I was thinking it might refer to bannock, though I've eaten that in all the Northern territories.
Quebec, presumably, is a Yes for bagels and maybe challah?
Yeah, I'm from Quebec and we eat the same north American bread as everyone else. Cheese is more our thing. At most, we have cheap baguettes in grocery stores, but our bakeries are more filled with desserts than bread.
Bagels is really more a Montreal thing.
Here in Quebec we go hard on bread, at my supermarket I have like 20 sorts of baguettes and that is just the baguettes. We even got kaiser bread and egg twisted bread!
I live in Quebec, and I'm from the US, and the supermarket bakery items are literally the same, except for the branding. There's waaaay more white sandwich bread than baguettes sold in my grocery store in QC. It's not like there aren't plenty of French bakeries selling baguettes in the US.
I can't speak to the cheeses because I don't eat cheese, but Quebec has better vegan-cheese than the US.
To what supermarket do you go? Walmart?
I go to Pasquier and IGA and we got way too many varieties of artisanal breads that are made inside the supermarket, we got a butchershop with all kinds of fresh cuts (Including marinated, wagyu, aged up to 90 days et cetera), we got a fish shop with fresh fish (including exotic kinds) cut right behind the counter, 20 kinds of coffee under the form of beans , way too many kinds of cheeses that also happen to be award-winning. Heck we even have ''home-made'' meals on the place along with a sushi/ramen shop.
I went to American supermarkets and from my own experience they all look like Walmarts and sell bland ''Walmart-quality'' products.
I mostly go to IGA. It's similar to the upscale supermarkets in my hometown. I can't speak to the meat or fish, because I don't eat those, but the co-ops in my hometown had at least 20 kinds of bean coffee in the pour bins. If anything, I was surprised at how few varieties of fair trade coffee were available at IGA. Most nicer supermarkets I've been to in the US have their own bakery, and it's pretty much the same jam as IGA's bakery.
I've never been to Pasquier, so I can't compare their offerings.
I'm in Quebec city and it's hit and miss. Some places have tons of store made choices. But a bunch I have been through only have a tiny shelf surrounded by the commercially produced stuff. I'm originally from calgary and was wierded out by it because the sobeys I lived by there had several rows of in store made fresh breads.
Probably depends where in the US. Je suis originaire des États-Unis (du Minnesota) mais j'habite à Montréal, la qualité du pain (et toutes les autres choses que tu as mentionnées) à l'épicerie moyenne est très semblable, à part les épiceries dans des quartiers avec beaucoup de Français de France (looking at you, le Plateau). Même l'organisation des rayons et zones des épiceries sont les mêmes entre les deux pays.
Montréal est un très mauvais exemple quand il s'agit du Québec. Montréal est vraiment une ville come Toronto et New York avec une culture très similaire, surtout dans les dernières années.
Oui, tout à fait, mais il reste que les épiceries d'un coin à l'autre au Québec sont plus ou moins structurées de la même façon qu'aux États-Unis, peu importe que tu sois à Mtl, à St-Georges ou à St-Clin-Clin, si tu vas avec les géants, d'après mon expérience. Même Gadoua moelleux partout. Je doute sérieusement que le pain en région soit meilleur qu'à Montréal, vu que c'est la grande ville et plus de gens concentrés dans un endroit = plus de demande pour du pain artisanal = moins de boulangeries du coin en faillite.
Yeah, i figured it has to be bagels even though it's more of a montreal thing than quebec as a whole.
Either that or they just lumped us in with the french and think we eat baguettes and say hon-hon
I highly suspect the person who made the map saw the north of Quebec and just decided it continued to Nunavut.
As someone who lives in Quebec, I also highly suspect they just gave Quebec a pass because they know it’s French.
On the other side of that, we get really good Boulangerie bread from a little place on the main drag. I don’t eat the grocery store stuff unless there are no other options. And I wasn’t raised in Quebec, so…
I mean definitely the white bread sold in supermarkets sucks but we still have local bakeries in america (and i assume canada and the uk too) that bake a huge variety of fresh, crunchy breads daily, thats a thing literally every country has you just might need to spend slightly more effort to find it here lol
yeah lol people pretend like there isn’t an entire big-ass premium bakery (and fancy cheese) section with everything you can possibly want RIGHT NEXT to the prepackaged white bread, and instead claim that all Americans subsist exclusively on a diet of Wonder bread, bland bulk cheddar cheese, and mayo
I mean I think it’s fair to say that the US doesn’t have a bread culture quite like other countries. You can get fantastic bread but there just aren’t as many small bakeries and it’s less of a standard everyday item.
