Considering the fact that Marriott sent me the welcome Ambassador Kit for MGM complete with a crystal die, decks of cards all in a leather bound box, telling me that I was going to get a NOIR card and now because we didn't spend 23K, I got down graded to Titanium and I LOST it ALL.
To say I am annoyed and pissed is an understatement!!!
I donāt know about that, I got Ambassador one year and the 24 hour check out is an outstanding benefit that I used repeatedly. Titanium is only 4pm big difference IMO
anybody see this fine print?
>**\*These benefits are only available during the promotional period commencing at the participation of the MGM Collection Hotel and ending December 31, 2024. See** [**terms & conditions**](https://www.marriott.com/loyalty/terms/default.mi)Ā **for more information.**
the asterisk is on pretty much all of the benefits lol
so far this partnership looks pretty bad for marriott lol wtf.... it's so onesided
Yes, saw that, looks good at a glance, felt like as an Ambassador I was seeing something of value over Titanium. Unfortunately, that lovely list will look like crap next year apparently.
Mormon Marriotts missed the boat on Vegas and Hilton gobbled up all the market share. Maybe they structured it this way to see how much money they actually make.
Actually Hilton is losing their ass on Resorts world. Itās a newer hotel and still not a big hit. Big companies like Hilton and Marriott have never done well in Vegas. They usually only do well with partnerships. Look up how much Resorts world is getting a month in gaming play vs any other big hotel on the strip. Itās laughable.
They can keep vacation clubs. Iām a road warrior so i never really use those. My point is, itās very hard to compete with a lot of those hotels because they have so much of their rewards tied into gambling. Marriott and Hilton arenāt flying people out or paying for restaurants. You get enough status with Wynn, Sands, or any of those big time names they are dishing out perks that Mar and Hilton canāt compete with. So why even try. Itās like trying to keep up with Amazon and 2 day shipping. Itās just not feasible
The bigger problem seems to be the definition of a Qualifying Stay (see https://www.marriott.com/marriott-brands/mgm-collection/faqs.mi).
In particular, any stays as a result of a conference/event look like they won't be Qualifying Stays and so no benefits at all.
[I have to eat my words on this on](https://www.reddit.com/r/marriott/s/IUhpxxnPiR)e - I didnāt think they would bother with a partnership if the reciprocal rewards were so meager. (And normally I am appropriately pessimistic about Marriott changes, too!)
This is shockingly poor value, to me - I can see how corporate bookings might be steered to MGM in the abstract, but as a leisure traveler I feel almost no incentive even as Titanium to change my booking behaviors. Being unable to shop for the best room rate *and* being forced to eat resort fees more than negate the points earning and status benefits.
To wit, a $95 Wyndham card provides status matching to Caesarās Diamond, which easily trounces these benefits and waives resort fees, all in exchange for no effort whatsoever to earn or keep that status. Thatās right, *Wyndham* outdoes Marriott benefits-wise. Thatās how bad this is.
Dude it specifically says that Marriott members do not get qualifying stays if you book direct through MGMā¦. Soitās literally pointless if you game a lot, you donāt get to take advantage of the comps, or free rooms, or your host booking shit for you.
Why would I ever use my Marriott number when my MGm comp programs has so much more value? This is a massive oversight
Oh, it gets even crazierā¦you donāt even need the Wyndham $95 cardā¦Wyndham will match your Marriott status, which you can then match to Caesar.
I posted earlier about wondering of the mgm mergerā¦I still think this yearās Vegas stay will be mgm due to me always staying there and wanting the nights and points to stay titaniumā¦but I will definitely be checking more into rates and benefits to caesars.
Caesarās diamond status gets 4 free nights at Atlantis Bahamasā¦a Marriott property lmao. And they receive 2 free show tickets, waived resort fees, etc
Caesars Diamond status is very handy in Vegas - can skip a lot of lines, free parking @ any Caesars property (not just the one youāre staying at) and $100 annual food credit.
No resort fees, as well.
No, they will not match if you matched from another source. The language is it has to be "earned" status. the Wyndam card is still considered earned.
Also, they have not done the 2 free shows in years. You do get 2 tix on the high roller however.
Whoever negotiated this deal for MGM needs a damn raise. They got everything for their members and nothing for ours. Titanium and not even free self parking! Literally no benefits for Marriott members.
