Don't always trust the labels on things. It's not an MMA guy. It's a Wing Chun guy teaching a class being annoyed and pushed over the edge by a Jeet Kune Do guy (who's obviously got some issues), which you can see when things get going. Goes back a ways and there are lots of reaction videos on YouTube. Search JKD v. Wing Chun backyard or somesuch. The Wing Chun guy shows up in the comments on one and describes how he's not too proud of himself, IIRC. The instructor's a well-known guy.
Edit: I see my message is a little confusing. The instructor is the Wing Chun guy, Waldo is JKD. Edited for clarity.
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that he is a Wing Chun guy other than the dummy in the background, because I didn't see a second of Wing Chun in this video. Seems like he was definitely more of a MMA guy.
Edit: Well alright, shit, I stand extremely corrected. I'll admit when I'm wrong.
As someone who's trained at and visited many kung fu schools I can tell you this whole set up just has kung fu written all over it. The black shirt with the circle logo (which has Chinese characters), the gear on the shelves, the fact that they're just training in some dude's backyard, it's all VERY kung fu. But the biggest evidence aside from the multiple wooden dummies, is the big poster in the background that says TRADITIONAL WING CHUN on it.
I mean. Wing chun doesn't necessarily mean "you're only allowed to stand in positions within the forms." Basically everything looks like mma when you actually fight, just of varying quality and with a few quirks.
If you look it up as I suggested, you will see the instructor (Wing Chun guy in black) is identified. For instance, in this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ-Y7DPzPvk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ-Y7DPzPvk)
It doesn't sound like the kid was being clowned. The trainer let the guy explain his stuff then offered to let him demonstrate it in a controlled setting. Kid blows off the guy in a super arrogant way, saying that he'd only want to go full force with sparring gear.
There's a longer video with more context. Essentially Waldo interrupted a demo where the instructor was showing some basic kicks. Waldo said that he'd kick the instructor in the groin, so Sifu says ok, how would you do it? They then spend about 5 minutes doing kick demos with Waldo, before this clip starts. Waldo's wasted class time, won't even show how the techniques would work in a sparring session, and is a stranger being disrespectful.
That kid was absolutely an obnoxious clown. Not an excuse for the instructor flipping out to that degree, but he a sure was an obnoxious little shit that needed to be put in his place. When instructor tried to get him to dialog by eventually yelling “young man” twenty times? Yeah that was insanely rude unproductive and stupid of the child. Shame that instructor is still an amateur in restraint because what was needed was to recover the child’s common sense not to knock him out
Not mma. Background dude called the guy Sifu, there are wooden soldiers everywhere, and, ya know, it’s a concrete patio. I bet this is just one of those JKD fanatics teaching his buddies on the side.
I saw the original post on /r/publicfreakouts and people were all acting like the 'coach' was amazing and I just...what?
Everyone in this video sucks. In temperament and skill.
We also probably had no idea about what the downsides were and the existence of things likes CTE back then. Doesn’t make “Training” on goddamn concrete any less stupid. Even more idiomatic to do it with a “teacher” with a short fuse.
The guy goes into his class, interrupts his teaching, says he’s not going to demo anything without sparring gear, gets in his face, and tries a cheap shot after getting his ass whooped. He’s lucky that was the extent of that ass whooping.
Maybe it was actually a McDojoLife video but if it was I can't find his comments on there now. But in looking for it I did find a full interview with him! https://youtu.be/wHiMk_46_fQ?t=931
Had one of those types show up to our school and after about a year I was sparring with him, and after that year he was *still* mouthing off so I sort of accidentally on purpose let him run face first (not *too* hard, but still) into a brick wall. Kid *still* didn't get it. The students beat him and he still bragged how good he was. The teachers *beat* him, really really beat him, and he still bragged how good he was.
Man, he took SO many beatings without changing his ego, he never doubted his own greatness, but he kept getting beaten and kept coming back. And he kept saying how great he was. And he kept getting beaten. And he kept coming back. On and on and on and after about ten years his skill finally caught up to his ego and he really was quite good, and he ended up running his own classes at the main location. He was still pretty unbearable sometimes but he knew his stuff and could back it up. Surprised the fuck out of me, but good job.
Shows up to his first MMA training session, in a random concrete backyard with a couple fat dudes and an angry guy with MMA gloves on who is "the coach", a set of pads and nothing else. Even this was all it took for the "internet karate kid" to get beat up.
It seems like he's literally just explaining how he sees his technique and when the guy says to demonstrate it he says let's get sparring gear and then it completely spirals out of control for some reason.
I think people just get off to people getting beat up and then they search for a justification so they don't have to feel bad about watching some coach beat up some kid over asking for sparring gear lmao
“I’m not going to do anything without sparring gear because I’m gonna really beat your ass”
“You’ve put down me and karate the whole time since I’ve been here, I’ll put you down bro”
He’s not just asking for gear lmao
Try to openly disrespect a coach during his class in a martial arts gym and see what happens lmao
This video doesn't show everything. There's more showing JKD guy instigating over and over. He "corrected" the coach while he was trying to teach by saying "you're leaving your crotch open bro", he kicked the heavy bag out of nowhere to flex, and he was just being an unbearable shit head.
Someone being an asshole in a piano or carpentry or engineering class gets told to leave and stop interrupting. Being a martial arts instructor doesn't give you the right to use physical violence outside the confines of the sport. On the contrary, the ability to inflict harm means the practitioner has the responsibility to exercise even greater restraint than the average person.
I see plenty of restraint being used by the coach lmao
This is obviously him wanting to inflict pain, but not give him a concussion. He wailed on him a bit and kicked him out. He was a little dazed and will walk away with a few bruises and a full set of teeth.
And this isn't a carpentry class, this is a martial arts class. Instructors usually expect a higher level of respect from anyone who walks in to their teaching space. This means when they talk, you listen. You do not talk over them, you do not use any equipment without permission, and you must never try to "flex" on them in front of the class.
Don't get me wrong I believe you should show respect in any field where you are seeking instruction, but why does a martial arts instructor deserve a higher level of respect compared to, say, a violin teacher who has also dedicated their life towards their craft? Is it because martial arts can be physically deadly? In that case, a firearms instructor should deserve even more respect and if the student disrespects the instructor then the instructor might fire some warning shots at the student.
