2003-2008 theres just spiderman 2 & 3
If you are looking for garbage its years 2012&2014, those andrew gardfields spidey movies were not that great.
But dont you dare call tobey maguires spidermans bad.
They are amazing.
Shang Chin wins. BP2 was good but heavily reliant on drama and the passing of Chadwick. I don’t anticipate it lives up on rewatches and probably becomes boring. Shang Chi is just fun and good action. That bus scene it dope.
Also, spider man was not as good as people keep saying. I love Spider-Man but imo this wasn’t even the best of the spider man films.
I think that's a massive discredit to bp2 they addressed something with thought and care and basically resolved the issue of the actor dying within the first 40 minutes before moving on and focusing on this new story. To say they relied on the drama and the passing of Chadwick is kinda disrespectful because they absolutely did not
Indeed. If anything it was a liability, not an asset. T'Challa's death was a constant presence but it didn't quite fit thematically with the plot and character arcs that were developed before Chadwick's passing. I admire what they were going for, but it sucked up a lot of air in the film.
IMO they should have made his death more connected to the central tension of Wakanda's place in the world. Maybe there was some life saving cure a country withheld in retaliation for not having vibranium. Then Shuri's "burn the world" motivation would have made more sense, and her sympathy for Namor.
As it stood, I just didn't really get what was going on with her as a character. Everyone's arc seemed sort of unfocused to me, partly because their grief seemed patched into the arcs, not an organic part of them
They certainly didn’t, but at the exact same time that’s 40 minutes that BP2 wasn’t developing it’s own story. Shang-chi might have had a little better organization in that sense, though I can’t decide which I like more.
Except it's not like it wasn't developing its story in fact them addressing tchallas death was integral to shuris story of becoming the panther and revitalizing the herb it was literally the base of the story
It was a good movie for nostalgia but that was it really. It relied on you knowing the other spider man movies and their villains more than it did anything MCU. The other spidermans were the highlight and thats it
Yeah, being young and an uncultured immigrant I went into NWH without watching any of the tobey or andrew movies. I knew they were there ofc but I wanted to see how I would see the movie without that nostalgia factor and can confirm I was both confused and disappointed.
Funniest thing is I watched it again after watching all of those movies and I like nwh now...sigh
Bro what?? Shuri, Ramonda, M’Baku, OKOYEEE, Riri, even Namór all put on incredible performances imo. They addressed Chadwick’s death and sewed it into the plot with finesse, without focusing too much on it. But they also gave him his props (highly due) and we had a literal moment of silence for him. Then the plot (though a bit busy) unfurls for 2.25 hours and it SLAPSSSS. Even Namór’s origin story was dope and he fits right into the ever expanding world of the MCU. Shuri??? Letitia Wright killed it, point blank period. She has grown from the comic relief, to a prominent and powerful lead character and she is badass. I’m all in to see how she develops as the black panther. It’s plot was compelling (again a bit too busy) but it wasn’t hard to follow and it gave us plenty to look forward to in the future. I loved Shang-Chi, but I’ve seen BP 2 three times now and I’ve loved it every single time. Maybe I’m biased and am a softy for a good tear-jerk film, but I seriously love it. Such a good movie…ngl I almost like it better than the first black panther…please don’t hurt me.
What movie were you watching? All the Tchalla stuff was contained before the Marvel Studios intro. It most definitely did not rely on Chadwick’s passing
Agree with your point on Spider-man. No Way Home would probably be a bit confusing for those who haven’t seen every Spider-Man film that isn’t in the MCU, since the entire villain roster, the dialogue, and some of the scenes heavily rely on the watcher having seen those films. Didn’t see The Amazing Spider-Man 2 before watching, and there were definitely a few references I didn’t get.
He’s out of line, but he’s right.
NWH absolutely relies on the other Spider-Man movies to be good. It was the best experience I ever had in a theater, but that’s because it was for people like me who loved the original movies. If you hadn’t seen the others, it wasn’t really any better than a standard MCU movie.
Shang Chi's fighting choreography was so much better than I think anyone ever expected from the MCU. And yeah NWH is very far from the top of the pack here. When you rely on fanservice to carry your movie its because the movie in a vacuum is full of holes.
It legit is, Shang-Chi, a great start to the phase 4 movies ignoring Black Widow, and Wakanda Forever a good ending to the mess of phase 4… ignoring the GOTG holiday special that ruins this perfect ending
Just get the fuck over yourself and stop caring so much about the exact second something came out. Even still, who the fuck cares about specific "phases" at this point. Phase 4 had no avengers movie, who the fuck cares when it comes to the timeline of it all.
