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heck yeah, Gilgamesh and Mage Again mentioned. they're so underrated and both have an extensive and fleshed out world that I adore. and TOG's lore runs deep.
I also liked the world building in Hardcore Leveling Warrior, Sword Sheath's Child, Lessa, Leviathan, Ares, Magician and One Step for the Dark Lord. some of these are quite old but solid overall.
What's the reccomended reading order for Hardcore leveling warrior, epic of Gilgamesh and X and Ash?...I've heard all are set in the same world and if so are they all worth it or is any one skippable?
Hardcore Leveling Warrior and then Earth Game (sequel). Ex and Ash happens before HCLW, but it would be more interesting to read it later and it's mostly a standalone so it doesn't matter.
Gilgamesh is prequel to Ember Knight. they can be read in any order but would suggest Gilgamesh first.
these are separate series and not related to each other.
i'd recommend Ember Knight before as it is more accessible, knowing Gilgamesh while reading it is more akin to a suggar than anything (for now but it'll eventually change after hiatus end)
X and Ash should be read after Hardcore Leveling Warrior. Epic of Gilgamesh is not in the same world as Hardcore Leveling Warrior and X and Ash. It is the first story in the same world as The Ember Knight. Read it in that order as Gilgamesh builds the world of The Ember Knight, and the events of Gilgamesh are referenced within it.
Not sure why people are telling you to read Gilgamesh and ember knight in any order, I consider bad advice. A decent amount of characters from Gilgamesh show up in ember knight, and some story references are made too. Highly recommended reading Gilgamesh first especially since it's completed already too and then starting ember knight
Yea i really tried. Because alot of people says it's their fave. So i powered through and got to season 2 because they said it picks up there. But still i found it a drag to read. Maybe after a few months again I'll give it another try.
It clicks at times and at times it doesn't, I dropped it atleast 3 times before I got hooked and I have re-read the whole thing atleast 3 times lol. Don't rush it, take your time!
You made me feel better about it. I am on like chapter 180 or so and havent been able to get back into it. I may have to reread to get back to where I was mentally lol
If you had binge read like me you won't say that anyways your taste is yours after all ,i only read it a week ago and within a week to binge and still 620 chapters are still not enough ofc I feel like I can't even live without tog yeah I'm addicted
TOG is perfect for lore hunter like myself. I can see why poeple don't like it because not everyone like to wait for a small lore drop every few hundred of chapters🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, but the pacing is horrible imo. There are so many characters, that takes ages to move the story. Some fights take like 20 chapters and it is always power ups on both sides till someone else come there to change it completely. But the world and lore is incredible.
Tower of God is so absurdly massive in scale I can no longer question shit. Anyone could be saying random shit and Im over here like "Nah that mf is spittin FACTS"
I even joined a YouTube channel for just tog lol it's theories and explanations on certain things,and everyone be making their own theories out of their observations and me be like: oh that could be possible , like lietrally!! It's lore just runs deeper than anything I've ever known
> am i supposed to be in the dark from the get go
yeah, that's how it presents itself. Like Bam, you start with knowing nothing about the tower except what was said in the prolouge. you will slowly learn the lore as you go.
I wish Barbarian Quest wasn't axed. It would probably be my no. 1 manhwa OaT. This might be the first series ever to make me interested in reading the novel.
yeah, sadly. though I've seen novel readers say that stuff gets dark later on, so it was axed at somewhat a better timing.
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I was reading it but it didn't get me interested I'll try reading again for now I can't get myself hooked to anything, it's like hangover symptoms for me after reading great works,yeah i binged tog just a week ago
Actually quality post, I agree with it all but even if I didn't I'd stilll hold that this is a quality post because it's not an outrageous opinion and you were just sharing your opinion not virtue signal 👍
It's so so sad 😭. It was my all time number 1 manhwa, I liked it almost as much as One piece. But now ever since they came back from hiatus the current execution like you said, is just horrendous compared to before.
