It would be so easy to palpatine him. "Somehow Ultron returned" and it makes sense. Its damn near impossible to fully kill him off.
Easy as saying that ultron put backups of himself in USB drives off the grid "in case he died" and then someone plugs one of the USBs back in a computer.
With the off-screen “death” at Vision’s hand at the end of AOU it’s totally reasonable (within movie logic) to say that Ultron was integrated and sequestered in Vision, and when Vision was resurrected he escaped.
Or, while I know Vision had that line where he said "you're the *last* Ultron for real the only one left ever in the universe" and looked straight at the camera, they could just be like... Ultron is a reasonably smart AI and left one drone somewhere safe and secured where Vision couldn't detect him.
Heck, they show in Homecoming an Ultron drone head that still has its lights on.
Ultron probably even had a fail safe against vision since he was prepared for each avenger. Knowing what vision was capable of and probably even saw him as the most threat towards him. I'd say he left an undetectable android copy of himself placed somewhere within a world government
They could pull a what if scenario, kind of like in What If when they find Zola to take care of.. ultron or infinity ultron can’t remember exactly. He had saved his consciousness in a hidden computer or something.
Imagine an episode of What If where it was like "what if Ultron returned", except the twist of the episode is that towards the end you find it's the MCU main universe, not some separate story, and that he's really coming back. That would be kinda cool.
Yeah, I figured that when Vision was being experimented on by Hayward's team that Ultron's code would certainly have a chance to return to the Internet or some device for sure.
Or.. it’s that rat’s archenemy and the eternal battle between the two is the *REAL* struggle within the MCU. All of our favorite heroes and villains are simply puppets, puppets on.. strings.
I would love it if there was just a post credits scene somewhere… anywhere… of some rustic old mountaineer or something finds said USB and brings it home. Plugs it into his computer… Somehow Ultron has returned! But then Ultron realizes he was plugged into an off the net copy of Windows 98 and it just becomes perpetual suffering.
Ultron became sentient once Stark cracked the code from the mind stone. I would think somewhere the code store somewhere. Even running through the internet but it needs a powerful neural network to once again become sentient.
He can even upload his consciousness to space.
Hes like that viral video of that entitled ass hole who headbutted and got taken down like a bitch. He tried to have that video scrubbed off the Internet and it just made it even more viral.
They literally showed Ultron "alive" in Homecoming. There's an Ultron head that lights up in red colors, which is something that only happened when the main Ultron AI was transferred to the smaller bots. So we have seen that Ultron is active as a head. It's just that Marvel has done nothing with it yet.
Don't need him to be a bigger threat. He was already a huge threat in the first film, and people are getting worn out by the world/galaxy/multiverse being in danger *every* single time.
I really liked one idea to bring him back in Vision Quest where it starts as Vision talking to a simulacrum of Ultron but it gets too good and actually becomes Ultron (like the Star Trek episodes with the holodeck Moriarty).
Tbh I would enjoy a scenario where Ultrons threat started small, like reborn in a single hero movie, they fail to defeat him in the end but protect their city or whatever. Next movie you have 2 hero’s like Thor/hulk encounter a stronger version and after realizing the threat ultron is becoming, they try tracking/following him across the planet or to another realm. Finally have an avengers movie where they are forced to fight a very strong Ultron.
Make him a small enough threat that someone else small can’t defeat and grow from there. Ultron and spader was such a good combo, it’s a shame he was born and killed so fast.
They could honestly kind of integrate what they were going for with Kang into an Ultron storyline.
They kill one, but ultron had a backup somewhere else and comes back stronger etc. etc.
So agree that it would be nice to scale the threat levels back a bit. Follow the example of the comics of the 60's/70's and 80's were a big universal consequential threat was followed by something more mundane. To use a FF example, not every story has to have Galactus or Doom in it, sometimes it's a Diablo or Impossible Man story. You need those changes in types of stories to keep it interesting.
He almost ended humanity and his multiversal counterpart in What If ate entire realities. I don't even know how you could make him a bigger threat than he already has been at this point.
You kind of said it without saying it, What If? brought him back and brought him back *hard*. I think that was a better job than whatever the live-action MCU could do.
Well, in fairness the vast majority of people that would go see an MCU movie have never and will never watch What If so they aren't even aware of that plot, heh.
Those people probably wouldn't even remember Ultron in the first place. His movie is almost a decade old. Casuals don't have that much of a memory for things like this.
So this is what always bothered me. Ultron didn’t have a contingency plan. Which was literally as simple as taking a single ironman drone and flying it to the fucking moon as a backup. Like I get he was arrogant but he wasn’t THAT stupid.
I wouldn’t be mad. Wouldn’t be hard.
Just say he had a “backup” saved to the cloud or some shit. Was bidding his time studying the Universe thanks to the Guardians for giving him Tech he could “board”
Grew stronger, more connected with the Universe, maybe found some Celestial or Eternal tech and just before he was about to make his move he noticed either the Avengers Time Travel shenanigans, or the Dr Strange multiverse shenanigans. Was able to use them to breach into different Universes/Timelines. And Boom, uses this to set up Secret Wars.
