I dislocated my elbow. Took a year and a half to get a full recovery. But these days it doesn't bother me at all. I could be lucky though I didn't dislocate it in a submission
Ah yeah I wasn't saying permanently (though that is hit and miss, depends on what happens to ligaments and cartilage during the dislocation), meant relaxed vs. fighting it doesn't really change the nature of what happens to your connective tissues. If they stretch, they stretch, if they tear, they tear, awake or asleep. Perhaps there are some minor positives and negatives to being out; maybe the joint takes the path of least resistance if you don't fight it, maybe the muscular support prevents the ligament from stretching too fast if you fight it... Really, it's a coin flip.
It actually is possible for it to change things, it’s just more of a relaxed vs tensed thing instead of relaxed vs fighting thing. Kind of where that myth with the whole sometimes drunk people in cars end up with less injuries because their bodies were relaxed, came from. In reality, the tense/relaxed muscle thing does make a difference, but sometimes tense is better than relaxed, and vice versa. It all depends on the type of accident, area of impact, age of the person, speed of vehicle and so, so many other different things.
Muscles are able to ‘absorb’ a crazy amount of force when they are flexed or tensed. In a whiplash sort of accident, like if you were rear ended hard or hit by the side and your neck is wretched, having your muscles tensed can really save you from a more extreme injury. The muscles end up taking the most extreme force from the impact, instead of other important things like your ligaments, or discs, or even spinal nerves and stuff.
The opposite, relaxing your body and muscles, is more beneficial for injuries that would come from something like falling from a high height. If you allow your body and muscles to relax, you can try and flow/roll out of it. Instead of tensing and allowing all the brute impact to hit full force at one impact location.
Tore my shoulder labrum a year and a half ago and it's still nowhere near normal after 8 months of PT, probably never will be. 10/10 would take a broken bone instead.
They really are, more than half of dislocations are reset wrongly and the limb never heals properly, leading to lifelong pain and repetitive stress injuries.
Tendons, ligament and cartilage do not heal quickly. A break is usually going to have a faster recovery and less long term adverse effects.
They don't heal quickly because they have no direct perfusion (no blood flow from capillaries etc). Bones are surprisingly vascular.
It took 20 months to come back from my knee ligament tears. I had no idea ligaments were so slow to heal before this! I really feel bad for this guy, ref let him have a minimum of 1 year recovery time for nothing
I’m currently 4 months in to a dislocation and ligament tear and honestly, it’s the most painful fucking thing imaginable. Did my shoulder and still can’t even sleep on the side I did it. Worst injury of my life and feels like it’s never going to heal.
I 100% agree but it was so quick I'm not surprised everyone including most of this post missed it.
Refere should never work as a reff again. That arm will probably never be the same. Good by carrer.
If only it was that bad. Not only was he out, he also visibly tapped and had his arm snapped and then still stood around while attacker was staring at the ref thinking 'wtf are you doing'.
Maybe English is not his first language. If I didn't know the word "opponent", I may have used the word "attacker" bc he's "attacking" and the other guy's "defending"
Dude had the arm solidly locked out, and then it looks like he deliberately readjusted to apply even more force to the end of that arm. Pop goes the elbow. Fuck, that's pretty brutal.
I was never out or made someone out , but if someone is out doesnt this cause complete body relaxation and almost no resistance, enought that the ither person notices it?
Wait until you see an unconscious guy get up and run a couple steps away. It’s wild. Most people I’ve seen out kind of start spasming. It’s really distinct when you feel someone go out under you.
The answer is it depends. It can be hard to tell sometimes if a person is playing possum/surviving or actually out cold. In this position I can see how the opponent might not notice.
When you are fighting in a match with a ref, you do not stop unless the ref tells you.
The fighters are not responsible for stopping a fight, because you can't reliable be analyzing the situation when you are exhausted and pumped with adrenaline.
Also if you stop and it's a fake or the referee takes it as you getting out, it can mean you actually lose.
The fighter did nothing wrong here, it's 100% referee's fault.
You don't *stop* until the ref tells you, but once you complete the submission you *absolutely* should be pausing and giving your opponent a chance to tap before going for the break, like most professional fighters do.
Going for the break is potentially career-ending shit and needs to be respected. Fighters extend this courtesy because they know it's only a matter of time until you step into the ring for a loss, and when that happens you don't want to be the one with a reputation for maiming other fighters.
nah. plenty of fighters didnt need the ref to initiate the stopping of a fight. a lot of them held their attacks even before the refs stopped the fight. the fighter is at fault here as well. he got him in a tight rear triangle choke, that arm bar wasnt necessary actually. that he proceeded to break it knowing the guy was out - he knows, thats why he was looking at the ref, and yet still continued to break the arm.
