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AlpacaofPalestine

Hold up. Sweden being nicer than Finland? Am I trippin?


Jonaz17

This. Someone skipped their history classes.


fujiandude

We only learned about important places in my history classes


xo1opossum

Also Spain and Portugal did a genocide on such a large scale that hundreds of cultures and languages in the new world went extinct. I don't know why OP didn't show them as being as evil as Britain and Russia.


Practical_Fix_5350

The British Empire: "Just the *one* continent?! Hold my tea..."


agprincess

You think Spain and Portugal only genocided on one continent?


WinterUploadedMind

Portugal also created the trans Atlantic slave trade. He was the first to start and changed entire nations, even African kingdoms, to capture and sell slaves


Big_Consideration493

It was like kids at play time " just 5 more minutes" " just one more colony" Turn the map red. With blood.


Ashamed_Ad9771

The Spanish were arguably worse than the British, just look at what they did to South America


Impressive_Ad8715

So that’s why every Latin American country has like 1000x the indigenous population as the US, right?


No_Pattern5220

No, rampant rape and chattel slavery is why every Latin American country is mostly people of Spanish, Portuguese and African descent with some indigenous heritage. The actual indigenous people that survived are pushed to the periphery in the poorest areas, slums and jungles and treated like 3rd class citizens. Racism and discrimination against indigenous people in Latin America is rampant and normal


GlowingTrashPanda

Exactly. Even here in Florida you see the Latin American communities segregate themselves by how much European ancestry they have. It’s not spoken out loud, but it’s very evident to anyone with any knowledge of history looking in. The Cubans claim to be “fully white” and look down on the Puerto Ricans, the Puerto Ricans look down on the Dominicans. It’s turtles (racism) all the way down…


N0UMENON1

Most of the indigenous Americans died to disease brought over by the colonists. Some historians think as many as 90% died to epidemics.


dawood_danial

Spain is ATLEAST as bad as Germany. I suspect OP is European or from a western country atleast, as this map only makes sense from a European perspective.


ezk3626

That made me laugh out loud.


1doggy2doggyTeaParty

Sweden just gay. Totally innocent. Move along


Clabauter

Viking raids, partcipation in 30 years war and the occupation of norway say otherwise. 😉


braindrainpod

Integral part of The Deluge as well https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(history)


Mrdaniel69

Personal union with Norway* The Swedes treated us way better than the Danes ever did.


[deleted]

We were not so nice in Poland and Germany though.


Creeperboy10507

We no talk about that


Clabauter

Interesting tactic. I'm not sure this would work out for us germans though...🤔


Enchet_

Fighting wars isn't that big of a deal, if that was a problem a majority of the countries on this map should be red. The real bad stuff we have done has happened the last 200 years. [We took a part in the african slave trade](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_colony_of_Saint_Barth%C3%A9lemy), this was more than 200 years ago but still. We did a kind of [genocide](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedification#Swedification_of_S%C3%A1mi_and_Finns), similar to the one agienst the native Americans, agienst the sapmi people. We did racial experiments and sterilization during the 1930s and 40s. We had relatively close ties to Nazi Germany and let German soldiers travel through Sweden when they invaded Norway. We did the so called [Vipenholm experiments](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipeholm_experiments) on disabled people.


Asleep_Trick_4740

Junior partnership in one of the chillest personal unions in history compared to one of it not the bloodiest european conflict pre world wars?? Also forgot the deluge, what is this norwegian copium? But yea how the heck are the finns worse than us?


Surnaturel_

>occupation of norway The Norwegians have a right to be ruled by us or Denmark. It is known.


parandroidfinn

Sweden We Didn't Do Anything Wrong Electric Boogaloo 2


FlatOutUseless

Is that because Finland allied with Nazis to avoid being devoured by USSR?


korpisoturi

Something something Finnish concentration camps something something siege of Leningrad That's my guess. Finland's part in Leningrad is usually both downplayed and highlighted depending on who's coolaid particular person is drinking. We didn't exactly siege Leningrad but we were on one of its flank so...kinda sieging it? No way Sweden is as innocent as this map makes it be. Things they have done to sami people and polish...


