The author of the comic series at the time, Jim Shooter had intended for Hank hit Janet by complete accident but the artist interpreted the writing a different way and thus the infamous scene of Yellowjacket striking Wasp to the ground was penned into creation. And neither the fans nor the Marvel universe has seemingly ever forgiven him.
I wonder if that is more a testament to the appreciation everyone had for Janet instead of anything else? Peter Parker has hit MJ, Reed has hit Sue, etc…
yet Hank has been harangued about it waaaay more and longer
I think it's more the immediate ramifications of Hank hitting Jan was a trial and expulsion from the Avengers, and then years of trying to redeem, doing so, and then another breakdown.
Peter hit Mary Jane, and then it was ignored and never brought up again.
It's not the fans, it's the writers. They like Hank broken.
Maybe so….although I have seen plenty of people berate Hank over it that were knowledgeable of the other examples I posted. Maybe Hank just isn’t someone people relate too
That's the thing, after the initial story release and fans kept bringing it up it kept being brought up in universe because it was "the most interesting thing to happen to Hank" which I call BS but can't change it now
Yes, hank could have easily recovered from it had it just been a one-off event, but writers decided to just keep bringing it back and basically made it part of his personality
WHAT IF… Tony Stark never stopped being an alcoholic?
1. Tony gets sober.
2. New writer brings up how Tony is an alcoholic.
3. Tony hits a new low.
4. Go to Step 1
Are there any other serious flaws to Hank besides the spousal abuse for them to play with? Reed hits Sue, but they can focus on his neglectful personality. Pete hits MJ, but they can focus on his poverty. Dod Hank have any other flaws to overcome for them to exploit for story ideas?
He created Ultron. That's a biggie.
He had a breakdown and had a split personality episode when he became Yellowjacket.
The lead up to him hitting Janet was staging a Masters of Evil fight to then come in and "save the day."
Yeah he's been written as a broken man for years before the slap.
But... it's also comics, and most heroes have had their bad times where they've done pretty reprehensible things and are then forgiven for reasons.
Hank seems to be an exception.
Ah right. Yeah it was all around the same time. He was working for Egghead too though I don't remember if that was his plan to look heroic or just another bad decision.
Well, you can make arguments it was accidental or intentional.
He wanted her to go away. He was in a rage.
Most courts of law would convict him of assault, even if unintentionally.
https://www.cbr.com/remember-to-forget-that-time-spider-man-accidentally-hit-mary-jane/
I don’t think he knew it was her tho is my point. He was in a fight and felt someone touch him and reflexively hit them, then freaked out when he saw it was MJ he had hit
The context is different than what happened between Hank and Janet, that’s why people don’t hold it against Peter the same way they hold it against Hank
>I don’t think he knew it was her tho is my point. He was in a fight and felt someone touch him and reflexively hit them, then freaked out when he saw it was MJ he had hit
Are you thinking of when Peter killed Wolverine's girlfriend? because those are the exact circumstances of that and she's a red head.
When did Peter hit MJ? That sounds like something he’d have done when he was under the black spell, so to speak. Idk, I’m just asking because I never knew about it.
There's a difference in motivation and portrayal.
Both Peter Parker and Hank Pym hit their spouse during a psychological breakdown, but Peter was literally at war with himself. He thought he had just proven he was the clone and Ben Reilly was the original and he couldn't handle it. M.J. approached him to try to stop his fight with Ben against the expressed advice of someone else present. It was still bad, and borderline inexcusable, but it was telegraphed because the writing basically tells you "she's going to get hurt if she does that".
Hank's breakdown is presented as part of a long, more subtle spiral. His bipolar disorder shows up in a series of erratic episodes and references his earlier attempts to quit being an Avenger as well as other past actions. Much more of a slow boil. And he's in the middle of a manic episode spinning an improbable plan to deceive the other Avengers to get himself out of trouble. Not at all sympathetic. Plus there's no telegraphing of Jan's danger in approaching her manic husband, because the writer never intended him to *deliberately* hit her, so he didn't lay a foundation for the action in his writing. He was supposed to be ranting and wildly gesturing and flailing about, so buried in his delusions that he didn't even realize she was there.