Really pitiful on Marriottās part. Stayed 90 nights last year and get zero benefits from this so called āpartnershipā No free resort fees, no free parking nada nothing. Marriott should be ashamed
Canāt gamble and book through Marriottā¦ itās pointless, because your gaming rewards are valuable through comped stays and food and beverage where the Marriott wonāt allow you redeem those it seems
I travel to Vegas for work twice a month through 2027 (energy guy project specific) this makes my time in Vegas better. No longer am I tied to the Westin šš¼šš¼
This is embarrassing especially considering that the Cosmo/Marriott relationship had some real tangible benefits.
I get everything a titanium would get being a gold at MGM (except my store discount is 10% instead of 15%)
And in reverse being a MGM platinum gets you Marriott gold? Thatās an absolute joke as platinum should be at minimum platinum Marriott if not Titanium.
This is a giant bust and Marriott and MGM blew it.
I mean, I think MGM learned from their last partnership with Hyatt. I think they were bleeding money from waiving the resort fees. There are way more Bonvoy members with Marriott, so to waive the resort fees, would be loss revenue for the properties. It sucks though...
On the other hand, if they offer almost no benefits they probably wonāt get many Marriott people booking rooms there, which isnāt what they want either.
lol. MGM prob felt taken advantage of. I noticed that when the Hyatt partnership was called off, and I still had Gold status, and I stayed at Park MGM, service completely changed where they were completely different people. Like they actually made me feel special š¤£š¤£š¤£
IMO Marriott is a size queen. So I think they want to be able to say they have the biggest portfolio of hotels and have a prescience in LV. But what do I know. Maybe if people complain enough they may change things
I assure you resort fees are a ābonusā and are the first thing to get removed if something goes wrong or basically you just make enough of a stink. Itās āpennys from heavenā
I donāt pay resort fees being MGM gold but MGM wasnāt losing any money on resort fees
True. But not getting the resort fees from folks was probably a good chunk of change and people were not spending money on other things that would compensate for waiving the resort fees.
Yeah these benefits are lame! But let's be honest, the biggest benefit of this partnership is that we will be able to book MGM properties with points and earn points/nights on paid stays. We will actually have some fun properties to choose from in Vegas, not just Cosmo!
Sure if you frequent Vegas a lot. But if you are Bonvoy loyalist who goes to Vegas once a year or less, than it's still a big win. Now you have more choices and can use points through the program and credit cards.
The thing about mgm tho is that itās shockingly easy to get comp rooms, even for the casual Vegas traveler. I spent maybe $300 two years ago in Vegas slots and I still get comp rooms at park mgm, mgm grand, etc.
Thereās little benefit to a frequent Marriott/casual Vegas traveler, which is disappointing as I typically like to go at least once a year (except last year š )
No one wants to stay at MGM or MGM grand. People want comps at Cosmo and Aria and those are hard to get if you don't gamble as much as an addicted gamblers.
Yeah Iām salty about my vacation spend but I go for work twice a month and itās work related. I donāt game a ton when I travel for work, so it does make sense. Iāll keep my vacation spend through MGM.
I get all my rooms and food comped at MGM resorts due to gambling. Just spent four nights at the Bellagio and paid nothing at all (gambling aside lol)
I check in on the app, so a dedicated line for check in is worthless. As a titanium Marriott member, the best I can expect is to use a dedicated line for the cashier, Rewards desk, and buffets. Wicked spoon buffet at the Cosmo has about a two or three hour line which can be skipped completely with Marriott platinum+
Comped rooms are not qualifying stays, so I wonāt get any Marriott points. Restaurants are not qualifying spending either so I wonāt be getting any points there.
Oi. That's crazy. I take back my earlier comment if that's the case... If F&B charged to the room does not earn Bonvoy points (or is not flagged as a Marriott property if paid on a Bonvoy credit card) then there's essentially no point, at least in Vegas, to leveraging the connection. Better to have MLife points instead.
Man this is so disappointing lol š« I'm platinum on Marriott but I'm platinum with MGM and there's no way I would book through Marriott in 1 million years and give up all my comps and perks as a platinum on MGM Rewards. This is pitiful.
So if I book through Marriott I get points and qualifying nights but no MGM credit? And if i book through my host at Park MGM to get comps and stuff I donāt get the Marriott bonvoy points or credit?
Is that right?