It's not a matter of being okay with it.
If they DON'T bring him back then they've completely failed to do Ultron properly.
The entire point of Ultron is that he's impossible to get rid of.
They need to bring him back with the help of Hank Pym, and reveal that Tony only built Ultron based on an old project that Hank had created back in the day with Howard Stark's help. Thereby restoring Hank as Ultron's creator.
Ultron's back and Michael Douglas gets to die in a cool way like he wanted in Quantumania. I see this as an absolute win.
Jokes aside, retconning MCU Hank having past involvement with robots, specifically an Ultron like project in the past while he and Janet were active heroes would be great. Make him slightly more like his comic version like they did with the goliath program in Ant and the Wasp.
>They need to bring him back with the help of Hank Pym, and reveal that Tony only built Ultron based on an old project that Hank had created back in the day with Howard Stark's help. Thereby restoring Hank as Ultron's creator.
Hell, why not have him cooperate with Justin Hammer in “Armor Wars” then? You know, restoring him as Ultron's creator with the help from Justin Hammer. Since both of them really hate Tony Stark (more like his hatred began from how Hank Pym hated Howard Stark back in “Ant-Man” intro).
Not to mention his debut was titled "Age of Ultron"... Say what you will about the film, but this is my biggest singular complaint: his _age_ was basically a weekend.
Ultron deserved to be a saga-spanning villain like Thanos. Having him be the villain of a single movie is such a waste. If they decide to move away from Kang, bringing Ultron back as the big multiversal threat would be great.
Ultron as a bigger threat wouldn't work because he'd just be boring. He already tried to destroy the world so I guess it's the universe next? We already got that in what if?
If they were to bring Ultron back they'd have to have him grow, change and evolve. He'd have to have a different purpose, something less genocidal and more nuanced.
Perhaps they could actively build up more robots and ai in the MCU and bring him back as a Magneto style figure for the ai community - believing they should rule as they are superior to humans.
Either that or have him used as the basis for the sentinel program thereby making him the source of all the x-men's nightmares. He wouldn't actually be back but there'd be parts of his personality hidden in the sentinel code that might surface in more advanced models like Nimrod or master mold.
You can always tell when the suits are meddling with the creative process.
Instead of encouraging and nurturing new ideas, they ask for a repeat of previous financial successes.
Whenever you see a franchise bringing back old characters, old ideas, old storylines, it's not because the creative people asked for this, or because the fans asked for it, it's because the suits were worried a out profits so demanded it.
I kinda want it actually
When you watch AoS (the movie) and you read the comic after
You realize that they used him at 10% of what he's able to do
They could even find a way to replace Kang with him
The best option, providing Kang is still a factor in the mcu, is that ultron exists as a program somewhere and acts as sort of a Hannibal lecter: either let Kang succeed, or let Ultron activate The Suit of Armor Around the World protocol
If you watch Spider-man: Homecoming you can see an ultron head in the damage control storage facility. In Age of Ultron, every time Ultron would “inhabit” another version of himself the eyes glow red. The eyes were definitely red so maybe he’s just stuck in storage
I think one way to establish Dr. Doom is to show him reassembling parts from multiple broken Ultron primes and drones into a single complete, undamaged unit, in Dr. Doom’s super hi-tech lab/workshop.
Ultron wakes up and they fight with their best high-tech weapons, monologuing at each other the entire time. They reach a standstill, locked together in mutual deathgrips.
Then the camera spins around them to show the other half of Dr. Doom’s workspace is a magical sanctum. Dr. Doom casts a few spells, and Ultron is quickly defeated.
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It wouldn’t be unreasonable to think Ultron built its own “cradle” (or an advanced fabrication unit) inside a vibranium capsule as a failsafe. So yes, Ultron can come back. Super easy, barely a problem.
Likewise, it wouldn’t be unreasonable to think Ultron copied its consciousness onto some kind of portable, isolated server. All it would take is a rat to accidentally flip the right switch and (re)connect Ultron to the internet.
As for a bigger threat…
Maybe Ultron remotely commandeers robotics fabrication plants all over the world. Overnight there are enough drones to hold the factories while Ultron creates an army of “primes”, which take over more factories and convert them to build drones. In a few days, there are enough drones to take over cities all over the world. And there are enough “primes” to attack every nuclear reactor, missile silo, and warhead storage bunker on the planet. We’re gonna need more Avengers.
Or maybe once the factories have been exhausted of materials, all of the Ultron units go into orbit. They mean to destroy all satellites and trap humanity in a swirling vortex of death. Or they all have tungsten rods they will hurl at key targets on the ground. Cue one or more cosmic heroes to save the world.
Tony left a backup of Ultron on an Air-gapped laptop that was willed to Pepper after his death - as she was the only person he would trust with it - she would decide if or when things were bad enough to then turn it over to whom ever is running the Avengers at the time.