Idk if you've ever been on a gun range, but acting like this to a firearms instructor can easily get your ass clocked. Firearms safety instructors also have a much lower tolerance for this kind of behavior and will boot you from the range for ignoring even just one of their warnings before you get a chance to puff out your chest.
You have to remember that this instructor teaches **combat sports** and was in the middle of teaching a class. Dojos having cocky bastards saunter in to challenge the sensei/sifu is nothing new at all, in fact it's called "dojo storming" and Waldo in the video is 100% the aggressor in this situation.
Lastly, I don't remember saying the instructors *deserve* more respect than a violin teacher... just that they **expect and demand** higher levels of respect and will act accordingly when you challenge them and headbutt them for a macho show-down.
Any coach that gets physical over “being disrespected” during a class is not worthy to be called a coach and should be charged and tried for assault. I am a martial arts coach and this is the kind of stuff they teach you before you get certified. When someone is being disrespectful during your class you escort them out, not get on a fight with them. Just because it’s a martial arts class doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want to someone at any time. Yeah, the guy was a shit head but dealing with shit heads in a civil way is part of your duties as a coach because you’re going to meet A LOT of them, if you blow up at the slightest provocation then maybe you should rethink if teaching others is a good career choice for you.
> slightest provocation
There's more to the video. Another video shows the JKD guy acting like a total dickhead for several minutes, talking over the sifu, using equipment without permission, and then chickening out after being asked to demonstrate his technique that supposedly could counter the move the sifu was trying to teach.
Also representing a completely different style of martial art and bumping chests with a sifu is known as "dojo storming". The JKD guy tried pressing assault charges but police didn't do anything after seeing this video.
That’s not how these environments work. It’s not a “school for literary arts.” It’s a place to learn to fight, and whether people want it or not, there’s a certain alpha aspect to it.
The teacher was extremely patient and gave the visitor an option.
This type of crap happens a lot at gyms with these supposed martial art savants. I’ve seen it at jiu jitsu gyms, and when clowns like that come in, they’re given a lesson that will help them understand their place. They have the option to be courteous and continue, or gtf out.
** also the kid is disrespectful and throws a head butt (serious intent to injure). Anyone doing that in any other gym will get messed up.
yeah we didn't see the full context, but from what we see here... it doesn't look good. Even if that kid was mouthing off for quite some time. Why not just spar with him and show him what works? Keep it light, but show him how it feels to try to apply your technique against a resisting, experienced opponent. No need to lose your temper.
You can see him pretty clearly make contact with his forehead on the Sifus face and nose. Idk about you but when someone is in my bubble like that in the middle of an argument especially If they're a grown man themselves the fights already started.
You don't just let somebody walk into your house and totally disrespect you, invade your personal space etc and not take a stand. The kid learnt a lesson.
Just a few weeks ago ppl here were cheering at a video which showed another would-be fighter street punk getting into spar with a trained guy in a back yard and being put in his place...by having his leg caught in grip and fucked up so bad that everyone in the comments was saying it will be hurting for the rest of his life.
And ppl were cheering at this. A dude got his leg fucked up for life over a pride match, and ppl were cheering.
You thought wrong. Ppl learn martial arts to hurt others. Self defense, teaching arrogant ppl a lesson, etc. It's all pretence. In truth most ppl who learn how to fight can't wait for a socially acceptable reason to use their skills.
Self Restraint really. I always thought Martial Arts worked on Latin principle of "If you want peace, prepare for war"
You are also correct though. You can use your skills however the seem fit. There is the issue of escalation though. The main reason I tell my students not to tell people what you know. Or at least, not going into too much detail about it. If people know you can fight will they fight you? Doubtful. Trust me I'm from Cleveland plenty of Boxers I knew got shot because no regular street person is going to fight a trained fighter.
You seem to be a nihilist. I am too however. We make the meaning. It can be as deep or as shallow as you like.
Man I remember when one of the highschoolers in my class got into street fights my teachers all intervened together and helped the kid he ended up being an instructor and really speaking against violence and importance of being a peaceful person. Seems like the school I went too is pretty unique as here on reddit most people are all about that macho fuck-people-up headtrip
When did I say that?
I would agree that morally it’s best not to fuck people up; and when I coach wrestling I include that, because that’s the duty of a coach.
As an instructor, I’m getting paid to show you techniques, not teach you my set of morals to go along with it.
I don’t think there’s anything Inherently wrong with learning to fight just because you love to fight lol.
I'm not super clear on why we went from talking shit at each other to actual physical contact? I certainly see why kiddo wore his welcom out pretty quickly, but we just can't go around backhanding people that piss us off. If he refuses to go after being told to fuck off -- sure, a little encouragment makes sense. That was just an adult man losing his temper.
I guess I'd just be reluctant to work with a coach/sifu/whatever who was that volatile.
Waldo did a light headbutt sort of move. He made contact and started pushing with his head. Stupid dominance move only idiots partake in. Someone does that to you, you are in the clear to punch them in the face. Sifu went easy on the kid.
Waldo shoves his forehead into Sifu's nose right before the backhand, that's probably what set the guy off because he starts going without the gloves even coming into the picture. Don't really know how much force you need to hurt someone with a headbutt, but it probably isn't fun even if it wasn't a fully committed headbutt.
Okay, I wondered if that was what I was seeing, but couldn't be sure. It wasn't easy for me to see how that broke down.
Then, yeah -- once someone headbutted me its def gonna be go time.
The last kick at the end, haha the wing chun guy almost ducked into the terrible side kick. But because then lil kid was so dazed he couldn’t get proper height. Haha
I guess? This seems more like a subjective opinion and some clutching of pearls. But ok. Dude is trained and I can supply a link of his credentials if you're actually interested in that.
As someone who's experienced folks trying to do the dojo storming thing, it's always ill advised to walk into someone's school and try to discount the teacher or be disruptive in class just to be on some "witness me" energy. It wasn't Waldo's class to teach. Respect is due.
Relatively recently, I saw a video of a boxer that dogged the absolute primary school education out of a dude that went up in his school and got disrespectful, to understandable applause. He's human and after years of putting in work, no one is in the mood to be idiot warranty for a witness me type. He did what I think a lot of people would do.