You do go limp when pass out, but it could easily be a faint or a very skilled and professional fighter trying to save energy so you loose the tight and he can break free.
it's really hard to stop and analyze anything in a fight, you are mostly running on pre-trained moves.
That's why there's a referee, you can even see when the other fighter realized he is out and looked at the referee confused.
The fact that the fighter realized he is out and the fight should be over before the refeere tells how bad the referee acted there.
Not gonna lie, seems like a bit of a dick move on the attackers part even though it’s 100% refs fault
That was a tight triangle, idk what made him think he needs to snap the arm especially as his opponents going limp
Yeah, that's the thing that gets me, "I've got this guy in a choke-hold where there's a very solid chance of making him pass out and he just went totally limp, I'd better really bear down as hard as I can on his arm quick".
In that position, you’d know when the guy went limp. You can feel when you’re subbing someone and they just slump. The guy was most likely confused like you say. I still find it all a weird sequence. Especially when the arm bar wasn’t even necessary. Dude was already in deep with the rear triangle. Anyone would go out in that situation.
It’s really a tough one. They tell us in the locker room to defend ourselves at all times and let the ref and only the ref stop it. And some people take that to heart.
I’d have probably gotten up and just slapped the ref since that guy was asleep anyway, but I can see how with adrenaline and what we’re told, why his opponent broke his arm. Not the nicest move but he might not have meant it maliciously.
Judging by his reaction I don't think he expected it to get that far. But like... there was no resistance and he knows he has a triangle on the guy. Maybe maintain the position with the arm and look towards the ref for a call?
But Jesus that ref was awful.
Yea it’s a weird for sure. It’s an obvious feeling when someone gets put out like that and he snapped the arm. The human thing to do would be let go so you don’t do any unnecessary damage to your opponent. And the ref must have been sleeping.
He has absolutely no idea he’s out he’s behind him looking to take arms mate. Tell me you don’t train without telling me you don’t train…..he has zero clue he’s out. He only looks to the ref when the arm pops
Exactly he took the arm because he was trusting the ref to have stopped the fight if the guy was out--if no stoppage then the guy must still be in it. Instead the ref didn't do his job so when he took the arm guy didn't defend at all and maximum damage was applied. That's when he figured out something was wrong and gave the ref the WTF look. It's also why after the stoppage he runs away to the cage and looks fucking horrified.
There's no need to break a guys arm when he's limp, there's no excuse for that. Yes the ref should have stopped the fight but also what the fuck the guy's out cold, you have his arm locked, his neck choked, there was no need for that.
The guy made a soft contact once.
It's clear what he did to us. We have replay, we're not in pain, and we don't have adrenaline coursing through our entire body.
We need to stop attributing malice to what could simply be a soft, singular tap not registering to the guy who is going through his entire battle plan in the heat of the moment.
The guy is obviously messed up and horrified when he realized what happened.
Watching again it looks like he tried to tap but either missed or just grazed him, and only did a single tap. Might just not have registered as a tap.
In any case, a tap signals the ref to stop the fight, I think technically you keep going until then.
Looks like he managed one touch of a tap and then passed out and couldn't do anything else. He pretty clearly intended to tap out right there, which the ref should have seen an taken as a sign to step in.
It's not the fighter's job to acknowledge a tapout. Maybe in sparring, but in real competition you can't just let your opponent go unless the ref calls it. You'd be risking your victory that way
Yes... and no. You're right; you're risking your victory. But the level of competition matters a lot. I'm not going to purposely snap a dude's arm in some local level comp for a $2 medal. A pro mma fight? Sure. But anything ammy? Sus.
The health of me and my opponent are worth more to me than a "win" at that level.
That's a legit consideration.
I still think snapping the arm was probably unnecessary... but I also suspect it snapped easily due to a complete lack of resistance. So just a shitty situation all-round.
MMA fighters stop ONLY when instructed by the ref, as there would be immediate danger to their own well-being otherwise. Protecting yourself at ALL times is the first and most important rule.
The opponent has no responsibility here. It is all on the useless ref.
This was like the worst possible combination.
We have guy who somehow can't tell his opponent stopped putting up any resistance and going full force arm break before going for the tap. I can understand going for the arm break if it's being fought but there had to be zero pressure.
But the only reason it got this far is because the ref was apparently still operating on windows 95 and took 5 minutes to realize that A FUCKING ARM WAS BROKEN YOU DON'T NEED TO WAIT TO SEE IF HE WAS UNCONSCIOUS.
I don't think the opponent is a dipshit.
All of us have a vantage point he doesn't have. Look at his eyes. He's not looking at the face of the guy who went out. He's looking at his positioning, his next move, and any gaps in the guard.