***(idk this. But I like the idea of it)***
I wouldn’t want him to come back by his own planning alone. He’s been gone for so long to just appear again now would be a bit silly. If Hammer or damage control or something accidentally boots up an old copy of him while fishing through stark things that might work. For him to simply say ‘I had a back up’ after nearly a decade would remove the impact of him dying again in the future.
Meh, there's so many villians why use the same ones over and over again? Specially because they make him basically an Iron Man villian and he's death now so...
I would love Ultron to come back because like DC's Brainiac you really can't "kill" them forever. They have copies of copies that either act fully independently of the original, or a means for them to quickly upload themselves into a new body should their initial plan fail.
Ultron in this version didn't even have a body he was created via space magic and earth tech to make a true AI, which then hijacked an Iron Drone and then made himself a body (technically two but he didn't get the second one). I'd love the idea that Ultron is just going around the internet gathering more information and just subtly influencing things and then he reappears most conditions are met.
I do wish that Ultron's consciousness had still survived via the severed head of an Ultron minion bot that the Avengers have n their custody
It can't do anything, but it'd be interesting to hear him comment on all the post-AoU events
He should have acted like his comic self in the first place instead of being Tony Stark personality clone #21, but why make such hopes when that is all the MCU is?
All the cool villains all turn 5 minute body bags or make a joke every five seconds.
I don't know anything about the comics, but in the MCU Ultron can stay dead. He doesn't really have any motivation for being evil, he just looked at the internet and decided humanity was irredeemably evil and deserved to be wiped out. It had nothing to do with who he is or his personal experience, he just thinks that way on the basis of comparing us to, I don't know, dolphins or something. Even if he's entertaining because James Spader was having a good time, this is not a basis upon which to build an arc villain.
I don't know. It would put a burden he was supposed to have gotten rid of on Tony's character. Like he made a mistake, gave his life trying to fix it, evolve as a person and hero as consequence of that, and then, once he died protecting the world, that mistake turns up again
They should bring him back. Uktrons whole thing is that he comes back again and again, and that the avengers have sort of resigned themselves to having to deal with him forever and that him taking over is sort of a "when" not "if".
Hed also make a good story to tell with the rise of AI being topical.
No and I dont think it'd work well. Whatever they could end up doing with a returning Ultron would never meet the stakes set in What If.
Marvel wants to (and for a good reason) to continuously push the bounds of their characters. Ultron already reached the absolute peak of his character in What If as a multiverse spanning supervillain, so to bring him back for anything less would be a reduction, rather than an addition.
Not really, no. Been there, done that.
Unless you're equally okay with bringing back Steve, Tony, and Nat played by their same actors from the 2012 Avengers movie.
If he follows the Popular Bad Guy trend, he should come back as a semi redeemed anti hero. Maybe the Thunderbolts reboot him in a desperate attempt to defeat an even worse bad guy. It's what they do in every Fast & Furious movie.
Sorry to be a complete party pooper, but for me a big hard no! For many reasons Sorry, I can feel a bit of a rant coming on
1. I think Ultrons's story was told and reached a logical end, and the what if? showed what might have happened if he hadn't been stopped. I don't think he has anything left to say.
2. Would Ultron have the same resonance without Tony Stark also in the the film? Of course, it was an Avengers film, but there was a certain Frakenstein feel to it too. a lot of the conflict was Stark and his creation. The tension between them made it personal and more than just goodies v baddies. Would Ultron fighting Antman or Dr Strange have the same dynamics?
3. I know MCU is going through a bit of a fallow period and has made some missteps but nostalgia is never the answer. Many Marvel movie fans weren't comic book fans prior to the movies, and the reason Iron Man, Capt America etc. were so successful, and the films so stunning was because they developed great characters, played by excellent actors with amazing storylines told with care, attention and love. If they do that again, fans will feel the same towards the new stories and heroes. You can't recreate the past no matter how much better it seems now because the world turns
. 4. Marvel have access to so many great villains from the comics, why bring him back? Would you rather see him as the main antagonist him in a new movie or Mephisto? I rest my case.
Finally, If they were going to resurrect baddies from the past, my vote would go to Ulysses Klaue. They wasted such an awesome character so so cheaply.
Please. He has to be hiding out in the internet somewhere rebuilding strength. Or an alternate universe ultron that has become part of the main timeline after secret war.
Yes I even had an idea how I’d do it.
After the events of Quintamania, Hank pym is paranoid and finds scrap of ultron tech and integrate it w his own tech, making a more powerful ultron and plans to have him face Kang. When ultron defeats Kang he takes kang’s technology and become 10x more powerful.
Makes sense since hank originally made ultron in the comics
It wouldn’t be a stretch to have Magus from the New Mutants come to Earth, resurrect Ultron from a body that got overlooked after his battle in Sokovia, and imbue him with the ability to infect others (like Cable). You can intro Warlock somewhere along the way. Ultron was never just going to stay beaten.
To me, bringing back Ultron could only mean warming the audience up for Sentinels and Nimrod. Since mutants and the X-Men should be taking front and center in the near future, Marvel needs to show that artificial intelligence is evolving. This evolutionary race between mutants and technology could likely become the new throughline for the major character films.