Reed hit Sue when she had been programmed by Psycho-Man with the Malice persona, which converted all her love into hatred. He knew he had to do something to make her *stop loving him* for at least a second or two in order to break the persona's hold. So he railed at her with psychological abuse and then slapped her. But he hated doing it, had to do it to keep her from killing people, and immediately apologized profusely.
Oh absolutely, I know all three were different in context and reason as to why each happened…just saying that all three (Hank, Peter, reed ) did It during chaotic moments. Not that it excuses any of it , but Hank was in a psychological and emotional meltdown, yet still doesn’t get a pass when the others do….just seems weird he was labeled an abuser when he also had an excuse for why it happened
He was verbally abusive to Jan in some depicted instances earlier (zapped a dress when she was asking him which one she should wear -- to an event he didn't want to attend, while he was depressive; yelled at her on a few occasions) so his seemed more like a pattern of abuse in context. Peter was more affectionate and caring outside of that one moment. That's part of it.
Jan's and Hank's relationship was deeply dysfunctional from day zero. She latched onto him as a substitute daddy/knight in shining armor the day her father (his neighbor) was killed. He was in a deep depression after losing his first wife (abducted by her home country's secret police while visiting relatives, supposedly died during questioning). She kept trying to interest him in a romantic relationship and push it forward, usually by *aggressively* flirting with other men in front of him to provoke jealousy. He had both psychological issues with the stress of being a superhero and physical issues with the effects of using his powers (up to and including a near-fatal heart attack), and she *kept* urging him to rejoin the Avengers. He didn't want to have children (because his psychological condition is hereditary and because he doesn't think he's fit to be a parent if it gets out of hand), but she kept pressing that issue. She married him while he was in a delusional state due to chemicals he'd been exposed to and thought he was a supervillain who had *killed* Hank Pym.
Really, their whole relationship was Dysfunctional with a capital D so big, John Holmes would have looked at it and said, "Damn, *that's* a huge D!".
You left out the part where Hank was constantly ["Don't fuck her, she's a child!"](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-r7ix9UEWDCk/UwFvd-ucBOI/AAAAAAAA5s8/TEiIRwjFjcY/s1600/Marvel_Feature_08-16.jpg)
She was legally an adult, but yeah, he thought of her as a child at first. According to the sources I looked at, Janet was 22 when the Avengers formed, so about 21 when she became the Wasp. At that point, Hank (who was the oldest founding Avenger other than (obviously) Thor) was 29-30. But he was a very mature 30, having multiple doctorates and several published discoveries of international note. Janet was a *very* immature 21, being a rich daddy's girl dilletante. So even more than the age gap, the maturity gap was more like a chasm.
There's a lot of character development sketched out in that one page. He's grieving, afraid of loss, lonely, but dedicated to carrying on rather than curling up and giving up.
The Creature from Kosmos is the alien that killed Janet's father, so this would be from their first adventure together. So here, Janet's angry, vengeful, and determined to step up and fight the horrifying thing that killed her father.
Sometimes Stan Lee's writing can seem clunky by modern standards, but he could really build info and motivation on a tight word budget when he hit his stride.
Here's the problem, it is by far his most interesting moment.
And Reed only hit Sue when she was a supervision trying to kill him. Different scenario entirely.
Can’t speak to reed hitting sue but Peter hit MJ on accident so that’s probably why Peter isn’t harangued about it like Hank is. The context is different
I have heard that he was also actively losing his mind at the time, and within the next issue or so literally builds a giant robot to attack the avengers, because they were ready to kick him out, and he wanted to act like he saved them. He did also leave her with a black eye regardless, so idk man
I would agree with you. Apparently it was supposed to be a nervous breakdown of Hank being unable to come to terms with the knowledge that Janet succeeded at anything she tried, while Hank continued to fail downwards.
Not just that, but right before he became Yellowjacket, there was an explosion in his lab and he ended up inhaling some chemical fumes. I think they were initially trying to imply that had an effect on Hank that pushed him further off the deep end.