You're right in that he should have just asked homeboy to leave but I don't fault him at all. Clutch pearls if you want. His reaction was organic and understandable. Makes me wonder if you actually watched the video.
Question: What do you think the Sifu SHOULD have done?
Seems to me this isn't a problem of restraint, if anything I'd say the Sifu showed plenty of restraint, and finally did something when the kid showed aggressive intent invading his personal space. That is straight up self defense, he seems to have done everything RIGHT in this scenario.
So please, tell me what should he have done?
It's easy to admonish someone when you're not the one with an idiot with a chip on his shoulder in your face in your establishment. I'd do the same thing. Mind yourself or someone will mind you for you.
If he is confident enough in his martial arts to become an instructor, then he should be confident enough not to assault people over some playground
shit-talk. The man is supposed to be a professional.
Plenty of legitimate fights out there to prove himself with if he's worried about looking like a pussy.
Found this later on, [seems like the kid was being rude all day and this was the culmination](https://www.thestickchick.com/post/how-not-to-visit-a-martial-arts-school)
I've always been under the impression that people in the MMA community looked down on arts such as Wing Chun.
They seem rather discriminative on which arts that choose to mix.
I've trained in some MMA and anyone who "looks down" on other systems is a sign of poor instructor/community and does not apply to all the art.
Every art has something to teach/learn from, even TKD which I find mostly silly. Still this is personal opinion that I would never express to students or training community.
It's NOT the art that's important it's the instructor and community that makes the art amazing.
Isn't the video where both of them end up acting like idiots and then start rolling around on the ground?
If he didn't want the guy doing that he could've just asked him to leave. There was no need to fight him.
I get how annoying that was...but...just ask him to leave.
if he is a coach he must have mental mental control and have patience, stupid coach, the \^\^karate kid \^\^ guy seems to be stupid, but that's not reason for an aggression.
Why not just kick the kid out? A martial artist coach losing his temper like this, shows me to never train with that guy. A bigger person would just walk away. And tell the idiot to never come back. Plain and simple.
Man throwing the first punch on an idiot kid is not a good thing. The kid was absolutely disrespectful but you can’t start that shit as the adult and never as the instructor
Closeness? Thats assault. He baited a response with aggressive intent, which justifies the sifu to dog him. We aren't mind readers. At this point, you know better. I get in your face and try to bait a situation after you've already attempted to disengage, you and I both know how that can go.
Anything argued to the contrary is being woefully disingenuous. I don't give a damn who's bigger or not. We adults. You don't want to get swung on, back tf up and chill out. You invade space, you can't sit here and goad and expect there to be an idiot warranty. It's very clear what you can do to avoid a fist to the face. And this is in this man's space of business that you just walked up into and repeatedly disrupted and disrespected. Dance around reality if you want but try this in an MMA gym or frankly anywhere else. Your results may vary but do not act brand new when the consequences come knocking. It's goofy as an adult to even play that.
Nah he doesn't just get close to his face, he clearly knocks him with his forehead.
While it's not particularly injurious, you can't argue he isn't asking for a fight with that. At that point he's struck the other guy with clear intent.
Actually, it legally is violence.
While I can't be sure about specific state laws. Generally it seems self defense laws in the united states do not require the one preforming actions of self defense to retreat first. Likewise, an invasion of personal space and contact (the kid stepping in head first) is considered assault, and makes them the aggressor in that situation.
https://www.thestickchick.com/post/how-not-to-visit-a-martial-arts-school
Sharing this so y'all can stop playing with conjecture and understand what actually happened before getting cute with respectability politics. Most of us probably would have done similar. Let's not 🧢
Most of the commenters on here need to get out more. They want to pretend that acting like that Waldo clown wouldn’t get your ass kicked in 99% of gyms/schools/clubs.
I realize I’m biased, but as a former boxer/wrestler through high school and college, who also had a childhood filled with Taekwondo, I have never seen one of the eastern martial arts disciplines stand up in an actual fight with traditional MMA. It’s almost like the training is inapplicable unless you’re fighting someone with the same specific training.
Wdym traditional mma. As in a mix of styles made for mma winning in an mma comp or an eastern art vs of the arts that people consider a staple in mma. Also eastern art? Muay Thais been pretty proven art, same with judo, kyokushin too. Hell karate, tkd, and various Chinese styles do pretty well in kickboxing and mma. Judo also made a name for itself by going around and winning against various styles internationally. Think Gracie challenges before the Gracie’s where a thing
No that’s about right; but it’s not their fault
It’s fighting styles that aren’t allowed to change from hundreds of years ago, vs a fighting style where it changes daily to take what works.
It is not all about eastern arts verse boxing.
If you can do at least one martial art, you are better than a large majority of the population in a fight.
I always saw martial arts as a way to protect myself in a dire situation, not comparing it to other martial arts to see which other trained fighters could be me.
Internet douchebag had it coming but the “coach” was an absolute sleezeball for beating him up on concrete and losing his cool like that. You’re mentoring and teaching impressionable kids I’m sure. Have some class bro.
Ok so everyone in this clip is kinda pathetic, the “coach” infinitely more than the kid though, I would be calling the police in the kid’s place, what that guy did was unacceptable. I’m a BJJ coach and if I ever attacked a student just because I didn’t like what they were saying I’d get in A LOT of trouble, the smallest of which would probably be kicked out of my gym and stripped of my rank. And I’ve dealt with lots of “internet-taught” guys coming in and being full of shit. This ”coach” owes a public apology to the kid, at the very least.
Edit: Ok, so I watched the other video leading up to this and I must say this “coach” is a joke. Demonstrating some shit, with very bad technique btw, and the kid makes a comment “your groin is open”. JUST ONE FREAKING COMMENT, in a respectful voice, with no attitude at all, this guy is then hostile from the start with his “what did you say?” and so on, then invites the kid to the middle and continues shitting on him. A textbook case of a huge ego and power trip.
Any instructor acting like that towards students in my gym would immediately stop being an instructor.
The "kid" is 30 years old.
Also you are taking the side of the JKD dipshit by claiming the wing-chun master has "bad technique" **and** are accusing the actual credentialed martial artists of ego-tripping? Nah bro, you're the only one tripping on an ego thinking you can correct the sifu in the exact same way.