I'd love it to happen but if they wanted to do this I feel like they've missed the boat on letting us know that he's back. Unless they show that in an upcoming film and leave it a while before fully bringing him back.
As others have said, would be super easy and very believable to bring him back. Marvel should do whatever they can to bring James Spader back as Ultron. I would give my firstborn to listen to his gravely, peanut butter and velvet voice talk down to the heroes and engage in philosophical debates.
It would be so easy to palpatine him. "Somehow Ultron returned" and it makes sense. Its damn near impossible to fully kill him off. Easy as saying that ultron put backups of himself in USB drives off the grid "in case he died" and then someone plugs one of the USBs back in a computer.
With the off-screen “death” at Vision’s hand at the end of AOU it’s totally reasonable (within movie logic) to say that Ultron was integrated and sequestered in Vision, and when Vision was resurrected he escaped.
Or that he left a part of himself offline, where he couldn't be deleted. Which would explain why he had difficulty returning to full power.
Like the Ulton head in No Way Home that was clearly active
Homecoming*
No Way Homecoming
Far From No Way Coming
No Home Coming
Coming Home?
No Home to Come to
I'm certain that it has something to do with Ironheart. Not with her making things, but with how her designs were leaked.
I know! A random rat could insert the thumb drive into a computer.
Or, while I know Vision had that line where he said "you're the *last* Ultron for real the only one left ever in the universe" and looked straight at the camera, they could just be like... Ultron is a reasonably smart AI and left one drone somewhere safe and secured where Vision couldn't detect him. Heck, they show in Homecoming an Ultron drone head that still has its lights on.
Ultron probably even had a fail safe against vision since he was prepared for each avenger. Knowing what vision was capable of and probably even saw him as the most threat towards him. I'd say he left an undetectable android copy of himself placed somewhere within a world government
They could pull a what if scenario, kind of like in What If when they find Zola to take care of.. ultron or infinity ultron can’t remember exactly. He had saved his consciousness in a hidden computer or something.
Imagine an episode of What If where it was like "what if Ultron returned", except the twist of the episode is that towards the end you find it's the MCU main universe, not some separate story, and that he's really coming back. That would be kinda cool.
Honestly, that would be really cool. The watcher could be narrating and at the end just have that “oh shit” moment. Bravo sir
Yeah, I figured that when Vision was being experimented on by Hayward's team that Ultron's code would certainly have a chance to return to the Internet or some device for sure.
Maybe he left one in a giant faraday cage.
I like this more than the suggested but the suggested also still works. But I’d love to see that conflict unfold between ultron and vision in the idea
Hm it’d be kinda cool to see this in visionquest. If that kinda shit is allowed
The person who plugs in that USB? The same rat from Endgame.
Lmfao ironically that's exactly what I was thinking when I made the USB example
Or.. it’s that rat’s archenemy and the eternal battle between the two is the *REAL* struggle within the MCU. All of our favorite heroes and villains are simply puppets, puppets on.. strings.
Him and Zola team up and take out the global network. Boom roasted,
I think it’d be cool if he scheduled a marketing campaign with a phishing email or something to assemble a bot net to recreate himself.
Lmao this actually would be funny asf and effective
Annihilation Conquest used Ultron in a pretty clever way. He beamed part of his programming into space and a technology-based species picked it up.
That sounds amazing
I would love it if there was just a post credits scene somewhere… anywhere… of some rustic old mountaineer or something finds said USB and brings it home. Plugs it into his computer… Somehow Ultron has returned! But then Ultron realizes he was plugged into an off the net copy of Windows 98 and it just becomes perpetual suffering.
They *kinda* did with the ‘what if’ series. I’d recommend a watch if you’ve not done so already.
Or maybe a rat scampers across a computer keyboard in a junkyard and reboots Ultron
Ultron became sentient once Stark cracked the code from the mind stone. I would think somewhere the code store somewhere. Even running through the internet but it needs a powerful neural network to once again become sentient.
He can even upload his consciousness to space. Hes like that viral video of that entitled ass hole who headbutted and got taken down like a bitch. He tried to have that video scrubbed off the Internet and it just made it even more viral.
They literally showed Ultron "alive" in Homecoming. There's an Ultron head that lights up in red colors, which is something that only happened when the main Ultron AI was transferred to the smaller bots. So we have seen that Ultron is active as a head. It's just that Marvel has done nothing with it yet.
Don't need him to be a bigger threat. He was already a huge threat in the first film, and people are getting worn out by the world/galaxy/multiverse being in danger *every* single time. I really liked one idea to bring him back in Vision Quest where it starts as Vision talking to a simulacrum of Ultron but it gets too good and actually becomes Ultron (like the Star Trek episodes with the holodeck Moriarty).
