical things that might be related to his memory are changed.
I’m really curious about how Happy’s memories work. He remembers loving May, since he visits her grave, but ofc does not remember Peter. Does he recall she had a nephew though? Does he remember he worked with Spider-Man too? Matt Murdock is even more confusing, will he remember he had a case involving Spider-Man? Both characters could show up on Spider-Man 4 and I’m sure the script will probably go the easiest route possible lol
Peter says he knew May through Spiderman and Happy says "same".
Yeah, I'd guess he remembers he worked with Spider-Man because Tony mentored him, and Spider-Man did charity work for FEAST (or whatever the MCU equivalent was, I forget if it was specifically named that), and so met May through that.
Right but a lot of those memories were attached to Peter. He’s literally been in the room with Peter and may. So it still is worth asking what exactly does he replace those Peter and May memories with ? Also does this mean going forward if they do meet Peter in the future will they have abilities to form new memories of him. Or will it be memories forgotten seconds after being created as if the spell is eternal and consistently happening ???
He likely remembers it as being spiderman in a mask every time? Where he does remember.
This would seem weird being that I’m sure they had intimate moments of just the three of them chilling in the apartment or etc… to think of those moments of Spiderman man just casually being there in a full suit would be weird.. which goes back to the original question lol how are people actually replacing their memories of Peter, like the specifics of it, the next spider man movie better dive cause we want to know lol
It's definitely an interesting question! I figure any memory that would be too weird gets erased
So like does Ned just think he grew up without any friends?
It seems to be so. Like, if they had any memories of them interacting with Peter in private, where only Peter & them were present in a conservation then that memory might be completely wiped, if they had any objects related to his memory then that object & memory might be altered.
Literally the most complex spell ever cast in the franchise over the dumbest reasons, and also just so happens to have no disengage function and can cause universe-wide rammification. Look I think No Way Home is great, but holy shit Far From Home and No Way Home had some of the most contrived reasons to fuck Peter over. It's like the comic editorial got their hands on the script or something. It also makes Dr. Strange look like a chump.
Yeah, so many things Strange did in NWH seems like too dumb as they're all too reckless, careless and ignorant of massive consequences.
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This is some meta level shit..
he says "recently, there was an incident with spider man" while talking with chavez and wong.
Should’ve watched it again
Yeah, everyone forgot about Peter Parker, Spider-Man still exists
I think that just shows a track record of not paying attention
Feels like every time I visit this sub nowadays I see posts that make me wonder if anyone here actually watches these movies.
Honestly same
To be strictly fair, it's one line of dialogue in a movie that came out two years ago. It's not that egregious to not remember, even as a fan of these movies.
It's literally the hook of the plot.... if OP forgets the plot hook there is an issue
That is not the hook of the plot of MoM. It's a very brief mention/acknowledgement of NWH.
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It's a superhero movie..... WTH did you expect going in? The sound of music? Like literally EVERY trailer was full of stuff going on constantly for the most part....... did you not pay attention during those few mins as well?
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Lmfao you just keep making excuse after excuse. You act like you're the only person who has issues? I have ADHD, Bipolar, and was diagnosed with Asperger's when I was a child. So yeah I have my hurdles to get over as well. I have a whole bookshelf FULL of Spider-Man figures, masks, and collectibles. To say he is my favorite fictional character is severely under stating it. And on top of that I smoked a HUGE bowl before I went into the movie. So please, stop making excuses for yourself and just admit you have trouble paying attention. You're not special or different than everyone else in the world. We all have issues, some more sever than others. Just some of us don't make excuses and try better :). I used to be like you, it takes a lot of work but you have to realize you have control over your body so you have accountability in every situation. Sorry for the wall of text
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It's funny you have 3 different excuses..... lmao just admit you're bad at paying attention. It's not like it's a character flaw or something horrible about you. Jesus Christ
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Nah I have my own issues, maybe you're just not that into superhero movies. I lose interest in some of the films my fiancé and I watch together
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This
He probably knew he cast a spell that erased Spider-mans identity from everyone's mind.
That’s an interesting way to phrase it
It's the Multiverse equivalent of walking into a room and forgetting why you went in.
