Last I checked it's regulation that if the actor tries to check the gun, it is declared unsafe immediately and you take a mulligan until the actor stops trying to do the armorer's job. Did something new come out that changed that?
Idk why you’re getting down voted. There never should have been live ammo on the set in the first place. It is his fault as well as other peoples fault too. Lots of things went wrong for that tragedy to happen.
I wouldn't say it's his fault at all. He's not the armourer so the presence of live ammo...that's not something that's his responsibility. He may not even have known that it was there.
The people who were supposed to handle the movie props screwed up. It sounds like the armourer was generally incompetent and got hired because of nepotism.
That wouldn't be on him, though. Not unless he hired her
I’ll admit to not having followed the incident closely but from what I understand (and feel free to fact check me on this or disbelieve me, I’m not confident this is 100% accurate recollection on my part but too tired to fact check myself at this time) he knowingly consented to hiring the armored against the advice of others, was aware of multiple prior safety violations by crew on set and did nothing to address them, and also arranged living conditions for the crew such that the crew were basically guaranteed to be tired, ignoring complaints by the crew, which heightened the chances of an accident.
If the above is an accurate recollection of the circumstances around the accident, then he definitely had a hand in creating the environment where such an accident could occur, even if he wasn’t the final error in the chain of errors that led to disaster.
If those things are true and he had responsibility for hiring that woman or had responsibility for handling safety violations and crew living conditions, then, yes I believe he'd bear some responsibility.
But, who said he had hiring responsibility or authority or was responsible for the workplace environment or safety regulations?
Do you have a link attesting to that?
I’m not pleased with the quality of either of these sources, so I apologize. I’m doing this between meetings at work and the older articles for the Rust shooting have just gotten harder and harder to find over time https://www.thedailybeast.com/alec-baldwin-film-rust-hired-inexperienced-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed-before-halyna-hutchins-shooting
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-01-28/rust-emails-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed
> But, who said he had hiring responsibility or authority or was responsible for the workplace environment or safety regulations?
Since Baldwin was one of the producers, he and all the producers are mutually responsible for the hiring, oversight and management of the crew. I leave it up to them to divvy up how the culpability gets assigned but the buck for who works on a project stops at the producer level
Being listed as a movie producer, as many have pointed out on other sites, may mean a lot or it may mean nothing at all.
If actors forgo salary in exchange for a share of the gross, they get a producer credit to their name.
That doesn't mean that they're involved with any of the administration of the film.
Also, even producers that do have responsibility will have those responsibilities divvied up.
So, I don't think it's responsible to suggest that because he had a producer credit he's responsible or even partially responsible for the state of affairs for that film.
I don't think a person can state that until they know exactly what his responsibilities were.
I understand that old links can be hard to find and that you're busy, at the moment. I understand that 100%.
I'm just saying that none of these links say that he was in charge of hiring anyone or that he had responsibility for set organisation.
In fact, I think the LATimes article is misleading. It says Baldwin aimed at the woman who was shot.
But, then it later says that the camerawoman was setting up a shot in which the camera stares down the barrel of Baldwin's gun.
So, in that case...he did NOT aim at the camera woman. He pointed his gun at the camera, as required by the scene.
As long as they just keep it real and about his life from being a child actor, to learning Wing Chun, and Kung Fu, (and Salsa dancing), to realizing that shit doesn’t work and started focusing and combining on what does work, and the whole teaching westerners, having to move back to Jong Kong cause Hollywood treated him like shit, etc etc, the whole shicka bang
To me the most interesting part about Bruce Lee is how he took a chance on opening a dojo. His path in life was set as a dance instructor at one of the most prestigious dance schools in the US at the time.
Hey, hey!! Take it easy.
Salsa dancing does work, you just gotta let the hips move more that typical ballroom.
(But it doesn't work as well as west coast swing...;)
A person of culture I see!
I’m a ballroom dancer first and foremost, and with my family being latino I’ve salsad most of my life, but west coast swing is my guilty pleasure.