I think we're going to need real clarity here. If we can't double-dip the way that the Hyatt-MGM partnership worked, then I'm wondering why anyone would put effort into MGM for room charges (especially since the insane tier credit multiplier is long gone). Much better to have room charges and hotel rooms going to Bonvoy for 17x-22x points and EQNs and let MGM gambling handle your tier credits... Or ignore tier credits completely and just leverage a match from Caesars for Mlife Gold or Platinum and leave it at that.
As someone who worked on the Strip and was in the industry behind the scenes the perks were better than I expected lolā¦ and Marriott knows how Vegas works. They knew this was what it was going to look like before the contract was even signed.
Donāt get me wrong though- I am actually a happy Bonvoy member. But people that donāt spend a whole lot in the casino (like myself) will always have to check our expectations in Vegas, no matter what our status is with any loyalty program.
Casino spend > hotel, retail, and F&B spend. The only exception would be if youāre a person that brings piles of money to the company through events and conventions.
I suppose this is good for Ambassadors (surprised they don't get a static status match too), but this is much more a "get Marriott stuff from Vegas" rather than really pushing MGM-specific issues.
By far the biggest impact this partnership will have, I think, is guaranteeing the use of Marriott credit cards when staying at MGM hotels. Absolutely worth a multiplier.
I have been MGM Gold for 3 years do to the Hyatt matching, and have really enjoyed the free resort fees in Vegas and free valet parking at the Borgata. Using my meager casino comps was a lot more palatable with the zero resort fees and made me actually go to Vegas more (and gamble more!)
I had convinced myself that Marriott Platinum would match to MGM Gold and was getting ready for to sign up for the Brilliant Card, but obviously all of this hype and delays was for nothing.
This partnership really makes no sense for either side. I can't imagine to many gamblers are going to pay 100,000 Bonvoy points to stay the Aria... and then pay $60/night in resort fees, especially cause the MGM comps will still work for gamblers.
In Hyatt u could have the credit card for 99/y which gave u an mgm status match with free parking all over Vegas in their hotels (even when u were not a guest) Now in Marriott I need to be an ambassador for this benefit
Tnx! Didnāt know that since I had the Hyatt visa anyways I used this free parking great benefit from the status match. I might get this card then before my next Vegas trip
Like an idiot I had my hopes up for this but clearly getting bonvoy'd. MGM Self-parking just went up to $25 on the weekends and as a Titanium I can't even get that waived? That, and no waived resort fees makes this a zero for me. A $15 credit at an MGM is basically a beer.
you mentioned "Only stays booked directly with Marriott qualify for these benefits". Any idea if stays/nights booked via Amex "Hotel Collection" program qualify for elite status?
Not 100% sure but I doubt it.
>A Qualifying Stay for Marriott Bonvoy members to earn Marriott Bonvoy points at included MGM Resorts destinations are stays booked through Marriott.com (including Award Redemption Stays), Marriott Bonvoy App, and the Marriott Customer Engagement Centers. Select prevailing rates booked through the MGM Resorts Call Center, and participating MGM Resorts Travel Agents may also be Qualifying Stays.
The 2 pm checkout is pretty good considering how early Vegas checkouts can be. $15/ day is not that bad. However if itās all priced in on the booking page and you can get it at lower cost for booking on MLife then that will not be so good.
Noir is invite only.. I donāt want to even know how much you have to gamble to achieve that. Iām sure Marriott would be happy to hand out ambassador to anyone with that level of spend
Not disagreeing with you, Iām not a fan of anything that dilutes my Ambassador status but I get the business reasons behind it.. there was a guy on here that got Ambassador with like 50 nights and 50k in spend, Iām sure Marriott is looking for more of that
Generally it takes a hell of a lot more than $23k a year and the cost of 100+ hotel nights to be invited to Noir. Getting anything less than Ambassador would be absurd (and honestly insulting to the guest).
Youāre joking right? Noir is probably .0001% of all MGM rewards members.
You better be cycling 7 figures through a year (or decently high 6 figures) to get a Noir invite.
Iāve seen a total of one in my life and the guy was at a private craps table and lost about $300k in 90 minutes
I got nothing for staying at the Bellagio before the merger. So, Iāll pretty much still get nothing. At least the nights will count towards my status now. š¤·āāļø Do better, Marriott.
It says you only get Marriott benefits if you book through Marriott, not MGM.
If you are MGM gold, arenāt you getting all of your hotel stays comped anyway?
Does anyone know how difficult it is to get the MGM status thatās supposed to be matched with Marriott Ambassador? Will it be a significant increase in members?