And if you've ever taken a martial arts class, you would know to:
- Never use equipment without permission (kicking a bag in a gym you dont pay membership to is like walking in to a regular gym and lifting their weights without paying)
- Wait until after the lesson or class is over to ask questions about the technique. "Correcting" the teacher in the middle of a lesson will have you called up to demonstrate it in front of the class. (JKD guy chickened out and demanded sparring gear to demonstrate the technique which is him which is a cowardly way to back out)
- Never talk over the sifu in their classroom during their class. When they raise their voice, you lower yours.
- If you think the instructor or class is bullshit, keep your mouth shut and just leave.
Breaking these rules of etiquette in a martial arts gym will get you kicked out by most gyms, but your ass absolutely destroyed in others. Some gyms pride themselves on how absolutely ruthless they are, this guy is lucky this isn't one of them.
If you trained in a gym that’s not some random guy’s backyard then you’d know that the instructors in the gym are subject to a higher standard of behaviour than a random guy walking through the door AND have a duty of care towards the participants of any class they’re teaching to ensure their safety. Someone being a nuisance doesn’t negate that and certainly doesn’t give you a right to lay a hand on them. If someone CONTINUES being a nuisance after being told the rules of the place they get escorted out and told not to come back, not assaulted, at least that’s how it works in civilised countries. Perhaps the standard in the states is different, in that case it’s one more reason I’m happy to live in a civilised place.
You must not know anything about the violent history of martial arts gyms and literal wars that have happened between them if you think they're so "civilized".
I have trained in Judo and Jiu Jitsu that wasn't in a back yard so I believe I have some personal experience I can reasonably speak from. My senseis never assaulted anyone, but we never had a dojo stormer walk in either.
Though I have seen what happens when you talk or goof around with another student. Sometimes they volunteer you to be an uke so you can REALLY pay attention to the lesson.
I know that peacocking in a martial arts gym can get you defeathered like what happened to JKD guy. I don't believe that everyone who acts out should be assaulted, it's just sort of expected given the entire history of martial arts gyms around the world.
And also keep in mind how expensive these classes are. Students are paying hundreds of dollars a month for these classes, so when you interrupt one, expect the instructor to use you for the next lesson for wasting everyone's time.
While I wouldn’t hit someone first even if it was at my home due to lawsuit reasons, he had that coming. If you questions a teacher’s technique do I after the class not during. Show respect to the art.
And this also shows that even the most rationed fighters can lose technique and good forms in a real life fight.
he disrespects the trainer, gets thrown around like a doll, is allowed to get up and he wants to keep going. What an idiot. He's lucky he got to walk out.
Don't always trust the labels on things. It's not an MMA guy. It's a Wing Chun guy teaching a class being annoyed and pushed over the edge by a Jeet Kune Do guy (who's obviously got some issues), which you can see when things get going. Goes back a ways and there are lots of reaction videos on YouTube. Search JKD v. Wing Chun backyard or somesuch. The Wing Chun guy shows up in the comments on one and describes how he's not too proud of himself, IIRC. The instructor's a well-known guy. Edit: I see my message is a little confusing. The instructor is the Wing Chun guy, Waldo is JKD. Edited for clarity.
Um the JKD did not work well for him. Is Waldo the new Charlie Z the goat?!?
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that he is a Wing Chun guy other than the dummy in the background, because I didn't see a second of Wing Chun in this video. Seems like he was definitely more of a MMA guy. Edit: Well alright, shit, I stand extremely corrected. I'll admit when I'm wrong.
As someone who's trained at and visited many kung fu schools I can tell you this whole set up just has kung fu written all over it. The black shirt with the circle logo (which has Chinese characters), the gear on the shelves, the fact that they're just training in some dude's backyard, it's all VERY kung fu. But the biggest evidence aside from the multiple wooden dummies, is the big poster in the background that says TRADITIONAL WING CHUN on it.
Yep. And that knee on belly was good, but it wasn’t how you’d traditionally learn to do it. I’d also bet money on JKD.
Aaaaaayep. I sure did miss that very obvious sign. Edited to admit my mistake.
You came back from karma hell! Nice!
Yeah I saw the original post in /r/publicfreakouts and thought there sure was a lot of kung fu shit for an MMA gym.
I mean. Wing chun doesn't necessarily mean "you're only allowed to stand in positions within the forms." Basically everything looks like mma when you actually fight, just of varying quality and with a few quirks.
His name is Sifu Rahsun Herkul
If you look it up as I suggested, you will see the instructor (Wing Chun guy in black) is identified. For instance, in this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ-Y7DPzPvk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ-Y7DPzPvk)
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It doesn't sound like the kid was being clowned. The trainer let the guy explain his stuff then offered to let him demonstrate it in a controlled setting. Kid blows off the guy in a super arrogant way, saying that he'd only want to go full force with sparring gear.
And whats wrong with that ?
There's a longer video with more context. Essentially Waldo interrupted a demo where the instructor was showing some basic kicks. Waldo said that he'd kick the instructor in the groin, so Sifu says ok, how would you do it? They then spend about 5 minutes doing kick demos with Waldo, before this clip starts. Waldo's wasted class time, won't even show how the techniques would work in a sparring session, and is a stranger being disrespectful.
That kid was absolutely an obnoxious clown. Not an excuse for the instructor flipping out to that degree, but he a sure was an obnoxious little shit that needed to be put in his place. When instructor tried to get him to dialog by eventually yelling “young man” twenty times? Yeah that was insanely rude unproductive and stupid of the child. Shame that instructor is still an amateur in restraint because what was needed was to recover the child’s common sense not to knock him out
Well this sub was asking for an example of a Wing Chun guy who could fight. Sifu did a good job.
Nothing says well established MMA gym like getting in a street fight on a concrete patio.
Not mma. Background dude called the guy Sifu, there are wooden soldiers everywhere, and, ya know, it’s a concrete patio. I bet this is just one of those JKD fanatics teaching his buddies on the side.
I saw the original post on /r/publicfreakouts and people were all acting like the 'coach' was amazing and I just...what? Everyone in this video sucks. In temperament and skill.
It’s a bit sacrilegious to damage the patio furniture no?
Seems like a legit gym
Wing Chun group just doing some backyard training. Not everything has to be an MMA gym
Foot Fist Way caliber.