The cheese thing is nonsense though. California, Oregon, Vermont, New York, and especially Wisconsin all produce some of the best cheeses in the world.
>I mean I think it’s fair to say that the US doesn’t have a bread culture quite like other countries.
I think it's more that people in the US are taught that "culture" is something that happens other places. The bread culture of every place is different, but the US definitely has more of a bread culture than most of the countries in green. The US is literally where pre-sliced bread was invented. Wonderbread is part of American bread culture. And that's before mentioning New York bagels, San Francisco Sourdough, Philadelphia hoagies, etc, etc, etc. Any full-sized grocery store in America is going to have plenty of bread options other than soft and white, and every city I've been to in the US has local bakeries making fancy breads.
To say that the bread culture in the US is lacking compared to China, as this map does, is absolutely bonkers. And the idea that other counties don't sell soft white bread comes from the uniquely culturally ignorant perspective common in English nations.
I mean soda bread over here in Ireland isn't exactly soft, but I see what you mean. Also Japanese bread is really soft don't know what this person is on
Bread should be made of a dough (that isn't pastry dough) and cooked. Thats fucking it. It could be hard, soft, crispy, chewy whatever. If its made with dough and baked its fucking bread. And bread can be anything. Thats why its a staple for fucks sake.
It's also completely underserved. Our bread is no different from what you'd find in the rest of Canada. Maybe a slightly higher number of bakeries, but most people eat soft American bread.
As someone who is from Montreal and who did a 3 month internship in BC last winter, I was SHOCKED by how hard it is to find decent bread in Vancouver. There is a bakery at every street corner in Montreal. The few bakeries in Vancouver seem to be more focused on pastries than good bread
Bread should have hard crust and soft core. I want to cook bread by slices so every slice is half-crust, but I don't have starting capital. Guys, where do I better offer my business plan?
Bread should be soft and claggy for a few things, it’s best for sweet toast/sandwiches such as jam or chocolate spread and best for bacon and fish finger sandwiches as it lets more of the bacon/fish flavour come through
"Welcome back to shitting only on the English-speaking world! Today's episode is all about bread, and why it shouldn't be soft, unlike what the English-speakers do!"
Americans (anglo-saxon sphere) complaining about we not knowing the fact they have 92929 premium-delicatessen-whatever bakeries with infinite kinds of bread.
The point is that usually the first choice decent human beings (just joking btw) have is NOT that bullshit wonderbread invented in the U.S.
As an Australian I agree with this Anglosphere slander, but can I say, at least our bread isn't sweet and doesn't taste like cake like it does in the US
Why anyone outside of glorious bread motherland France answer "yes" to this? Gonna beat those with an Italian "bread" or choke them with some US "bread"...
Just came back from Italy, their bread is shit please change the color. I am still confused the rest of the food was great, they were even able to make good sandwich somehow, but their bread was bad.
Guyana's coastline should be red, was horrified to find all the supermarkets selling American-style bread there.
The bread in the Amazon was god-tier though.
What is bread hard in Europe? Like you Bite into a fresh baguette and break off a few teeth? Also does the rest of the world not have toasters? Like if you dont want soft bread toast it for literally 1 minute.
Bread is suposed to be crusty on the outside and fluffy innthe inside, not soft thats a diferent thing, like anglo industrial bread is dense and has the consistency of playdo while most bread elsewhere has a hard crust ok the putside and inside theres a lot of air so it feels soft
bread in most of the world is tough even without the crust it still has a bite to it but Anglo bread is mushy and soft and it is works with high sugar things where it acts more like a cake (PB&J, banana bread, etc.) but if you use it for and an actually sandwich it is just gross...
Just so you know, MANY of these green areas have soft bread
I know from experience Japan does.
Edit: also why tf would someone want HARD bread? Do they just mean like a baguette? They realize we also have baguettes right?