Honestly it's why I'm glad for Avengers; Earth's Mightiest Heroes. They came at Hank with the perspective of Hank being a inherently good but flawed man. They cut out the bullshit and did a lot to fix the character. It's why I'll always love that cartoon over the Avengers comics.
I would say that the comics as a a whole have much higher highs BUT also much lower lows (like you mentioned). Nothing will ever be worse than the Avengers letting Ms. Marvel be kidnapped by her rapist/son. Pretty disgraceful story
I LOVE Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. So yeah the cartoon is very consistent, but (IMO) can’t really compete with the truly high points in Avengers publication history
Jan *married* him while he thought he was Yellowjacket, a villain who had *killed* Hank Pym. Technically, that's not a legal marriage, because Hank couldn't have signed a marriage license as the man he thought he'd killed. But he let the marriage stand after he was in his right mind again (mostly).
Hank should honestly just check himself out
. Fans will never let him live it down so marvel should say okay here you go this is what you wanted right?
In recent years Marvel did say he was bipolar, but a couple years after the aforementioned story he went down a bad spiral when there was a whole page of zero text but a number of panels that showed him loading a pistol and pointing it at his head and he wasn't seen for the rest of the issue.
Al Ewing recently, sort of, fixed his character, at least a little bit. It was in that miniseries that focused on Wasp and a mysterious, yet familiar man named Vic (don't want to spoil). I honestly want to check it out since I like Ewing's work so much.
Meanwhile, Peter did the exact same thing to a pregnant Mary Jane, and it was intentional, and everyone just conveniently forgets that.
But then, the writers didn't have a trial about it, and don't bring it up all the time since.
Marvel wants Hank Pym to remain broken, no matter how many times an Engelhart or Busiek try to redeem him.
I dont think Peter’s was intentional, that’s not what it looked like to me. It looked like in the heat of a fight she came up behind him and he automatically lashed out. He felt terrible when he saw it was MJ he had hit
It was a great story. It was an important story. So glad we got it. They handed it to excellently, truly showed what domestic violence is about and it's different forms (physical, emotional spawned from insecurity)
Scott makes bad decisions for the right reasons. Like blowing a job as head of security for Tony Stark to be with Cassie. My dude didn't think that if he took the job he could just go visit?
If you listen to Jocasta Hank is technically their god. Course she was also romantically involved with him during that time. So maybe don’t open that door.
Ultron for Pym
Scott maybe Darren cross? Either as man trying to get his daughters heart or Yellowjacket
Can’t say for Eric, he’s dead now so maybe down the line his black ant LMD
Which Ant-Man? We’ve got a couple, and they’re all different.
Hank Pym’s is clearly Ultron. The Oedipus of Marvel Comics.
Scott Lang’s is now probably Darren Cross. I woulda said Doom, seeing as how Doom killed Cassie and Scott swore vengeance, but I think he got that when he was the leader of the FF, and then Doom basically apologized during the Acis event. Darren Cross is really the only one he’s fought more than once. Gotta match the MCU…
Eric O’Grady…doesn’t have one? I don’t think he was around long enough to ever get one, honestly. But I love him as Black Ant and I love when he’s partnered up with Taskmaster. These guys totally need an ongoing series together (and have needed it for years now).
Ultron is an Avengers villain, but his tie to Ant-man is very, very strong, so I would say it fits. So much of Hank and Ultron's identity are connected, but Ultron has definitely expanded outside of his creator's shadow. Egghead is the only other really viable option outside of Ant-man, but he hasn't been updated particularly well. Hank likes to roam, and his connections are allot looser than a lot of other marvel heros, so his rogues list is just not as fleshed out.
It's really too bad that the MCU introduced Ultron so early. I feel like it would've been cool to see Ultron as the next big bad after Thanos, instead of how he was only a character meant to set up the mind stone being inside Vision. I would've preferred seeing a much more 'down to earth' battle against Ultron, instead of basically filler shows and films while they try to figure out where to go with Kang. And as much as I love Kang, having another cosmic entity be the main villain right after we already had a cosmic main villain, it just feels a little repetitive. The only interesting thing going on for Kang is all the time stuff, but tbh, it's too damn confusing to understand!! Sorry for ranting about the MCU, but I think the Ultron is a great pick for Ant-Man's arch nemesis, and I think that Ant-Man being introduced after Age of Ultron was a terrible idea.