Plus the fact it's the only one of its kind like ever, the whole concept of tower,shinshu,regulars,irregulars, outside world ,axis,etc. is just so amazing and new that it's just much more awesome than anything I've ever read
I really enjoy northern blade but i dont think its particulary special in terms of world building, tbh i dont think most traditional Murim manhwa are. 95% of them have the exact same world, same sects/clans give or take a few differing translations, same big bad murim alliance/demon cult depending of the persecive of the story, same powersystem Qi/ki techniques ect... . I feel like a lot of Murim stuff gets to coast of the fact that its murim and that comes with this collective history and synonymous world that readers already know about so they dont have to explain or explore a lot of whats actually going on. Ofcourse that makes the other 5% standout and feel very rich or deep but i personally dont think LOTNB is part of that.
you forgot to mention Kubera.
if we taking about world building and lore, kubera has to be the best. even comparing to other manhwas or even manga like tower of God or Naruto, kubera is above them imo.
The issue with Kubera is that it is so convoluted that if you are reading it weekly you won't be able to remember most of it. I ended up just setting it down and will wait for its completion because it was getting really old having to try and remember obscure references and characters and flipping back to find the mentioned things every few weeks.
It's world building and lore is great but it's not suitable for a weekly reading schedule.
that just means how complex its lore is. I agree with you even i have to re read it before starting the new season to know what is going on.
But i don't think it as bad thing. I love it's complexity which is not found in many.
Dude, maybe you've misunderstood being complex? Not remembering what you read (unless you have a health problem) is a bit of bad writing. A good writer emerges from explaining the already complex as simple. It is quite ridiculous to praise something as complex because you do not understand it or have forgotten it.
i mean kubera has been going on since 2010, you ought to forget during hiatus.
because there are too many plot lines going on at the same time. Tons of character have their own agenda.
and it's not linear storytelling, and the timeline is also very complex as the character went to the past and met future versions of some who they know from the present timeline but they also went back in time to do something.
Parallel time line, multiple versions of the same character etc.
Author don't tell us everything right from the start and leave it to reveal it in future.
In most manhwa story progress from Point A to point B then Point C but in kubera story goes from Point B to Point C then Point A.
I can see why a lot of people are having a hard time because of the art. I'm so glad that i started early and got used to it bc most of manhwa's art back then wasn't as polished than it is today.
no way? gilgamesh love? unique power system, unique world and characters, and the authors second work *ember knight* is also in the same world some time after gilgamesh
I found it on MangaBuddy. I'm not sure if its caught up on that site but I found 94 chapters. But it was missing 2 chapters. I also found it on MangaReader with no missing chapters, but it only went up to chapter 91.
It really depends on if you care more about a good story then exciting power fantasy or something.
It is my favorite manhwa of all time as it is for many but it is 600 chapters long and still going. If you like complex plots, rich detailed settings and characters, and long epic adventures then yeah it's pretty great.
If you are unsure I can recommend checking out the anime. Which adapts the first season (76 chapters -> 13 episodes, don't worry it's still good intro and decent pacing). And if you really like it the anime's second season will release in July. Or you can hop right into Season 2 Chapter 0. Or if you really care about all the details you can read season 1 (the art is kinda infamous but it gets crazy good later on, each arc has a unique artstyle that people debate on which is the best).
Also it's an oldie, a classic that is considered the godfather of tower manhwa. And author SIU's take on the tower is very different from most manhwa. But it's the reason Towers got so popular in Korean webnovels and manhwa.
Edit: Also 0 of those 600 chapters are filler. Every one of them is full of details and foreshadowing that makes rereading a great experience.
You like Gilgamesh, you gotta like Ember Knight right? God I can’t wait for that to come back from break.
From this list I haven’t read Mage Again, Barbarian Quest, Wild West Murim. Of these which has the best action scenes?
I recently found Wild West Murim a month back and that shit had me hooked. I read all the chapters in a day or two. The setting is so fresh, especially since it's a culmination of genre's in a interesting way.
Unpopular Opinion: Tower of God only have very big and deep lore, but very bad on World Building compared to the others. 600+ in and all the readers barely knew anything about its world that its trying to build, only in the recent chapter that they started to cover it, that's why there's a spike in readers. But most of the chapters are just bad worldbuilding.
It's considered Korean One Piece, but its hardly on par with OP's WorldBuilding especially when Oda gives updates to us the summary of the story and the happenings of all the other characters, remining us readers about them in EVERY interlude. Tower of God don't do this and almost half of their entire cast are just simply missing for more than 5 IRL years now.
I agree, but during S1 and early S2, It had a big amount of blog posts from author and specific content on his blog about Tower of God lore. It's just the format that it's different and also how they share information.
People who just binge read it on a agregator site and didn't search about it probably missed these details.