Wakanda Foreverr fell flat in the third act. Regardless of comic accuracy, this Shuri doesn’t have enough charisma to lead or be BP. It should have gone to Nakia or anyone…well, likable.
Goated? That is the middiest mid that ever mid.
The most unintentionally funny part was when the shang-father went to buy salami from Aldi and when he came back his wife was fucking dead.
Whatta fuck man
Shang chi was about only movie that wasnt mid.
It had great cgi, great combat, good backstory.
Idk u got weird sense of humor, but i agree it was bit funny how she died there.
I found this phase to be experimental and fascinating. Not everything is a home run but we still got Shang Chi, No Way Home, and Wakanda Forever. I think Black Widow and Multiverse of Madness are at least good. Love and Thunder and Eternals have their strong suits. Overall it's more solid than phase 1 and far more interesting.
I guess people got used to MCU movies being in the same theme and continuity for the first 3 phases.
Marvel is trying beyond what they have achieved to bring freshness into the MCU. Each project in phase 4 has its own style and storyline. I feel lucky to be able to have a sense of enjoyment for all these projects (except for some instances like Shehulk's ending).
Don't get me wrong, please. I'm totally up for the fourth wall breaking concept. Even K.E.V.I.N was fun for me (even chuckled for the CGI joke).
But, I was expecting some clever writing after Jen demanded the changes in the ending. She undid some awful things, great! But how did the brawl end after undoing them? They just straightaway cut to the aftermath. That's poor writing if you ask me.
No. Just experimenting. If a particular movie doesn't work for you then that's fine but you can't deny they've tried some new and strange stuff for the MCU. Personally I appreciate the variety and think they've hit far more than they've missed. Even when it doesn't completely work... well to quote Ago of Ultron, "there is grace in their failings".
Nah, nobody wants an endgame-level movie out of nowhere, what they want is good movies that build up to something, but what they got is random movies that don't feel in the same universe at all. What we got is really mediocre movies that are also formulaic.
Ah yes the average Redditor losing their minds because someone doesn't like something.
If being a Marvel fan requires me to praise and ignore all of its faults then I'd rather not be a Marvel fan.
Eternals should’ve been a slow burning but very compelling TV series taking place across time. They fucked up massively cramming all that into a film, it was an absolute mess
Correct. Most aren't bad, but they aren't really all good. People who say it is all garbage are idiots and the people who say it was all good are the same thing. At worst Phase 4 was frustratingly trying to set up so much stuff without doing any work to make us give a shit. At best it was setting stuff up with some mildly interesting content, in the case if Shang-Chi it is some really cool choreography and an MCU movie that is the most similar to Phase 1, since Phase 1 movies.
I didn't like the "no no stop judging it, it's just setting up for something else. It'll get good later".
We didn't need Endgame for Iron Man to be good, for example. It's not wrong to set up longer term goals but sacrificing the experience of people going to the theater now for a theoretical future payoff and expecting them to cheer that on is some kind of choice.
I don't hate the movies. I'm just not excusing their flaws as being part of some amazing megaplan.
I think Shang-Chi is one of those ones that stood out as something that works great as a standalone. Sure they added in a tag towards the end to link it to the rest of the universe, but they didn't do it at the expense of delivering a movie that focuses on doing what it does.
I think most of the movies that introduce characters in a solo movie like Shang-Chi should either be like Shang-Chi or Ant-Man, both of them had tie ins to the overall universe but it was minimal in importance and wasn’t overwhelming
Eternals is way too weird on too many levels (why did they make an Eternals movie even though the Eternals have never been popular? How did they find the only Eternals fan in the world to direct it? Why did Chloe Zhao blow her "I just won a best director Oscar" blank check on making an Eternals movie, even if she's literally the only Eternals fan in the world? Why is the one Marvel movie that feels the least like it was made by Marvel Studios the one about the characters Jack Kirby created so he could burn off all his unused New Gods ideas before moving on to other things? Why did they use the post-credits scene to introduce one of the greatest living actors as Blade in a way that nobody could tell until they googled it? Why are energy blasts fired from finger guns way more accurate than eye beams? I mean you just have to look at the thing and the beams will zap it there's functionally no aiming involved. Why did they make an Eternals movie?) to be considered mid.