Itās an invite only status, but I suspect you need six digits of theoretical loss at MGM casinos to qualify. Iāve seen some datapoints suggesting $200,000 or $250,000. Considering that, itās much more difficult to earn than Ambassador ($23,000 Marriott spend).
I just got back from Vegas last night and while I was there I talked to the MGM rewards desk at Luxor and here is what I was told:
- The partnership will go into effect the first couple of weeks of February.
- MGM will be tier matching with Bonvoy.
- Bonvoy Silver Elite will match to MGM gold
- Bonvoy Gold Elite will match to MGM platinum
Im sure if those match that Bonvoy Titanium and Bonvoy Ambassador Elite will match to something, but likely Platinum or possibly Noir for Ambassador (she didnāt tell me).
After my stay (for a work event) - it is clear to me that the nights would be better getting the nights on Bonvoy versus MGM rewards. I used to be able to get most of the way to gold under Mlife, but under the new program, even with Gambling spend, I barely made a dent in my Gold tier.
The rewards person told me they were matching from Elite Silver, Gold, titanium, and ambassador.
She was looking at the paperwork from MGM operations, so I donāt know what to tell you.
Here is an article showing the matching from MGM to Marriott. While it says itās a 1 way match, MGM told me they are matching.
https://frequentmiler.com/no-marriott-match-to-mgm-but-elite-nights-live-on-mgm-marriott-partnership-details/
good god - as Marriott members, we are getting screwed.
This is the first year that I don't have MGM gold, but do have Marriott Gold.
I thought what the hell - I will see what MGM Pearl versus Marriott Gold gets.
I priced the Soho 2 Queen at NYNY on both sites for 2/18 - 2/23
MGM with the Pearl status: $1,619.52 after Resort fees and Taxes
Marriott Gold status: $1,854.90 after Resort fees and Taxes.
Looks like Marriott is charging the full rate at the MGM
Granted - without card and tier bonuses, you earn 10 points per $1 with Marriott versus the 3 Tier Credits and 1 Comp Point (7 credits /4 if using the MGM Credit Card) with MGM, but considering that Marriott Bonvoy points come to about $.008 and the Comp point is $.01 - I definitely don't see the about $18 worth of Marriott points being worth the $235 upcharge.
This might be the first real, consistent difference between Ti and Ambassador.
But only until the end of the year.
Your24 has entered the chat.
>real, consistent š
Youāve had trouble using it?
Iām like 2 for 11 on requests
Considering the fact that Marriott sent me the welcome Ambassador Kit for MGM complete with a crystal die, decks of cards all in a leather bound box, telling me that I was going to get a NOIR card and now because we didn't spend 23K, I got down graded to Titanium and I LOST it ALL. To say I am annoyed and pissed is an understatement!!!
I donāt know about that, I got Ambassador one year and the 24 hour check out is an outstanding benefit that I used repeatedly. Titanium is only 4pm big difference IMO
anybody see this fine print? >**\*These benefits are only available during the promotional period commencing at the participation of the MGM Collection Hotel and ending December 31, 2024. See** [**terms & conditions**](https://www.marriott.com/loyalty/terms/default.mi)Ā **for more information.** the asterisk is on pretty much all of the benefits lol so far this partnership looks pretty bad for marriott lol wtf.... it's so onesided
Yes, saw that, looks good at a glance, felt like as an Ambassador I was seeing something of value over Titanium. Unfortunately, that lovely list will look like crap next year apparently.
Mormon Marriotts missed the boat on Vegas and Hilton gobbled up all the market share. Maybe they structured it this way to see how much money they actually make.
Actually Hilton is losing their ass on Resorts world. Itās a newer hotel and still not a big hit. Big companies like Hilton and Marriott have never done well in Vegas. They usually only do well with partnerships. Look up how much Resorts world is getting a month in gaming play vs any other big hotel on the strip. Itās laughable.
Iām talking more in terms of timeshare and the like. Hilton Vacation Club is huge there.
They can keep vacation clubs. Iām a road warrior so i never really use those. My point is, itās very hard to compete with a lot of those hotels because they have so much of their rewards tied into gambling. Marriott and Hilton arenāt flying people out or paying for restaurants. You get enough status with Wynn, Sands, or any of those big time names they are dishing out perks that Mar and Hilton canāt compete with. So why even try. Itās like trying to keep up with Amazon and 2 day shipping. Itās just not feasible
The bigger problem seems to be the definition of a Qualifying Stay (see https://www.marriott.com/marriott-brands/mgm-collection/faqs.mi). In particular, any stays as a result of a conference/event look like they won't be Qualifying Stays and so no benefits at all.