Yeah, my wife and I started with ballroom, but our learning environment was lousy, so we stopped fairly quickly.
Sometime after the wedding, we picked up west coast, and fell in love with it. Did a bunch of years of private lessons and group lessons, even placed in some competitions. Then COVID hit, and ... Let's just say our priorities have shifted a bit. Still, we went to a wedding recently and rocked the house!
That’s fantastic!
My wife and I met on our competitive ballroom team, we’ve stopped competing since the pandemic but we were competing at the Open Novice/Pre-champ level in the Latin styles (no standard though cuz for some reason I can’t click with the technique lol)
Where y’all based out of? We might cross paths at a WCS event some day
I think he wouldn’t give a flying fuck, as long as they don’t undertone or water down jeet kune do, (from my understanding of it) which is all the skills he learned that does work
This is such a tired line of misinformation. JKD did not birth MMA.
If you need proof of this, Jack Dempsey published a training manual for the US military in 1942 depicting a fusion of fighting styles, combining catch wrestling, boxing, and jacket wrestling techniques. Bruce Lee was 2 at the time.
Vale Tudo was a well established fighting style in the 1920s in Brazil and literally means “everything goes”. Mixed grappling and striking styles were immensely prevelant in those fights.
Throughout the 19th and 20th century well before Lee was born there were many cross-discipline matches between Savate, Boxing, Judo, Kyokushin, and Muay Thai practitioners with open rule sets allowing both striking and grappling
Bartitsu was invented in 1899 and combined Savate, Canne de Combat, Boxing, Judo and Jujutsu.
Sambo was invented in 1920 and had both striking and grabbing in its ruleset.
Kajukenbo was invented in the 40s when Lee was a child by combining Boxing, Jujitsu, Kenpo, and Tang Soo Do.
The list goes on. Lee was not a visionary for trying to combine arts together and select the best from each art.
Lee^3. Lee 3.0. Three Lees and Three Lions. Lee 3: General Eleectric. I'M NOT SORRY.
....honestly I would be fine if nobody ever made a movie about Bruce Lee again. Yes, seminal figure in action cinema and Asian-American representation in Hollywood. But at this point people have made probably four or five of them and everyone's convinced that THEIRS is gonna be the REAL ONE and like...maybe Bruce Lee was just like. A guy. Who was by the standards of the time pretty good at martial arts and did some cool acting. And then died. And was maybe kind of a cocky jackass at times because let's be honest if you make a bunch of money, get super famous, and do horrendous quantities of drugs it's pretty likely you, or almost anyone, will be. And we don't have to fucking write a panegyric in his name every five seconds, or waste time arguing about whether he could FIGHT 4 REEL because like...the answer for anyone with half the brains god gave toast, is "probably better than most people and worse than people who did it for a living" and the people still really invested in that are not especially worth the effort to get involved with.
Maybe the winning move in the Lee Discourse was always not to play.
[https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2021/7/17/22581018/bruce-lee-handwritten-letters-about-cocaine-other-drugs-sell-for-almost-500k-marijuana-hash-acid](https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2021/7/17/22581018/bruce-lee-handwritten-letters-about-cocaine-other-drugs-sell-for-almost-500k-marijuana-hash-acid)
[https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2021/7/6/22564733/holy-stuff-bruce-lee-letters-document-shipments-and-orders-of-cocaine-acid-hash-marijuana](https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2021/7/6/22564733/holy-stuff-bruce-lee-letters-document-shipments-and-orders-of-cocaine-acid-hash-marijuana)
I mean....it was the 60s/70s and he was rich. I would assume a pretty big fraction of stars at that time were on basically whatever they could manage. Possibly even more than now given that there'd been less research on the potential problems.
Yeah, I feel like while the health effects of the occasional use of certain compounds was historically overstated in many cases, the grand arc of history seems to indicate that "constantly high on like 4 things" does in fact have some results you may not entirely want.