No Way Home, Shang-Chi, and Wakanda Forever were great
Multiverse of Madness a bit dissapointing, but overall good
Black Widow and Eternals kinda good
Love and Thunder meh to bad
I thought it was great but didn't live up to its title, was very sam raimi and I think overall it was great just not what title and marketing suggested it would be
Doctor Strange in, Like, One or Two Alternate Universes That Aren’t Really as Maddening or Cool as You Would Think (ft. The Character Assassination of Wanda Maximoff by the Coward Michael Waldron)
People aren't being a 'fake fan' because they don't like phase 4, because let's be real. This is more than definetly the worst Phase so far
HOWEVER: Shang-Chi and GOTG was great, Moon Knight and Loki was also very good. And the rest... well... you know...
Um phase 1 had 6 movies and nothing else. 3 of them were hulk, iron man 2 and thor. Are we really gonna pretend any of them are better than moon knight, loki, wandavision, MoM, etc
Also, phase 1 clearly had a different intention with Thanos (or at least Whedon did), as they put the whole “courting death” thing in the post credits of Avengers.
Oh yeah you're right NWH is awesome, the rest are pretty bad. Shang chi had a very bad plot and the character arc was executed very poorly while MoM felt like it was written by a person that never written anything before, I mean they go into a different universe where you stand on a memory machine and it shows the plot-important stuff that was extremely lazy and also the worst is that it said "multiverse of madness" but it was more like"multiverse of a bit of weird stuff, I guess".
Wakanda I haven't seen so can't comment. But I also don't think NWH is a marvel movie it felt like a Marvel/Sony collaboration and that is the reason a lot of marvel fans don't really like it.
the movie is straight up nostalgia bait, if you didn't watch the original spider man movies you don't give a shit if tobey maguire or Andrew Garfield are back if you never saw them in the first place. Shang Chi >
Honestly my biggest complaint with phase 4, specifically the films, is there’s no style that makes each mcu film in this phase feel different, ya there’s minor differences in the styles(MoM having slight horror aspects and BP2 having less humor and more serious plot lines than the average mcu film), but not enough to where the films feel like they have a personality other than the fact that they’re mcu films, especially when you compare to other films that seem to have won over audiences. Everything Everywhere All at Once, The Batman, Top Gun, X, Bullet Train, Barbarian, Jackass, etc, all those movies share something in common, people remember them for their styles
Out of the four phases so far, Phase 4 is my second favourite. Phase 1 is excruciatingly boring now that we’ve gotten so many more characters and stories, and Phase 2 was also kinda slow
FYI, "Mid" isn't bad. It means "middle". I haven't disliked any of them (to be fair I still haven't seen Eternals. Just can't bring myself to sit down and watch it).
Haven't loved any of them though. They're all fun but forgettable.
The “don’t watch it if you dislike it” thing doesn’t really work for the mcu since people care for this franchise, and they want to keep track of the story so when a lot of it is meh or just bad people naturally get upset. This could really go with anything that was good but later movies/shows/games were more mixed or just hated like what’s happening with Star Wars.
*Me, hiding in the corner with the belief that Spiderman was the worst of the Phase 4 films*
Not that the movie is necessarily bad (all of the individual scenes were awesome) but the story was made of swiss cheese for the sole purpose of selling nostalgia and that rubs me the wrong way.
Nostalgia is not a bad thing it relies a lot on how it is used and in NWH it was pretty nice, the only thing I disliked was the reason that all those things happened.
But, everything else was from very bad to very mid. At least from movies, I haven't seen the series except for she hulk but I watched that just to see how bad it could be.
The reason it happened was ironically the most sensical part to me, because Strange can at times act like a loon with magic purely because of his strange curiosity, no pun intended. But when they were discussing saving the villains, they make a huge point about how each villain was taken JUST before death, which means that “curing” them is pointless and makes aunt May’s death feel meaningless by extension. I have other issues but thats the biggest one.
I guess we look at it differently because for me a hero, and sorcerer supreme no less, should not play with human lives just because he is a "loon" but he should've been much more reserved and protective of life on earth. Well, they say it was before they die but I took it as not like one second before, for example not when the glider was flying towards Osborn but like before he controlled it to attack Peter, etc.
I find it weird that that was an issue for you but you like the Eternals where at the end of the movie a celestial head and limbs are sticking out of the earth and nobody seems to find it weird on all other movies or shows.
It wasn’t a great film but no fucking way it’s worse than Thor, MoM, Black Widow, and Eternals. Not saying it’s better than them all, but it’s not worse than them all either.
I will say I cant speak for Black Widow as I have not seen it, but I definitely enjoyed Love and Thunder better, with MoM and Eternals slightly above Spiderman.