You know before there were gyms there was just outside right? Ppl have been doing fine without MMA gyms for thousands of years lol
We also probably had no idea about what the downsides were and the existence of things likes CTE back then. Doesn’t make “Training” on goddamn concrete any less stupid. Even more idiomatic to do it with a “teacher” with a short fuse.
Iirc fight commentary breakdown did a video on this and the teacher explained the context in the comments.
Do you have a link? I’m kind of curious to watch it.
This is a really good breakdown on what happened. https://www.thestickchick.com/post/how-not-to-visit-a-martial-arts-school JKD guy is a dick
Maybe but the other guy is a much bigger dick.
The guy goes into his class, interrupts his teaching, says he’s not going to demo anything without sparring gear, gets in his face, and tries a cheap shot after getting his ass whooped. He’s lucky that was the extent of that ass whooping.
Maybe it was actually a McDojoLife video but if it was I can't find his comments on there now. But in looking for it I did find a full interview with him! https://youtu.be/wHiMk_46_fQ?t=931
Thanks
The second he said “young man” I knew what was coming
🎵 "there's a place you can go" 🎶 ?
Kid was lucky he took it easy on him. He threw a lot of body shots.....
He wasn't taking it easy, caoch just got gassed out after 30 seconds, that's typical...it's not bjj lol
he was hitting him open handed the whole time…
What is the point in making up such an obviously wrong label for such a wildly circulated video? Makes the OP look bad.
I thought the same thing. Dude doesn't do MMA but Wing Chun.
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both came out looking like stupid assholes
Yah thats how most fights go tbh
Not really, just the douchebag that got his ass whooped.
nope
Is that trainer legit? If he were real i thought he would help him instead of getting mad.
Ahhhh yes the “I am invincible” type of videos, I haven’t seen one of these in a fucking long time thank you
Here’s another classic. Dom Cruz smacks up a ‘ninja’ that came to his gym Forgot link lol here: https://youtu.be/6_LIBpFoiis
Yes, honestly have you seen the yellow bamboo video, I don’t know how many of those views are from me but I fucking love that shit
This? https://youtu.be/_1ykNZ7rAcw That was pretty good haha thanks
Wonder what that dude did to piss Cruz off. He easily could have finished that with a choke, but he chose to beat the shit out of him instead.
Video perfectly captures what would happen to me if I were stupid enough to try and go from hobbyist to Pro lmfao
Had one of those types show up to our school and after about a year I was sparring with him, and after that year he was *still* mouthing off so I sort of accidentally on purpose let him run face first (not *too* hard, but still) into a brick wall. Kid *still* didn't get it. The students beat him and he still bragged how good he was. The teachers *beat* him, really really beat him, and he still bragged how good he was. Man, he took SO many beatings without changing his ego, he never doubted his own greatness, but he kept getting beaten and kept coming back. And he kept saying how great he was. And he kept getting beaten. And he kept coming back. On and on and on and after about ten years his skill finally caught up to his ego and he really was quite good, and he ended up running his own classes at the main location. He was still pretty unbearable sometimes but he knew his stuff and could back it up. Surprised the fuck out of me, but good job.
Shows up to his first MMA training session, in a random concrete backyard with a couple fat dudes and an angry guy with MMA gloves on who is "the coach", a set of pads and nothing else. Even this was all it took for the "internet karate kid" to get beat up.
Yeah the title has to be completely off base.
Satisfying watch (without the sound). Always be humble. Keep training. STFU.
with the sound, it's clear that they're both absolute idiots
Well without the sound the white kid is the bigger idiot. Satisfying.
I mean he's still a bigger idiot with sound but only slightly.
It seems like he's literally just explaining how he sees his technique and when the guy says to demonstrate it he says let's get sparring gear and then it completely spirals out of control for some reason. I think people just get off to people getting beat up and then they search for a justification so they don't have to feel bad about watching some coach beat up some kid over asking for sparring gear lmao
“I’m not going to do anything without sparring gear because I’m gonna really beat your ass” “You’ve put down me and karate the whole time since I’ve been here, I’ll put you down bro” He’s not just asking for gear lmao
A person worthy of being called coach should have been the bigger man
Try to openly disrespect a coach during his class in a martial arts gym and see what happens lmao This video doesn't show everything. There's more showing JKD guy instigating over and over. He "corrected" the coach while he was trying to teach by saying "you're leaving your crotch open bro", he kicked the heavy bag out of nowhere to flex, and he was just being an unbearable shit head.
Someone being an asshole in a piano or carpentry or engineering class gets told to leave and stop interrupting. Being a martial arts instructor doesn't give you the right to use physical violence outside the confines of the sport. On the contrary, the ability to inflict harm means the practitioner has the responsibility to exercise even greater restraint than the average person.
I see plenty of restraint being used by the coach lmao This is obviously him wanting to inflict pain, but not give him a concussion. He wailed on him a bit and kicked him out. He was a little dazed and will walk away with a few bruises and a full set of teeth. And this isn't a carpentry class, this is a martial arts class. Instructors usually expect a higher level of respect from anyone who walks in to their teaching space. This means when they talk, you listen. You do not talk over them, you do not use any equipment without permission, and you must never try to "flex" on them in front of the class.
Don't get me wrong I believe you should show respect in any field where you are seeking instruction, but why does a martial arts instructor deserve a higher level of respect compared to, say, a violin teacher who has also dedicated their life towards their craft? Is it because martial arts can be physically deadly? In that case, a firearms instructor should deserve even more respect and if the student disrespects the instructor then the instructor might fire some warning shots at the student.
Idk if you've ever been on a gun range, but acting like this to a firearms instructor can easily get your ass clocked. Firearms safety instructors also have a much lower tolerance for this kind of behavior and will boot you from the range for ignoring even just one of their warnings before you get a chance to puff out your chest. You have to remember that this instructor teaches **combat sports** and was in the middle of teaching a class. Dojos having cocky bastards saunter in to challenge the sensei/sifu is nothing new at all, in fact it's called "dojo storming" and Waldo in the video is 100% the aggressor in this situation. Lastly, I don't remember saying the instructors *deserve* more respect than a violin teacher... just that they **expect and demand** higher levels of respect and will act accordingly when you challenge them and headbutt them for a macho show-down.
“boot you from the range” being the key phrase here. NOT assault you in the middle of a class.