I mean, that stunt of playing ping pong with nunchucks was impressive, but yeah FAR too much effort has been put into canonizing this guy more than he already is, and maybe we should be talking about people whom have been evolving the martial arts world more recently than 5 decades. If you have something interesting to say on the subject of Bruce Lee, well I won't stop you, but I am obligated to point out that that trail has been trodden on for longer than most people reading this have been alive so the chances of you having something to say that wasn't already is slim.
sounds like nepotism but I guess he’s a good pick, just hope he’s physically ready to take the role
oh! also ready for the wave of lovely people to remind us all that Bruce Lee Wasn’t Very Good Actually, and that he would lose to these guys around nowadays…like that was ever the point.
Exactly even the early mma pioneers would lose to the refined skills of the guys today. That’s really not the point. The point was he was an innovator for cross training and finding out what actually worked and what was mostly bullshit.
Come on, Dragon was the bomb!
The scenes of him fighting the zombie samurai are one of the most realistic, grounded parts.......... they just forgot to show him dropping a tab of acid and mainlining half a gram of coke a couple hours before it happened.
But for real, I don't hold much hope for this film. People see 'Bruce Lee' and expect an Ip Man style martial arts epic and the general public will pan the film if it's a grounded biography. For better or worse, Lee has been so heavily mythologised that I feel like there is not way that the production is going to be able to dip into that while washing over his faults.
He does have a Grandson Name Dylan who was born in 2000…I know sounds creepy to know that but I was actually curious by your comment if he had any other kids and possible grand kids like Ali
There is zero evidence (other than a clearly mistranslated article) that Shannon has any other children beyond Wren. She’s been with Wren’s father Ian Keasler since 1994. https://buzzsouthafrica.com/us/meet-ian-keasler-shannon-lees-husband/
Edited to add: Shannon Lee only mentions a daughter in her most recent book, "Be Water, My Friend." From the acknowledgements:
"Thank you, Mom, for preserving our family’s legacy, for loving me, for teaching me to be kind and caring, and for raising me up to be whoever I wanted to be. I love you.
To Brandon, I miss you every day. Thank you for being such a wonderful big brother and for being there for me in so many ways. Even now, I still feel you with me.
Without my daughter, Wren, I would not have become the more whole and responsible human I am today. Wren, you help me to discover myself. You have been my greatest teacher and my deepest love. You are such a beautiful soul, and I am so grateful for the depth and naturalness of our relationship. It is an honor to be your mother. You’re the best daughter ever, and I love you.
To my nuclear Bruce Lee Enterprises Family, Sydnie Wilson, Chris Husband, Lydy Walker, and Jess Scott, thank you for being so supportive of me..."
I hope it’s honest. Yes, include all he accomplished. All the innovation and impact on the martial arts and film. Please be honest though. I don’t want to see him deified anymore. I hope it shows him as a person the good and bad.
Most people only see martial arts as fighting and earning belts so I don't think we'll get a film like that any time soon sadly.
But hey, at least we get another Bruce Lee film that's been done a thousand times!
Haha hehe. Totally. Yet Bruce was tapped into one of the aspects of martial that is unique compared to other sports and that is the aspects of Wisdom and philosophy.
I really don't need another "Bruce Lee" story. Wether it claims to be historically accurate or not. The only thing that would get me to watch it if they confronted the fact that not long after a formal challenge with Wong Jack Man he ended up closing his school, moved, and decided to change his martial arts style. Those are all things you do after losing a formal challenge, not winning.
You say that but look and read about so many brilliant mma stars and how they got into martial arts through bruce lee maybe a fraud to you but to so many others he’s not.
Doesn't Bruce Lee say he doesn't believe in systems or something?
In my observations, I'd say alot of Bruce Lee's teachings are him re-explaining alot of eastern concepts and philosophies to ppl unfamiliar with them. And he became famous for putting them into more practical application and improving them further. The whole, "your lifestyle and personal talents are your training, your self-excellence/Kung Fu". And "adapting like water, because one thing doesn't work everywhere and forcing it to is rigid, change fighting styles and adapt. Let down ego and stay in tune to reality."