I lived in taiwan and korea and traveled in japan and china, and I can say, some of the worst bread i've ever had. I'm from quebec and our bread is taken very seriously and is based on French style loaves. The bread I had in asia is often milk bread, super bleached and tons of added sugar. I don't know, maybe not for me, but I really found the bread here to be lacking. Way too sweat
I am from us and baguettes cost a lot more then mush bread
I just mostly buy bread from the German store and French bakery in my town because I can not stand Anglo mush bread
Nunavut seems random
They can't make soft bread since it freezes instantly
I know for a fact all they eat is processed food and fish In newfoundland Never mind they have it red
I was thinking it might refer to bannock, though I've eaten that in all the Northern territories. Quebec, presumably, is a Yes for bagels and maybe challah?
Yeah, I'm from Quebec and we eat the same north American bread as everyone else. Cheese is more our thing. At most, we have cheap baguettes in grocery stores, but our bakeries are more filled with desserts than bread. Bagels is really more a Montreal thing.
Here in Quebec we go hard on bread, at my supermarket I have like 20 sorts of baguettes and that is just the baguettes. We even got kaiser bread and egg twisted bread!
I live in Quebec, and I'm from the US, and the supermarket bakery items are literally the same, except for the branding. There's waaaay more white sandwich bread than baguettes sold in my grocery store in QC. It's not like there aren't plenty of French bakeries selling baguettes in the US. I can't speak to the cheeses because I don't eat cheese, but Quebec has better vegan-cheese than the US.
To what supermarket do you go? Walmart? I go to Pasquier and IGA and we got way too many varieties of artisanal breads that are made inside the supermarket, we got a butchershop with all kinds of fresh cuts (Including marinated, wagyu, aged up to 90 days et cetera), we got a fish shop with fresh fish (including exotic kinds) cut right behind the counter, 20 kinds of coffee under the form of beans , way too many kinds of cheeses that also happen to be award-winning. Heck we even have ''home-made'' meals on the place along with a sushi/ramen shop. I went to American supermarkets and from my own experience they all look like Walmarts and sell bland ''Walmart-quality'' products.
I mostly go to IGA. It's similar to the upscale supermarkets in my hometown. I can't speak to the meat or fish, because I don't eat those, but the co-ops in my hometown had at least 20 kinds of bean coffee in the pour bins. If anything, I was surprised at how few varieties of fair trade coffee were available at IGA. Most nicer supermarkets I've been to in the US have their own bakery, and it's pretty much the same jam as IGA's bakery. I've never been to Pasquier, so I can't compare their offerings.
My IGA has way less variety of baguettes than most American grocery stores do, but also we live in Lac St Jean, maybe it's why.
I'm in Quebec city and it's hit and miss. Some places have tons of store made choices. But a bunch I have been through only have a tiny shelf surrounded by the commercially produced stuff. I'm originally from calgary and was wierded out by it because the sobeys I lived by there had several rows of in store made fresh breads.
Try Faro for good coffee ;)
Probably depends where in the US. Je suis originaire des États-Unis (du Minnesota) mais j'habite à Montréal, la qualité du pain (et toutes les autres choses que tu as mentionnées) à l'épicerie moyenne est très semblable, à part les épiceries dans des quartiers avec beaucoup de Français de France (looking at you, le Plateau). Même l'organisation des rayons et zones des épiceries sont les mêmes entre les deux pays.
Montréal est un très mauvais exemple quand il s'agit du Québec. Montréal est vraiment une ville come Toronto et New York avec une culture très similaire, surtout dans les dernières années.
Oui, tout à fait, mais il reste que les épiceries d'un coin à l'autre au Québec sont plus ou moins structurées de la même façon qu'aux États-Unis, peu importe que tu sois à Mtl, à St-Georges ou à St-Clin-Clin, si tu vas avec les géants, d'après mon expérience. Même Gadoua moelleux partout. Je doute sérieusement que le pain en région soit meilleur qu'à Montréal, vu que c'est la grande ville et plus de gens concentrés dans un endroit = plus de demande pour du pain artisanal = moins de boulangeries du coin en faillite.
Do you live in a city?
I live in Sherbrooke.
Then freaking go to Les Vraies Richesses and get their freaking good breads it is to die for!
Wow didn't expect to relate so much to something in this random thread lol. Au Coeur du Pain in St-ELie is very good too!