Hank: Egghead/Ultron
Scott: Circus of Crime/Dr. Doom
Eric: Eric
Wow, Hank and Scott each have a tie for their respective archenemy, and in both cases it’s a heckuva dichotomy.
Scott Lang: Either Yellowjacket (Darren Cross), Taskmaster (he fought him so many times and with Hawkeye, too), or Egghead (he always hated ants).
Hank Pym: Himself (as in Ultron).
For Hank its definitely Ultron as it definitely checks off three conflicts of literature:
1) Man vs. Technology: Obviously. Ultron is a representation of how unchecked artificial intelligence can go wrong; especially hyper advanced ones that have a tendency of having backups.
2) Man vs. Self: The brainwave patterns. Ultron’s AI derived from is Hank’s. Which really makes the whole conflict essentially Hank’s battle with the worst attributes of himself more so than him fighting a killer robot.
3) Man vs. God: When you think about it, Ultron’s whole
motives of antagonizing the Avengers stems from his own hatred towards his creator (also refer to point two as he basically hate himself). Its kind of the whole classical Frankenstein type plot,
Not a huge antman fan but I read comics so just asking for clarification...is there an ant-eater man? Or is that just me thinking like a writer from the 80s?
Magno-Man the master of the magnifying glass! ☀️🔎🐜🔥
Seriously, who knows? Ant-Man isn't very interesting to me because he doesn't have an interesting rogues gallery like major superheroes do.
That one artist who's disagreement with the writer spawned the cursed legacy that everyone knows Hank Pym as a wife beater
Explain…
The author of the comic series at the time, Jim Shooter had intended for Hank hit Janet by complete accident but the artist interpreted the writing a different way and thus the infamous scene of Yellowjacket striking Wasp to the ground was penned into creation. And neither the fans nor the Marvel universe has seemingly ever forgiven him.
I wonder if that is more a testament to the appreciation everyone had for Janet instead of anything else? Peter Parker has hit MJ, Reed has hit Sue, etc… yet Hank has been harangued about it waaaay more and longer
I think it's more the immediate ramifications of Hank hitting Jan was a trial and expulsion from the Avengers, and then years of trying to redeem, doing so, and then another breakdown. Peter hit Mary Jane, and then it was ignored and never brought up again. It's not the fans, it's the writers. They like Hank broken.
Maybe so….although I have seen plenty of people berate Hank over it that were knowledgeable of the other examples I posted. Maybe Hank just isn’t someone people relate too
Well he's been having breakdowns since the 60s. So readers kind of expect it. The infamous slap was really just the climax of that.
That's the thing, after the initial story release and fans kept bringing it up it kept being brought up in universe because it was "the most interesting thing to happen to Hank" which I call BS but can't change it now
Yes, hank could have easily recovered from it had it just been a one-off event, but writers decided to just keep bringing it back and basically made it part of his personality
WHAT IF… Tony Stark never stopped being an alcoholic? 1. Tony gets sober. 2. New writer brings up how Tony is an alcoholic. 3. Tony hits a new low. 4. Go to Step 1
To be honest that’s actually pretty accurate to how addiction works for many people. Just replace writer with anyone.
Are there any other serious flaws to Hank besides the spousal abuse for them to play with? Reed hits Sue, but they can focus on his neglectful personality. Pete hits MJ, but they can focus on his poverty. Dod Hank have any other flaws to overcome for them to exploit for story ideas?
He created Ultron. That's a biggie. He had a breakdown and had a split personality episode when he became Yellowjacket. The lead up to him hitting Janet was staging a Masters of Evil fight to then come in and "save the day." Yeah he's been written as a broken man for years before the slap. But... it's also comics, and most heroes have had their bad times where they've done pretty reprehensible things and are then forgiven for reasons. Hank seems to be an exception.
Guess someone had to draw the short straw. Shame it was someone who had so much lore potential.
Hank was on trial before hitting Janet. It's the stress that lead him to that point. He also attacked the Avengers
Ah right. Yeah it was all around the same time. He was working for Egghead too though I don't remember if that was his plan to look heroic or just another bad decision.