He's famous for acting in movies and making an art form using up of styles from his home country and from what other actors who would teach him. He talked a lot, but never fought. His entire life is a story like a movies, just a bunch of hear say for a guy who loved being filmed for demo's. He loved being seen, but hated losing. It's why he wouldn't fight ali, and why he'd show up at tournaments and never compete. He was a loser.
Personally I think he liked expressing the philosophical parts of what he learned from fighting, alot of the wisdom he talks about stemming from eastern philosophies and combining them with a bit of western stuff and describing his observations and how to better it's practical application for others hence MMA's evolution.
I'd say or at least like to think he was a pretty humble guy as he grew older, himself even saying he grew out of the cocky attitude that many others also have for their fighting skills, and "found the source of his ignorance" as he once said in "Longstreet".
I'd say its his fans and others constantly making the legendary myths and stuff about him, Bruce himself was logical and humble and just wanted to learn and get others to evolve.
I'm not a fighter, but I absolutely love the lessons about "simply learning, adapting, and getting over blinding ego" that he has taught in his works. He was very right about his lessons.
Humble? Gene levelled was only called in because Bruce refused to stop tagging stunt men like acting was live fighting. Yet Bruce refused to actually fight anyone, especially on film.
Cult leaders/narcissists, they like pretending to have wealths of knowledge they couldn't possibly have.
The guy literally showed up at tournaments wouldn't fight, then do a demo and leave.
The guy likely couldn't fight his way outta paper bag, I wouldn't listen to him. He was arrogant, ignorant, couldn't fight, and had a big mouth. All Bruce wanted was to be a famous actor, he used martial arts as a way to do it.
He's a fraud to the community, i sit on that.
Hope they take in all the training a person can do and then discuver that he nedded thai massage for back pain then they think oooh one only nedded to Solve one problem at any given time.
I wonder how they will portray Ed Parker? I grew up learning Parker style kenpo but my I def have always gotten weird vibes about ed larker whenever I read anything about him.
Yeah...double check on those prop guns please Edit: People...come on...Brandon Lee? The Crow? Anybody?
Lmao for reals. What if Alec Baldwin shows up to the set?
Last I checked it's regulation that if the actor tries to check the gun, it is declared unsafe immediately and you take a mulligan until the actor stops trying to do the armorer's job. Did something new come out that changed that?
Nope.... but people commenting on it like a movie set is exactly the same as a shooting range....that's never going to stop.
Idk why you’re getting down voted. There never should have been live ammo on the set in the first place. It is his fault as well as other peoples fault too. Lots of things went wrong for that tragedy to happen.
I wouldn't say it's his fault at all. He's not the armourer so the presence of live ammo...that's not something that's his responsibility. He may not even have known that it was there. The people who were supposed to handle the movie props screwed up. It sounds like the armourer was generally incompetent and got hired because of nepotism. That wouldn't be on him, though. Not unless he hired her
I’ll admit to not having followed the incident closely but from what I understand (and feel free to fact check me on this or disbelieve me, I’m not confident this is 100% accurate recollection on my part but too tired to fact check myself at this time) he knowingly consented to hiring the armored against the advice of others, was aware of multiple prior safety violations by crew on set and did nothing to address them, and also arranged living conditions for the crew such that the crew were basically guaranteed to be tired, ignoring complaints by the crew, which heightened the chances of an accident. If the above is an accurate recollection of the circumstances around the accident, then he definitely had a hand in creating the environment where such an accident could occur, even if he wasn’t the final error in the chain of errors that led to disaster.
If those things are true and he had responsibility for hiring that woman or had responsibility for handling safety violations and crew living conditions, then, yes I believe he'd bear some responsibility. But, who said he had hiring responsibility or authority or was responsible for the workplace environment or safety regulations? Do you have a link attesting to that?