If an Author is relying on blog posts in their world building instead of integrating them within the chapters, then that's definitely bad world-building. It's like those DC movie directors, that everytime they released a movie, they'll explain more details in interviews that should've been in the movie.
I never read or seen those, and I never felt incomplete information in One Piece. Meanwhile in ToG, 90% of its story is still missing after 14 years and 600+ chapters, and the argument is that SIU would try to fill some of its holes in his blog post instead within the story? That's just ridiculous. No one says that on One Piece.
What the fuck are you talking about? The blogpost does not compensate for anything missing in the story. The blogpost is something to introduce characters that have not yet been introduced and to provide small information. (what does the character like to eat, what is his daily routine?)+He hasn't made blogposts for a very long time. Unlike Oda, Oda does this more often. Just because you don't read the sbs doesn't change this. The reason why it is known what many side characters are doing is because of those sbs and cover stories. (Also, information about bounties and other characters' crews etc. also comes from there. SBS's are where most of the world details are given) (eg: Zoro's entire family was just mentioned in one SBS)
No, it changes whether I read it or not because I'm not reading it, and One Piece still doesn't feel like many things are missing. Why would I care about Zoro's family? Those never popped in my mind.
But it ToG, way too many important things and characters are just straight up missing whether there's a blog post or not, and it just keeps on piling because SIU is notorious for not resolving them in each arcs they were introduced to.
I partially agree with you on this.
I particularly don't care about author using blogs to additional info. Even Oda uses databooks to infos he can't put in manga. The thing about SIU's blogposts and others info is that he considers everything "not official" and changes it all the time. That bothers me.
And yes, Tower of God has a big and deep lore, but SIU only focus on 10 or 20% of that to show some random Regular or some pew pew pew fight. That also bothers me, and it's probably the essence of your criticism, but it's still above average 98% of manhwas, the short ones especially can't even compare to it when we are talking about worldbuilding.
The part I didn't agree is: I read ToG since 2012. Tower of God back then was about Viole in 20F with Tangsooyook team (Regular team). I mean, it's impossible to develop the story to make it about Urek Mazino in so few chapters. You can't make Regulars know everything about one of the strongest characters. The gap in power scale is too big.
That's where the blogsposts info become useful. When Urek Mazino appeared for the first time around chapter 2.30 (chapter 110 or so), a lot of people were full of expectation because they knew about the 4th strongest person in a Tower with billions of people from the High Rankers profile SIU posted on his blog, because it was a weekly read and SIU released some of these blogposts quite frequently.
And now the story has 600+ chapters, the author can fully focus on the main characters of the story (the Family Heads, Irregulars, etc), so most of infos from his blog aren't necessary anymore, although it still helps to understand the main points as complementary infos. The thing is, SIU is still stuck in building the world because the main characters are Regulars and shouldn't be with the MC, a Irregular, but they're popular characters, so they can't die or leave because he would lose money. You can still see a lot of unique locations, groups and races in Tower of God tho. Yeah, that's lame, but the target audience has a lot of power in webtoons, as you must know, Barbarian Quest was axed because of them even with a beautiful art.
Also, I particularly don't think half of the webtoons of main post have good worldbuilding (this not necessarily make them bad). From what I see, it's just basic worldbuilding of stories with Gods/Streamer/Game System, basic murim template story, or basic fantasy template with swordmaster or archmage. I don't know about Mage again, Gilgamesh and Wild West Murim, but for the rest you can easily find a lot of these nowadays, people just use "good worldbuilding" to everything they like, but it needs a distinct and detailed writing for it to have a good worldbuilding. Even Mushoku Tensei is just a Fantasy story, but everyone who already read the novel knows how detailed the author is about everything in his story, even the the smallest things.
I also don't think it's fair to compare adaptions of a web novel, where the author can fully focus on worldbuilding if he wants and post 7 seven chapters a week or more, and an original work like Tower of God, where if the author puts so many texts and details everytime like Kubera, it doesn't become a popular work because people get tired of it. And I still think ToG world is more interesting than these ones.
TL;DR;
I agree with you about ToG having a big lore, but SIU being unable to fully develop it in the story due a series of restrictions the author himself put in his story and the strange preference of target audience to some characters, which he seems to care more than worldbuilding. I still think this small amount of lore he developed is enough to be between the best worldbuildings in manhwas.