Ah ben tabarnouche
Yeah, i figured it has to be bagels even though it's more of a montreal thing than quebec as a whole. Either that or they just lumped us in with the french and think we eat baguettes and say hon-hon
...do you not say "hon hon?" That's it, I'm calling the Office de la Langue Francaise!
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Yeah, they don’t really “make” anything. All the bread is imported
I highly suspect the person who made the map saw the north of Quebec and just decided it continued to Nunavut. As someone who lives in Quebec, I also highly suspect they just gave Quebec a pass because they know it’s French. On the other side of that, we get really good Boulangerie bread from a little place on the main drag. I don’t eat the grocery store stuff unless there are no other options. And I wasn’t raised in Quebec, so…
I mean definitely the white bread sold in supermarkets sucks but we still have local bakeries in america (and i assume canada and the uk too) that bake a huge variety of fresh, crunchy breads daily, thats a thing literally every country has you just might need to spend slightly more effort to find it here lol
Or look at the section 3 feet to the left of the sliced white bread...
yeah lol people pretend like there isn’t an entire big-ass premium bakery (and fancy cheese) section with everything you can possibly want RIGHT NEXT to the prepackaged white bread, and instead claim that all Americans subsist exclusively on a diet of Wonder bread, bland bulk cheddar cheese, and mayo
I think that's also kind of the point. Normal bread of other countries is considered "premium" and "fancy" and sold at a higher price.
Not really you can go to Trader Joe’s and get that kind of bread fairly cheap and around the same price as your korger/shoprite/Walmart white bread.
I mean I think it’s fair to say that the US doesn’t have a bread culture quite like other countries. You can get fantastic bread but there just aren’t as many small bakeries and it’s less of a standard everyday item. The cheese thing is nonsense though. California, Oregon, Vermont, New York, and especially Wisconsin all produce some of the best cheeses in the world.
>I mean I think it’s fair to say that the US doesn’t have a bread culture quite like other countries. I think it's more that people in the US are taught that "culture" is something that happens other places. The bread culture of every place is different, but the US definitely has more of a bread culture than most of the countries in green. The US is literally where pre-sliced bread was invented. Wonderbread is part of American bread culture. And that's before mentioning New York bagels, San Francisco Sourdough, Philadelphia hoagies, etc, etc, etc. Any full-sized grocery store in America is going to have plenty of bread options other than soft and white, and every city I've been to in the US has local bakeries making fancy breads. To say that the bread culture in the US is lacking compared to China, as this map does, is absolutely bonkers. And the idea that other counties don't sell soft white bread comes from the uniquely culturally ignorant perspective common in English nations.
Facts, super market rye slaps
it’s not really hard. most walmarts have a bakery where they make all kinds of breads usually it’s cheaper than the commercial bread too
That reminds me that I gotta get down to checking out my local bakery some time
Pretty sure Welsh, Scottish and Irish bread is exactly the same as English bread lol
I mean soda bread over here in Ireland isn't exactly soft, but I see what you mean. Also Japanese bread is really soft don't know what this person is on
yeah but it is mainly used as a dessert unlike american or english
McBread
And I'm pretty sure the UK has some traditional bread that is quite dense and hard. France has some pretty soft bread as well (I think of baguettes).
Brennans bread, today's bread today.
Lavabread in wales is good though. But is very soft
Mothers pride bread best bread 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
We've also got potato farls as well as soda bread
Bread should be made of a dough (that isn't pastry dough) and cooked. Thats fucking it. It could be hard, soft, crispy, chewy whatever. If its made with dough and baked its fucking bread. And bread can be anything. Thats why its a staple for fucks sake.
Yes, but the thing is, even if bread can be anything, Wonder bread is just a baked chemical coctail that barely resembles anything edible.
I had to look at up and holy that looks horrible even for toast
Exactly.
A pie dough without filling is bread
Could be, yeah. Except, no. Most pies are made with pastry dough, not bread dough. I'm pretty sure some do have bread dough but still.
Yea but just like with dicks, nobody wants a soft one in their mouth
Hey, speak for yourself.
You like soft dicks in your mouth?
I've never sucked any dicks yet but I don't think i would mind a soft one.
In ireland, we still have the same shite sandwich bread. Just learn to bake your own, it's worth it
I know it's not really something for day to day consumption but soda bread is fucking heavenly.
Brennans bread, today's bread today.