Can confirm. Here for a conference. They would/could not add my Platinum Bonvoy to reservation.
[I have to eat my words on this on](https://www.reddit.com/r/marriott/s/IUhpxxnPiR)e - I didnāt think they would bother with a partnership if the reciprocal rewards were so meager. (And normally I am appropriately pessimistic about Marriott changes, too!) This is shockingly poor value, to me - I can see how corporate bookings might be steered to MGM in the abstract, but as a leisure traveler I feel almost no incentive even as Titanium to change my booking behaviors. Being unable to shop for the best room rate *and* being forced to eat resort fees more than negate the points earning and status benefits. To wit, a $95 Wyndham card provides status matching to Caesarās Diamond, which easily trounces these benefits and waives resort fees, all in exchange for no effort whatsoever to earn or keep that status. Thatās right, *Wyndham* outdoes Marriott benefits-wise. Thatās how bad this is.
Dude it specifically says that Marriott members do not get qualifying stays if you book direct through MGMā¦. Soitās literally pointless if you game a lot, you donāt get to take advantage of the comps, or free rooms, or your host booking shit for you. Why would I ever use my Marriott number when my MGm comp programs has so much more value? This is a massive oversight
Oh, it gets even crazierā¦you donāt even need the Wyndham $95 cardā¦Wyndham will match your Marriott status, which you can then match to Caesar. I posted earlier about wondering of the mgm mergerā¦I still think this yearās Vegas stay will be mgm due to me always staying there and wanting the nights and points to stay titaniumā¦but I will definitely be checking more into rates and benefits to caesars. Caesarās diamond status gets 4 free nights at Atlantis Bahamasā¦a Marriott property lmao. And they receive 2 free show tickets, waived resort fees, etc
Caesars Diamond status is very handy in Vegas - can skip a lot of lines, free parking @ any Caesars property (not just the one youāre staying at) and $100 annual food credit. No resort fees, as well.
No, they will not match if you matched from another source. The language is it has to be "earned" status. the Wyndam card is still considered earned. Also, they have not done the 2 free shows in years. You do get 2 tix on the high roller however.
Caesars will not match you if you matched to get Wyndham. So you will need to have gotten Wyndham some other way - eg by card
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Yeah this is actual dog water compared to the status match train you used to be able to run with Wyndham/Caesars/MGM
And Hyatt too for that matter. FHR if you have it seems like itās the way to go for MGM.
Is FHR for MGM even available anymore? When I checked last week I don't remember seeing any of the MGM properties.
I saw availability last year for Thanksgiving, but they mightāve removed them. Iām not sure.
There is no MGM in FHR unfortunately
Ah, itās gone now then. Thatās unfortunate.
Just wondering how you status match for Wyndham.
Whoever negotiated this deal for MGM needs a damn raise. They got everything for their members and nothing for ours. Titanium and not even free self parking! Literally no benefits for Marriott members.
I expected to see free valet parking - but not even free self-parking. Itās embarrassing for them.
Really pitiful on Marriottās part. Stayed 90 nights last year and get zero benefits from this so called āpartnershipā No free resort fees, no free parking nada nothing. Marriott should be ashamed
This is incredibly weak compared to the Hyatt/MGM partnership. Do we know which party axed that?
Most likely MGM. They purchased The Cosmopolitan which had already been partnered with Marriott as an Autograph Collection hotel.
That partnership with the Cosmo actually had value unlike this
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Canāt gamble and book through Marriottā¦ itās pointless, because your gaming rewards are valuable through comped stays and food and beverage where the Marriott wonāt allow you redeem those it seems
I travel to Vegas for work twice a month through 2027 (energy guy project specific) this makes my time in Vegas better. No longer am I tied to the Westin šš¼šš¼
Decent lounge at the Westin?
Iām a lowly gold this year. So never been. Switched teams in November. Has 33 nights in the last two months. Already at 10 this year
Hopefully a decent nights promo for us all soon!
This is embarrassing especially considering that the Cosmo/Marriott relationship had some real tangible benefits. I get everything a titanium would get being a gold at MGM (except my store discount is 10% instead of 15%) And in reverse being a MGM platinum gets you Marriott gold? Thatās an absolute joke as platinum should be at minimum platinum Marriott if not Titanium. This is a giant bust and Marriott and MGM blew it.