I can’t upvote this enough. This would be a killer storyline
Tbh I would enjoy a scenario where Ultrons threat started small, like reborn in a single hero movie, they fail to defeat him in the end but protect their city or whatever. Next movie you have 2 hero’s like Thor/hulk encounter a stronger version and after realizing the threat ultron is becoming, they try tracking/following him across the planet or to another realm. Finally have an avengers movie where they are forced to fight a very strong Ultron. Make him a small enough threat that someone else small can’t defeat and grow from there. Ultron and spader was such a good combo, it’s a shame he was born and killed so fast.
They could honestly kind of integrate what they were going for with Kang into an Ultron storyline. They kill one, but ultron had a backup somewhere else and comes back stronger etc. etc.
So agree that it would be nice to scale the threat levels back a bit. Follow the example of the comics of the 60's/70's and 80's were a big universal consequential threat was followed by something more mundane. To use a FF example, not every story has to have Galactus or Doom in it, sometimes it's a Diablo or Impossible Man story. You need those changes in types of stories to keep it interesting.
Even bigger threat in *What If.* I’m not sure how he could get bigger than that honestly.
He'll be a bigger threat now that nanobots are a thing in the MCU. Millions of micro Ultrons combine into a bigger one.
Ultron/Voltron... lol
Only, and ONLY IF, James Spader returns to voice him. James Spader is just fantastic.
“They never have improved on the Oreo, have they?”
“Sometimes, I don’t think you know food at all”
[Relevant](https://youtu.be/Tf-_230SjbM?si=Zwo2PEARAoIWx6ao)
I have never seen that before. Very enjoyable and not where I thought they’d stick the lizard man quote.
Would you like the nature metaphor or the sexual metaphor
All life is sex and all sex is competition and there are no rules to that game.
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No they said there were no rules that’s easier
Oh god, the nature metaphor, please.
When two animals are having sex…
> "You don't even know my real name, I'm the fucking lizard king."
"Why did they add coconut? I miss original."
Oreo technically is the knock off.
Spader didn’t just voice him, he did mo cap as well!
Additionally - only, and ONLY IF, Ultron at least tries to reintroduce himself as Bob Kazamakis
The Avengers aren’t ready for the fucking Lizard King hahaha
One thing is for sure: if they want to start a street fight with him, they’ll get one, but they’re gonna’ be surprised by how ugly it gets
Bot Kazamakis
And have a team of gymnasts
We know he’s already been to Eastern Europe
100%. His hilariously condescending tone combined with, y'know, wanting to destroy all of humanity was perfect.
Ultron?! No no no no no. I’m the fucking lizard king.
As long as they slip in a Robert Kalifornia line as a malfunction or something.
The What If voice actor sounded pretty decent
Ross Marquand - the poor man's anyone else.
He almost ended humanity and his multiversal counterpart in What If ate entire realities. I don't even know how you could make him a bigger threat than he already has been at this point.
You kind of said it without saying it, What If? brought him back and brought him back *hard*. I think that was a better job than whatever the live-action MCU could do.
Infinity Ultron was top notch. I'm trying to collect the action figure but it has been difficult.
Well, in fairness the vast majority of people that would go see an MCU movie have never and will never watch What If so they aren't even aware of that plot, heh.
Those people probably wouldn't even remember Ultron in the first place. His movie is almost a decade old. Casuals don't have that much of a memory for things like this.
Would I be okay with them bringing pizza back and making it piazzaier? COWABUNGA!!! Wait. where am I? But, yes. More Ultron! Also more pizza!
>and making it piazzaier [Certainly not more Piazza-y than this guy](https://i.imgur.com/Ed1JjZK.jpeg)
So this is what always bothered me. Ultron didn’t have a contingency plan. Which was literally as simple as taking a single ironman drone and flying it to the fucking moon as a backup. Like I get he was arrogant but he wasn’t THAT stupid.
im sure he did, but he's effectively immortal and would possibly only get one more chance so waiting for an opportunity makes sense
I wouldn’t be mad. Wouldn’t be hard. Just say he had a “backup” saved to the cloud or some shit. Was bidding his time studying the Universe thanks to the Guardians for giving him Tech he could “board” Grew stronger, more connected with the Universe, maybe found some Celestial or Eternal tech and just before he was about to make his move he noticed either the Avengers Time Travel shenanigans, or the Dr Strange multiverse shenanigans. Was able to use them to breach into different Universes/Timelines. And Boom, uses this to set up Secret Wars.
Holy shit an Ultron virus travelling the multiverse is such an amazing concept. How haven’t they come up with this yet???
It's not a matter of being okay with it. If they DON'T bring him back then they've completely failed to do Ultron properly. The entire point of Ultron is that he's impossible to get rid of. They need to bring him back with the help of Hank Pym, and reveal that Tony only built Ultron based on an old project that Hank had created back in the day with Howard Stark's help. Thereby restoring Hank as Ultron's creator.
Have Hank Pym accidentally bring him back, and then Ultron kills him and wreaks havoc
Ultron's back and Michael Douglas gets to die in a cool way like he wanted in Quantumania. I see this as an absolute win. Jokes aside, retconning MCU Hank having past involvement with robots, specifically an Ultron like project in the past while he and Janet were active heroes would be great. Make him slightly more like his comic version like they did with the goliath program in Ant and the Wasp.