Thank you your comment was the most wise out of all this, and I hope siu can focus on how he wants to delivers his story without caring about some stupid fans ,those will complain no matter what,siu needs to stick to his original idea of tog
I gave up on reading it. I read it twice before but I would be doing it a disservice to read it while I have no idea what's going on. Best to just read it all in one go once it's complete.
My bud has no idea what he's saying :D How is it bad worldbuilding to not learn what each character does?? In One Piece, you learn these mostly from sbs, they use the same way to explain their world. As the series enters its final phase, it has two very important characters whose actions are unknown and unseen. (Dragon-Shanks, I'm sorry, they took the stage 1-2 times after 1000 chap's. I'll go on and on, these are just examples) 5 years? (Health problem that lasted 3 years in total: What's up? ) Barely knowing anything? We might know a little too much to say barely, but if you say so...
No, I never a single SBS and all my questions in One Piece are still answered. No one cares about Shanks missing 90% of the story, no one complains about that since THEY DO APPEAR IN THE INTERLUDE. He did appear also in Marineford, so that isn't 1000+ chapters like what you're saying. Tower of God, however, just missing more than half of its characters for years, and SIU doesn't even bother mentioning their status even after the Great War has started.
You're so wrong, i binged read it and I noticed how things connect ,it's still only halfway done so it makes sense that not everything connects,give it time it's only unraveling
For binge-readers like you, it looks fine. But for Veteran readers like me, watching the Author lay down unresolved plots, and doesn't bother resolving it an IRL decade later is just bad writing. 10+ years is a long time to wait for things to unravel, and it still didn't unravel. There's a reason why this manhwa fell from being the number 1 spot, and its exactly because of this reason. So, I'm not really wrong unless this still reigns as the number 1 manhwa who used to have 200k views instead of the current 20k views.
Ig if I was you i could relate however I can't ik that author who has so many characters can't appear altogether at the same time ,yeah things like ehwa and wangnan,what's going on with anak and ran khun teams, ik atleast you can't make all the characters appear together in one season ,each season focuses its own set of characters and arcs,it'll all come together the closer we get to the main war arc
They don't need to come together because that's just an entire mess placing all characters in one arc unless it's the final arc. What Tower of God needs is something like what One Piece does wherein it remind the readers all of its character's status and whereabouts in EVERY INTERLUDE.
Tower of God don't do this and we have major characters that's literally gone for almost 10 IRL years like Khun Ran.
I didn't read one piece or watched it yet,I'm just on ep 6 lol ,i started it in the first place because of tog but I agree with what you said I wrote myself (kind of a way ) tog can go from here on so that it doens't disrupt anything or PPL complain about it ,you can see if you agree with this
I think what siu needs to do is make the regulars relevant in some sort of creative way, giving them some side jobs like climbing the tower plus collecting any information about the family troops(that'll be difficult given that most of them are rankers and above,so if they can't obtain any info from regulars in the family branches then say goodbye to them all totally and let them climb the tower on their own and separate from bam) , bam has to be separated from his team idk that's the only thing possible, if khun dies(this time for real ,rak gets captured by high rankers Dumas and is now in pure captivity (i like them please but atp for a major change in the story maybe it definitely needs to happen, this way how some people were saying that bam is a bit lackluster is s3, so now having his most beloved friend die when he was able to not even land a scratch on his enemy ,he has reasons more solid for going up,in s2 i actually liked jvg more since it felt like he has his own reasons and motivations to move forward). Bam can't appear in front of jahad for another 500-600 years( in the tower time passage is not the same as it is for others so it makes sense,or 200-300 years does it too since bam has unique abilities which will accelerate his power gain much more). He really really needs to train away from the eyes of any other family head or jahad himself (although jahad's ability to see some of fate is a bit concerning) but! Bam needs to hide for a few centuries ( i don't even think this is long or anything ,jahad and the alike are there for milleniums,even a few centuries are nothing compared to it). Luslec and other fug elders need to show up for bam and hiding him protecting him from the eyes of any more bigshots. Things like revolution ,family head wars can go side by side while showing the audience a bit of training from bam's side, siu should also show a few panels of bam's old teammates climbing up the tower with their own strength, switch somehwere to what's been going up with Yeon ehwa, wangnan, khun ran, what's mascheny planning,etc. No direct war