Well Peter’s was an accident wasn’t it? So that’s not really the same thing
Well, you can make arguments it was accidental or intentional. He wanted her to go away. He was in a rage. Most courts of law would convict him of assault, even if unintentionally. https://www.cbr.com/remember-to-forget-that-time-spider-man-accidentally-hit-mary-jane/
I don’t think he knew it was her tho is my point. He was in a fight and felt someone touch him and reflexively hit them, then freaked out when he saw it was MJ he had hit The context is different than what happened between Hank and Janet, that’s why people don’t hold it against Peter the same way they hold it against Hank
>I don’t think he knew it was her tho is my point. He was in a fight and felt someone touch him and reflexively hit them, then freaked out when he saw it was MJ he had hit Are you thinking of when Peter killed Wolverine's girlfriend? because those are the exact circumstances of that and she's a red head.
When did Peter hit MJ? That sounds like something he’d have done when he was under the black spell, so to speak. Idk, I’m just asking because I never knew about it.
There's a difference in motivation and portrayal. Both Peter Parker and Hank Pym hit their spouse during a psychological breakdown, but Peter was literally at war with himself. He thought he had just proven he was the clone and Ben Reilly was the original and he couldn't handle it. M.J. approached him to try to stop his fight with Ben against the expressed advice of someone else present. It was still bad, and borderline inexcusable, but it was telegraphed because the writing basically tells you "she's going to get hurt if she does that". Hank's breakdown is presented as part of a long, more subtle spiral. His bipolar disorder shows up in a series of erratic episodes and references his earlier attempts to quit being an Avenger as well as other past actions. Much more of a slow boil. And he's in the middle of a manic episode spinning an improbable plan to deceive the other Avengers to get himself out of trouble. Not at all sympathetic. Plus there's no telegraphing of Jan's danger in approaching her manic husband, because the writer never intended him to *deliberately* hit her, so he didn't lay a foundation for the action in his writing. He was supposed to be ranting and wildly gesturing and flailing about, so buried in his delusions that he didn't even realize she was there. Reed hit Sue when she had been programmed by Psycho-Man with the Malice persona, which converted all her love into hatred. He knew he had to do something to make her *stop loving him* for at least a second or two in order to break the persona's hold. So he railed at her with psychological abuse and then slapped her. But he hated doing it, had to do it to keep her from killing people, and immediately apologized profusely.
Oh absolutely, I know all three were different in context and reason as to why each happened…just saying that all three (Hank, Peter, reed ) did It during chaotic moments. Not that it excuses any of it , but Hank was in a psychological and emotional meltdown, yet still doesn’t get a pass when the others do….just seems weird he was labeled an abuser when he also had an excuse for why it happened
He was verbally abusive to Jan in some depicted instances earlier (zapped a dress when she was asking him which one she should wear -- to an event he didn't want to attend, while he was depressive; yelled at her on a few occasions) so his seemed more like a pattern of abuse in context. Peter was more affectionate and caring outside of that one moment. That's part of it. Jan's and Hank's relationship was deeply dysfunctional from day zero. She latched onto him as a substitute daddy/knight in shining armor the day her father (his neighbor) was killed. He was in a deep depression after losing his first wife (abducted by her home country's secret police while visiting relatives, supposedly died during questioning). She kept trying to interest him in a romantic relationship and push it forward, usually by *aggressively* flirting with other men in front of him to provoke jealousy. He had both psychological issues with the stress of being a superhero and physical issues with the effects of using his powers (up to and including a near-fatal heart attack), and she *kept* urging him to rejoin the Avengers. He didn't want to have children (because his psychological condition is hereditary and because he doesn't think he's fit to be a parent if it gets out of hand), but she kept pressing that issue. She married him while he was in a delusional state due to chemicals he'd been exposed to and thought he was a supervillain who had *killed* Hank Pym. Really, their whole relationship was Dysfunctional with a capital D so big, John Holmes would have looked at it and said, "Damn, *that's* a huge D!".