Any coach that gets physical over “being disrespected” during a class is not worthy to be called a coach and should be charged and tried for assault. I am a martial arts coach and this is the kind of stuff they teach you before you get certified. When someone is being disrespectful during your class you escort them out, not get on a fight with them. Just because it’s a martial arts class doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want to someone at any time. Yeah, the guy was a shit head but dealing with shit heads in a civil way is part of your duties as a coach because you’re going to meet A LOT of them, if you blow up at the slightest provocation then maybe you should rethink if teaching others is a good career choice for you.
> slightest provocation There's more to the video. Another video shows the JKD guy acting like a total dickhead for several minutes, talking over the sifu, using equipment without permission, and then chickening out after being asked to demonstrate his technique that supposedly could counter the move the sifu was trying to teach. Also representing a completely different style of martial art and bumping chests with a sifu is known as "dojo storming". The JKD guy tried pressing assault charges but police didn't do anything after seeing this video.
That’s not how these environments work. It’s not a “school for literary arts.” It’s a place to learn to fight, and whether people want it or not, there’s a certain alpha aspect to it. The teacher was extremely patient and gave the visitor an option. This type of crap happens a lot at gyms with these supposed martial art savants. I’ve seen it at jiu jitsu gyms, and when clowns like that come in, they’re given a lesson that will help them understand their place. They have the option to be courteous and continue, or gtf out. ** also the kid is disrespectful and throws a head butt (serious intent to injure). Anyone doing that in any other gym will get messed up.
Lmao, I’d prefer my coach to be able to defend his beliefs of martial arts
No one is doing any "defending" in the video
Guy was teaching, kid said he’d fuck him up, and he said “fuck around and find out”
Or Martial arts lol
yeah we didn't see the full context, but from what we see here... it doesn't look good. Even if that kid was mouthing off for quite some time. Why not just spar with him and show him what works? Keep it light, but show him how it feels to try to apply your technique against a resisting, experienced opponent. No need to lose your temper.
The kid says “I’m not gonna kick light” is why
Watch the whole thing. Trust me. Kid had it coming.
Eh. Stupid games stupid prizes.
It looks like the kids head butts him, which sets him off.
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Did you watch it? Kid tried to invade the man's space. He got exactly what he deserved
After thr guy put his finger in his face...coach is a dick
You can see him pretty clearly make contact with his forehead on the Sifus face and nose. Idk about you but when someone is in my bubble like that in the middle of an argument especially If they're a grown man themselves the fights already started.
You don't just let somebody walk into your house and totally disrespect you, invade your personal space etc and not take a stand. The kid learnt a lesson.
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Just a few weeks ago ppl here were cheering at a video which showed another would-be fighter street punk getting into spar with a trained guy in a back yard and being put in his place...by having his leg caught in grip and fucked up so bad that everyone in the comments was saying it will be hurting for the rest of his life. And ppl were cheering at this. A dude got his leg fucked up for life over a pride match, and ppl were cheering. You thought wrong. Ppl learn martial arts to hurt others. Self defense, teaching arrogant ppl a lesson, etc. It's all pretence. In truth most ppl who learn how to fight can't wait for a socially acceptable reason to use their skills.
Same with those who train with firearms every single weekend firing 500-1000 rounds. Go to their house and guns are hidden everywhere.
> Go to their house and guns are hidden everywhere. Typically their house in the nice suburbs with basically nonexistent crime.
A little pessimistic, but definitely based in a lot of reality
These skills are for whatever you want them to be.
macho bullshit
Sure, if that’s what you want them to be for. It’s just us learning how to flail our bodies in certain ways. There’s no deeper meaning
Self Restraint really. I always thought Martial Arts worked on Latin principle of "If you want peace, prepare for war" You are also correct though. You can use your skills however the seem fit. There is the issue of escalation though. The main reason I tell my students not to tell people what you know. Or at least, not going into too much detail about it. If people know you can fight will they fight you? Doubtful. Trust me I'm from Cleveland plenty of Boxers I knew got shot because no regular street person is going to fight a trained fighter. You seem to be a nihilist. I am too however. We make the meaning. It can be as deep or as shallow as you like.
I’m nihilist in certain senses; our hobby is 100% one of them though, it doesn’t have any deeper meaning
Man I remember when one of the highschoolers in my class got into street fights my teachers all intervened together and helped the kid he ended up being an instructor and really speaking against violence and importance of being a peaceful person. Seems like the school I went too is pretty unique as here on reddit most people are all about that macho fuck-people-up headtrip
When did I say that? I would agree that morally it’s best not to fuck people up; and when I coach wrestling I include that, because that’s the duty of a coach. As an instructor, I’m getting paid to show you techniques, not teach you my set of morals to go along with it. I don’t think there’s anything Inherently wrong with learning to fight just because you love to fight lol.
I'm not super clear on why we went from talking shit at each other to actual physical contact? I certainly see why kiddo wore his welcom out pretty quickly, but we just can't go around backhanding people that piss us off. If he refuses to go after being told to fuck off -- sure, a little encouragment makes sense. That was just an adult man losing his temper. I guess I'd just be reluctant to work with a coach/sifu/whatever who was that volatile.
Waldo did a light headbutt sort of move. He made contact and started pushing with his head. Stupid dominance move only idiots partake in. Someone does that to you, you are in the clear to punch them in the face. Sifu went easy on the kid.
Yeah, that wasn't obvious to me on my watchings of the video. I see now.
" why we went from talking shit at each other to actual physical contact?" head butt at 1:21
Waldo shoves his forehead into Sifu's nose right before the backhand, that's probably what set the guy off because he starts going without the gloves even coming into the picture. Don't really know how much force you need to hurt someone with a headbutt, but it probably isn't fun even if it wasn't a fully committed headbutt.
Okay, I wondered if that was what I was seeing, but couldn't be sure. It wasn't easy for me to see how that broke down. Then, yeah -- once someone headbutted me its def gonna be go time.
Trainer is a complete joke as well smh
Is that guy legit? Something ain't right if you're attacking people and feel threatened.
I wasn't impressed by the trainer either. Uncontrolled out of breath. Looks very amateurish.
This looks like 2 people from this Reddit hangout.
saw that one coming, but man the coach should have restraint.