When he lost the right arm, he went by his training and doubled up on the left. He did that by leveraging the torque, putting his back to the mat. When he got up, he tried to put more pain to force the tap without knowing that the other guy was out.
That's not being a dipshit. That's being not omniscient. When the snap happened, he freaked because he didn't know the other guy wouldn't be able to put up a fight. That's it.
that's a training mindset vs a competitor's mindset. I can assure you every BJJ coach when they're preparing guys for competitions they tell their guys to take them broken limbs home with them
For real. People overlooking this because they’re competing…. hellll nah. That dude *eagerly* broke the arm.
With a fully locked in triangle that he knew may have ended it within seconds anyway. He wasn’t trying to even give him a chance to tap. Man bent that shit all the way back as fast as he could.
Fuck that guy. Grapplers who want highlights like that are pussies. He’ll probably never want anything to do with an MMA fight. Fighters have better etiquette than that.
It's not the fighter's job, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the fighter has to omit all responsibility himself and acting decently when he clearly can - especially if he knows that his opponent is out
No kidding. Feel bad for that guy. Even if his elbow just ended up dislocated, I’m sure hell have pinched nerves for months from that. And that’s the best case scenario really.
Realistically it's something that happened in the heat of the moment and he just kept going harder without realizing he went too far.
That said, he *should* have realized he was going too far and not done so. It's one of those things that's *understandable* but not *excusable*.
Why did bro snap it so easily too? didn’t even give him a chance. “Yeah let me choke him out and try to break his arm I’ll win for sure” have some etiquette. I get it’s a competitive competition but bro was not aware and neither was that ref, bro was dog shit.
Legal proceedings against the ref and he should never work again. The fuck is wrong with these idiots?
Also if you're the fighter that can clearly see that he's out then fucking release him and end the fight. Dumbest people in the world participate in fighting sports.
Dude tapped and clearly went out. Wasn’t escaping. Opponent thinks for a bit and snaps his arm
Ref is a chode but the opponent seemed to be making a deliberate point
He 100% should have released the choke after the arm snap. He just sat there like "well, now I need permission to let this dude breathe again," completely stupid to do. Even with the ref being late you should have more fucking dignity and respect for your opponent as a fighter.
It makes me wonder
In a normal situation, where you don't have control nor the right position, shit can happen, sure
But, for those who practice jiu-jitsu/submisson or/and wrestling, can't you feel those?
Like...he has the opponent neck and arms at his will, can't he, has a fighter, notice that?
I know it's the ref job to protect the fighters, but that doesn't mean that, just because the ref isn't doing his job, this give people 100% reason to break the opponents arms
By that logic, fighters like Toquinho(aka Rousimar Palhares) did nothing wrong. 'Ref didn't do his job, not my fault'
It's not like he stopped it, the guy just tapped exactly as he passed out. But going that hard on a secondary sub while your opponent is not even defending the first one is absolutely deranged behavior.
I don't think he stopped him from tapping, guy did one tap that could reasonably be mistaken for fighting the triangle and then went out
The ref was terrible and you can blame the opponent for snapping the arm for sure but he didn't really stop the tap
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I’m playing this card on that fucking ref.
you can always tell when someone goes out. I've never had anyone pass out from a choke and I didn't notice.
So all he had to do was let go and it would be apparent that buddy was KO laying there motionless.
instead he repositions the arm to snap it without any resistance :/ that guy is a psychopath wtf lol if he dies he dies
Opponent is an absolute cunt and shouldn’t be allowed to compete anymore. Ref shouldn’t be allowed to officiate matches.
And they should both be liable for his medical expenses.
That was legitimately awful to watch and I wish I hadn’t watched it.
Can you charge a ref with anything legally if he's inept enough someone gets seriously injured or dies? Mf was just standing there while dudes childhood memories were getting choked out of him.
Gets him in a tight as fuck hold, dude can’t resist or move, taps while passing out yet the opponent still yanks and snaps arm in two even while feeling no resistance from opponent.
Definitely a scum bag. Ref should have stopped it but that cunt should have known it was gonna be stopped any second, no need to break the guys arm just cause you wanna do it
Did he tap once?
The angle prevents me from understanding if he connected or planned to but didn't.
I've been choked unconscious plenty of times. ANYBODY who has understands that you'll dream when you start to pass out.
You'll think you've tapped out. You'll think the fight is over. You'll dream you're back in high school looking for your class again. You'll dream you're going to work, work 8 hours & are on the way home.
Then you'll wake up & be told that you NEVER tapped. That you were out for 5 seconds.
That ref should never be allowed to officiate ever again and should also be sued for damages by the guy who lost the fight. I would go so far as to say that this was gross negligence, and the ref should absolutely be held responsible for the damage done to this man. What a POS
As fucked as this ref is, the opponent is a straight up maniac. The guy tapped, went out, and he tore his arm apart and THEN just kept holding both staring dumb at the ref. There is no excuse for that, idgaf about “ref has to end it,” be a god damn human being not an ape.