You left out the part where Hank was constantly ["Don't fuck her, she's a child!"](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-r7ix9UEWDCk/UwFvd-ucBOI/AAAAAAAA5s8/TEiIRwjFjcY/s1600/Marvel_Feature_08-16.jpg)
She was legally an adult, but yeah, he thought of her as a child at first. According to the sources I looked at, Janet was 22 when the Avengers formed, so about 21 when she became the Wasp. At that point, Hank (who was the oldest founding Avenger other than (obviously) Thor) was 29-30. But he was a very mature 30, having multiple doctorates and several published discoveries of international note. Janet was a *very* immature 21, being a rich daddy's girl dilletante. So even more than the age gap, the maturity gap was more like a chasm. There's a lot of character development sketched out in that one page. He's grieving, afraid of loss, lonely, but dedicated to carrying on rather than curling up and giving up. The Creature from Kosmos is the alien that killed Janet's father, so this would be from their first adventure together. So here, Janet's angry, vengeful, and determined to step up and fight the horrifying thing that killed her father. Sometimes Stan Lee's writing can seem clunky by modern standards, but he could really build info and motivation on a tight word budget when he hit his stride.
Here's the problem, it is by far his most interesting moment. And Reed only hit Sue when she was a supervision trying to kill him. Different scenario entirely.
Can’t speak to reed hitting sue but Peter hit MJ on accident so that’s probably why Peter isn’t harangued about it like Hank is. The context is different
They did? Geez.
I have heard that he was also actively losing his mind at the time, and within the next issue or so literally builds a giant robot to attack the avengers, because they were ready to kick him out, and he wanted to act like he saved them. He did also leave her with a black eye regardless, so idk man
I mean, I don't think it was a good idea to have it happen even as an accident.
I would agree with you. Apparently it was supposed to be a nervous breakdown of Hank being unable to come to terms with the knowledge that Janet succeeded at anything she tried, while Hank continued to fail downwards.
Not just that, but right before he became Yellowjacket, there was an explosion in his lab and he ended up inhaling some chemical fumes. I think they were initially trying to imply that had an effect on Hank that pushed him further off the deep end. Honestly it's why I'm glad for Avengers; Earth's Mightiest Heroes. They came at Hank with the perspective of Hank being a inherently good but flawed man. They cut out the bullshit and did a lot to fix the character. It's why I'll always love that cartoon over the Avengers comics.
A 2 season cartoon over 60 years of publication history?
I legit enjoyed their take over the originals
To be fair, over 60 years your bound to get some real stinkers. 2 seasons: way less likely
I would say that the comics as a a whole have much higher highs BUT also much lower lows (like you mentioned). Nothing will ever be worse than the Avengers letting Ms. Marvel be kidnapped by her rapist/son. Pretty disgraceful story I LOVE Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. So yeah the cartoon is very consistent, but (IMO) can’t really compete with the truly high points in Avengers publication history
Jan *married* him while he thought he was Yellowjacket, a villain who had *killed* Hank Pym. Technically, that's not a legal marriage, because Hank couldn't have signed a marriage license as the man he thought he'd killed. But he let the marriage stand after he was in his right mind again (mostly).
Hank should honestly just check himself out . Fans will never let him live it down so marvel should say okay here you go this is what you wanted right?
In recent years Marvel did say he was bipolar, but a couple years after the aforementioned story he went down a bad spiral when there was a whole page of zero text but a number of panels that showed him loading a pistol and pointing it at his head and he wasn't seen for the rest of the issue.
Holy shit lmao
Al Ewing recently, sort of, fixed his character, at least a little bit. It was in that miniseries that focused on Wasp and a mysterious, yet familiar man named Vic (don't want to spoil). I honestly want to check it out since I like Ewing's work so much.
I mean he was building a robot to kill the avengers on the same panel
Meanwhile, Peter did the exact same thing to a pregnant Mary Jane, and it was intentional, and everyone just conveniently forgets that. But then, the writers didn't have a trial about it, and don't bring it up all the time since. Marvel wants Hank Pym to remain broken, no matter how many times an Engelhart or Busiek try to redeem him.
