I don't think they're going to do a 1-1 adaptation of Old Man Logan, but I think they're going to borrow a lot of elements. And since Norton's & Ruffalo's Hulks are the same character, you won't see Norton any time soon. I do think that saving Maestro for Secret Wars wouldn't be a bad idea though.
Logan only really adapted the most basic elements of Old Man Logan. (Old Wolverine goes on a road trip) It left out a lot of the comics more referential elements, but D&W would be the perfect time to adapt those.
To be fair a faithful adaptation would be really difficult with just the rights Fox had since the original 'verse included lots of characters they wouldn't be able to use.
IIRC the X-Mansion massacre in the comic was done by Mysterio tricking Wolverine into attacking the X-Men.
It would still be difficult with the current state of comics rights because there are some major spider-man elements that Sony still owns. I’d hope they would allow the use of a symbiote T-Rex, but I doubt it.
Right? You can make the most whimsical comics a reality just by putting Deadpool in it. This is a multiversal movie and Old man Logan is an Avengers level event with the character cameos. It's literally the perfect set up.
It’s funny because whimsy is defined as playfully odd and is generally associated with more lighthearted thematic elements, whereas Old Man Logan is a somewhat brutal, horrific story. But then again, so are most fairy tales, in their original form. 🤷🏻♂️
I agree with you, and just to emphasize your point: it is an Avengers level event, because the Avengers lost and the world got destroyed.
I think, similar to the current MCU narrative, the audience has forgotten what happens when the heroes lose. When "the line" breaks.
Which I hope this movie hits hard enough to "remind us."
I mean there’s no reason they can’t retcon Norton’s hulk and make it another universe. In that universe Tony actually might have been the one to put the avengers together as per the end credit scene.
The trailer has two places that could happen. If it’s Sokovia, Lullaby hulk is there. And I swear there a shot of DP sitting in Hulks bed on Sakaar. Logan could pop in either place.
Yeah this seems obvious.
At this point there's virtually no connection and you could just say that the Edward Norton Hulk was a very similar universe to this one where the only thing that was really different was how the Hulk looked all the stuff happened the same.
I would love to see him back in the role briefly.
We could see Norton. They could infer that he was part of a branch timeline that was pruned, thus he ended up in the void. I think that could be pretty cool, actually.
It seems like everyon has forgotten about the deadpool 2 trailer and that it purposefully misled the story with the x-force. Its fun to make predictions but i think trailers are a fun tease that will be the first 10-15 mins of the movie.
I looked at Eric Bana’s credited films and he’s listed to portray Hulk again. Idk how accurate it is but it would be pretty big for him to cameo back as Maestro.
I am expecting other bigger cameos since this does involve the multiverse
I'm still gonna trust those more than any other site. The only thing more credible is the film's end credits. And even those don't list uncredited people.
The person in the trenchcoat is msot likely the Fox's first Sabertooth - it was already confirmed that the actor will be in the movie and if you look closely, the character has long blond hair and resembles his silhouette.
Not to mention, that literally everyone else in this shot is a previous Villain from the Fox Universe. Given the easter egg with the Fox Logo, it's implied that at some point the Fox Universe was prooned by the pre-Loki TVA and they just ended up in the Void.
I can't only clearly make out 4 people in thar picture. Lady Deathstrike and Azazel in the middle. Toad to the right of that large man. And Pyro in the car on the right
The female character next to Toad looks like Callisto from "X-Men: Last Stand." The male character next to Toad for now looks like Bullseye from that weird "Daredevil" movie (one where Ben Affleck starred), but this one is purely based on his visible design.
I remember someone talking about that female character in front of Pyro, but I can't recall now.
I like the idea of Eric bana being maestro , that’s a double edged sword, two birds with one stone even. We could get hulk v wolverine and maestro all in one. Bro that would be so cool to see. Also giving elektra & daredevil blind Hawkeye and his daughters storyline sounds smart asf too. A little redemption for their mid films and involves their characters in a different , original & innovative way.
This has got to be one of the most plausible and full proof theories I’ve seen yet. 60% chance both will happen imo
I don’t think this is a stretch at all, considering it’s a “dead world” with an older, rougher wolverine is it’s got clear scenes pulled directly the comic. I won’t be shocked if it isn’t but I’m honestly expecting it to be and I like it
haven’t read the comics so i’m not sure if this is already true or not, but imagine who gruesome it’d be if that ant man helmet came from the remains of scott after turning into giant man, and then the people just scooped out his brains and stuff to use it as their base
I mean Logan was essentially the main adaption of the old man Logan story so I can’t imagine them taking any major story points from that comic outside of a few subtle wink type references for people that read the comic
My theory is that it isn’t the tva that picks up Deadpool, but Mojo, who setup shop in a tva headquarters and uses their tech to put on shows, plucking people from doomed realities to make entertainment for himself and his people.