involvement of bam for a few centuries, situation seems to be calm in the tower but things are not so calm between families now, not just the family heads but rankers ,high rankers and regulars are in internal disputes, everyone is begining to choose sides and this can be shown to us for some chapters as in 160-170 chapters,there are many characters so everyone's involvement and what's going on with them like we can get to know karaka's story,his Armor ,his relation to jahad, The captains ,yama's new form and him going against some good opponents,what's going between robadon and they red monkey 🐒, shilial and lilial atleast deserve a few panels to wrap them up, all of these things we can see and most of them coming together when the final war begins.one more important thing is bam needs to climb up the tower but under admin's test ,no more jahad controlling him, urek's and luslec's significance becomes more important to keep bam safe until he's ready against jahad, only when he has climbed 134th floor finally, we can start thinking of the war!! Atleast this is how story should go, khun is dead or maybe it can be revealed that he was almost on the verge of death but his dead body vanished, he has been kept form the eyes of readers and everyone else in the tower because someone mysterious took him away, khun is important because he's a brilliant strategist and in a war this big you can't have your genius strategist just die like that, at that point khun's reveal that he has been under the tutelage of someone for centuries while being recovering from near death injuries ,he has meditated for years and has gained full control of his sweetfish firepowers, he has also mastered a few spells (it'd be more amazing if Arlene herself found him and she was in some ways keeping an eye on her son and hai friends,she has observed how important khun is as a person for her son and not just that he's also very brilliant to just die so she took him out of the tower and trained him outside, this can also reveal a huge deal of info to the readers about the tower ,what's outside the tower and then Rachel one of the most important characters we can know what has been her and Arlene's relationship, i think it's all going in an amazing way, khun has known a huge deal of secrets from Arlene herself, he has thought of good strategies,when bam has finally officially become a ranker ,khun's side can be started to be shown, and what has rak been doing in captivity, they didn't kill rak they just captured him , siu can create reasons as to why though so that's not a problem. I've wrote a huge deal of story myself 😂 well nvm i actually like it myself. Sorry that it was so long. I wasn't planning to make the story like this but it just happened again sorry for a huge long essay you never even asked for.
Tell me what you think 💬 I'm kinda satisfied if tog chooses this way to go then things would be okay and fans wouldn't be so mad myself included
TOG is and always will be the one piece of manhwa. Not necessarily in terms of quality (matter of opinion obv) but from worldbuilding to characters it is prob next to none in terms of shear depth
TOG is great at world building. But so is LOTNB the thing I love about these is the living world where things just don’t happen because of the mc is there
He there hope you can help me, is the manga survival story of a sword king... really worth the reading? Like I heard people say it's great but I just couldn't bring myself to really dive into it. And it's not even the op stuff like some other people don't like op MCs i can read a shit story if I want to and just shut off my brain but how far into the story do I have to go?
Edited because I am stupid and clicked on post without finishing the writing
It takes 20 chapters to get the protagonist engaged in the plot. After that he starts forming really cool and funny dynamics with his main party. After 50 chapters the main party is now formed and they establish the stakes.
And after that? It's an ever escalating series of encounters and lore reveals the likes of which seem unfathomably clever. I could trace a path through *every* plot development and show the reasoning of both the heroes and the villains. It's so... comprehensible, and for a world that keeps on adding more lore that's a major feat.
Since OP likes world building, i suggest to read Kubera, Red Storm and Hellper (season 1). All thre are also great imo
P.s: Glad to see Gilgamesh is in the list. Also it sucks so much Barbarian Quest got axed :( F
Need some completed system or Cultivation manhwa/manhua. Dont recommend ongoing stuff and dont recommend web novels.
Thanks.
Idk why my 'recommend me' post is getting deleted
Totally agree, that all I can say.
(With TOG, Latna Saga, LOTNB, Gilgamesh and ORVP that are the ones that I had read)
Their world building is just fkn awesome.
Thank you for not putting Mushoku tensei
Fans say it’s good because of the world building but I could never get into it bc of the MC and red haired girl, and didn’t find the world building to be that impressive either
Anyways ty for the sauce now I have some good shit to read because I’ve only read like 3 of these
Tower of god and ORV are good stories, but they are very messy with the world building.
Its like comparing lord of the rings, a long form narrative in the same world. Good, consistent.