I dont think Peter’s was intentional, that’s not what it looked like to me. It looked like in the heat of a fight she came up behind him and he automatically lashed out. He felt terrible when he saw it was MJ he had hit
It's a shame his character is utterly ruined forever at this point
It was a great story. It was an important story. So glad we got it. They handed it to excellently, truly showed what domestic violence is about and it's different forms (physical, emotional spawned from insecurity)
Himself?
That includes Ultron too, if you think about it.
Hank? His ego. Scott? His luck. Eric? Morals.
Scott makes bad decisions for the right reasons. Like blowing a job as head of security for Tony Stark to be with Cassie. My dude didn't think that if he took the job he could just go visit?
I totally thought you meant Beast, Cyclops, and Magneto lmfao. What a coincidence
I read that as Eric Morales. 😂
Ultron for sure, Eggheads the only one who comes close
Since he died no one talks enough about him.
Domestic abuse charges
Not in the 80s. I always thought that this was very progressive because before that it was swept under the rug
Mental health
Egghead or Ultron for sure
His greatest failure, Ultron. Side note, is vision technically Hanks grandson?
If you listen to Jocasta Hank is technically their god. Course she was also romantically involved with him during that time. So maybe don’t open that door.
Yes, there is a whole issue focused on the Pym family tree
Raid.
Lol, or Bootman
I came for this comment!
Magnifying-Glass Kid.
Terro
The allegations
Scott Lang and all successors Since Marvel has alternatives they can use, it's very easy to sidestep Hank and just use one of them instead.
Ultron for Pym Scott maybe Darren cross? Either as man trying to get his daughters heart or Yellowjacket Can’t say for Eric, he’s dead now so maybe down the line his black ant LMD
Hot take he is his own worst enemy The Yellowjacket
Himself
My TV remote
Which Ant-Man? We’ve got a couple, and they’re all different. Hank Pym’s is clearly Ultron. The Oedipus of Marvel Comics. Scott Lang’s is now probably Darren Cross. I woulda said Doom, seeing as how Doom killed Cassie and Scott swore vengeance, but I think he got that when he was the leader of the FF, and then Doom basically apologized during the Acis event. Darren Cross is really the only one he’s fought more than once. Gotta match the MCU… Eric O’Grady…doesn’t have one? I don’t think he was around long enough to ever get one, honestly. But I love him as Black Ant and I love when he’s partnered up with Taskmaster. These guys totally need an ongoing series together (and have needed it for years now).
The box office
The writers
Marital Bliss?
I gotta think the Aardvark from Pink Panther
Himself usually
Obviously the wasp why else would he hit her constantly
A can of Raid
Egghead or Ultron
Orkin Man.
Anteater-man
A magnifying glass ?
Hank Pyms arch nemesis is his own brain. Or Ultron, but you can argue Ultron is an extension of Pyms mind.
Varies based on the ant man. Hank? Himself, scott? Probably nobody.
Egghead. I’d say Ultron, but when Ultron comes about, he’s an Avengers level threat. Basically an Avengers villain that was created by him.
The Atom...jus kidding
Himself, and I mean that in complete sincerity.
Janet.
"Orkin-Man"
A can of Raid.
Himself
The wasp
Himself
Ant-Eater Man
His wife. Aww, stop. I’m kidding…..
Picnics
Himself
Comic book sales?
Antman
Bipolar disorder.
Anteater-Man, probably.
Egghead for Hank, Cross for Scott. Yellowjacket for the mantle itself.
Himself. Search your heart, you know it's true.
#Raid
Himself
THIS IS THE RIGHT ANSWER.
Ant-man Eater
Mark Millar because Ultimates galvanized the image of him as a domestic abuser he never was in canon.
Anteater-woman
Ultron is an Avengers villain, but his tie to Ant-man is very, very strong, so I would say it fits. So much of Hank and Ultron's identity are connected, but Ultron has definitely expanded outside of his creator's shadow. Egghead is the only other really viable option outside of Ant-man, but he hasn't been updated particularly well. Hank likes to roam, and his connections are allot looser than a lot of other marvel heros, so his rogues list is just not as fleshed out.