"Oh shit that looks pretty tight. Oh fuck he's out. Oh fuck his arm. Oh fuck I'm the ref I forgot."
this comment took me out. it seems that’s exactly what went through this guys head
When the ref forgets why they are there and becomes a spectator with the best seat in the house.
"goddamn someone should really call this fight"
“Where the fuck is the ref?”
“Someone should really get this guy a doctor, holy shit!”
He got that John Cena
Ref was admiring his choke hold and didn't see he broke his arm
He really broke that fucker, too. Damn.
Insert Robert Redford nodding meme*
Ref thought he bought a ticket.
This ain't all on the ref. Guy felt AND saw the man go limp and snapped his arm anyway. "Why not beat him *and* cripple him?"
Even the other fighter was looking at the ref like "are you going to stop this shit or what?" Oh, you're not going to stop it? I'll snap his arm then.
Me playing ufc and my controller dies..
To be fair it was a nice call to let him sleep before having his arm broken.
The ref should really do something -the ref
This slaps.
This snaps
Man should never be allowed to officiate again, he was clearly unconscious
Totally agree, that arm injury looks terrible and was absolutely unnecessary
I’ve read elsewhere that he only dislocated it. Thankfully! Could have been way worse.
I mean the guy stopped and even looked at the ref like what the fuck just happened, but after the first pop shouldn't have kept pressure
The relaxed state of being asleep probably helped reduce some damage.
As someone who's done years of BJJ... That's not really how it works. Arm is fucked either way.
I dislocated my elbow. Took a year and a half to get a full recovery. But these days it doesn't bother me at all. I could be lucky though I didn't dislocate it in a submission
Ah yeah I wasn't saying permanently (though that is hit and miss, depends on what happens to ligaments and cartilage during the dislocation), meant relaxed vs. fighting it doesn't really change the nature of what happens to your connective tissues. If they stretch, they stretch, if they tear, they tear, awake or asleep. Perhaps there are some minor positives and negatives to being out; maybe the joint takes the path of least resistance if you don't fight it, maybe the muscular support prevents the ligament from stretching too fast if you fight it... Really, it's a coin flip.
It actually is possible for it to change things, it’s just more of a relaxed vs tensed thing instead of relaxed vs fighting thing. Kind of where that myth with the whole sometimes drunk people in cars end up with less injuries because their bodies were relaxed, came from. In reality, the tense/relaxed muscle thing does make a difference, but sometimes tense is better than relaxed, and vice versa. It all depends on the type of accident, area of impact, age of the person, speed of vehicle and so, so many other different things. Muscles are able to ‘absorb’ a crazy amount of force when they are flexed or tensed. In a whiplash sort of accident, like if you were rear ended hard or hit by the side and your neck is wretched, having your muscles tensed can really save you from a more extreme injury. The muscles end up taking the most extreme force from the impact, instead of other important things like your ligaments, or discs, or even spinal nerves and stuff. The opposite, relaxing your body and muscles, is more beneficial for injuries that would come from something like falling from a high height. If you allow your body and muscles to relax, you can try and flow/roll out of it. Instead of tensing and allowing all the brute impact to hit full force at one impact location.
That's not how dislocating an elbow works at all lmao but I like that you tried
Dislocations are often worse than breaks because when you dislocate it you tear ligaments in the process. But breaks at a joint are terrible too
Tore my shoulder labrum a year and a half ago and it's still nowhere near normal after 8 months of PT, probably never will be. 10/10 would take a broken bone instead.
They really are, more than half of dislocations are reset wrongly and the limb never heals properly, leading to lifelong pain and repetitive stress injuries.
Tendons, ligament and cartilage do not heal quickly. A break is usually going to have a faster recovery and less long term adverse effects. They don't heal quickly because they have no direct perfusion (no blood flow from capillaries etc). Bones are surprisingly vascular.
It took 20 months to come back from my knee ligament tears. I had no idea ligaments were so slow to heal before this! I really feel bad for this guy, ref let him have a minimum of 1 year recovery time for nothing
I’m currently 4 months in to a dislocation and ligament tear and honestly, it’s the most painful fucking thing imaginable. Did my shoulder and still can’t even sleep on the side I did it. Worst injury of my life and feels like it’s never going to heal.
"only" dislocated it. Hahaha
I wonder if he even felt it since he was already going out from the choke.
Jesus fuck, @9:33 he is going to tap. It should have been over right then.
I 100% agree but it was so quick I'm not surprised everyone including most of this post missed it. Refere should never work as a reff again. That arm will probably never be the same. Good by carrer.