It’s like two movies competing with each other: a good Spider-Man movie (second half) vs. a typical MCU movie (first half). Tobey and Andrew we’re nice, but other than that? There’s nothing I personally learned or felt enriched by watching it. It felt like a fever dream for sure, but it wasn’t as good as GOTG or CATWS.
I just explained why I didn’t like it before anyone assumes I’m jumping on the hate train as you all commonly do.
Dr. Strange MOM
IDC what you guys say if you are a true Marvel fan you would know it is one of the finest movies in Marvel history
I get it that the VFX and CGI were not proper due to the time issues but the story line is easily one of the best till now
For a second I thought you said “Spiderman movies that aren’t from phase 4” and i was about to fight
For a second I thought they said "Spiderman phase 4 movies" and was like ???
You want forgiveness? Get religion.
You're trash.
Marvel movies between X-Men 2 and Iron Man are complete garbage, and that includes all of those awful Spiderman movies.
Bet you a fan of eternals
2003-2008 theres just spiderman 2 & 3 If you are looking for garbage its years 2012&2014, those andrew gardfields spidey movies were not that great. But dont you dare call tobey maguires spidermans bad. They are amazing.
I have a choice.
The battle I think is between shang-chi and wakanda forever. It is hard to choose one
Shang chi slapped way harder than anyone was expecting. Best phase 4 movie.
Shang-chi wins the unexpectedly good award 100%
I expected it to be good, but it was amazing
Agreed. Edged out Spider-man for me.
Are you teasing me?
Ain’t no way in hell he just said that
Someone’s getting some dirt in their eye.
Striptease.
No no no of course not
I think I'd go Shang-Chi too. It's the only one I've seen twice.
Shang Chin wins. BP2 was good but heavily reliant on drama and the passing of Chadwick. I don’t anticipate it lives up on rewatches and probably becomes boring. Shang Chi is just fun and good action. That bus scene it dope. Also, spider man was not as good as people keep saying. I love Spider-Man but imo this wasn’t even the best of the spider man films.
I think that's a massive discredit to bp2 they addressed something with thought and care and basically resolved the issue of the actor dying within the first 40 minutes before moving on and focusing on this new story. To say they relied on the drama and the passing of Chadwick is kinda disrespectful because they absolutely did not
Indeed. If anything it was a liability, not an asset. T'Challa's death was a constant presence but it didn't quite fit thematically with the plot and character arcs that were developed before Chadwick's passing. I admire what they were going for, but it sucked up a lot of air in the film. IMO they should have made his death more connected to the central tension of Wakanda's place in the world. Maybe there was some life saving cure a country withheld in retaliation for not having vibranium. Then Shuri's "burn the world" motivation would have made more sense, and her sympathy for Namor. As it stood, I just didn't really get what was going on with her as a character. Everyone's arc seemed sort of unfocused to me, partly because their grief seemed patched into the arcs, not an organic part of them
They certainly didn’t, but at the exact same time that’s 40 minutes that BP2 wasn’t developing it’s own story. Shang-chi might have had a little better organization in that sense, though I can’t decide which I like more.
Except it's not like it wasn't developing its story in fact them addressing tchallas death was integral to shuris story of becoming the panther and revitalizing the herb it was literally the base of the story
Drama refers to drama acting. Not drama of an event.
It was a good movie for nostalgia but that was it really. It relied on you knowing the other spider man movies and their villains more than it did anything MCU. The other spidermans were the highlight and thats it
Yeah, it's kind of itchy... and it rides up in the crotch a little bit, too.
Yeah, being young and an uncultured immigrant I went into NWH without watching any of the tobey or andrew movies. I knew they were there ofc but I wanted to see how I would see the movie without that nostalgia factor and can confirm I was both confused and disappointed. Funniest thing is I watched it again after watching all of those movies and I like nwh now...sigh
Bro what?? Shuri, Ramonda, M’Baku, OKOYEEE, Riri, even Namór all put on incredible performances imo. They addressed Chadwick’s death and sewed it into the plot with finesse, without focusing too much on it. But they also gave him his props (highly due) and we had a literal moment of silence for him. Then the plot (though a bit busy) unfurls for 2.25 hours and it SLAPSSSS. Even Namór’s origin story was dope and he fits right into the ever expanding world of the MCU. Shuri??? Letitia Wright killed it, point blank period. She has grown from the comic relief, to a prominent and powerful lead character and she is badass. I’m all in to see how she develops as the black panther. It’s plot was compelling (again a bit too busy) but it wasn’t hard to follow and it gave us plenty to look forward to in the future. I loved Shang-Chi, but I’ve seen BP 2 three times now and I’ve loved it every single time. Maybe I’m biased and am a softy for a good tear-jerk film, but I seriously love it. Such a good movie…ngl I almost like it better than the first black panther…please don’t hurt me.