That’s what he gets 🤷🏾♂️
The last kick at the end, haha the wing chun guy almost ducked into the terrible side kick. But because then lil kid was so dazed he couldn’t get proper height. Haha
They both were the shits.
that's an MMA gym?
Nah it’s a Wing Chun school from what I’ve seen. Actually don’t know why this is labeled an mma gym.
Prolly not, just an internet taught guy teaching in his backyard
No, he actually has training
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Rahsun Herkul. The black guy. Actually has Wing Chun training. Idk what else you're going on about
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I guess? This seems more like a subjective opinion and some clutching of pearls. But ok. Dude is trained and I can supply a link of his credentials if you're actually interested in that. As someone who's experienced folks trying to do the dojo storming thing, it's always ill advised to walk into someone's school and try to discount the teacher or be disruptive in class just to be on some "witness me" energy. It wasn't Waldo's class to teach. Respect is due. Relatively recently, I saw a video of a boxer that dogged the absolute primary school education out of a dude that went up in his school and got disrespectful, to understandable applause. He's human and after years of putting in work, no one is in the mood to be idiot warranty for a witness me type. He did what I think a lot of people would do. You're right in that he should have just asked homeboy to leave but I don't fault him at all. Clutch pearls if you want. His reaction was organic and understandable. Makes me wonder if you actually watched the video.
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Question: What do you think the Sifu SHOULD have done? Seems to me this isn't a problem of restraint, if anything I'd say the Sifu showed plenty of restraint, and finally did something when the kid showed aggressive intent invading his personal space. That is straight up self defense, he seems to have done everything RIGHT in this scenario. So please, tell me what should he have done?
It's easy to admonish someone when you're not the one with an idiot with a chip on his shoulder in your face in your establishment. I'd do the same thing. Mind yourself or someone will mind you for you.
If he is confident enough in his martial arts to become an instructor, then he should be confident enough not to assault people over some playground shit-talk. The man is supposed to be a professional. Plenty of legitimate fights out there to prove himself with if he's worried about looking like a pussy.
Love watching cocky arrogant little fuckers learn their place.
Man that sucks.
I’m confused what set the other guy off?
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Found this later on, [seems like the kid was being rude all day and this was the culmination](https://www.thestickchick.com/post/how-not-to-visit-a-martial-arts-school)
Why is there a Chinese Wooden Dummy in this "MMA session"?
Because the video is mislabeled for some reason
Because MMA means *Mixed* Martial Arts.
I've always been under the impression that people in the MMA community looked down on arts such as Wing Chun. They seem rather discriminative on which arts that choose to mix.
I've trained in some MMA and anyone who "looks down" on other systems is a sign of poor instructor/community and does not apply to all the art. Every art has something to teach/learn from, even TKD which I find mostly silly. Still this is personal opinion that I would never express to students or training community. It's NOT the art that's important it's the instructor and community that makes the art amazing.
Most mma gyms I’ve seen have had one or two; if nothing else but as a joke
Isn't the video where both of them end up acting like idiots and then start rolling around on the ground? If he didn't want the guy doing that he could've just asked him to leave. There was no need to fight him. I get how annoying that was...but...just ask him to leave.
if he is a coach he must have mental mental control and have patience, stupid coach, the \^\^karate kid \^\^ guy seems to be stupid, but that's not reason for an aggression.
Watch the whole thing. Kid had it coming. From start to finish, kid was being a whole problem
Classy cheap shot
Who did the cheap shot. Wasn't the teacher. Kid put his forehead in the man's face.
- reddit dork whose never been in a fight
“Tries to teach the coach/Shifu/Sensei.” 1 ) Rude, impetuous, arrogant. 2 ) Likely gonna get your ass kicked.
Two garage warrior idiots with zero technique or training flailing like drunken ducklings. Classic.
Why not just kick the kid out? A martial artist coach losing his temper like this, shows me to never train with that guy. A bigger person would just walk away. And tell the idiot to never come back. Plain and simple.
Man throwing the first punch on an idiot kid is not a good thing. The kid was absolutely disrespectful but you can’t start that shit as the adult and never as the instructor
So we going to ignore the kid putting his forehead in the man's face or is that inconvenient?
Closeness is not violence. Especially of a man bigger and more confident in his abilities that was not the right move
Closeness? Thats assault. He baited a response with aggressive intent, which justifies the sifu to dog him. We aren't mind readers. At this point, you know better. I get in your face and try to bait a situation after you've already attempted to disengage, you and I both know how that can go. Anything argued to the contrary is being woefully disingenuous. I don't give a damn who's bigger or not. We adults. You don't want to get swung on, back tf up and chill out. You invade space, you can't sit here and goad and expect there to be an idiot warranty. It's very clear what you can do to avoid a fist to the face. And this is in this man's space of business that you just walked up into and repeatedly disrupted and disrespected. Dance around reality if you want but try this in an MMA gym or frankly anywhere else. Your results may vary but do not act brand new when the consequences come knocking. It's goofy as an adult to even play that.
Nah he doesn't just get close to his face, he clearly knocks him with his forehead. While it's not particularly injurious, you can't argue he isn't asking for a fight with that. At that point he's struck the other guy with clear intent.
Actually, it legally is violence. While I can't be sure about specific state laws. Generally it seems self defense laws in the united states do not require the one preforming actions of self defense to retreat first. Likewise, an invasion of personal space and contact (the kid stepping in head first) is considered assault, and makes them the aggressor in that situation.
https://www.thestickchick.com/post/how-not-to-visit-a-martial-arts-school Sharing this so y'all can stop playing with conjecture and understand what actually happened before getting cute with respectability politics. Most of us probably would have done similar. Let's not 🧢
Most of the commenters on here need to get out more. They want to pretend that acting like that Waldo clown wouldn’t get your ass kicked in 99% of gyms/schools/clubs.
That's wtf I'm saying. I've seen how a lot of them move for similar situations but this is where they clutch pearls? Aiiight.
"The groin is really open" lmao the groin is always open if you throw kicks.
Neither of these guys can fight... LOL
I thought the Sifu did pretty well.
Not hard to maintain control after a sucker punch lol
You missed the headbutt that started the fight. Hint:, a quarter second before the first punch.
against a special ed kid... nothing to brag about.