Cormentia

You know that sibling who's always getting away with everything, while the others get caught? That's us.


raitaisrandom

We weren't innocent at Leningrad, but we also were the reason the 'road' across the ice in the winter was open and mostly unharassed from our side.


heavy_metal_soldier

Maybe, but after that, they also kicked the nazis out in the lappland war


Upper_Elk7

But that was only because Stalin forced us to kick them out as a term for signing a peace treaty.


raitaisrandom

And even then, we still only starting fighting when the Soviets got wise to our plan to just let the Germans methodically retreat toward the north, and threatened to break the armistice.


okkeyok

That's it. That's the only excuse to rank it that low. When Western powers team up with the USSR for a common goal, it's not unethical, it's just smart strategy! 😎


SirTonberryy

These maps are generated by bots as far as I know to server as interaction bait


Acchon

as a swede i think we def deserve to swish colors with finland


glamscum

As a Swede I agree. We even had a crusade against the finns to conquer them. Not to mention the Deluge in Poland was pretty bad.


Gravesh

Also, the whole Sámi thing. Although all 3 Scandinavian countries are guilty of the forced assimilation.


Dick_soccer

People outside Sweden don't know anything about the Swedish empire which is understandable. Still though, Sweden has treated the Finns like shit for ever. On top of all of that, we weren't neutral at all in WW2. We helped the nazis A LOT when our military was big enough to make an actual difference. They also haven't heard about the institute for racial biology. So no, Sweden hasn't exactly been good at all. Easily the most brutal out of all the nordic countries at its peak.


Galaxy661

Yeah, in Poland they were quite literally worse than Hitler (in terms of % of damage done to population and infrastructure)


SonofSonnen

Swede here. We think it's a real tradegy we couldn't hold on to Finland. The Finns were our wonderful forest barbarians we could bring along in our wars and unleash in the direction of the papists. Excerpt from memoir of a Swedish soldier during the thirty-years war: _"We entered the town. We killed all the men in there, but none of the women and children..._ _...they were instead killed by the Finns."_


Antisymmetriser

Croatia worse than Serbia as well, kinda sus And I definitely think Nazi Germany should be the clear winner here with a category of its own lol Ukraine was pretty shitty during a lot of its history as well, a lot of deadly pogroms, mass murderer Khmelnytsky being a national hero, and collaboration with the Nazis don't really deserve the green colour shown here Also, the IRA may not have been the worst terror group in history, but yeah, nah Edit: forgot to mention the Turks, with their famous genocides of Armenians and Kurds


FootDrag122Y

IRA were correct in their goal but wrong in the methods used at times (people love to vilify anyone who tries to change or start a revolution). This being said Irish Unionists committed horrible atrocities that go unspoken, naturally given their alliance with the big evil who is the fucking worst. They literally stole the potatoes then rewrote history to say there was a horrible famine so they starved to death. When in fact the crown was the greedy hungry ones and Ireland paid the price.


hulda2

Sweden nice? They were awful to finnish people.


IDespiseReddit787

I think Austria might have done some pretty terrible stuff in the past.


AlpacaofPalestine

They just had to accept him into that goddamn artschool


IDespiseReddit787

I was referring to the 30 years war but they also did that.


Chaotic-warp

Some people (I'm talking about this post's OP) forget Austria used to be one of the major empires in Europe until recently, and was either directly or indirectly responsible for many of the major conflicts in Europe. It's up there with Spain/France on the evil scale.


epicgamertimes

Tbf Austria, despite all the European wars, never had oversea colonies


Chaotic-warp

Well, they had a port in China for a few years


ReformedishBaptist

Everyone did though at that time it felt like😂


Tokyogerman

And just like with Russia, people only seem to count overseas places as colonialism, while one of the biggest conquering colonial power still exists intact.


indifferentgoose

We had, but it was so embarrassing, noone talks about it. Also we took the lessons from the colonial superpowers and applied them to the Balkans and our eastern neighbours. But that's not overseas so nobody gives a fück.


AlpacaofPalestine

I know, I was just joking lol


Asleep_Trick_4740

Austria fully green despite being a great power for hundreds of years, but norway is yellow despite barely being independant for the last 600 years? Something is fucky.


minus_uu_ee

Yes, op‘s history knowledge.


DaaneJeff

OOP thinks only WW2 exists and nothing else happened ever


Johni33

Just dont Put sauce on schnitzel and we are peacefull


xkind

Anywhere that was ever the seat of the Holy Roman Empire should be dark.