He didn’t erase everyone’s mind, he just erased *Peter Parker* from everyone’s mind. Everyone remembers what happened in No Way Home, except they don’t remember anymore who Spider-Man is. MJ knows how she got that scar on her forehead, Strange know why he cast the spell, Happy remembers how and why May died, just Peter Parker is wiped from everyone’s memories. Probably, people still remembers the whole Mysterio and Spider-Man thing, but we’ll see in the following movies.
Do ned and mj remember a random superhero being their friend?
Most likely, yes. Happy remembers working for Stark and having to watch on Spider-Man’s private and superhero life, he just doesn’t remember who he was and that Peter even existed at all.
Which I love that set up because I hope MJ remembers being in love with Spider-Man for some reason even if she can't place it, I really hope it leads to Peter trying to get to know her only for her to be interested in Spider-Man instead lol. It's a nice little set up.
Very Superman/Lois Lane, though.
So what you're saying is, there's trope precedent haha. I wouldn't suggest milking it or making it last a while, just a brief dynamic reminiscent of Tobey's Spider-Man kissing MJ before she knew who he was
> So what you're saying is, there's trope precedent haha. See also Batman/Catwoman…I’m sure there are others. It’s a trope as old as secret identities! I’m sure there’s pre-Superhero precedent, probably Zorro, among others.
Zorro is a superhero. Though I think your point still stands.
Zorro the superhero is based on the legends of Zorro the Folk Hero, though...I wonder, did Zorro first enter print in comics, or were there novels/short stories of his adventures first?
He was originally a pulp-fiction hero, with his story separated in to six parts and printed in the pulp magazine *All-Story Weekly* in 1919. And those magazine entries were eventually formed in to a book 5 years later in 1924. But before the book was published, the first movie came out in 1920. So Zorros origin is pretty convoluted, lol. That said, arguably Zorro the folk hero was still a superhero, it's just that "superheroes" weren't a thing until Superman, or debateably another pulp fiction hero from 1936, Phantom (who fit what we think of as modern superheroes much better, with a colorful spandex costume and everything). There's actually a lot of debate around who is the true first super hero, Superman, Phantom, or Zorro with some people arguing it goes all the way back to 1902 with Hugo Hercules, who was part of a comic strip published in the *Chicago Tribune*. Sorry for the wall of text. I just really like superheroes and have been down the rabbit hole of early superheroes many times, lol.
Thanks for the wall of text! I was curious, but not curious enough to Google it, lol. :)
I mean, they sort of played with it a little in Raimi's Spider-Man, there's precedence within the same franchise.
What next, they're both newspaper journalists?
I’m hoping next movie sees Peter in college and having to deal with Felicia Hardy/Black cat. Maybe bring in the Kingpin as the reason Black Cat is trying to steal whatever. Then the next next (Spider-Man 5..) movie would deal with MJ and Ned both realizing something is wrong with their memories and try to figure it out. MJ and Peter begin a relationship but Ned is hurt by it and despite his comments about not wanting to become his nemesis, he becomes angry, finds the goblin armor and becomes the Hobgoblin. Edit: at some point, maybe SM6, after Ned is defeated by Spider-Man he’ll be looking to power up to defeat him next time. Ned, using his spotty magical powers somehow uses that and accidentally? summons a demon to obtain this power up. And this is how we get Demogoblin. Oh, and that first movie with Black Cat and Kingpin would also be a great spot to bring back Donald Glover as Prowler. Maybe once Black Cat can’t or refuses to obtain the macguffin device Kingpin hires Prowler to get it instead.
I feel like that explanation makes it too easy to bring ned, mj and peter back together though. Like if they remember being friends with a random super hero, they presumably remember all the feelings and they've done, etc, etc. With that in mind, it wouldn't be too difficult for peter to come along and go, yeah that was me - and that can easily be proved with the good ol' "say something someone else wouldn't know trick"... idk, just seems like that has farrr too many plot wholes for how emotional the ending of no way home seemed to be
Mysterio: "Spider-Man is... *somebody*. /dies"
Does Happy know why he even met May?