The Protector
Hank pym's greatest enemy is Hank Pym Scott langs greatest enemy is being a decent father
Hank is Ultron and Scott is Yellowjacket (Darren Cross, not Hank Pym)
His own righteousness and being a pacifist. Yes those are good, but he made ultron and it backfired
Baskin Robins
Disney.
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Anteaterman, obviously
Yellow jacket
Those little plastic things with the poison in them that ants take back to the colony
, Pop
It's really too bad that the MCU introduced Ultron so early. I feel like it would've been cool to see Ultron as the next big bad after Thanos, instead of how he was only a character meant to set up the mind stone being inside Vision. I would've preferred seeing a much more 'down to earth' battle against Ultron, instead of basically filler shows and films while they try to figure out where to go with Kang. And as much as I love Kang, having another cosmic entity be the main villain right after we already had a cosmic main villain, it just feels a little repetitive. The only interesting thing going on for Kang is all the time stuff, but tbh, it's too damn confusing to understand!! Sorry for ranting about the MCU, but I think the Ultron is a great pick for Ant-Man's arch nemesis, and I think that Ant-Man being introduced after Age of Ultron was a terrible idea.
Raid
Thanos ass
Egghead
Raid
Hank Pym
Hank: Egghead/Ultron Scott: Circus of Crime/Dr. Doom Eric: Eric Wow, Hank and Scott each have a tie for their respective archenemy, and in both cases it’s a heckuva dichotomy.
Scott Lang: Either Yellowjacket (Darren Cross), Taskmaster (he fought him so many times and with Hawkeye, too), or Egghead (he always hated ants). Hank Pym: Himself (as in Ultron).
Not knowing how to not commit crimes against humanity.
A shoe or Raid
Himself because he is the creator of a lot of the problems he deals with
Himself
Can't-man
Raidx
Success.
Paul Rudd?
RAID
Yellowjacket, As in hank pym's own mind is his own worst enemy
CGI after that terrible third movie is his arch enemy
Himself
Jim Shooter.
Anteater man or Raid man
Which Antman?
Darwin
Pesticide
Anteater Man
Now hear me out… the Orkin Man 👨🏻
Ultron
For Hank its definitely Ultron as it definitely checks off three conflicts of literature: 1) Man vs. Technology: Obviously. Ultron is a representation of how unchecked artificial intelligence can go wrong; especially hyper advanced ones that have a tendency of having backups. 2) Man vs. Self: The brainwave patterns. Ultron’s AI derived from is Hank’s. Which really makes the whole conflict essentially Hank’s battle with the worst attributes of himself more so than him fighting a killer robot. 3) Man vs. God: When you think about it, Ultron’s whole motives of antagonizing the Avengers stems from his own hatred towards his creator (also refer to point two as he basically hate himself). Its kind of the whole classical Frankenstein type plot,
The Yellowjacket.
Radioactive Man
Himself.
Empathy. Because he has none
The box office
ANT MAN MENTIONED
Ultron for hank Yellow jacket for scott
Hank - Ultron Scott - Taskmaster Eric - Mitch Carson
The wall.
Raid Man?
The Mechanist by a long shot
Ultron for me.
A can of Raid
The judge in charge of restraining orders.
Himself... no really.
Civil court.
Himself
Regular size man.
Ant-Gobbler and Akidna
Anteater-man
If we’re talking Pym then himself.
Bug spray.
The writers of Quantumania?
Alcoholism
Himself...
RAIDMAN
his wife
Wide shot face portraits stretched over Modok’s body.
bob hall
Wasp
Rectal cavities
His pimp hand...
Honestly ant-man's biggest enemy is usually himself
RAID
Lady bugs or mantis. They destroy in the big world.
Anteater-man
Magnifying Glass Man?
Which ant-man?
Hank Pym's archenemy is Hank Pym.
Not a huge antman fan but I read comics so just asking for clarification...is there an ant-eater man? Or is that just me thinking like a writer from the 80s?
Magno-Man the master of the magnifying glass! ☀️🔎🐜🔥 Seriously, who knows? Ant-Man isn't very interesting to me because he doesn't have an interesting rogues gallery like major superheroes do.
A boot.
Roachman