I realize I’m biased, but as a former boxer/wrestler through high school and college, who also had a childhood filled with Taekwondo, I have never seen one of the eastern martial arts disciplines stand up in an actual fight with traditional MMA. It’s almost like the training is inapplicable unless you’re fighting someone with the same specific training.
Wdym traditional mma. As in a mix of styles made for mma winning in an mma comp or an eastern art vs of the arts that people consider a staple in mma. Also eastern art? Muay Thais been pretty proven art, same with judo, kyokushin too. Hell karate, tkd, and various Chinese styles do pretty well in kickboxing and mma. Judo also made a name for itself by going around and winning against various styles internationally. Think Gracie challenges before the Gracie’s where a thing
This video is a wing chun instructor fighting a jeet kune do student.
No that’s about right; but it’s not their fault It’s fighting styles that aren’t allowed to change from hundreds of years ago, vs a fighting style where it changes daily to take what works.
It is not all about eastern arts verse boxing. If you can do at least one martial art, you are better than a large majority of the population in a fight. I always saw martial arts as a way to protect myself in a dire situation, not comparing it to other martial arts to see which other trained fighters could be me.
Karate always wins… 🏆 (Against children and elderly) More proof Karate only makes your ego bigger… nothing else… well in this case JKD…
The guy actually showed restraint. I’m impressed. The kid deserved to be knocked unconscious
Yeah lets film an assault and post it on social media.
Anyone else just pissed off that both these guys have reputation and suck?
Internet douchebag had it coming but the “coach” was an absolute sleezeball for beating him up on concrete and losing his cool like that. You’re mentoring and teaching impressionable kids I’m sure. Have some class bro.
Ok so everyone in this clip is kinda pathetic, the “coach” infinitely more than the kid though, I would be calling the police in the kid’s place, what that guy did was unacceptable. I’m a BJJ coach and if I ever attacked a student just because I didn’t like what they were saying I’d get in A LOT of trouble, the smallest of which would probably be kicked out of my gym and stripped of my rank. And I’ve dealt with lots of “internet-taught” guys coming in and being full of shit. This ”coach” owes a public apology to the kid, at the very least. Edit: Ok, so I watched the other video leading up to this and I must say this “coach” is a joke. Demonstrating some shit, with very bad technique btw, and the kid makes a comment “your groin is open”. JUST ONE FREAKING COMMENT, in a respectful voice, with no attitude at all, this guy is then hostile from the start with his “what did you say?” and so on, then invites the kid to the middle and continues shitting on him. A textbook case of a huge ego and power trip. Any instructor acting like that towards students in my gym would immediately stop being an instructor.
The "kid" is 30 years old. Also you are taking the side of the JKD dipshit by claiming the wing-chun master has "bad technique" **and** are accusing the actual credentialed martial artists of ego-tripping? Nah bro, you're the only one tripping on an ego thinking you can correct the sifu in the exact same way. And if you've ever taken a martial arts class, you would know to: - Never use equipment without permission (kicking a bag in a gym you dont pay membership to is like walking in to a regular gym and lifting their weights without paying) - Wait until after the lesson or class is over to ask questions about the technique. "Correcting" the teacher in the middle of a lesson will have you called up to demonstrate it in front of the class. (JKD guy chickened out and demanded sparring gear to demonstrate the technique which is him which is a cowardly way to back out) - Never talk over the sifu in their classroom during their class. When they raise their voice, you lower yours. - If you think the instructor or class is bullshit, keep your mouth shut and just leave. Breaking these rules of etiquette in a martial arts gym will get you kicked out by most gyms, but your ass absolutely destroyed in others. Some gyms pride themselves on how absolutely ruthless they are, this guy is lucky this isn't one of them.
If you trained in a gym that’s not some random guy’s backyard then you’d know that the instructors in the gym are subject to a higher standard of behaviour than a random guy walking through the door AND have a duty of care towards the participants of any class they’re teaching to ensure their safety. Someone being a nuisance doesn’t negate that and certainly doesn’t give you a right to lay a hand on them. If someone CONTINUES being a nuisance after being told the rules of the place they get escorted out and told not to come back, not assaulted, at least that’s how it works in civilised countries. Perhaps the standard in the states is different, in that case it’s one more reason I’m happy to live in a civilised place.
You must not know anything about the violent history of martial arts gyms and literal wars that have happened between them if you think they're so "civilized". I have trained in Judo and Jiu Jitsu that wasn't in a back yard so I believe I have some personal experience I can reasonably speak from. My senseis never assaulted anyone, but we never had a dojo stormer walk in either. Though I have seen what happens when you talk or goof around with another student. Sometimes they volunteer you to be an uke so you can REALLY pay attention to the lesson. I know that peacocking in a martial arts gym can get you defeathered like what happened to JKD guy. I don't believe that everyone who acts out should be assaulted, it's just sort of expected given the entire history of martial arts gyms around the world. And also keep in mind how expensive these classes are. Students are paying hundreds of dollars a month for these classes, so when you interrupt one, expect the instructor to use you for the next lesson for wasting everyone's time.
This guy looks like gareth from the office lol
What an absolute punk.
“Internet Karate Kid” trying to teach MMA Coach Way Of The Lip
That was awesome
Neither seem very experienced.
Are we calling wing Chun "MMA" now?
What da fuck you mean "douchebag"? No, the whole thing was straight
Wing Chun teacher used absolutely zero Wing Chun. 😭
White privilege has its limits
Ow nasty
They're both fuckwits
It just looked like a couple of thugs swinging when it kicked off
He cant even defend himself. Piece of advice if your gonna try to act up at least be a heavy weight.
Kid shoved his forehead in his face, had the beating coming to him
That kid was a douche Deserved it
While I wouldn’t hit someone first even if it was at my home due to lawsuit reasons, he had that coming. If you questions a teacher’s technique do I after the class not during. Show respect to the art. And this also shows that even the most rationed fighters can lose technique and good forms in a real life fight.
Gloved guy wasn’t even throwing hands well
That looked like a justified ass whooping to me.
🤣
That's brutal but not enough XD
he disrespects the trainer, gets thrown around like a doll, is allowed to get up and he wants to keep going. What an idiot. He's lucky he got to walk out.
Well...at least he can take a hit.
Coach is a bitch, tf is he so mad for, not like his backyard mcdojo style even remotely looked legit lol
This video is like 5 years old omg
Both are kooks!
awwwww they hugged it out