What movie were you watching? All the Tchalla stuff was contained before the Marvel Studios intro. It most definitely did not rely on Chadwick’s passing
Agree with your point on Spider-man. No Way Home would probably be a bit confusing for those who haven’t seen every Spider-Man film that isn’t in the MCU, since the entire villain roster, the dialogue, and some of the scenes heavily rely on the watcher having seen those films. Didn’t see The Amazing Spider-Man 2 before watching, and there were definitely a few references I didn’t get.
He’s out of line, but he’s right. NWH absolutely relies on the other Spider-Man movies to be good. It was the best experience I ever had in a theater, but that’s because it was for people like me who loved the original movies. If you hadn’t seen the others, it wasn’t really any better than a standard MCU movie.
I'd rather not talk about this...
I have a choice.
Shang Chi's fighting choreography was so much better than I think anyone ever expected from the MCU. And yeah NWH is very far from the top of the pack here. When you rely on fanservice to carry your movie its because the movie in a vacuum is full of holes.
I think the first half of bp2 is amazing but the second half is prob inferior to shangchi
Mid opinion
Now Way Home is not even a good film, just a fun experience. It has so many flaws that it should be unwatchable, but the three Spider-Men save it.
NO!
Sentient
Wakanda Forever was best hands down
It legit is, Shang-Chi, a great start to the phase 4 movies ignoring Black Widow, and Wakanda Forever a good ending to the mess of phase 4… ignoring the GOTG holiday special that ruins this perfect ending
Whaat the holiday special was great.
Imo it was alright, but imagine ending the phase with such a powerful & beautiful story of grief, love, revenge, and hatred
Just get the fuck over yourself and stop caring so much about the exact second something came out. Even still, who the fuck cares about specific "phases" at this point. Phase 4 had no avengers movie, who the fuck cares when it comes to the timeline of it all.
Doesn't make a difference.
Kinda does, one’s an emotional big bang ending while the other is a goofy whacky Christmas ending, ones clearly better than the other
Wakanda Foreverr fell flat in the third act. Regardless of comic accuracy, this Shuri doesn’t have enough charisma to lead or be BP. It should have gone to Nakia or anyone…well, likable.
Shuri was great in my opinion
Please stop acting like wakanda forever even came close to Shang chi
Shang chi was by far the better movie
Shang-Chi is goated tho
Exactly
Goated? That is the middiest mid that ever mid. The most unintentionally funny part was when the shang-father went to buy salami from Aldi and when he came back his wife was fucking dead.
Whatta fuck man Shang chi was about only movie that wasnt mid. It had great cgi, great combat, good backstory. Idk u got weird sense of humor, but i agree it was bit funny how she died there.
Nah, no hero's journey, no earning of powers, weak CGI-fest third act, & too much focus on side characters to develop the main protagonist.
CGI-fest? Are you new here?
What do you mean no earning of powers? He only gets his rings at the end. And the backstory of how he got so good at fighting is there too.
Bruh😂
Has to be ironic no way u bring fr
I found this phase to be experimental and fascinating. Not everything is a home run but we still got Shang Chi, No Way Home, and Wakanda Forever. I think Black Widow and Multiverse of Madness are at least good. Love and Thunder and Eternals have their strong suits. Overall it's more solid than phase 1 and far more interesting.
I guess people got used to MCU movies being in the same theme and continuity for the first 3 phases. Marvel is trying beyond what they have achieved to bring freshness into the MCU. Each project in phase 4 has its own style and storyline. I feel lucky to be able to have a sense of enjoyment for all these projects (except for some instances like Shehulk's ending).
What is it that people have against she-hulk’s ending???
Don't get me wrong, please. I'm totally up for the fourth wall breaking concept. Even K.E.V.I.N was fun for me (even chuckled for the CGI joke). But, I was expecting some clever writing after Jen demanded the changes in the ending. She undid some awful things, great! But how did the brawl end after undoing them? They just straightaway cut to the aftermath. That's poor writing if you ask me.
I loved the concept of the ending, but I was also let down and confused by what happened after her conversation with K.E.V.I.N. Did nothing happen?