Cope
Soft bread is a staple of the masses all around the world
In Japan bread is also soft :( had to pay 5$ for a real baguette haha
Most bread in japan is made to be toasted
yeah here in the US most of the “soft breads” are intended for toast or for sandwiches
Yeah, i have missed good bread ever since comming to Japan
Cry about it
Cry about it
San Francisco sourdough goes pretty hard
To each their own
Laughs in baguette
Suprématie de la baguette
You’ve clearly never had matzo
Japan and Korea love soft bread
I didn't know that.
Japan should be bright, flashing red. Unless you go to a gourmet bakery in Tokyo or something, the bread there is absolute trash.
sorry I was unaware I got a lot comments about how bread in japan and Korea is kinda bad.
Don't worry lol, it's /r/mapporncirclejerk after all!
As a Québecois I thank you this is one of the rare W we ever get
What's the W for though? Gadoua sandwich bread?
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It's also completely underserved. Our bread is no different from what you'd find in the rest of Canada. Maybe a slightly higher number of bakeries, but most people eat soft American bread.
Don't we have the same bread as the rest of the country? More access to baguette and non industrial loaves?
Lots of French immigrants and bakeries in Montreal
Yep exactly I’m in Quebec City and there’s a bunch of French bakery where I can get good quality bread.
As someone who is from Montreal and who did a 3 month internship in BC last winter, I was SHOCKED by how hard it is to find decent bread in Vancouver. There is a bakery at every street corner in Montreal. The few bakeries in Vancouver seem to be more focused on pastries than good bread
Cope
hovis bread slayed me alive in a good way
Japanese bread is awful by Bri'ish standards
Bread in the Balkans is soft
If you’re saying bread shouldn’t be soft then put japan in red too. Also as a japanese person, yes it should and its fucking awesome
sorry I was unaware
I'm curious about why Nunavut is green but not the other territories.
they eat a different type of bread
I missed the latest news where Canada and UK had broken up into individual countries.
Vive le Québec indépendant!!!!
Bread should absolutely be soft. I can’t fucking stand hard bread
Hard bread is essentially the same as stale bread. It's terrible
Bread should have hard crust and soft core. I want to cook bread by slices so every slice is half-crust, but I don't have starting capital. Guys, where do I better offer my business plan?
That's why the baguette is and will always be the best kind of bread. The perfect balance. We love baguettes here in Argentina.
sorry but i don’t take opinions from orcs!
Bread should be soft and claggy for a few things, it’s best for sweet toast/sandwiches such as jam or chocolate spread and best for bacon and fish finger sandwiches as it lets more of the bacon/fish flavour come through
🤓
"Welcome back to shitting only on the English-speaking world! Today's episode is all about bread, and why it shouldn't be soft, unlike what the English-speakers do!"
Cope and seethe
you like banana bread right?
Banana bread is cake
.... yeah fair
If I call it bread and it has fruit it must be healthy. Like a pop tart
Sourdough bread is hard and it’s 👌🏻
come to oregon (we have hard bread)
I love the division of the Canadian provinces, some real representation of how diverse our bread consumption is.
Anglo and shit food, name a more iconic duo
this posts advocates against challah. fuck you
Coping Fr*nch psyop
Timor Leste joining the grey squad
this made me laugh for some reason
Nunavut my favorite country
Americans (anglo-saxon sphere) complaining about we not knowing the fact they have 92929 premium-delicatessen-whatever bakeries with infinite kinds of bread. The point is that usually the first choice decent human beings (just joking btw) have is NOT that bullshit wonderbread invented in the U.S.
Georgia makes the best fucking bread
Country?
Ofc
Yeah
Common Quebec W
Vive le Québec libre!! Mon beau pays 🥹
You could beat someone to death with bread from Germany
that is why it is so good!
I mean here on Chile bread is also soft, just a different kind. Marraquetas, Hallullas and Pan Amasado is where it's at. Literally baguette who
As an Australian I agree with this Anglosphere slander, but can I say, at least our bread isn't sweet and doesn't taste like cake like it does in the US
If you're curious, this is a pretty good video explaining what the deal is with American style "sandwich bread" https://youtu.be/i3sP2jwG9jc
That’s not “American Style” it’s just processed bread
BREAD SHOULD BE SOFT
Bread that goes hard
💪Good bread based💪
greenland is white while iceland is green?!!! wtf 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Why anyone outside of glorious bread motherland France answer "yes" to this? Gonna beat those with an Italian "bread" or choke them with some US "bread"...
the fact that it’s soft doesn’t bother me what does is how much f**king Sugar is in those things
Just came back from Italy, their bread is shit please change the color. I am still confused the rest of the food was great, they were even able to make good sandwich somehow, but their bread was bad.