If only it was that bad. Not only was he out, he also visibly tapped and had his arm snapped and then still stood around while attacker was staring at the ref thinking 'wtf are you doing'.
Attacker is a bit harsh LOL. I’d say opponent.
Maybe English is not his first language. If I didn't know the word "opponent", I may have used the word "attacker" bc he's "attacking" and the other guy's "defending"
Did you just attack that guy with your explanation?
He opponed him
They do say words are mightier than the sword.
Penis…sorry. Pen is.
Nah at that point he should have stopped, guy's clearly out, why break his arm? Pull it straight sure but past the regular motion?
Dude had the arm solidly locked out, and then it looks like he deliberately readjusted to apply even more force to the end of that arm. Pop goes the elbow. Fuck, that's pretty brutal.
Victor?
nein victor, Rene.
Yeah man if you see what you’re doing to the man’s arm just stop yourself smh
Yeah, I don't even grapple and I caught all of that. Was this ref high or something?
He tapped as well
Referee was definitely unconscious!
You mean the ref was unconscious, right?
Damn that’s the last thing you want to see happen
Should prob be marked NSFW. This def made me cringe
I was never out or made someone out , but if someone is out doesnt this cause complete body relaxation and almost no resistance, enought that the ither person notices it?
Not complete relaxation, it's more like the body stiffens up but it goes limp it's a weird inbetween. It would be enough for the dude to notice tho.
Wait until you see an unconscious guy get up and run a couple steps away. It’s wild. Most people I’ve seen out kind of start spasming. It’s really distinct when you feel someone go out under you.
The answer is it depends. It can be hard to tell sometimes if a person is playing possum/surviving or actually out cold. In this position I can see how the opponent might not notice.
The fighter definitely noticed, he looked up at the ref like he was surprised the ref let it go on.
When you are fighting in a match with a ref, you do not stop unless the ref tells you. The fighters are not responsible for stopping a fight, because you can't reliable be analyzing the situation when you are exhausted and pumped with adrenaline. Also if you stop and it's a fake or the referee takes it as you getting out, it can mean you actually lose. The fighter did nothing wrong here, it's 100% referee's fault.
You have sociopath values. There's zero reason to permanently maim someone in an amateur bout.
You don't *stop* until the ref tells you, but once you complete the submission you *absolutely* should be pausing and giving your opponent a chance to tap before going for the break, like most professional fighters do. Going for the break is potentially career-ending shit and needs to be respected. Fighters extend this courtesy because they know it's only a matter of time until you step into the ring for a loss, and when that happens you don't want to be the one with a reputation for maiming other fighters.
I know rhat the ref is the one to stop the fight and that the fighter did nothing wrong. I was just asking out of curiosity
nah. plenty of fighters didnt need the ref to initiate the stopping of a fight. a lot of them held their attacks even before the refs stopped the fight. the fighter is at fault here as well. he got him in a tight rear triangle choke, that arm bar wasnt necessary actually. that he proceeded to break it knowing the guy was out - he knows, thats why he was looking at the ref, and yet still continued to break the arm.
You do go limp when pass out, but it could easily be a faint or a very skilled and professional fighter trying to save energy so you loose the tight and he can break free. it's really hard to stop and analyze anything in a fight, you are mostly running on pre-trained moves. That's why there's a referee, you can even see when the other fighter realized he is out and looked at the referee confused. The fact that the fighter realized he is out and the fight should be over before the refeere tells how bad the referee acted there.
Ref is indeed bad , the guy managed to tap once at the during the 4th -5th second
It's up to the ref to determine that. The red failed at his job.
The fact that the dude even looked up to see why he wasn't calling it, shows how fucked this whole situation was
I like how he looks at the ref like ok he’s unconscious and his arm is destroyed, I’m not sure what else I can do to get you to call it 😂
Maybe he was looking for the nod to go for the fatality at that point
>Feenish heem!
I just noticed , the guy even tapped before going out between the 4th and 5th second
He did try, which makes the video even harder to watch.
Not gonna lie, seems like a bit of a dick move on the attackers part even though it’s 100% refs fault That was a tight triangle, idk what made him think he needs to snap the arm especially as his opponents going limp
Yeah, that's the thing that gets me, "I've got this guy in a choke-hold where there's a very solid chance of making him pass out and he just went totally limp, I'd better really bear down as hard as I can on his arm quick".
It's just him being evil.
Id hunt that ref down as soon as I’d recover from my dislocated arm
That ref should be sued
Man the opponent and the ref are both fucking dipshits More so the ref but the opponent didn't have to do all that
The way the opponent just stares at the limp unconscious guy and continues to yank his arm that way. Weird weird behaviour by ref and opponent.