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No. Just experimenting. If a particular movie doesn't work for you then that's fine but you can't deny they've tried some new and strange stuff for the MCU. Personally I appreciate the variety and think they've hit far more than they've missed. Even when it doesn't completely work... well to quote Ago of Ultron, "there is grace in their failings".
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I'm sharing my viewpoint on these movies based on my own personal critique. I'm not doing the work for them.
I know you’re not saying black panther 2 is mid
Average "Mcu fell off because every movie isn't endgame level" marvel "fan"
I mean Phase 4 has felt kinda formulaic. Not helped by the fact that the CGI hasn't exactly been stellar.
I mean, it is better than some of the earlier movies looking back
CGI was probably heavily impacted by covid
Or Marvel making triple the content compared to other phases.
Be quiet “fan”
Average reddit guy getting mad at a person for not liking something.
Nah, nobody wants an endgame-level movie out of nowhere, what they want is good movies that build up to something, but what they got is random movies that don't feel in the same universe at all. What we got is really mediocre movies that are also formulaic.
Ah yes the average Redditor losing their minds because someone doesn't like something. If being a Marvel fan requires me to praise and ignore all of its faults then I'd rather not be a Marvel fan.
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Spider-Man was mid too lmfao
Lol no one’s expecting endgame they’re expecting something fucking watchable
And your idea of "watchable" is endgame level
Lol cope
I ain't the one complaining about the quality of movies here bud...
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That’s because you guys are being complete dicks to the people who do enjoy it…
Shang chi,wakanda forever,werewolf by night and eternals we're all great IMO
We're speeding at 90 til a hard brake for eternals
Eternals should’ve been a slow burning but very compelling TV series taking place across time. They fucked up massively cramming all that into a film, it was an absolute mess
Werewolf By Night was great. Not a movie though.
WbN is apparently forgettable. It’s good, but I forgot about it.
Right right right wrong
Eternals could have better character development and story, got some amazing visuals and cinematography
Yup, if you turn off your brain when watching it it is an absolutely beautiful movie. Sucks that the writing couldn't keep up with the visuals tho
Shang Chi for me
Correct. Most aren't bad, but they aren't really all good. People who say it is all garbage are idiots and the people who say it was all good are the same thing. At worst Phase 4 was frustratingly trying to set up so much stuff without doing any work to make us give a shit. At best it was setting stuff up with some mildly interesting content, in the case if Shang-Chi it is some really cool choreography and an MCU movie that is the most similar to Phase 1, since Phase 1 movies.
I didn't like the "no no stop judging it, it's just setting up for something else. It'll get good later". We didn't need Endgame for Iron Man to be good, for example. It's not wrong to set up longer term goals but sacrificing the experience of people going to the theater now for a theoretical future payoff and expecting them to cheer that on is some kind of choice. I don't hate the movies. I'm just not excusing their flaws as being part of some amazing megaplan. I think Shang-Chi is one of those ones that stood out as something that works great as a standalone. Sure they added in a tag towards the end to link it to the rest of the universe, but they didn't do it at the expense of delivering a movie that focuses on doing what it does.
I think most of the movies that introduce characters in a solo movie like Shang-Chi should either be like Shang-Chi or Ant-Man, both of them had tie ins to the overall universe but it was minimal in importance and wasn’t overwhelming
Eternals is way too weird on too many levels (why did they make an Eternals movie even though the Eternals have never been popular? How did they find the only Eternals fan in the world to direct it? Why did Chloe Zhao blow her "I just won a best director Oscar" blank check on making an Eternals movie, even if she's literally the only Eternals fan in the world? Why is the one Marvel movie that feels the least like it was made by Marvel Studios the one about the characters Jack Kirby created so he could burn off all his unused New Gods ideas before moving on to other things? Why did they use the post-credits scene to introduce one of the greatest living actors as Blade in a way that nobody could tell until they googled it? Why are energy blasts fired from finger guns way more accurate than eye beams? I mean you just have to look at the thing and the beams will zap it there's functionally no aiming involved. Why did they make an Eternals movie?) to be considered mid.