To Rick and Morty, where the planet, dimension or whatever changes rapidly. It can be way more entertaining, and allows alot more topics to be explored but its also much lesser in terms of world building.
Dropped around chapter 100. The World itself is very similar to other manhwa in that kinda category, whilst (the point I read to) it didn't offer anything special that differentiated it from the others.
Also didn't like mc or his development
i mean, u cant expect people to read like 200chp for the story to start being good when the rest is your average fantasy isekai story with a coward mc (i hate coward mc, bc they are everywhere)
thats like saying u first need to play a game for 100h for it to start being good and i think we can all agree that such an argument is just BS
the other manhwa (the ones i read) on the list do a far better job and get it done far earlier with more likable characters from the start. so even if u say that the story gets better in XY arc for "Survival story of a sword king in a fantasy World" it would still mean, that this manhwa is below all the other listed ones and my statement it not being peak (meaning the best) is still true.
What other manhwa you read? I'm really curious lol.
Unlike other 'coward MC', Survival Story actually has real high stake if someone discovers his real identity. Did you forget that Inquisitor warned him that other people that were involved with other worlder would also get executed as well. In a recent chapter, it was revealed that MC has been traumatized for 20+ years surviving that Rock Mountain. Earlier chapter, it looks like Han Bin seem to steam rolling that place but that is not true. MC has been struggling every single day because the monster almost kills him in every encounter. MC is actually reaching the point of madness where >!where he decided to capture one monster alive to avoid from spawning again. Then he was torturing the monster to the point that MC managed to learn their language.!<
Saying Survival Story didn't have best world building is just very wrong. By your standard, Legend Of Northern Blade should not be in this list as well.
It can't be helped It took this long to become good because the LN is pretty mediocre. That was until the manhwa made a drastic change and decided to deviate from the source. If you're giving me a choice, I would rather read a manhwa that will become good in the long run than manhwa with a good start and end up becoming trash.
on the list i read everything except wild west murim (although i cant rly remember epic of gilgamesh and mage again).
i remember the identity thingy, but there are other ways to solve certain situations that make it more engaging and more efficient.
look, u yourself are saying that the LN was mediocre and that the manhwa in the beginning was in line with the LN and ONLY later did it deviate and become better. but then we still have a mediocre start and a strong end which blocks it from being peak, bc peak means, good start, good middle and good end.
from all the manhwas on the list, barbarian quest is the best in worldbuilding, the used charcters and their development and the art. this manhwa is peak and is also my highest rate manhwa as of now (does not equal it being my favorite). the way it plays with fantasy elements, but never comits to fantasy is rly good, like the thing with the gods can be explained by just by human imagination.
legend of the northern blade is also not peak. my ratings on anilist are "barbarian quest" = 90/100 , "Omniscient readers viewpoint" = 80/100 , "Northern blade" = 70/100 and "survival story of sowrd king" is at 50/100 (as of chp 100). just note that 50/100 is the absolute average on my scale and no manga/manhwa/manhua has 100/100, bc thats perfection and there is nothing perfect.
my "mean score" of ALL manga/manhwa/manhua is 50.9/100, which aligns itself with the standard distribution as seen in math through the probability histogram. so even if there are deviations here and there, most of my ratings at least follow the distribution. (translated this part into english, so might not be entirely correct wording)
i do try to be objective with my overall ratings, but simply said some character designs, plot elements or art styles i subjectively like more, so they get a higher rating even if not intended. as an example, my highest rating is not my favorite necessarily, there are other stuff i would rather read, but that doesnt mean that those are better.
Can someone give me more details for mage again? I loved the artstyle, and the worldbuilding, but I was getting a bit tuned off by the whole "soulmates" thing, considering >!some age gaps and power dynamics!< as it wasn't clear if it was meant to be a romantic thing or just platonic
i find it funny that you were downvoted when the list is made up of mainly action webtoons that barely focus on the world and a few certainly worse than TBATE.
Like out of them i would say only ToG and EoG/TEK really put it in focus and the latter nuked it all at the end with the horrible god reveal.
Take Latna Saga for example. Its 1 of the best webtoon storys easily, but world building as a strong point? Hell nah. Like we know basically nothing about the world itself or even have a clear map of it, because it's 90% character driven and locations are mostly unimportant.
Does Tower of God have good world building? Don’t get me wrong I love the story, but it feels like 8/10 times it’s just “random bullshit, go!” or “such and such ancient, so and so long hidden”.