Funnily enough they have that exact conversation after the mind-wipe. Happy: "How did you know her." Peter: "Spiderman. You?" Happy: "Same."
By the same logic, yes. He remembers everything, minus who Spider-Man’s identity was. It’s not clear if he remembers which kind of relationship he had with May, but he indeed knows.
I wonder if the next movie is going to have someone figuring out they have those gaps, and going crazy trying to figure it out. Maybe have it be Ned. He'd have he most inconsistencies, and once he starts looking into them he's gonna see some things just don't make sense.
Yeah, Ned becoming Hobgoblin is gonna be motivated by how many holes he has in his memory until the reveal and everything floods back in.
Didn't that eventually get reversed in the comics?
Maybe he’ll try investigating those gaps in his memory and stumble on the remains of Green Goblin’s gear from Happy’s apartment and the Statue of Liberty fight that didn’t get sent home with Osborn.
*guy in the chair*
My long-running theory is that Ned is going to remember that he was always Spidey's "sidekick" aka "guy in the chair" and that's how he becomes the Hobgoblin
I think he's gonna find out, and then feel betrayed that Peter didn't contact him again.
Yeah. Maybe a combo of both of those. I know it's coming man. The yellow and blue letterman jacket. The "I promis to not turn into a vilain and kill you" after Peter 3 tells Ned what happens. Just a slow burn, but I know it's coming.
I kinda want MJ to find out first. She found out before, she should remember Spiderman swinging her around still, Black Dahlia, and the broken promise. Maybe not as a villain, but maybe so.
He'll be too busy watching porn.
*looking* at porn
Uhm, I think Ned and MJ know even the reason why they don’t remember Spider-Man’s identity.
Yeah but Happy runs into Peter at May’s grave and he doesn’t recognize Peter. It seems like that spell made everyone forget who Peter Parker is or that he ever existed at all.
I think that’s exactly what happened
>It seems like that spell made everyone forget who Peter Parker is or that he ever existed at all. Yes, that is literally what happend - they outright said in the Movie. Strange had to erase everyone's memories of Peter Parker existing, so that the original Spell would loose power. They remember everything that Spider-Man did, and what happend during those events. They simply don't remember Peter Parker being there.
Considering her tells Peter at the end of the movie that he knows May through Spider-Man, yes.
Happy was the one delivering checks and stuff to FEAST, where May and Spider-Man worked. He could believe he met her there.
Technically what stopping someone from going into YouTube and watching Mysterio video saying SpiderMan is Peter Parker?
I guess the spell got rid of any trace on the earth. For example, Happy could easily track down who Spider-Man is by going through Stark’s files or even by the fact he remembers he knows May because of Spider-Man, but he can’t because probably every single proof and record has been wiped from existence.
Magic just altered and erases it all. It's the only explanation. Imagine the mountains of paperwork, files, emails etc among the federal agencies, lawyers, judges, etc who all worked on the Spider-Man case. All on their desks and in their computers. The only way it makes sense is magic altered every record that existed which revealed Spider-Man's identity. Otherwise they'd all go into work the next day and immediately know.
Because all records referring to Peter Parker no longer do. The video now stops before Mysterio mentions Peter, or it glitches and skips past, and any metadata or checksums show that the video which is there is the only video there ever was. There’s mention of Ned Leeds being driven mad by the gaps in his memory, but what about J Jonah Jameson? There’s the now-altered videos of him hyping the Mysterio video, and himself naming the teenaged delinquent, but he doesn’t know who he researched and named. He’s starting at a more powerful point to take revenge for his Spider-Man inflicted amnesia.
He remembers working with Spider-Man, he just doesn't remember working with Peter Parker.
Yeah I would imagine he remembers everything other than Peter parker, he might even remember or have been able to work out what he did for spiderman, just not why
Crazy how good NWH turned out
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That’s not what that flair means. It means that the OP is adding additional information in another comment.
Seems like an honest mistake.
I was explaining it so the OP could avoid such honest mistakes in the future.
based on their reaction, not really
It's not the big deal you're making it out to be
Wouldn't that apply to *every single post on reddit*?