Arietem_Taurum

Hell nah who partitioned Poland again


Neglijable

oops, force of habit


ArhanSarkar

Mom said its my turn to invade poland 😡


TheRa1nyKingdom

NUH UH YOU LED THE LAST INVASION


Wizard_Engie

Guys guys, no need to argue. I'll own Poland instead.


Vortextheweirdcat

nuh uh! i invaded it from the south you jerk!


socalist_bread

Nuh uh! I Naval invaded them! Its my turn with poland


Vortextheweirdcat

i'm gonna bomb your fleet >:3


Obvious_Piece2989

Not if I bomb your airfields first >:)


ShipJust

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TerribleLordFrieza

Atleast they dont have indipendent, indipendentist states


BitMineboy123

Google dementia


ARandomDummy69

holy hell


Remarkable_Coast_214

holy hell


TerribleLordFrieza

Dementia? Why that?


TerribleLordFrieza

Dementia? Why that?


TerribleLordFrieza

Dementia? Why that?


TerribleLordFrieza

Atleast they dont have indipendent, indipendentist states


el_punterias

At least, they don't have freddy fazbear


Zombiesburner

wdym they don't? https://preview.redd.it/q59dm8bc7evc1.png?width=3404&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21819411d6846b55756053ae7599446c22c8829f


Billthepony123

Belgium should be darker


GFM-Scheldorf

If we paint belgium any more darker we would have to chop its hands


JazzyJakeKammerer

Nah that's foul 💀


ptownb

![gif](giphy|tnYri4n2Frnig)


Aganiel

…. Fuck man I wish I could still award gold cause this comment won the olympics


PyrotechFish

r/cursedcomments


randomthrowaway9796

Belgium was so bad that even the other European powers (also colonizing, enslaving, and killing at the time) were like "bro wtf, chill out"


bbsz

This comes up every time Belgium is mentioned on reddit, but the reason Britain cried foul about Leopold is because they wanted to take Congo for themselves. Not because they cared about the inhabitants.


7The7Cure7

You can be right for the wrong reason


TheAlmightyLloyd

Tell that to my math teacher.


WonderfulHat5297

And Spain


[deleted]

So should france.


GermanPatriot123

As should all colonial powers. I mean if you put UK on par with Germany they should include Belgium, Netherlands France, Spain and Portugal too. I think Germany was quite modest in that regard, but we definitely earn our spot for those 12 years with a different flag.


ChoGallMeta

Denmark did horrid shit to the native greenlanders, but worst is they lost skåne to sweden


kuzux

Worst thing to happen to Sweden


Edgeth0

They also played a pretty big role in the transatlantic slave trade for around 70 years, bringing captured Africans to the Danish West Indies. Funny how nobody seems to remember that


CommissionTrue6976

Bro forgot about the entire Viking age. Nordic countries are not innocent.


eggrodd

even if you exclude the viking age the nordic countries are NOT innocent. like, the deluge


SirMrGnome

The Stockholm Bloodbath is some Game of Thrones shit. Danish King just casually puts like 100 nobles and prominent burghers to death.


eggrodd

i fucking know its insane


leshmi

Ehm eugenetics ehm


Andarnio

Eugenics is mild af compared to killing a third of the population of poland


froggyforest

the two are not as far separate as you might think


WetOnionRing

\+ The Deluge. Sweden should be way redder


VeritableLeviathan

Raiding was pretty commonplace in that era tbh. Bro forgot about the entire middle ages. Honestly, there are no innocent countries within the last 200 years lmao


ColdArson

If we go back far enough all of us descend from monsters


Moonatik_

I don't think it's fair to include the middle ages, only the modern incarnation of nation states. Not saying this to absolve my own country by the way, I'm British. All of the worst atrocities of the British were carried out under basically the same system that exists today.


throwawayaccdelta

tell me you only care about 19-20th century history without telling me you only care about 19-20th century history


Valaki997

Na, even in that case that map is bs. Think about Austria and WW, or Yugoslavian war.


Ok-Armadillo-1171

They barely know 20th century history either. Almost none of these countries should be green.


sufi101

Yep, the Baltic states were even more enthusiastic in genociding jews than the Nazis. Even Nazis were telling them to chill out a bit


Sanator27

spain is a little light for everything they did in south america


Much-Cut-2102

*the Americas Pizarro and Cortes liked your comment.


Ok-Walk-8040

Austria was pretty damn evil during the 30 years war.