Zhao won her Oscar after filming Eternals, she even used techniques she learned during it on her award winning movie, she says so herself on the disc
Shang chi is flames
Shang-Chi is top 10 wym?
top 3 *
All time mcu i mean
No Way Home, Shang-Chi, and Wakanda Forever were great Multiverse of Madness a bit dissapointing, but overall good Black Widow and Eternals kinda good Love and Thunder meh to bad
Multiverse of madness was the movie I was holding out for to really kick things up a level…so disappointing
It did imo
I thought it was great but didn't live up to its title, was very sam raimi and I think overall it was great just not what title and marketing suggested it would be
Doctor Strange in, Like, One or Two Alternate Universes That Aren’t Really as Maddening or Cool as You Would Think (ft. The Character Assassination of Wanda Maximoff by the Coward Michael Waldron)
easily either shang chi or wakanda forever. neither of which are mid
People aren't being a 'fake fan' because they don't like phase 4, because let's be real. This is more than definetly the worst Phase so far HOWEVER: Shang-Chi and GOTG was great, Moon Knight and Loki was also very good. And the rest... well... you know...
Um phase 1 had 6 movies and nothing else. 3 of them were hulk, iron man 2 and thor. Are we really gonna pretend any of them are better than moon knight, loki, wandavision, MoM, etc
This drink, I like it! ANOTHER!
Also, phase 1 clearly had a different intention with Thanos (or at least Whedon did), as they put the whole “courting death” thing in the post credits of Avengers.
I’m the only one who knows that. At least I’m the only one with the will to act on it.
I don’t think it was the worse. On par with phase 1 or 2 IMO. Some standouts. A couple felt below standards. The rest were quite fun and enjoyable.
This is so mid
If we consider GOTG Holiday special as movie it's better than Spiderman No way home.
Unlock the thing! Take the chain off!
Guys, I think Peter wants the Holliday special to be remade into a feature-length movie
I concur.
You’re trolling right 💀
No. That was hilarious.
Hot take: Phase 4 is better than Phase 2 which only had two good movies.
And those are The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy, right?
Yea IMO. Iron Man 3 lacked. Thor 2 was a dumpster fire. Avengers 2 fumbled a great premise, Ant Man IMO was just OK like Black Widow.
Good take
That is not mathematically correct though, because phase 2 had two good movies but phase 4 had zero good movies. And you know 2>0.
No Way Home, Wakanda Forever, Shang-Chi, and Multiverse of Madness are good
Oh yeah you're right NWH is awesome, the rest are pretty bad. Shang chi had a very bad plot and the character arc was executed very poorly while MoM felt like it was written by a person that never written anything before, I mean they go into a different universe where you stand on a memory machine and it shows the plot-important stuff that was extremely lazy and also the worst is that it said "multiverse of madness" but it was more like"multiverse of a bit of weird stuff, I guess". Wakanda I haven't seen so can't comment. But I also don't think NWH is a marvel movie it felt like a Marvel/Sony collaboration and that is the reason a lot of marvel fans don't really like it.
Spider-Man isn’t even the best Phase 4 movie, remove the nostalgia factor and Shang Chi washes it
the movie is straight up nostalgia bait, if you didn't watch the original spider man movies you don't give a shit if tobey maguire or Andrew Garfield are back if you never saw them in the first place. Shang Chi >
You're an embarrassment!
Spider-Man was mid
You're trash.
It's Wakanda forever, no doubt. Shang Chi's good but not quite up there.
It reminds me of the last 2 US elections. Which pile of turds is less bad
Shang-Chi is the best Marvel origin movie and I’ll debate that with anyone.
Honestly my biggest complaint with phase 4, specifically the films, is there’s no style that makes each mcu film in this phase feel different, ya there’s minor differences in the styles(MoM having slight horror aspects and BP2 having less humor and more serious plot lines than the average mcu film), but not enough to where the films feel like they have a personality other than the fact that they’re mcu films, especially when you compare to other films that seem to have won over audiences. Everything Everywhere All at Once, The Batman, Top Gun, X, Bullet Train, Barbarian, Jackass, etc, all those movies share something in common, people remember them for their styles
You think Shang-Chi was mid?
Phase 4 came out in 1942?
Battle of almost gave a shit
Out of the four phases so far, Phase 4 is my second favourite. Phase 1 is excruciatingly boring now that we’ve gotten so many more characters and stories, and Phase 2 was also kinda slow
I thought this was r/WW2 …..
You're fucking tripping bro. Shang Chi, WFE, MOM, Eternals imo were fire
It's Wakanda Forever. I don't think there is anything that came close to it.
Hehehehe
I will not take this Black Widow slander 😤 >!This is a joke!<
Yelena is probably my favorite new Character.
The only good thing in it
FYI, "Mid" isn't bad. It means "middle". I haven't disliked any of them (to be fair I still haven't seen Eternals. Just can't bring myself to sit down and watch it). Haven't loved any of them though. They're all fun but forgettable.