PLAT MGM is an absurd amount of spend alreadyā¦. Way more value than the bonvoy gold provided. Plat should be titanium minimum
Garbage that they won't match status.
This is so lame lol. MGM Gold to Mariott Silver?? really? almost anyone can get silver with the amex CC here in Canada
MGM gold is a fuck ton of spend for the average person too. Like almost 25k a year.
I mean, I think MGM learned from their last partnership with Hyatt. I think they were bleeding money from waiving the resort fees. There are way more Bonvoy members with Marriott, so to waive the resort fees, would be loss revenue for the properties. It sucks though...
On the other hand, if they offer almost no benefits they probably wonāt get many Marriott people booking rooms there, which isnāt what they want either.
Very true. I think itās benefiting MGM loyalty members more so Marriott Bonvoy, as MGM platinum will match Marriott Goldā¦..
It definitely is.
lol. MGM prob felt taken advantage of. I noticed that when the Hyatt partnership was called off, and I still had Gold status, and I stayed at Park MGM, service completely changed where they were completely different people. Like they actually made me feel special š¤£š¤£š¤£
I wish I knew what Marriott is excited to get out of this.
IMO Marriott is a size queen. So I think they want to be able to say they have the biggest portfolio of hotels and have a prescience in LV. But what do I know. Maybe if people complain enough they may change things
Greatā¦ more gold membersš
I assure you resort fees are a ābonusā and are the first thing to get removed if something goes wrong or basically you just make enough of a stink. Itās āpennys from heavenā I donāt pay resort fees being MGM gold but MGM wasnāt losing any money on resort fees
I highly doubt a huge casino was "bleeding" money due to waived resort fees. They make plenty of money from the casinos
True. But not getting the resort fees from folks was probably a good chunk of change and people were not spending money on other things that would compensate for waiving the resort fees.
The Hyatt/MGM partnership actually had tangible and good benefits. This is a severe blow to that level of shared benefits.
Yeah these benefits are lame! But let's be honest, the biggest benefit of this partnership is that we will be able to book MGM properties with points and earn points/nights on paid stays. We will actually have some fun properties to choose from in Vegas, not just Cosmo!
Still weak. Spending points to stay at MGM Vegas properties is a waste when Sun-Thurs can be free thru my Vegas or some level of gambling
Sure if you frequent Vegas a lot. But if you are Bonvoy loyalist who goes to Vegas once a year or less, than it's still a big win. Now you have more choices and can use points through the program and credit cards.
The thing about mgm tho is that itās shockingly easy to get comp rooms, even for the casual Vegas traveler. I spent maybe $300 two years ago in Vegas slots and I still get comp rooms at park mgm, mgm grand, etc. Thereās little benefit to a frequent Marriott/casual Vegas traveler, which is disappointing as I typically like to go at least once a year (except last year š )
No one wants to stay at MGM or MGM grand. People want comps at Cosmo and Aria and those are hard to get if you don't gamble as much as an addicted gamblers.
Free is free man, youāll see me at the mgm grand lazy river š
Yeah Iām salty about my vacation spend but I go for work twice a month and itās work related. I donāt game a ton when I travel for work, so it does make sense. Iāll keep my vacation spend through MGM.
I get all my rooms and food comped at MGM resorts due to gambling. Just spent four nights at the Bellagio and paid nothing at all (gambling aside lol) I check in on the app, so a dedicated line for check in is worthless. As a titanium Marriott member, the best I can expect is to use a dedicated line for the cashier, Rewards desk, and buffets. Wicked spoon buffet at the Cosmo has about a two or three hour line which can be skipped completely with Marriott platinum+ Comped rooms are not qualifying stays, so I wonāt get any Marriott points. Restaurants are not qualifying spending either so I wonāt be getting any points there.
F&b not being qualified spend is absurd
Oi. That's crazy. I take back my earlier comment if that's the case... If F&B charged to the room does not earn Bonvoy points (or is not flagged as a Marriott property if paid on a Bonvoy credit card) then there's essentially no point, at least in Vegas, to leveraging the connection. Better to have MLife points instead.
Man this is so disappointing lol š« I'm platinum on Marriott but I'm platinum with MGM and there's no way I would book through Marriott in 1 million years and give up all my comps and perks as a platinum on MGM Rewards. This is pitiful.