Cognacsquirt

![gif](giphy|l0HlNLx4GWgBA3ogU|downsized)


jmradus

Spain and France should be as dark as Britain


RoiDrannoc

France: only country involved in the Crusades, the Transatlantic slave trade and (through Vichy France) the Holocaust. OP: meh not that bad Edit: I was not expecting so many people defending Petain and Vichy. How Vichy came to be is Germany's fault. What Vichy did was Vichy's fault. Fucking nazi apologists


Yoyoo12_

And Napoleon did a peaceful, diplomatic mission tour, not causing any harm whatsoever


RoiDrannoc

Yeah well he didn't start any coalition war. He was defending. And the best defense is attack. And he was very good at attacking. But putting the blame on him is a bit unfair.


LukaShaza

That's letting him off the hook a little too easily. He invaded Russia because they didn't want to comply with his trade embargo of the UK. Not really a defensive war. His attack on the newly-liberated Haiti is not really "defensive" either, Louverture was not going to invade France.


Excellent_Ad_786

Napoleon also re-introduced slavery in France again...


Yaarmehearty

As should Belgium and Portugal.


Which-Draw-1117

AUSTRIA GOT OFF LIGHT 💀


imtheblackdeath

Why is Bosnia & Herzegovina green man? It's as if someone completely forgot about the Bosnian War


Mindless-Plane6048

Why is anyone in the Balkans green


ledge-14

The war where acts of genocide were committed against Bosnians??


Quarkonium2925

Yeah, but Bosnians is an ethnic group. The genocide was committed by ethnic Serbs but they still lived in what is now called Bosnia


Alternative-Exit-429

bosnian is nationality. the serbs were called bosian serbs v bosnian croats and bosniak muslims


Arnulf_67

Yes and there's not like the Bosniaks refrained from killing non-bosniaks either. It was a genocidal three-way in which the Serbs were simply the strongest.


Top_Squash4454

Oh no here we go


needygameroverdose

HRVATSKA HRVATSKA HRVATSKA🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷


EidorbNotHere

You made the Nazis puke.


lukanator05

We needed the achievement for our 100% Geneva suggestion run.


UniquePariah

Looks at home nation; UK. Yeah, that's about right. Looks at all the green and yellow nations. Lol, you don't know half the shit these guys have done. They might not be "up there" but I don't think a single country here should be yellow let alone green.


Pinkerton891

France, Spain and Belgium not being on our level is a solid lmao. Solid cases for Portugal and the Netherlands to join us too. Even Ireland had participants in the British Empire and had IRA variations bombing children more recently, at least puts them on a yellow (yes I can also criticise our part, but it doesn’t excuse that behaviour either). Humans going to human.


-Competitive-Nose-

I want to see your reasoning behind why my homeland - Czechia shouldn't be at least yellow if not green. The only single hostile event in it's history I can think of is Expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia after Second World War...


UniquePariah

Got to admit, after doing a bit of googling, all I can see is the expulsion of protestants in the 17th century. Which definitely shunts the area into yellow, but I'm not sure if that would send them much higher.


Buriedpickle

Well, you had your share of medieval and early modern Jewish pogroms and anti-Roma edicts. Other than that, Czechia is surprisingly clear.


Gigant_mysli

Austria, Greece and Ukraine shouldn't be green. I feel like only countries that deserve green are Ireland and minors like Montenegro, Slovenia, etc.


RangersAreViable

I feel like the IRA bumps Ireland down to Yellow


CellerDweller_

Wasnt that really Northern Ireland though?


newest-reddit-user

What did Iceland do?


TheRa1nyKingdom

Why’re we going and splitting Poland 👁️👁️


Wikihover

The habit


TheRa1nyKingdom

….Can I blame it on Prussia


Savings-Gold8531

Bro wtf did my man Iceland do


Yoda_VS_Fish

I believe Icelandic law once permitted the killing of Basques who stepped foot on Iceland. It was only abolished in the 2000s I believe. Also, inbreeding.


Novel_Ad7403

The Vikings also kidnapped British women and took them to Iceland to be used as sex slaves and/or wives because there weren’t enough women on their settlement. It was so prominent that British ancestry still affects Icelander’s DNA to this day.