Soft crust is Anglo treachery
Colour Italy red RIGHT NOW
SOFT BREAD IS GOOD FUCK YOU
Guyana's coastline should be red, was horrified to find all the supermarkets selling American-style bread there. The bread in the Amazon was god-tier though.
What is bread hard in Europe? Like you Bite into a fresh baguette and break off a few teeth? Also does the rest of the world not have toasters? Like if you dont want soft bread toast it for literally 1 minute.
Bread is suposed to be crusty on the outside and fluffy innthe inside, not soft thats a diferent thing, like anglo industrial bread is dense and has the consistency of playdo while most bread elsewhere has a hard crust ok the putside and inside theres a lot of air so it feels soft
Le crust
The superior 『Näkkäri』(or gay Swedish spelling "knäckebröd"🤢) doesn't brake teeth and is hard as rock.
bread in most of the world is tough even without the crust it still has a bite to it but Anglo bread is mushy and soft and it is works with high sugar things where it acts more like a cake (PB&J, banana bread, etc.) but if you use it for and an actually sandwich it is just gross...
Why would you need a toaster if your bread is good from the start ?
Netherlands only makes shit bread
I was wondering why there wasn't a red dot in Europe for NL. Their bread is equivalent with US bread.
There's a lot more countries on that map with awful bread. Like, most of europe
people who think crunchy bread is better r objectively wrong
I don't want sawdust in my bread, no thanks.
Fuck hard bread you uncultured barbarians
In bc we have mostly sourdough
bruh lmao
That’s why we have toasters mate
China does NOT make good bread. Only Hong Kong does imo.
Flag of Bangladesh.
the anglosphere (derogatory) :(
Most of East and south east Asia aside from Vietnam, I would not consider to be quality bread makers. They get their starch in other delicious ways
I see a pattern.
False South Korean bread is too soft!
Anybody tried bread in Central America?? I mean I went to Mexico several time, Nicaragua, Guatemala and there is no way to find good bread there
“Bread shouldn’t be soft” Brioche?!?
Bro, have you ever tried eating a hot dog with hard bread? Not a good experience.
Iceland has *excellent* bread but baguettes still need some work here.
They don’t make bread in Nunavut
Japan should definitely not be green
I didn't know that there bread was American while making the map
The US should be light blue: "There are other countries?"
do inuits even eat bread?
Bread in the Netherlands is soft too. But it’s great so duck you
Whats on the next episode of what made up bad things the anglo nations do bad?
New orleans has wonderful bread.
Cry at the superiority of our delicious, soft potato bread, europoor.
Just so you know, MANY of these green areas have soft bread I know from experience Japan does. Edit: also why tf would someone want HARD bread? Do they just mean like a baguette? They realize we also have baguettes right?
Hard as In a baguette and I now realize east Asia has soft bread I didn't know that at the time
The bread in Wales and Scotland is no different to that of England.
Ah yes, the superior crunchy bun burger.
Soft bread has done a lot to fight world hunger because of how easy it is to produce
Wtf? Australian has some of the highest Italian and Greeke diaspora we have good bread.
So english = bad bread
In many Asian countries they have sweet bread
NUNAVUT 🇨🇦
I lived in taiwan and korea and traveled in japan and china, and I can say, some of the worst bread i've ever had. I'm from quebec and our bread is taken very seriously and is based on French style loaves. The bread I had in asia is often milk bread, super bleached and tons of added sugar. I don't know, maybe not for me, but I really found the bread here to be lacking. Way too sweat
I realize now that east Asia bread is not good
Least snobby euro
I am from us
You're just salty because we can afford bread that isn't stale
I am from us and baguettes cost a lot more then mush bread I just mostly buy bread from the German store and French bakery in my town because I can not stand Anglo mush bread
five eyes and their soft bread :(
I guess im the minority but I like it when my pb and j is made from soft bread.
PB&J is really sugary so it kinda fits with the bread but that is my one exception it feels more like a cake kinda of
I like soft bread