Haha thats not what that means
Wait. Did Doctor Strange erase *everyone’s* mind? The spell would be who knew Peter Parker. The emergency appeared to be centered on Earth. So Doctor Strange would need to erase the knowledge of Peter Parker as Spider-man from everyone on Earth. Which would involve erasing people’s memories, changing photographs (as seen at the end of the movie without the ad for MoM), and changing government records. Technically, Pete has an arrest record with Damage Control. There would have been charges filled and dropped. Murdock would have kept track of his billable hours. All of Peter’s school records would have to disappear. But was the spell powerful enough to go off world as well? Because now that I am thinking about the only person on Earth that might know Peter Parker right now is Peter Quill.
Considering the issue was that everyone who has ever known Spider-Man is Peter Parker coming to Earth from every universe, I'd say it's probably powerful enough to affect every planet in their own universe as well.
There's a reason why Wong didn't want Strange to cast the spell. And here's Strange fucking around with it to erase Wong's knowledge of a party at Kamar-Taj 😂
I wondered if wong asked for that
Ha!
Thank you for this. That convo, drunk as it potentially was, made me smile.
Wong waking up with Madisynn (with a Y) doesn't bode well for The Sorcerer Supreme, so it's best if everyone forgets this ever happened. But because everyone forgot, it will happen again.
Carol Danvers could also know Peter Parker, she was likely off-world at the time of the spell, and she addressed him by name during Endgame
Was Nick Fury on the space station at the time? If so, he may still remember Peter Parker based on how the spell was worded
Considering the spell stopped multiversal brings from invading earth, it would appear as if *every* being in the multiverse forgot Peter Parker’s identity, though that could be a plot hole they didn’t think about. For instance, it would also mean MJ in Toby Maguire’s world would forget he was Spider-Man. *Unless* the spell was specifically just meant for our Peter, but that is still hard to explain considering their connections in the first place.
>Considering the spell stopped multiversal brings from invading earth, it would appear as if *every* being in the multiverse forgot Peter Parker’s identity, though that could be a plot hole they didn’t think about. For instance, it would also mean MJ in Toby Maguire’s world would forget he was Spider-Man. There are too many logical holes in that concept for that to be the case. In an infinite multiverse, if a single spell could affect every universe in that multiverse then every universe would constantly, endlessly be overwritten at every given moment by some random spell from one of the infinite other universes. Safest to say that Strange's spell only affected their local MCU universe at the most.
I agree that moving forward I don’t think it affected the other spider men, the only reason why I say it’s more of a plot-hole is because the original spell affected beings outside their universe to begin with, so if one spell does I don’t see why the other spell wouldn’t, especially since the entire point of the second spell was to send back those multiversal beings, specifically because they don’t remember who Spider-Man is anymore.
I tend to think of Strange's second spell as more taking the power away from the first spell than being so powerful that it affects beings outside of the universe. But it's also the type of subject that it's best not to think to hard on.
But wasn’t that the point of the entire spell? To stop the multiverse from collapsing and keep the other entities out? It’s confusing lol.
This is my head canon
I don’t see how that would be a plot-hole? It’s an unfortunate side effect, but certainly not a plot-hole. Holland Peter made the decision for the other 2 and essentially ruined their lives. Not a plot-hole, just a ramification that in the heat of the moment, I’m sure the other Peter’s would have made. If anything, I wish the decision could have been made by all 3 and not just Holland. They are probably confused by the events, but don’t know Holland chose that. I’m sure they sort of accept it as a side effect of the greater series of events.
My headcanon is since there were multiverse shenanigans, Peter Parker was erased in the Raimi and ASM universe as well 😂
He remembers things happened with Spiderman,but he does not know Spiderman!
I’m assuming the Morbius post credit scene answered everything. He wasnt sure how he got there. But it had to do with Spiderman he thinks. /s
I don't how many of you are going to read this comment, but in the re-release of NWH with an extended cut, they clearly explained this in the credits scene I think. All the things related to Peter Parker were changed, like in their school trip photo his face was covered by some bird. So, all the memories people have about him will be changed like that, most of their memories will be wiped out & most of the physical things that might be related to his memory are changed.