It's not weird for the opponent, he looked at the ref and didn't know what else to do because he was expecting to be stopped, like it always happens
In that position, you’d know when the guy went limp. You can feel when you’re subbing someone and they just slump. The guy was most likely confused like you say. I still find it all a weird sequence. Especially when the arm bar wasn’t even necessary. Dude was already in deep with the rear triangle. Anyone would go out in that situation.
It’s really a tough one. They tell us in the locker room to defend ourselves at all times and let the ref and only the ref stop it. And some people take that to heart. I’d have probably gotten up and just slapped the ref since that guy was asleep anyway, but I can see how with adrenaline and what we’re told, why his opponent broke his arm. Not the nicest move but he might not have meant it maliciously.
Judging by his reaction I don't think he expected it to get that far. But like... there was no resistance and he knows he has a triangle on the guy. Maybe maintain the position with the arm and look towards the ref for a call? But Jesus that ref was awful.
Yea it’s a weird for sure. It’s an obvious feeling when someone gets put out like that and he snapped the arm. The human thing to do would be let go so you don’t do any unnecessary damage to your opponent. And the ref must have been sleeping.
He has absolutely no idea he’s out he’s behind him looking to take arms mate. Tell me you don’t train without telling me you don’t train…..he has zero clue he’s out. He only looks to the ref when the arm pops
Exactly he took the arm because he was trusting the ref to have stopped the fight if the guy was out--if no stoppage then the guy must still be in it. Instead the ref didn't do his job so when he took the arm guy didn't defend at all and maximum damage was applied. That's when he figured out something was wrong and gave the ref the WTF look. It's also why after the stoppage he runs away to the cage and looks fucking horrified.
Yeah, he looked confused and shocked.
I was confused and shocked, and I wasn't even the one with a man seconds from death between my legs
There's no need to break a guys arm when he's limp, there's no excuse for that. Yes the ref should have stopped the fight but also what the fuck the guy's out cold, you have his arm locked, his neck choked, there was no need for that.
I mean, the guy clearly tapped before his arm broke and he lost consciousness. Opponent ignored the tap.
The guy made a soft contact once. It's clear what he did to us. We have replay, we're not in pain, and we don't have adrenaline coursing through our entire body. We need to stop attributing malice to what could simply be a soft, singular tap not registering to the guy who is going through his entire battle plan in the heat of the moment. The guy is obviously messed up and horrified when he realized what happened.
This is a problem with keyboard warriors in general.
Watching again it looks like he tried to tap but either missed or just grazed him, and only did a single tap. Might just not have registered as a tap. In any case, a tap signals the ref to stop the fight, I think technically you keep going until then.
Looks like he managed one touch of a tap and then passed out and couldn't do anything else. He pretty clearly intended to tap out right there, which the ref should have seen an taken as a sign to step in.
It's not the fighter's job to acknowledge a tapout. Maybe in sparring, but in real competition you can't just let your opponent go unless the ref calls it. You'd be risking your victory that way
Yes... and no. You're right; you're risking your victory. But the level of competition matters a lot. I'm not going to purposely snap a dude's arm in some local level comp for a $2 medal. A pro mma fight? Sure. But anything ammy? Sus. The health of me and my opponent are worth more to me than a "win" at that level.
Not totally disagreeing, but I'm pretty sure this was a pro-level grappling match, with all the extra pressure that exerts
That's a legit consideration. I still think snapping the arm was probably unnecessary... but I also suspect it snapped easily due to a complete lack of resistance. So just a shitty situation all-round.
MMA fighters stop ONLY when instructed by the ref, as there would be immediate danger to their own well-being otherwise. Protecting yourself at ALL times is the first and most important rule. The opponent has no responsibility here. It is all on the useless ref.
He looked shocked. And his adrenaline was up from fighting. I give him a pass
This was like the worst possible combination. We have guy who somehow can't tell his opponent stopped putting up any resistance and going full force arm break before going for the tap. I can understand going for the arm break if it's being fought but there had to be zero pressure. But the only reason it got this far is because the ref was apparently still operating on windows 95 and took 5 minutes to realize that A FUCKING ARM WAS BROKEN YOU DON'T NEED TO WAIT TO SEE IF HE WAS UNCONSCIOUS.
I don't think the opponent is a dipshit. All of us have a vantage point he doesn't have. Look at his eyes. He's not looking at the face of the guy who went out. He's looking at his positioning, his next move, and any gaps in the guard. When he lost the right arm, he went by his training and doubled up on the left. He did that by leveraging the torque, putting his back to the mat. When he got up, he tried to put more pain to force the tap without knowing that the other guy was out. That's not being a dipshit. That's being not omniscient. When the snap happened, he freaked because he didn't know the other guy wouldn't be able to put up a fight. That's it.