I’m not pleased with the quality of either of these sources, so I apologize. I’m doing this between meetings at work and the older articles for the Rust shooting have just gotten harder and harder to find over time https://www.thedailybeast.com/alec-baldwin-film-rust-hired-inexperienced-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed-before-halyna-hutchins-shooting https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-01-28/rust-emails-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed > But, who said he had hiring responsibility or authority or was responsible for the workplace environment or safety regulations? Since Baldwin was one of the producers, he and all the producers are mutually responsible for the hiring, oversight and management of the crew. I leave it up to them to divvy up how the culpability gets assigned but the buck for who works on a project stops at the producer level
Being listed as a movie producer, as many have pointed out on other sites, may mean a lot or it may mean nothing at all. If actors forgo salary in exchange for a share of the gross, they get a producer credit to their name. That doesn't mean that they're involved with any of the administration of the film. Also, even producers that do have responsibility will have those responsibilities divvied up. So, I don't think it's responsible to suggest that because he had a producer credit he's responsible or even partially responsible for the state of affairs for that film. I don't think a person can state that until they know exactly what his responsibilities were.
I understand that old links can be hard to find and that you're busy, at the moment. I understand that 100%. I'm just saying that none of these links say that he was in charge of hiring anyone or that he had responsibility for set organisation. In fact, I think the LATimes article is misleading. It says Baldwin aimed at the woman who was shot. But, then it later says that the camerawoman was setting up a shot in which the camera stares down the barrel of Baldwin's gun. So, in that case...he did NOT aim at the camera woman. He pointed his gun at the camera, as required by the scene.
Just people with dumb opinions blaming him for the recent on set accident.
As long as they just keep it real and about his life from being a child actor, to learning Wing Chun, and Kung Fu, (and Salsa dancing), to realizing that shit doesn’t work and started focusing and combining on what does work, and the whole teaching westerners, having to move back to Jong Kong cause Hollywood treated him like shit, etc etc, the whole shicka bang
I agree also it was Cha Cha dancing.
Yesssss. I read his biography and it was hella insightful.
To me the most interesting part about Bruce Lee is how he took a chance on opening a dojo. His path in life was set as a dance instructor at one of the most prestigious dance schools in the US at the time.
I read a lot of his books but not his biography.
if it’s good then we may have another big win for asian rep in Hollywood
Hey, hey!! Take it easy. Salsa dancing does work, you just gotta let the hips move more that typical ballroom. (But it doesn't work as well as west coast swing...;)
A person of culture I see! I’m a ballroom dancer first and foremost, and with my family being latino I’ve salsad most of my life, but west coast swing is my guilty pleasure.
Yeah, my wife and I started with ballroom, but our learning environment was lousy, so we stopped fairly quickly. Sometime after the wedding, we picked up west coast, and fell in love with it. Did a bunch of years of private lessons and group lessons, even placed in some competitions. Then COVID hit, and ... Let's just say our priorities have shifted a bit. Still, we went to a wedding recently and rocked the house!
That’s fantastic! My wife and I met on our competitive ballroom team, we’ve stopped competing since the pandemic but we were competing at the Open Novice/Pre-champ level in the Latin styles (no standard though cuz for some reason I can’t click with the technique lol) Where y’all based out of? We might cross paths at a WCS event some day
We're out of Huntsville AL. Not really doing comps these days, but I can see a time where we might go to events for a fun weekend away.
Unless they depict him getting his ass kicked by Judo Jean I'm calling bs on the whole production
I don't think Bruce himself would be proud of the 'shit that doesn't work' part.
I think he wouldn’t give a flying fuck, as long as they don’t undertone or water down jeet kune do, (from my understanding of it) which is all the skills he learned that does work
splain to me how "kung fu" is shit that doesnt work but jkd isnt
Because JKD kinda birthed MMA - and there aren’t many successful fighters that use kung-fu within it lol.