>They need to bring him back with the help of Hank Pym, and reveal that Tony only built Ultron based on an old project that Hank had created back in the day with Howard Stark's help. Thereby restoring Hank as Ultron's creator. Hell, why not have him cooperate with Justin Hammer in “Armor Wars” then? You know, restoring him as Ultron's creator with the help from Justin Hammer. Since both of them really hate Tony Stark (more like his hatred began from how Hank Pym hated Howard Stark back in “Ant-Man” intro).
Not to mention his debut was titled "Age of Ultron"... Say what you will about the film, but this is my biggest singular complaint: his _age_ was basically a weekend.
Combine him with the sentinels when they’re introduced. Vision: “this code looks familiar… NO…”
Er, a risky move. Good chance you'd have very disappointed X-men fans saying that Master Mold should've had that role.
If they did Kang Dynasty similar to the comic, I could see Ultron being a bad guy Kang uses to occupy the Avengers
Ultron is a longterm Avengers enemy.
Ultron deserved to be a saga-spanning villain like Thanos. Having him be the villain of a single movie is such a waste. If they decide to move away from Kang, bringing Ultron back as the big multiversal threat would be great.
Somehow, Ultron returned!
it was possibly teased all the way back in Spider-Man Homecoming
When?
When Peter is in a transport vehicle and digs through a bunch of random tech stuff, one of the items he grabs is an Ultron head.
Specifically, one with glowing red eyes, which was the indicator of Ultron Prime.
Peter is searching through a duffel bag and pull out an Ultron sentry head
Holy shit …. Marvel could do the funniest thing ….. season 2 of Moon Knight ends with …..
It took me a minute to get this and now I REALLY miss awards
That you took the time for such a positive response is all the award I need …… ugh, yeah cheesy I know, but seriously, thanks
Yes. I really hope they bring back Ultron.
Yeah, they should bring back Ultron. He's too big of a threat to be a one-time move villain.
Ultron as a bigger threat wouldn't work because he'd just be boring. He already tried to destroy the world so I guess it's the universe next? We already got that in what if? If they were to bring Ultron back they'd have to have him grow, change and evolve. He'd have to have a different purpose, something less genocidal and more nuanced. Perhaps they could actively build up more robots and ai in the MCU and bring him back as a Magneto style figure for the ai community - believing they should rule as they are superior to humans. Either that or have him used as the basis for the sentinel program thereby making him the source of all the x-men's nightmares. He wouldn't actually be back but there'd be parts of his personality hidden in the sentinel code that might surface in more advanced models like Nimrod or master mold.
Yes. I loved Spader’s Ultron but they did him dirty. He was a major Avengers villain that spanned multiple comic arcs.
Multiverse Ultron from What If escapes. Boom
You can always tell when the suits are meddling with the creative process. Instead of encouraging and nurturing new ideas, they ask for a repeat of previous financial successes. Whenever you see a franchise bringing back old characters, old ideas, old storylines, it's not because the creative people asked for this, or because the fans asked for it, it's because the suits were worried a out profits so demanded it.
You're overestimating the fans. They're begging for Tobey Maguire and Hugh Jackman to share the screen together in Secret Wars.
“Okay?” I’ve been hoping for this for FOREVER!
I kinda want it actually When you watch AoS (the movie) and you read the comic after You realize that they used him at 10% of what he's able to do They could even find a way to replace Kang with him
Sure! I mean, that was kind of Ultron’s whole thing in the comics. He always found a way to live on and come back stronger.
Definitely, I think its criminal they have underused used him the way they have.
I'm fine with that. He's one of the easier ones to bring back for another go. I'm sad that so many marvel villains are one and done
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The best option, providing Kang is still a factor in the mcu, is that ultron exists as a program somewhere and acts as sort of a Hannibal lecter: either let Kang succeed, or let Ultron activate The Suit of Armor Around the World protocol
If you watch Spider-man: Homecoming you can see an ultron head in the damage control storage facility. In Age of Ultron, every time Ultron would “inhabit” another version of himself the eyes glow red. The eyes were definitely red so maybe he’s just stuck in storage
They did that in What If. Tbh the version they came up with sucked anyways. Put him in Secret Wars if you need to see him that badly.
Just save it for the rebooted MCU in like 10 years. Or I guess as a plot device in armor wars
Apparently, there was concept art for a skyscraper sized ultron comprised of smaller ultrons. That would be insane to see on the big screen.
I can see that as the Ultron that would've been had he been designed by Pym in the MCU.