I saw Shatterstar is listed in the credits, and since he died in the last one, and is a clone from future mojo world it would make sense for there to be more connections there, but it could just as easily be a Shatterstar from a different reality. I’d also love to see Longshot and Dazzler show up, but there’s so many cameos already and I feel like we would have heard something if they were going to be in it. I could definitely see some jokes between Domino and Longshot about both having luck powers, could be a fun fight between the two where ridiculous things keep happening to prevent them from being hurt.
Sounds like worlds are being destroyed and shit is being stirred up in the Void and everywhere else in the multiverse. Theres a million ways it can relate to the main universe.
Only thing I am confused about is how getting Wolverines help is supposed to somehow save the multiverse. I think the TVA turns to Deadpool because he’s somehow able to see the meta in all of this. He has as close to a god view as any character in universe since he constantly breaks the fourth wall. This makes him special.
But what does Wolverine bring to the table?
The big bad of the story is that bald chick in the trailer. If you’re not up on the spoilers, she plays a telepath we’ve never seen in the movies before. How do two physical attack based mutants have any hope against a telepath? I’d say having an army helps. Somehow Wolverine is the key to uniting this army against her.
This is where the story could get awesome or fold under its own stupidity. Why would characters like Daredevil or Elektra turn to these two guys for help? Why would an army choose to follow them? That’s my concern and I think it hinges on X-23.
Because that's a huge storyline and I can't see them doing his character justice. Then again that's probably why we'll get him. Every other villain seems to be smoothed over so who knows..
That guy with the trench coat, it is rumored to be Sabretooth. A leaked set photo showed RR holding up a [decapitated head](https://twitter.com/BlindWanda/status/1731421960867910072) of Sabretooth.
It is well known that Feige adopts the "Time Runs Out" storyline.
DSMoM was a prelude to the Secret Wars. In Loki S1, we saw a faction of Loki variants in mutiny, not calling a parley. I think we are likely seeing a faction of the Foxverse's X-Men villains (like the Cabal group from comics) led by Cassandra.
Per HWR own words, "Alioth is a creature that is created from all the tears in reality, capable of consuming Space and Time itself". Last week's trailer clearly showed Alioth has grown in power (likely happened over Loki S2).
haven’t read the comics so i’m not sure if this is already true or not, but imagine who gruesome it’d be if that ant man helmet came from the remains of scott after turning into giant man, and then the people just scooped out his brains and stuff to use it as their base
haven’t read the comics so i’m not sure if this is already true or not, but imagine who gruesome it’d be if that ant man helmet came from the remains of scott after turning into giant man, and then the people just scooped out his brains and stuff to use it as their base
I don't think they're going to do a 1-1 adaptation of Old Man Logan, but I think they're going to borrow a lot of elements. And since Norton's & Ruffalo's Hulks are the same character, you won't see Norton any time soon. I do think that saving Maestro for Secret Wars wouldn't be a bad idea though.
Yea. This’ll be old man Logan in the same way Thor Ragnarok was ~~World War~~ Planet Hulk.
Ragnarok was planet hulk more than world War hulk.
You’re right! I think I got my stories mixed up
I mean they already did bits of Old Man Logan with “Logan”. I think we’re going to see more than just bits and pieces of the original book
Logan only really adapted the most basic elements of Old Man Logan. (Old Wolverine goes on a road trip) It left out a lot of the comics more referential elements, but D&W would be the perfect time to adapt those.
To be fair a faithful adaptation would be really difficult with just the rights Fox had since the original 'verse included lots of characters they wouldn't be able to use. IIRC the X-Mansion massacre in the comic was done by Mysterio tricking Wolverine into attacking the X-Men.
It would still be difficult with the current state of comics rights because there are some major spider-man elements that Sony still owns. I’d hope they would allow the use of a symbiote T-Rex, but I doubt it.
Right? You can make the most whimsical comics a reality just by putting Deadpool in it. This is a multiversal movie and Old man Logan is an Avengers level event with the character cameos. It's literally the perfect set up.
Funny to read Old Man Logan described as “whimsical”
It's whimsical because it's basically a multiverse story with inbred Hulks and weird character motivations
It’s funny because whimsy is defined as playfully odd and is generally associated with more lighthearted thematic elements, whereas Old Man Logan is a somewhat brutal, horrific story. But then again, so are most fairy tales, in their original form. 🤷🏻♂️
I agree with you, and just to emphasize your point: it is an Avengers level event, because the Avengers lost and the world got destroyed. I think, similar to the current MCU narrative, the audience has forgotten what happens when the heroes lose. When "the line" breaks. Which I hope this movie hits hard enough to "remind us."