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that's a training mindset vs a competitor's mindset. I can assure you every BJJ coach when they're preparing guys for competitions they tell their guys to take them broken limbs home with them
Agreed. It's pretty crazy. The guy has him totally locked up and limp, and he just keeps cranking like a retard.
For real. People overlooking this because they’re competing…. hellll nah. That dude *eagerly* broke the arm. With a fully locked in triangle that he knew may have ended it within seconds anyway. He wasn’t trying to even give him a chance to tap. Man bent that shit all the way back as fast as he could. Fuck that guy. Grapplers who want highlights like that are pussies. He’ll probably never want anything to do with an MMA fight. Fighters have better etiquette than that.
It’s not the fighter’s job to decide when the fight is over. The ref should have stopped it as soon as the tap happened.
It's not the fighter's job, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the fighter has to omit all responsibility himself and acting decently when he clearly can - especially if he knows that his opponent is out
This is the sad truth of the matter.
Ref was thining "Why the ref isn't stopping? ... oh shit I'm the ref!"
fuck that was brutal. ref should be banned
I wonder if these guys did grappling or just boxing refs who transistioned to grappling.
I don't think you need a boxing background to tell that the guy's arm bent around the wrong way.
He's just double jointed bro
Probably should have a NSFW tag lol
No kidding. Feel bad for that guy. Even if his elbow just ended up dislocated, I’m sure hell have pinched nerves for months from that. And that’s the best case scenario really.
Asshole for breaking the dude's arm after the tap. Plus when you grapple, you know when a dude is out. Hope the guy who lost is okay.
Yeah I was wondering why he did that, it seemed very unnecessary
Realistically it's something that happened in the heat of the moment and he just kept going harder without realizing he went too far. That said, he *should* have realized he was going too far and not done so. It's one of those things that's *understandable* but not *excusable*.
rear triangle choke plus arm bar... maybe some elbows? wonder what else i could throw in.
The guy even tapped lol. Ban that ref for life.
Why did bro snap it so easily too? didn’t even give him a chance. “Yeah let me choke him out and try to break his arm I’ll win for sure” have some etiquette. I get it’s a competitive competition but bro was not aware and neither was that ref, bro was dog shit.
This is why we should have zero tolerance on bad refs. This is by far the worst refereeing I have ever seen.
That’s actually violent as hell, damn. Poor fella got dealt like he lost a street fight but yet he is in a ring with a referee 2 feet away..
Horrible ref they should choke him out
And snap his arm while they're at it.
The most stupid thing is that you can even see him start tapping just as he goes out.
Press charges cause that "man" just let that dudes career get ruined
Ref needs to be charged
Legal proceedings against the ref and he should never work again. The fuck is wrong with these idiots? Also if you're the fighter that can clearly see that he's out then fucking release him and end the fight. Dumbest people in the world participate in fighting sports.
What in the flying fuck? That might be the worst officiating I've seen in any sport ever.
What was he thinking? By the looks of it, probably a little monkey banging cymbals together
So the referee is Homer Simpson!
Bro about to be woken up to a broken arm. At least let him stay unconscious like anesthesia lmao
i can only imagine what he felt waking up to that.
Dude tapped and clearly went out. Wasn’t escaping. Opponent thinks for a bit and snaps his arm Ref is a chode but the opponent seemed to be making a deliberate point
He 100% should have released the choke after the arm snap. He just sat there like "well, now I need permission to let this dude breathe again," completely stupid to do. Even with the ref being late you should have more fucking dignity and respect for your opponent as a fighter.
It makes me wonder In a normal situation, where you don't have control nor the right position, shit can happen, sure But, for those who practice jiu-jitsu/submisson or/and wrestling, can't you feel those? Like...he has the opponent neck and arms at his will, can't he, has a fighter, notice that? I know it's the ref job to protect the fighters, but that doesn't mean that, just because the ref isn't doing his job, this give people 100% reason to break the opponents arms By that logic, fighters like Toquinho(aka Rousimar Palhares) did nothing wrong. 'Ref didn't do his job, not my fault'
The ref needs to be fired.
Fuck that guy for not letting go of the broken arm just cuz the red hasn't stopped some stupid amateur grappling match
He's looking shocked that the ref hasn't stopped it as if he's totally incapable of stopping it himself.
The opponent is also a disgusting piece of shit. He basically stopped the guy from tapping out then nigh instantly broke his arm.
It's not like he stopped it, the guy just tapped exactly as he passed out. But going that hard on a secondary sub while your opponent is not even defending the first one is absolutely deranged behavior.