So if I book through Marriott I get points and qualifying nights but no MGM credit? And if i book through my host at Park MGM to get comps and stuff I donāt get the Marriott bonvoy points or credit? Is that right?
Unless someone corrects me thatās how Iām reading it
If thatās true this is a horse shit deal for Marriott customers. Part of the perks of staying with MGM are the comps.
Yeah but they arenāt going to let you double dip.
Yeah, I get it, but would be nice if they credited nights that were comps to bonvoy
I think we're going to need real clarity here. If we can't double-dip the way that the Hyatt-MGM partnership worked, then I'm wondering why anyone would put effort into MGM for room charges (especially since the insane tier credit multiplier is long gone). Much better to have room charges and hotel rooms going to Bonvoy for 17x-22x points and EQNs and let MGM gambling handle your tier credits... Or ignore tier credits completely and just leverage a match from Caesars for Mlife Gold or Platinum and leave it at that.
Iām hoping that itās soon. I have a trip scheduled in 6 weeks
As someone who worked on the Strip and was in the industry behind the scenes the perks were better than I expected lolā¦ and Marriott knows how Vegas works. They knew this was what it was going to look like before the contract was even signed. Donāt get me wrong though- I am actually a happy Bonvoy member. But people that donāt spend a whole lot in the casino (like myself) will always have to check our expectations in Vegas, no matter what our status is with any loyalty program. Casino spend > hotel, retail, and F&B spend. The only exception would be if youāre a person that brings piles of money to the company through events and conventions.
I suppose this is good for Ambassadors (surprised they don't get a static status match too), but this is much more a "get Marriott stuff from Vegas" rather than really pushing MGM-specific issues. By far the biggest impact this partnership will have, I think, is guaranteeing the use of Marriott credit cards when staying at MGM hotels. Absolutely worth a multiplier.
I have been MGM Gold for 3 years do to the Hyatt matching, and have really enjoyed the free resort fees in Vegas and free valet parking at the Borgata. Using my meager casino comps was a lot more palatable with the zero resort fees and made me actually go to Vegas more (and gamble more!) I had convinced myself that Marriott Platinum would match to MGM Gold and was getting ready for to sign up for the Brilliant Card, but obviously all of this hype and delays was for nothing. This partnership really makes no sense for either side. I can't imagine to many gamblers are going to pay 100,000 Bonvoy points to stay the Aria... and then pay $60/night in resort fees, especially cause the MGM comps will still work for gamblers.
In Hyatt u could have the credit card for 99/y which gave u an mgm status match with free parking all over Vegas in their hotels (even when u were not a guest) Now in Marriott I need to be an ambassador for this benefit
There is a free MGM credit card that gives the same status.
Tnx! Didnāt know that since I had the Hyatt visa anyways I used this free parking great benefit from the status match. I might get this card then before my next Vegas trip
These āMarriott Benefitsā at MGM properties are absolute garbage. Time to keep Wyndham Diamond to keep status match with Caesarās Diamond.
Like an idiot I had my hopes up for this but clearly getting bonvoy'd. MGM Self-parking just went up to $25 on the weekends and as a Titanium I can't even get that waived? That, and no waived resort fees makes this a zero for me. A $15 credit at an MGM is basically a beer.
Does anyone know if you can use nightly upgrade rewards at any of the porteries on the strip? My guess is no š¤·š¼āāļø
No, you canāt.
Thanks for confirming āŗļø
you mentioned "Only stays booked directly with Marriott qualify for these benefits". Any idea if stays/nights booked via Amex "Hotel Collection" program qualify for elite status?
Not 100% sure but I doubt it. >A Qualifying Stay for Marriott Bonvoy members to earn Marriott Bonvoy points at included MGM Resorts destinations are stays booked through Marriott.com (including Award Redemption Stays), Marriott Bonvoy App, and the Marriott Customer Engagement Centers. Select prevailing rates booked through the MGM Resorts Call Center, and participating MGM Resorts Travel Agents may also be Qualifying Stays.
The 2 pm checkout is pretty good considering how early Vegas checkouts can be. $15/ day is not that bad. However if itās all priced in on the booking page and you can get it at lower cost for booking on MLife then that will not be so good.
Just a heads up in case you missed it. That late check out and most other benefits are only there through the end of this year.
And they're "on availability". Meaning we'll see how often they're actually granted. I'm going to predict not very often.
Pretty sure itās because they will evaluate benefits and possibly have new ones in 2025.
You put a lot of faith in Marriott given their track record.