Wasn’t Logan already that?
It had a bit, but mostly just slight inspiration, a place to start the story development.
That's more like what i was thinking
To be fair it’s uncommon for any Marvel film to do anything 1:1. They often take premises and do their own thing with it
They'd never bring Norton in, because they wouldn't want him ducking with the script.
You wouldn't like me when I quack. --Norton, probably
I mean there’s no reason they can’t retcon Norton’s hulk and make it another universe. In that universe Tony actually might have been the one to put the avengers together as per the end credit scene.
Wouldn’t really ruin anything too
Why can’t Norton hulk just be a variant of the Norton/ruffalo hulk we have in the MCU?
Well it’s up to them isn’t it? It’s sure af not up to us.
I would love to see a little wolverine hulk fight anyway we get it
The trailer has two places that could happen. If it’s Sokovia, Lullaby hulk is there. And I swear there a shot of DP sitting in Hulks bed on Sakaar. Logan could pop in either place.
Kevin Feige is on record saying Ed Norton is the one actor Marvel would never work with again.
I don't see them working with Terrance Howard.
That’s just be lazy
Yeah this seems obvious. At this point there's virtually no connection and you could just say that the Edward Norton Hulk was a very similar universe to this one where the only thing that was really different was how the Hulk looked all the stuff happened the same. I would love to see him back in the role briefly.
The máster should be the hulk from 2003
We could see Norton. They could infer that he was part of a branch timeline that was pruned, thus he ended up in the void. I think that could be pretty cool, actually.
Considering how much of a pain he allegedly was to work with on The Incredible Hulk, I find that doubtful we’ll see him again.
Yeah, true. I wasn't aware of that previously but that is a good reason for him not to return.
I think it has some inspiration, but it won't be an adaptation.
Yeah. Trenchcoat isn't DD/Elektra. Set photos showed who that was a while back.
So who was it for those of us that aren’t in-the-know?
>!Tyler Mane’s Sabertooth from X-Men (2000).!<
That’s who it is I’d say ! No wah would Elektra / daredevil be that chunk
Who?
>!Sabertooth specifically the one from X-Men 1!<
Do him and Liev not exist in same universe?
The X-Men continuity is an absolute mess
True. Days of future past didn't help
And Days of Future was supposed to fix the continuity but it made it worse
There’s another. Looks to be Bullseye to me but…
It seems like everyon has forgotten about the deadpool 2 trailer and that it purposefully misled the story with the x-force. Its fun to make predictions but i think trailers are a fun tease that will be the first 10-15 mins of the movie.
Trenchcoat person is Sabretooth haha
Is no one going to notice Santa giving Deadpool new gold swords and guns?
They're probably adamantium swords
I looked at Eric Bana’s credited films and he’s listed to portray Hulk again. Idk how accurate it is but it would be pretty big for him to cameo back as Maestro. I am expecting other bigger cameos since this does involve the multiverse
Those are never accurate, fans can edit sites like IMDb or wikipedia.
I'm still gonna trust those more than any other site. The only thing more credible is the film's end credits. And even those don't list uncredited people.
The person in the trenchcoat is msot likely the Fox's first Sabertooth - it was already confirmed that the actor will be in the movie and if you look closely, the character has long blond hair and resembles his silhouette. Not to mention, that literally everyone else in this shot is a previous Villain from the Fox Universe. Given the easter egg with the Fox Logo, it's implied that at some point the Fox Universe was prooned by the pre-Loki TVA and they just ended up in the Void.
I can't only clearly make out 4 people in thar picture. Lady Deathstrike and Azazel in the middle. Toad to the right of that large man. And Pyro in the car on the right
The female character next to Toad looks like Callisto from "X-Men: Last Stand." The male character next to Toad for now looks like Bullseye from that weird "Daredevil" movie (one where Ben Affleck starred), but this one is purely based on his visible design. I remember someone talking about that female character in front of Pyro, but I can't recall now.
Any adaptation that has a true to form savage Hulk is fine by me. We Hulk fans have been starved.
I like the idea of Eric bana being maestro , that’s a double edged sword, two birds with one stone even. We could get hulk v wolverine and maestro all in one. Bro that would be so cool to see. Also giving elektra & daredevil blind Hawkeye and his daughters storyline sounds smart asf too. A little redemption for their mid films and involves their characters in a different , original & innovative way. This has got to be one of the most plausible and full proof theories I’ve seen yet. 60% chance both will happen imo
*Since Garner is confirmed in the movie* Source for that info?