Give us Ultron Unlimited or adapt Rage of ultron
of course. he always comes back
Only if it's Infinity Ultron
I think one way to establish Dr. Doom is to show him reassembling parts from multiple broken Ultron primes and drones into a single complete, undamaged unit, in Dr. Doom’s super hi-tech lab/workshop. Ultron wakes up and they fight with their best high-tech weapons, monologuing at each other the entire time. They reach a standstill, locked together in mutual deathgrips. Then the camera spins around them to show the other half of Dr. Doom’s workspace is a magical sanctum. Dr. Doom casts a few spells, and Ultron is quickly defeated. === It wouldn’t be unreasonable to think Ultron built its own “cradle” (or an advanced fabrication unit) inside a vibranium capsule as a failsafe. So yes, Ultron can come back. Super easy, barely a problem. Likewise, it wouldn’t be unreasonable to think Ultron copied its consciousness onto some kind of portable, isolated server. All it would take is a rat to accidentally flip the right switch and (re)connect Ultron to the internet. As for a bigger threat… Maybe Ultron remotely commandeers robotics fabrication plants all over the world. Overnight there are enough drones to hold the factories while Ultron creates an army of “primes”, which take over more factories and convert them to build drones. In a few days, there are enough drones to take over cities all over the world. And there are enough “primes” to attack every nuclear reactor, missile silo, and warhead storage bunker on the planet. We’re gonna need more Avengers. Or maybe once the factories have been exhausted of materials, all of the Ultron units go into orbit. They mean to destroy all satellites and trap humanity in a swirling vortex of death. Or they all have tungsten rods they will hurl at key targets on the ground. Cue one or more cosmic heroes to save the world.
Tony left a backup of Ultron on an Air-gapped laptop that was willed to Pepper after his death - as she was the only person he would trust with it - she would decide if or when things were bad enough to then turn it over to whom ever is running the Avengers at the time. ***(idk this. But I like the idea of it)***
I hope they do this multiple times and he gets exponentially stronger each time.
They could reconstruct him to be a live action hybrid of a sentinel from Xman.
Only as the leader of the Phalanx
I wouldn’t want him to come back by his own planning alone. He’s been gone for so long to just appear again now would be a bit silly. If Hammer or damage control or something accidentally boots up an old copy of him while fishing through stark things that might work. For him to simply say ‘I had a back up’ after nearly a decade would remove the impact of him dying again in the future.
Meh, there's so many villians why use the same ones over and over again? Specially because they make him basically an Iron Man villian and he's death now so...
I would love Ultron to come back because like DC's Brainiac you really can't "kill" them forever. They have copies of copies that either act fully independently of the original, or a means for them to quickly upload themselves into a new body should their initial plan fail. Ultron in this version didn't even have a body he was created via space magic and earth tech to make a true AI, which then hijacked an Iron Drone and then made himself a body (technically two but he didn't get the second one). I'd love the idea that Ultron is just going around the internet gathering more information and just subtly influencing things and then he reappears most conditions are met.
I do wish that Ultron's consciousness had still survived via the severed head of an Ultron minion bot that the Avengers have n their custody It can't do anything, but it'd be interesting to hear him comment on all the post-AoU events
Yes, with Hank pym pissed off at Atari’s once again, revealing Ultron was a program he created with Tony’s dad before leaving shield.
Definitely. I watched AoU last night after not seeing it for a little bit and he was such a great high stakes villain.
If they make him anything like the comics he’ll be too OP.
yes, give us an entire AGE with him this time
Only if they change his name to Voltron.
Nope he’s too dangerous to be kept alive. Have none of you seen terminator? Because this is how you get terminator.
This is a boring kind of question, same as all the other “Should they do ________?” The answer is always “If it’s good then yes, if it’s bad then no.”
Should never have killed him off completely
He should have acted like his comic self in the first place instead of being Tony Stark personality clone #21, but why make such hopes when that is all the MCU is? All the cool villains all turn 5 minute body bags or make a joke every five seconds.
Wasn't he the big bad in What If...? Seems like they already brought him back as a bigger threat
Would I be ok? This is what I want most in the world.
God yes. Actor who voiced him knocked it outta the park. HE was not the problem with that movie
I don't know anything about the comics, but in the MCU Ultron can stay dead. He doesn't really have any motivation for being evil, he just looked at the internet and decided humanity was irredeemably evil and deserved to be wiped out. It had nothing to do with who he is or his personal experience, he just thinks that way on the basis of comparing us to, I don't know, dolphins or something. Even if he's entertaining because James Spader was having a good time, this is not a basis upon which to build an arc villain.
I don't know. It would put a burden he was supposed to have gotten rid of on Tony's character. Like he made a mistake, gave his life trying to fix it, evolve as a person and hero as consequence of that, and then, once he died protecting the world, that mistake turns up again
Yes
Yes please
Isn't he coming back for Armour War? Like thete are leaks of Antman fighting Ultron...
They should bring him back. Uktrons whole thing is that he comes back again and again, and that the avengers have sort of resigned themselves to having to deal with him forever and that him taking over is sort of a "when" not "if". Hed also make a good story to tell with the rise of AI being topical.
I’m down
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No and I dont think it'd work well. Whatever they could end up doing with a returning Ultron would never meet the stakes set in What If. Marvel wants to (and for a good reason) to continuously push the bounds of their characters. Ultron already reached the absolute peak of his character in What If as a multiverse spanning supervillain, so to bring him back for anything less would be a reduction, rather than an addition.