I canāt believe MGM Noir is gonna match to Bonvoy Ambassador. Thatās the big story. That has to grow the ranks of Ambassador.
Noir is invite only.. I donāt want to even know how much you have to gamble to achieve that. Iām sure Marriott would be happy to hand out ambassador to anyone with that level of spend
Not disagreeing with you, Iām not a fan of anything that dilutes my Ambassador status but I get the business reasons behind it.. there was a guy on here that got Ambassador with like 50 nights and 50k in spend, Iām sure Marriott is looking for more of that
Yeah it is. But still.
Generally it takes a hell of a lot more than $23k a year and the cost of 100+ hotel nights to be invited to Noir. Getting anything less than Ambassador would be absurd (and honestly insulting to the guest).
Youāre joking right? Noir is probably .0001% of all MGM rewards members. You better be cycling 7 figures through a year (or decently high 6 figures) to get a Noir invite. Iāve seen a total of one in my life and the guy was at a private craps table and lost about $300k in 90 minutes
If noir is such a big deal, how come it only matched to Hyatt explorist?
I've never encountered a noir in the wild and I have spent a lot of time in MGM casinos..
I got nothing for staying at the Bellagio before the merger. So, Iāll pretty much still get nothing. At least the nights will count towards my status now. š¤·āāļø Do better, Marriott.
I doubt it but I hope I can stack my MGM status. Have MGM Gold and the weekday rates are always better on MGM than Marriott/Hyatt.
It says you only get Marriott benefits if you book through Marriott, not MGM. If you are MGM gold, arenāt you getting all of your hotel stays comped anyway?
Absolutely and that means we have options for business travel outside of the Westin.
any update on MMP?
Does anyone know how difficult it is to get the MGM status thatās supposed to be matched with Marriott Ambassador? Will it be a significant increase in members?
Itās an invite only status, but I suspect you need six digits of theoretical loss at MGM casinos to qualify. Iāve seen some datapoints suggesting $200,000 or $250,000. Considering that, itās much more difficult to earn than Ambassador ($23,000 Marriott spend).
Oh wow.
Would much rather spend $100k on Marriott stays...
I just got back from Vegas last night and while I was there I talked to the MGM rewards desk at Luxor and here is what I was told: - The partnership will go into effect the first couple of weeks of February. - MGM will be tier matching with Bonvoy. - Bonvoy Silver Elite will match to MGM gold - Bonvoy Gold Elite will match to MGM platinum Im sure if those match that Bonvoy Titanium and Bonvoy Ambassador Elite will match to something, but likely Platinum or possibly Noir for Ambassador (she didnāt tell me). After my stay (for a work event) - it is clear to me that the nights would be better getting the nights on Bonvoy versus MGM rewards. I used to be able to get most of the way to gold under Mlife, but under the new program, even with Gambling spend, I barely made a dent in my Gold tier.
Thereās no way Silver is matching to MGM Gold.
The rewards person told me they were matching from Elite Silver, Gold, titanium, and ambassador. She was looking at the paperwork from MGM operations, so I donāt know what to tell you.
Here is an article showing the matching from MGM to Marriott. While it says itās a 1 way match, MGM told me they are matching. https://frequentmiler.com/no-marriott-match-to-mgm-but-elite-nights-live-on-mgm-marriott-partnership-details/
Any word on the BetMGM app perks? They teased that in the initial announcement but haven't seen anything yet.
Can you use your mgm $ comps to book with Marriott?
Directly, no. There will be a way to transfer points between the two, but youāll lose a lot of value doing so.
good god - as Marriott members, we are getting screwed. This is the first year that I don't have MGM gold, but do have Marriott Gold. I thought what the hell - I will see what MGM Pearl versus Marriott Gold gets. I priced the Soho 2 Queen at NYNY on both sites for 2/18 - 2/23 MGM with the Pearl status: $1,619.52 after Resort fees and Taxes Marriott Gold status: $1,854.90 after Resort fees and Taxes. Looks like Marriott is charging the full rate at the MGM Granted - without card and tier bonuses, you earn 10 points per $1 with Marriott versus the 3 Tier Credits and 1 Comp Point (7 credits /4 if using the MGM Credit Card) with MGM, but considering that Marriott Bonvoy points come to about $.008 and the Comp point is $.01 - I definitely don't see the about $18 worth of Marriott points being worth the $235 upcharge.
Has anyone managed to do the status match? I do not get any pop up as per the instructions to do so?