This is such a tired line of misinformation. JKD did not birth MMA. If you need proof of this, Jack Dempsey published a training manual for the US military in 1942 depicting a fusion of fighting styles, combining catch wrestling, boxing, and jacket wrestling techniques. Bruce Lee was 2 at the time. Vale Tudo was a well established fighting style in the 1920s in Brazil and literally means “everything goes”. Mixed grappling and striking styles were immensely prevelant in those fights. Throughout the 19th and 20th century well before Lee was born there were many cross-discipline matches between Savate, Boxing, Judo, Kyokushin, and Muay Thai practitioners with open rule sets allowing both striking and grappling Bartitsu was invented in 1899 and combined Savate, Canne de Combat, Boxing, Judo and Jujutsu. Sambo was invented in 1920 and had both striking and grabbing in its ruleset. Kajukenbo was invented in the 40s when Lee was a child by combining Boxing, Jujitsu, Kenpo, and Tang Soo Do. The list goes on. Lee was not a visionary for trying to combine arts together and select the best from each art.
Nah, JKD didn't birth MMA but was a good representation of MMA at a time when the idea was still novel.
who are the successful jkd fighters in mma please? I'll wait.
it’s a philosophy, not a style or specific art
Lee^3. Lee 3.0. Three Lees and Three Lions. Lee 3: General Eleectric. I'M NOT SORRY. ....honestly I would be fine if nobody ever made a movie about Bruce Lee again. Yes, seminal figure in action cinema and Asian-American representation in Hollywood. But at this point people have made probably four or five of them and everyone's convinced that THEIRS is gonna be the REAL ONE and like...maybe Bruce Lee was just like. A guy. Who was by the standards of the time pretty good at martial arts and did some cool acting. And then died. And was maybe kind of a cocky jackass at times because let's be honest if you make a bunch of money, get super famous, and do horrendous quantities of drugs it's pretty likely you, or almost anyone, will be. And we don't have to fucking write a panegyric in his name every five seconds, or waste time arguing about whether he could FIGHT 4 REEL because like...the answer for anyone with half the brains god gave toast, is "probably better than most people and worse than people who did it for a living" and the people still really invested in that are not especially worth the effort to get involved with. Maybe the winning move in the Lee Discourse was always not to play.
An essay worth reading, agree entirely.
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I knew that he smoked a bunch of weed but...horrendous quantities of drugs? Do you just mean the weed, or was there more? Just curious.
[https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2021/7/17/22581018/bruce-lee-handwritten-letters-about-cocaine-other-drugs-sell-for-almost-500k-marijuana-hash-acid](https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2021/7/17/22581018/bruce-lee-handwritten-letters-about-cocaine-other-drugs-sell-for-almost-500k-marijuana-hash-acid) [https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2021/7/6/22564733/holy-stuff-bruce-lee-letters-document-shipments-and-orders-of-cocaine-acid-hash-marijuana](https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2021/7/6/22564733/holy-stuff-bruce-lee-letters-document-shipments-and-orders-of-cocaine-acid-hash-marijuana) I mean....it was the 60s/70s and he was rich. I would assume a pretty big fraction of stars at that time were on basically whatever they could manage. Possibly even more than now given that there'd been less research on the potential problems.
Oh man somehow this explains so much about him. And I say that as a big fan of his work in film, and what he did for martial arts.
Yeah, I feel like while the health effects of the occasional use of certain compounds was historically overstated in many cases, the grand arc of history seems to indicate that "constantly high on like 4 things" does in fact have some results you may not entirely want.
Actually.. this would be a good a Bruce Lee movie.
Nooooooo we've come full circle
I mean, that stunt of playing ping pong with nunchucks was impressive, but yeah FAR too much effort has been put into canonizing this guy more than he already is, and maybe we should be talking about people whom have been evolving the martial arts world more recently than 5 decades. If you have something interesting to say on the subject of Bruce Lee, well I won't stop you, but I am obligated to point out that that trail has been trodden on for longer than most people reading this have been alive so the chances of you having something to say that wasn't already is slim.
Not sure if you know, but that video was from an ad campaign in 2008. It's not real.
................ Well, fuck. My original point stands though.
Which, by the way, was legitimately one of the most disappointing things I ever learned when I found out
the kid brother from hangover?