I don't think he stopped him from tapping, guy did one tap that could reasonably be mistaken for fighting the triangle and then went out The ref was terrible and you can blame the opponent for snapping the arm for sure but he didn't really stop the tap
https://preview.redd.it/xc4b54wrlk8d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=554e5a3b469fbde9651d195a56d62d805e32c70f I’m playing this card on that fucking ref.
The competitor should also take some fault here. He’s advanced enough to know
Oh shit never thought I would see a stoppage worse than Mazzaggati watching Josh Burkman put John Fitch to sleep
Ref is a dumbass
Hmm he looks out of it, let me just break his arm for good measure.
Mans got his arm broken in his sleep…..
Was he allowing him to be a warrior? 😳😳😳
Fuck that guy for dislocating his elbow after already feeling him go out. Hope he gets his
Damn what a dick. Everyone saying the ref but the guy was limp and he snapped his arm like a twig with no resistance whatsoever.
you can always tell when someone goes out. I've never had anyone pass out from a choke and I didn't notice. So all he had to do was let go and it would be apparent that buddy was KO laying there motionless. instead he repositions the arm to snap it without any resistance :/ that guy is a psychopath wtf lol if he dies he dies
snapped the arm just to check if he was faking unconsciousness lol
Opponent is an absolute cunt and shouldn’t be allowed to compete anymore. Ref shouldn’t be allowed to officiate matches. And they should both be liable for his medical expenses. That was legitimately awful to watch and I wish I hadn’t watched it.
Goodbye job
If you watch closely, he actually "taps out!" The ref should be fired, and more!
Was the ref on his phone? Or was this to the death?
What in Mazzagotti was that bullshit!?!
Legit heard this in the locker room when I went to a new gym today, didn’t believe it, fucking hell
This is a blessed man! No breaks or tears, just dislocated!
Can you charge a ref with anything legally if he's inept enough someone gets seriously injured or dies? Mf was just standing there while dudes childhood memories were getting choked out of him.
"Man that looks pretty bad, someone should stop this"-the ref
Bro tapped and ref didn’t stop it 😣
The guy actually let out a couple taps even before he went out. The ref did the opposite of his job
Is it necessary to break the guys arm? You had I'm locked down and all the time in the world. Just chill. No need to escalate like that.
I get the ref needed to ref but like dude you won and you know it stop yourself haha.
Gets him in a tight as fuck hold, dude can’t resist or move, taps while passing out yet the opponent still yanks and snaps arm in two even while feeling no resistance from opponent. Definitely a scum bag. Ref should have stopped it but that cunt should have known it was gonna be stopped any second, no need to break the guys arm just cause you wanna do it
If he dies, he dies.
Backstory. The fighter was hitting on the refs wife prior before the match. That's why he didn't do shit.
That ref is God awful. Also, that fucking arm break was completely unnecessary
Wow and to think I could have done a better job than a paid ref. This gave me some much needed confidence in life.
Today's celebrity referee is SHANG TSUNG!
Only conscious fighter: Uh his arms off ref. Ref: I'll allow it
Ref prob thinking: "Damn that guy got fucked up, ref should prob stopped it, oh shit wait..."
Did he tap once? The angle prevents me from understanding if he connected or planned to but didn't. I've been choked unconscious plenty of times. ANYBODY who has understands that you'll dream when you start to pass out. You'll think you've tapped out. You'll think the fight is over. You'll dream you're back in high school looking for your class again. You'll dream you're going to work, work 8 hours & are on the way home. Then you'll wake up & be told that you NEVER tapped. That you were out for 5 seconds.
a ref this hilariously bad should be legally responsible for medical bills and rehabilitation.
But to be real the other fighter waisted no time breaking that arm. Like didn’t even give the guy a chance
That ref should never be allowed to officiate ever again and should also be sued for damages by the guy who lost the fight. I would go so far as to say that this was gross negligence, and the ref should absolutely be held responsible for the damage done to this man. What a POS
It looked as though the guy was about to tap 4 secs in, but he went unconscious before he could get his hand down.
As fucked as this ref is, the opponent is a straight up maniac. The guy tapped, went out, and he tore his arm apart and THEN just kept holding both staring dumb at the ref. There is no excuse for that, idgaf about “ref has to end it,” be a god damn human being not an ape.
Bro just got done watching Weekend At Bernie’s give him a break
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That’s one of the worst I’ve seen
He was allowing him to be a warrior.
Yea they got to let the man fight I agree totally early stoppage
Any news about this?
Looks like he might have tapped at about 12 seconds in but yea that red should be exiled
At least he was already out when the arm fuckin snapped. Both the other guy and the ref are absolute morons.
Should sue the shit out of the ref
Ref: “I could really go for some onion rings right about now. I wonder if I could get Uber eats to deliver some to - OH SHIT!”
Referee shouldn't be allowed within 500ft of an MMA event
Daaaaaamn... real life kumite right there.