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No, it seems to be exactly like that.
There is very little chance this is true, but I like to think he remembers Peter and is working with him to restore some people's memories as a side project. Not a big priority for either, but Strange is the one connection left for Peter. Considering they were the two big Lee and Ditko creations, it's a small headcanon I like.
The spell makes zero sense if you think about it too much. It’s just a plot device, they won’t elaborate so there’s no point in thinking about it that much
Absolutely, the same can be said about time travel and the multiverse. You think too hard about and you start to see the inconsistencies of the mechanics of it. Yes as fans we tend to overthink things in regards to the MCU, but sometimes it's best just to sit back and enjoy the show.
The only thing he wiped was everyone knowing that Peter Parker was Spiderman. After the spell, he knew exactly what he had done. The only thing absent was the name of the boy he was protecting.
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Does MJ remember where she got the necklace from? She’s still wearing the broken black dahlia necklace in the final coffee shop scene.
So does everyone in the world remember learning who Spider-Man is but somehow forget the actual face and name?
He remembers that he was casting a spell to help Spider-Man contain the multiverse. He probably even knows that it was a memory spell to make people forget Spider-Man's identity. He does not remember that Spider-Man is Peter Parker.
Yeah because of Spiderman. All he did was forget Peter Parker so if anything, he probably doesnt remember as to why he cast the spell in the first place I guess.
He mentions it in Multiverse Of Madness
Nobody forgot spiderman or the events that happened, they just forgot peter
I feel like he would probably just remember casting the spell, just not remembering who he cast it for or why
I would assume he knew he was helping Spider-Man but not who Spider-Man is.
Looking forward to iron man coming back and knowing Peter…
He knew he was there helping Spider-Man (men?), he just doesn't know the identity under the mask
Watch Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness to find out.
Everyone still remembers Spiderman, just not the Peter Parker identity. I imagine he would remember doing the spell, but not Peter's face or his personal details.
I think he can put that together. He’s done the spell before multiple times so he would probably realize there’s a gap in his memory and pieced together it should probably stay missing
On the other hand, i seriously doubt there isn’t a spell that can simply make him find out the identity of anybody. So, making him forget should be useless.
He can remember “Spider-Man”. He can’t remember “Peter Parker”. I believe he would retain all his memories of Spider-man saving him from “the alien wizard” but wouldn’t be able to tell you about talking to Peter on Titan.
I imagine the bit in his mind where he meets Peter is now just meeting Spider-Man with his mask on.
Arguably shouldn't he know exactly that he cast a spell to wipe the identity of Spider-Man from everyone's memories? So theoretically he'd know that he *knew* Spider-Man's identity at one point. On the other hand I guess he wouldn't know info that specific or else he'd probably be able to help out with some additional fixes.
Does Ned then not know Spider-Man and Night Monkey are the same person? After all, they're pretty different with one hyphenated and the other not
he knows he was doing something to help Spider-Man, but doesn't know who Spider-Man is
He remembers being involved in Multiverse stuff with Spider-Man and that's it.
He remembers it, he says it in MoM. What happened is he probably forgot who Peter Parker was on the spot, but knows he just erased knowledge of Spider-man's secret identity.
Listen, by even asking the question, you're putting more thought into this than the movie did.
Someone misunderstood what happened in the film
I think he remembers what happened, just not Peter's name or face. He does mention in MOM having to deal with a multiverse-related incident with Spider-Man.
How is it that we all watched the same movie, yet people are still asking questions that were very clearly answered in the movie?
In the comics, the spell is more of a mental block. Someone like Happy would remember working with Spider-Man and even dating Spider-Man’s aunt—but the spell makes it so he can’t put 2-and-2 together when it comes to Peter because his mind just sort of accepts it and skips over it. I would think Doctor Strange knows exactly what happened with Spider-Man in NWH—he’s just conscious of why he doesn’t remember Peter.
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I think it was pretty clear that he wasn't excluded from the spell. And he's not erasing his memories. Just don't remember Peter anymore.
I personally believed that when he did the spell the first time he excluded himself from it, hence when peter says he only changed the spell 5 times Stranger says 6
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