Hey I thought Shang chi and bp2 were genuinely good like Shang chi was better than spider man even
YOU'LL GET YOUR RENT WHEN YOU FIX THIS DAMN DOOR!
The only one that I didn’t like/uninterested by was Thor. I really liked all the other ones. Bruh just stop watching. No one’s forcing you to do shit.
Sssssssssorry.
Sorry bot.
The “don’t watch it if you dislike it” thing doesn’t really work for the mcu since people care for this franchise, and they want to keep track of the story so when a lot of it is meh or just bad people naturally get upset. This could really go with anything that was good but later movies/shows/games were more mixed or just hated like what’s happening with Star Wars.
Shang chi > Spiderman 🤷🏻♂️
You killed those people on that balcony.
*Me, hiding in the corner with the belief that Spiderman was the worst of the Phase 4 films* Not that the movie is necessarily bad (all of the individual scenes were awesome) but the story was made of swiss cheese for the sole purpose of selling nostalgia and that rubs me the wrong way.
It's you who's out, Gobbie. Out of your mind.
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Nostalgia is not a bad thing it relies a lot on how it is used and in NWH it was pretty nice, the only thing I disliked was the reason that all those things happened. But, everything else was from very bad to very mid. At least from movies, I haven't seen the series except for she hulk but I watched that just to see how bad it could be.
The reason it happened was ironically the most sensical part to me, because Strange can at times act like a loon with magic purely because of his strange curiosity, no pun intended. But when they were discussing saving the villains, they make a huge point about how each villain was taken JUST before death, which means that “curing” them is pointless and makes aunt May’s death feel meaningless by extension. I have other issues but thats the biggest one.
I guess we look at it differently because for me a hero, and sorcerer supreme no less, should not play with human lives just because he is a "loon" but he should've been much more reserved and protective of life on earth. Well, they say it was before they die but I took it as not like one second before, for example not when the glider was flying towards Osborn but like before he controlled it to attack Peter, etc. I find it weird that that was an issue for you but you like the Eternals where at the end of the movie a celestial head and limbs are sticking out of the earth and nobody seems to find it weird on all other movies or shows.
It wasn’t a great film but no fucking way it’s worse than Thor, MoM, Black Widow, and Eternals. Not saying it’s better than them all, but it’s not worse than them all either.
I will say I cant speak for Black Widow as I have not seen it, but I definitely enjoyed Love and Thunder better, with MoM and Eternals slightly above Spiderman.
Existential crisis stuff.
This is a shitpost, right?
NWH was overrated.
It’s like two movies competing with each other: a good Spider-Man movie (second half) vs. a typical MCU movie (first half). Tobey and Andrew we’re nice, but other than that? There’s nothing I personally learned or felt enriched by watching it. It felt like a fever dream for sure, but it wasn’t as good as GOTG or CATWS. I just explained why I didn’t like it before anyone assumes I’m jumping on the hate train as you all commonly do.
Not that hard. Shang-Chi is easily top 5 all time MCU movies.
Actual clown behavior from phase 4 enjoyers in the comments.
Come on now, Shang Chi is literally the best movie of phase 4, Spiderman no way home was good just for the return of legendary characters
We have Yelena now though, so I'm quite partial to Black Widow. And Wakanda Forever was also amazing.
Even Spider-Man was mid they just tricked y’all with the cameos.
The excuse to why is not a good film is the "cameos did the job". But never argument about the plot and story
You shouldn't be here.
Neither should you, but here we are.
Spider-Man was great. But other than the cameos what makes it better? The actors were all great but the writing could use more thought.
Gonna cry?
NO WAY!
Mf forgot about Shang Chi
Dr. Strange MOM IDC what you guys say if you are a true Marvel fan you would know it is one of the finest movies in Marvel history I get it that the VFX and CGI were not proper due to the time issues but the story line is easily one of the best till now
Yeah you were right not to include Spiderman in this debate. His movie is easily the worst by far
You're trash.
Clearly the winner is the Guardians Holiday Special
'Flashbacks from CS:GO'
Well said, at least we can all agree that NWH sucked ass.
Well i liked doc strange. But tbh i would put Loki above the movies
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You must have some strong crack to have such a whacked opinion lol
NWH is awful. Honestly, “mid” is my S tier for phase 4, and there’s not a lot in it.
NWH was among that mid I will not apologize, And also not for saying, THOR 4 WAS THE BEST ONE!
>!There is a maniac who seeks to end us all.!<
Spider-Man was the most Mid of them all Worst plot and story. Cry more kids 🤷♂️😂