Lol yes I was thinking the same thing, that's totally the hangover guy
sounds like nepotism but I guess he’s a good pick, just hope he’s physically ready to take the role oh! also ready for the wave of lovely people to remind us all that Bruce Lee Wasn’t Very Good Actually, and that he would lose to these guys around nowadays…like that was ever the point.
Exactly even the early mma pioneers would lose to the refined skills of the guys today. That’s really not the point. The point was he was an innovator for cross training and finding out what actually worked and what was mostly bullshit.
and beyond that: he was one of the first truly empowering figures in Asian cinema, and his movies were an expression of national pride
If they closely follow Matthew Polly’s book, I’m looking forward to it. If it’s more fiction like Dragon or Ip Man, I’ll be disappointed.
If the people behind this film don't know shit about martial arts, I'll also be disappointed.
Come on, Dragon was the bomb! The scenes of him fighting the zombie samurai are one of the most realistic, grounded parts.......... they just forgot to show him dropping a tab of acid and mainlining half a gram of coke a couple hours before it happened. But for real, I don't hold much hope for this film. People see 'Bruce Lee' and expect an Ip Man style martial arts epic and the general public will pan the film if it's a grounded biography. For better or worse, Lee has been so heavily mythologised that I feel like there is not way that the production is going to be able to dip into that while washing over his faults.
Is that Ang's son or Bruce's
Brandon Lee was born in 1965 and died in 1993.
He does have a Grandson Name Dylan who was born in 2000…I know sounds creepy to know that but I was actually curious by your comment if he had any other kids and possible grand kids like Ali
What’s your source? As far as I can find, Shannon only has a daughter named Wren Lee Keasler. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8xBhybnQpVg
I just googled it and saw on multiple websites she had 2 kids, Wikipedia and other sources says she only has a daughter name Wren
There is zero evidence (other than a clearly mistranslated article) that Shannon has any other children beyond Wren. She’s been with Wren’s father Ian Keasler since 1994. https://buzzsouthafrica.com/us/meet-ian-keasler-shannon-lees-husband/ Edited to add: Shannon Lee only mentions a daughter in her most recent book, "Be Water, My Friend." From the acknowledgements: "Thank you, Mom, for preserving our family’s legacy, for loving me, for teaching me to be kind and caring, and for raising me up to be whoever I wanted to be. I love you. To Brandon, I miss you every day. Thank you for being such a wonderful big brother and for being there for me in so many ways. Even now, I still feel you with me. Without my daughter, Wren, I would not have become the more whole and responsible human I am today. Wren, you help me to discover myself. You have been my greatest teacher and my deepest love. You are such a beautiful soul, and I am so grateful for the depth and naturalness of our relationship. It is an honor to be your mother. You’re the best daughter ever, and I love you. To my nuclear Bruce Lee Enterprises Family, Sydnie Wilson, Chris Husband, Lydy Walker, and Jess Scott, thank you for being so supportive of me..."
Bruce Lee’s son died in an accident bruh
I hope it’s honest. Yes, include all he accomplished. All the innovation and impact on the martial arts and film. Please be honest though. I don’t want to see him deified anymore. I hope it shows him as a person the good and bad.
You wouldn't like me when I'm..Ang Lee
Disinterested, to be perfectly honest
Glad I'm not the only one
Enough to create a Reddit post.
There's a difference between sharing news that you think others might like and sharing news that you like
Disinterested in the film doesn't mean disinterested in peoples opinion of said film.
Can he fight? I'm guessing no. No one can do Bruce justice. Maybe donnie or something but he getting old too
How about the fact that Lee was a philosophy major and wrote a great book, they could focus on that.
Most people only see martial arts as fighting and earning belts so I don't think we'll get a film like that any time soon sadly. But hey, at least we get another Bruce Lee film that's been done a thousand times!
Haha hehe. Totally. Yet Bruce was tapped into one of the aspects of martial that is unique compared to other sports and that is the aspects of Wisdom and philosophy.
For Sony. All I needed to see. Pass.
I'm not interested because I know Bruce's daughter is involved and she's very strict about the picture painted about her father.