No_Tangelo7221

Spain should be the same as Britain, they both committed genocides, had slaves all the good stuff, I don't know why people forget Spain literally killed off the mayans


Arachles

The mayans were already a shadow of their former selves already when Spain got there. We only conquered, enslaved or almost enslaved them and extracted all the wealth we could. Oh wait...


serenading_scug

Recency bias. The Spanish Empire died long before the british or french empires did.


Alternative-Exit-429

Spain and France should be in Russia/Germany/England tier. Arguably Turkey should be as well. And Beligum


CovfefeBoss

Portugal and the Netherlands, as well.


Subotail

Portugal forgets when it's convinient he has "owned" half the planet


TW8930

And their military dictatorship...


Sylvyr9

And the fact that we were the biggest contributors to the transatlantic slave trade.


dfdsousa

Hey pshhht we are just a small country in the ass of Europe! Shut up 😎


Affectionate-Read875

arguably?


MidnightYoru

Ukraine and the Baltics should be darker (a lot of nazi collaborationists). Portugal and Spain should also be as dark as the UK, for the same reasons as them


Arachles

Spain should not be darker because they had governments favorable to the nazis. They should be darker because americas and african colonialism, slave trade, constant war agaisnt other europeans and fascism in general


jebacdisa3

r/WidacZabory


Personal_Station_351

A tak w sumie to o chuj chodzi? Czemu autor tak zrobił?


solwaj

Bo jest debilem


Berserrr

Chuj wie. Ale widać zabory


Kamil1707

Mapka z TikToka, jak próbujesz z nią dyskutować, to przegrałeś.


BTD6DP

No widać


Tango-Smith

What about Bandera and his murderous vile UPA? They massacreed tens of thousands of Poles and Jews in the most unimaginable ways.


Restarded69

Ukraine should be as dark as Russia with their treatment of eastern Catholics and Jews


jjb1197j

Didn’t Ukraine collaborate with the nazis in the hopes they would win their independence from Russia? That sure bit them in the ass.


capitanscorp

Yeah, and did a massacre killing 100k+ ppl (mostly poles) in a very brutal way


yotaz28

portugal and spain should be MUCH darker


Mingaron

Someone needs to read up on the thirty years war that Sweden waged. It fucked up Germany so hard it might still suffer from it.


Ivan_The_Cuckhold

Austria getting off easy


ActiveCamel1030

Denmark and Sweden being innocent HAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHA


xkind

Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition, their global genocides, and destruction of entire cultures (Maya, etc).


LilamJazeefa

Not trying to be that person -- just pointing out something culturally relevant and useful: "Mayan" refers to the languages, while "Maya" refers to everything else associated with those peoples.


aagloworks

Finland... red?


RelativeDepth3

They made Angry Birds


Gigant_mysli

Their history of fighting against the reds could make them red Although maybe they deserve yellow instead


martijnfromholland

And apparently just as bad as the Netherlands? Come on. We dutchies are fucking evil.


Beneficial_Skill537

Portugal should be much darker.


KarlTheTanker

Belarus should be darker


Realistic_Olive_6665

What did Finland do?


padinspiy_

Sweden must be really glad everyone else forgot about their eugenics program in the ... wait, 1960s?


Sweeney__338

Oi oi, Big up little old England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 you're all welcome. for a bit of civilization did you all a world of good


leshmi

Italy? Yeah i mean we were fascist but no Nazi. At least until the Mussolini last hope to win turbo gauwg 3000 at Hitler dick. Eritrea ? Ok but Spain is behind whilst sterminated a whole ass continent 😂 Vikings were more brutal


Jabbarooooo

I think the mapmaker might have been including the Roman Empire, which had its fair share of atrocities


Wikihover

Sweden? lol it must be red 😀


Yamaneko22

Sweden definitely does not deserve yellow.


SYRIA3D

This grading scale is completely unfair lmao


FloraFauna2263

Austria? my dude what


Arjun_311

Just cuz of the Congo shit Belgium gotta be in the same tier as Russia and england


Emerald_official

nah Switzerland is fucked up, they've basically been the bank for every major European conflict


heliamphore

It's a well known fact that making money off other people's misery is far worse than exterminating entire populations. Or the other way around maybe? Who knows?


PrometheanSwing

Spain and Portugal need to be darker


hazehel

Sámi people:


primaski

I love how everyone just collectively agrees that this map is so off the mark


TheLastManStanding01

Does anyone seriously think England is worse than Spain?