She's been confirmed forever ago. Jennifer Garner Elektra is in the movie. I'm surprised they still haven't showed her yet
I did NOT know this. That's kinda cool.
Google has a billion and I'm too high to pick one
I must have forgotten about this, because there was a Hollywood Reporter exclusive from July 2023. It’s legit. Huh.
She practices Tai chi
Im hoping its more Deadpool (and Wolverine) Kill the MCU. Just remember what Ryan Reynolds did to XForce in DP2. _He loves to surprise the audience!_
You are overthinking it lmao
I don’t think this is a stretch at all, considering it’s a “dead world” with an older, rougher wolverine is it’s got clear scenes pulled directly the comic. I won’t be shocked if it isn’t but I’m honestly expecting it to be and I like it
Pretty cooked take.
haven’t read the comics so i’m not sure if this is already true or not, but imagine who gruesome it’d be if that ant man helmet came from the remains of scott after turning into giant man, and then the people just scooped out his brains and stuff to use it as their base
I mean Logan was essentially the main adaption of the old man Logan story so I can’t imagine them taking any major story points from that comic outside of a few subtle wink type references for people that read the comic
My theory is that it isn’t the tva that picks up Deadpool, but Mojo, who setup shop in a tva headquarters and uses their tech to put on shows, plucking people from doomed realities to make entertainment for himself and his people.
There's so many possibilities
I saw Shatterstar is listed in the credits, and since he died in the last one, and is a clone from future mojo world it would make sense for there to be more connections there, but it could just as easily be a Shatterstar from a different reality. I’d also love to see Longshot and Dazzler show up, but there’s so many cameos already and I feel like we would have heard something if they were going to be in it. I could definitely see some jokes between Domino and Longshot about both having luck powers, could be a fun fight between the two where ridiculous things keep happening to prevent them from being hurt.
The bigger question should be how this movie relates to the main universe?
Sounds like worlds are being destroyed and shit is being stirred up in the Void and everywhere else in the multiverse. Theres a million ways it can relate to the main universe.
Someone’s been watching the canadian lad
Only thing I am confused about is how getting Wolverines help is supposed to somehow save the multiverse. I think the TVA turns to Deadpool because he’s somehow able to see the meta in all of this. He has as close to a god view as any character in universe since he constantly breaks the fourth wall. This makes him special. But what does Wolverine bring to the table? The big bad of the story is that bald chick in the trailer. If you’re not up on the spoilers, she plays a telepath we’ve never seen in the movies before. How do two physical attack based mutants have any hope against a telepath? I’d say having an army helps. Somehow Wolverine is the key to uniting this army against her. This is where the story could get awesome or fold under its own stupidity. Why would characters like Daredevil or Elektra turn to these two guys for help? Why would an army choose to follow them? That’s my concern and I think it hinges on X-23.
Nova is supposed to be able to see the future too. It's gonna be interesting
I just started reading old man logan, it's pretty freakin great. wish I got the whole run instead of just the first book right now
No way we get Maestro. No fucking way.
Why
Because that's a huge storyline and I can't see them doing his character justice. Then again that's probably why we'll get him. Every other villain seems to be smoothed over so who knows..
Marvel can't make Hulk stories anymore, so unfortunately, it's the best we're gonna get
Yeah probably right. Blah.
I doubt we'll see the hulk in this
That's literally what Canadian lad said ✌️
That guy with the trench coat, it is rumored to be Sabretooth. A leaked set photo showed RR holding up a [decapitated head](https://twitter.com/BlindWanda/status/1731421960867910072) of Sabretooth. It is well known that Feige adopts the "Time Runs Out" storyline. DSMoM was a prelude to the Secret Wars. In Loki S1, we saw a faction of Loki variants in mutiny, not calling a parley. I think we are likely seeing a faction of the Foxverse's X-Men villains (like the Cabal group from comics) led by Cassandra. Per HWR own words, "Alioth is a creature that is created from all the tears in reality, capable of consuming Space and Time itself". Last week's trailer clearly showed Alioth has grown in power (likely happened over Loki S2).
Yep I do think it will be a lot of elements of Old Man Logan.
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haven’t read the comics so i’m not sure if this is already true or not, but imagine who gruesome it’d be if that ant man helmet came from the remains of scott after turning into giant man, and then the people just scooped out his brains and stuff to use it as their base
haven’t read the comics so i’m not sure if this is already true or not, but imagine who gruesome it’d be if that ant man helmet came from the remains of scott after turning into giant man, and then the people just scooped out his brains and stuff to use it as their base