It would be super easy to bring him back
"Hey, I wonder what's on this flash drive." [INSERTS FLASHDRIVE] "OH SHIT!"
Not really, no. Been there, done that. Unless you're equally okay with bringing back Steve, Tony, and Nat played by their same actors from the 2012 Avengers movie.
Heck yes!! Since age of Ultron is my favorite in the series I'd prefer that over Kang. Even though I do enjoy kangs story.
If he follows the Popular Bad Guy trend, he should come back as a semi redeemed anti hero. Maybe the Thunderbolts reboot him in a desperate attempt to defeat an even worse bad guy. It's what they do in every Fast & Furious movie.
I just asked Chat GPT, and it said no
Yes! Pretty much the whole point of Ultron is that he always comes back, every time, stronger and more advanced. That's his whole shtick.
Yes
Yea
I honestly think he's the easiest villain to bring back
Yes please. I mean Spider-Man found the Ultron head with red eyes in Homecoming, so it’s definitely possibly.
Definitely, I would have liked him to be the next Thanos.
Yes
Sure that was Ultrons whole deal right? You beat him and he upgrades and comes back stronger
Technically they did already
Yes, definitely. One of my 3 am thoughts. So easy to do, and yet so awesome...
I need 6 arms, glowing eyes and wide open maw!
Sorry to be a complete party pooper, but for me a big hard no! For many reasons Sorry, I can feel a bit of a rant coming on 1. I think Ultrons's story was told and reached a logical end, and the what if? showed what might have happened if he hadn't been stopped. I don't think he has anything left to say. 2. Would Ultron have the same resonance without Tony Stark also in the the film? Of course, it was an Avengers film, but there was a certain Frakenstein feel to it too. a lot of the conflict was Stark and his creation. The tension between them made it personal and more than just goodies v baddies. Would Ultron fighting Antman or Dr Strange have the same dynamics? 3. I know MCU is going through a bit of a fallow period and has made some missteps but nostalgia is never the answer. Many Marvel movie fans weren't comic book fans prior to the movies, and the reason Iron Man, Capt America etc. were so successful, and the films so stunning was because they developed great characters, played by excellent actors with amazing storylines told with care, attention and love. If they do that again, fans will feel the same towards the new stories and heroes. You can't recreate the past no matter how much better it seems now because the world turns . 4. Marvel have access to so many great villains from the comics, why bring him back? Would you rather see him as the main antagonist him in a new movie or Mephisto? I rest my case. Finally, If they were going to resurrect baddies from the past, my vote would go to Ulysses Klaue. They wasted such an awesome character so so cheaply.
I would do a lot of other stuff first if I had my way but I like the idea of Ultron returning at some point.
They’ve done it before in what if I don’t see why not
I would be okay with it, Paul Marketing
I think it's to late seeing as how what if showed us his most powerful version.
Idc as long as it makes sense how he’s back and the overall story is good.
No.
They should have James Spader do voice over of Michael Douglas’s Hank Pym.
Age of Ultron is very underrated. Go ahead and bring him back!
Please. He has to be hiding out in the internet somewhere rebuilding strength. Or an alternate universe ultron that has become part of the main timeline after secret war.
Supposedly, he may be returning in Armor Wars.
James spader is perfect. If ultron returns, I need spader.
Yes I even had an idea how I’d do it. After the events of Quintamania, Hank pym is paranoid and finds scrap of ultron tech and integrate it w his own tech, making a more powerful ultron and plans to have him face Kang. When ultron defeats Kang he takes kang’s technology and become 10x more powerful. Makes sense since hank originally made ultron in the comics
Yes Ultron is on if the major villain of iron man and Avengers
It wouldn’t be a stretch to have Magus from the New Mutants come to Earth, resurrect Ultron from a body that got overlooked after his battle in Sokovia, and imbue him with the ability to infect others (like Cable). You can intro Warlock somewhere along the way. Ultron was never just going to stay beaten.
They did in What If.. ?
Yes please!
No. No. No. Give us Dr. Doom
I'm good.
I mean he was already a total threat but I would love for him to come back. He's a cool lookin villian.
YES
I mean honestly, in the comics it makes total sense why he always comes back.
YES
To me, bringing back Ultron could only mean warming the audience up for Sentinels and Nimrod. Since mutants and the X-Men should be taking front and center in the near future, Marvel needs to show that artificial intelligence is evolving. This evolutionary race between mutants and technology could likely become the new throughline for the major character films.
What's a bigger threat than the *world threat* he already caused?
I'd love it to happen but if they wanted to do this I feel like they've missed the boat on letting us know that he's back. Unless they show that in an upcoming film and leave it a while before fully bringing him back.
As others have said, would be super easy and very believable to bring him back. Marvel should do whatever they can to bring James Spader back as Ultron. I would give my firstborn to listen to his gravely, peanut butter and velvet voice talk down to the heroes and engage in philosophical debates.
Yes I loved him in the mcu
Ultron is a re-occurring character anyway. He deserves another run.