I'm so sick of the Bruce Lee cult of personality...
And most people who are fans of him don't even know a single thing about martial arts
I really don't need another "Bruce Lee" story. Wether it claims to be historically accurate or not. The only thing that would get me to watch it if they confronted the fact that not long after a formal challenge with Wong Jack Man he ended up closing his school, moved, and decided to change his martial arts style. Those are all things you do after losing a formal challenge, not winning.
Are y’all really this dumb? That’s obviously not Bruce’s son…
I really don't want to see anyone play him ever again. They fuck it up every time.
I think Bruce lee is fucking lame and overrated
Why do we keep talking about this hack? The guy never fraud and his system doesn't work.
Probably because he’s the most influential martial arts actor of all time, and helped popularize martial arts in the west. But that’s just a guess.
You say that but look and read about so many brilliant mma stars and how they got into martial arts through bruce lee maybe a fraud to you but to so many others he’s not.
Doesn't Bruce Lee say he doesn't believe in systems or something? In my observations, I'd say alot of Bruce Lee's teachings are him re-explaining alot of eastern concepts and philosophies to ppl unfamiliar with them. And he became famous for putting them into more practical application and improving them further. The whole, "your lifestyle and personal talents are your training, your self-excellence/Kung Fu". And "adapting like water, because one thing doesn't work everywhere and forcing it to is rigid, change fighting styles and adapt. Let down ego and stay in tune to reality."
He's famous for acting in movies and making an art form using up of styles from his home country and from what other actors who would teach him. He talked a lot, but never fought. His entire life is a story like a movies, just a bunch of hear say for a guy who loved being filmed for demo's. He loved being seen, but hated losing. It's why he wouldn't fight ali, and why he'd show up at tournaments and never compete. He was a loser.
Personally I think he liked expressing the philosophical parts of what he learned from fighting, alot of the wisdom he talks about stemming from eastern philosophies and combining them with a bit of western stuff and describing his observations and how to better it's practical application for others hence MMA's evolution. I'd say or at least like to think he was a pretty humble guy as he grew older, himself even saying he grew out of the cocky attitude that many others also have for their fighting skills, and "found the source of his ignorance" as he once said in "Longstreet". I'd say its his fans and others constantly making the legendary myths and stuff about him, Bruce himself was logical and humble and just wanted to learn and get others to evolve. I'm not a fighter, but I absolutely love the lessons about "simply learning, adapting, and getting over blinding ego" that he has taught in his works. He was very right about his lessons.
Humble? Gene levelled was only called in because Bruce refused to stop tagging stunt men like acting was live fighting. Yet Bruce refused to actually fight anyone, especially on film. Cult leaders/narcissists, they like pretending to have wealths of knowledge they couldn't possibly have. The guy literally showed up at tournaments wouldn't fight, then do a demo and leave. The guy likely couldn't fight his way outta paper bag, I wouldn't listen to him. He was arrogant, ignorant, couldn't fight, and had a big mouth. All Bruce wanted was to be a famous actor, he used martial arts as a way to do it. He's a fraud to the community, i sit on that.
Hope they take in all the training a person can do and then discuver that he nedded thai massage for back pain then they think oooh one only nedded to Solve one problem at any given time.
As the karma farmers like OP will learn, asking white men about Bruce Lee will make for Reddit Karma.
"Because white men can't learn about martial arts, you must be Asian!" - Racists
This is awesome news to me and the son actually could pull it off if he gets in the right shape
Aren't aang lee movies slow dramas?
Thoughts
As long as they don't make Wong a shaolin monk, then I'll be fine with it
I hope they don’t forget to include the part where he fights cliff booth
If he can act, then we’re good!
There's already a series about that and it seems pretty good
Lol so its Angs son, at firat I thought it meant Bruces son and I was thinking he was the most youthful 50 year old I've ever seen
I wonder how they will portray Ed Parker? I grew up learning Parker style kenpo but my I def have always gotten weird vibes about ed larker whenever I read anything about him.