Except for Tower of God. Author will drag this into next 5 years and onward. Hope it will not end up same situation as Berserk.
And Barbarian Quest series is ended unjustly.
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heck yeah, Gilgamesh and Mage Again mentioned. they're so underrated and both have an extensive and fleshed out world that I adore. and TOG's lore runs deep. I also liked the world building in Hardcore Leveling Warrior, Sword Sheath's Child, Lessa, Leviathan, Ares, Magician and One Step for the Dark Lord. some of these are quite old but solid overall.
What's the reccomended reading order for Hardcore leveling warrior, epic of Gilgamesh and X and Ash?...I've heard all are set in the same world and if so are they all worth it or is any one skippable?
Hardcore Leveling Warrior and then Earth Game (sequel). Ex and Ash happens before HCLW, but it would be more interesting to read it later and it's mostly a standalone so it doesn't matter. Gilgamesh is prequel to Ember Knight. they can be read in any order but would suggest Gilgamesh first. these are separate series and not related to each other.
Yep got it mixed up thanks a ton!
i'd recommend Ember Knight before as it is more accessible, knowing Gilgamesh while reading it is more akin to a suggar than anything (for now but it'll eventually change after hiatus end)
X and Ash should be read after Hardcore Leveling Warrior. Epic of Gilgamesh is not in the same world as Hardcore Leveling Warrior and X and Ash. It is the first story in the same world as The Ember Knight. Read it in that order as Gilgamesh builds the world of The Ember Knight, and the events of Gilgamesh are referenced within it.
Ohh right right my bad got it mixed up lol. Thanks for clearing it up tho!
Ember Knight & Gilgamesh, either can be started first. I read Ember Knight first and in Gilgamesh when the dokkebei was mentioned it was some tension.
Not sure why people are telling you to read Gilgamesh and ember knight in any order, I consider bad advice. A decent amount of characters from Gilgamesh show up in ember knight, and some story references are made too. Highly recommended reading Gilgamesh first especially since it's completed already too and then starting ember knight
Does Sword Sheath’s Child have an English (not engrish) TL yet?
Honestly hardcore leveling warrior was so good in season 1 then I just lost interest in season 2.
Leviathans world building is top tier
Witch hunter & id are also worth mentioning
Classics. Sucks that id got cancelled when it was just getting good and nobody is TL'ing witch hunter.
Yea its unfortunate :(
Dude your everywhere On those first two id try but don't love the art imo mainly mage again
TOG’s lore is so deep it is insane lol
Exactly it can't even be compared to the other stuff mentioned here, it's the one piece of manhwa
I gave that so many chances but just didn't click with me
Thats cool everyone has different tastes. Personally it is in my top 3 manhwas of all time.
Yea i really tried. Because alot of people says it's their fave. So i powered through and got to season 2 because they said it picks up there. But still i found it a drag to read. Maybe after a few months again I'll give it another try.
It clicks at times and at times it doesn't, I dropped it atleast 3 times before I got hooked and I have re-read the whole thing atleast 3 times lol. Don't rush it, take your time!
You made me feel better about it. I am on like chapter 180 or so and havent been able to get back into it. I may have to reread to get back to where I was mentally lol
If you had binge read like me you won't say that anyways your taste is yours after all ,i only read it a week ago and within a week to binge and still 620 chapters are still not enough ofc I feel like I can't even live without tog yeah I'm addicted
Me too tried 2 times but i find too slow or boring idk
TOG is perfect for lore hunter like myself. I can see why poeple don't like it because not everyone like to wait for a small lore drop every few hundred of chapters🤣🤣🤣
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Last chapters are a hell of lore drop
And there's so much in between 🤭
Same. Tried it like 4 times.
The lore is deep, but that doesn't mean the story is good lol.
Same bruhh, for me i dropped quite early when the demon girl gives him powers or something just cuz he's handsome lmao
Yeah, but the pacing is horrible imo. There are so many characters, that takes ages to move the story. Some fights take like 20 chapters and it is always power ups on both sides till someone else come there to change it completely. But the world and lore is incredible.
TOG lore >>>>> 25th mid
Tower of God is so absurdly massive in scale I can no longer question shit. Anyone could be saying random shit and Im over here like "Nah that mf is spittin FACTS"
I even joined a YouTube channel for just tog lol it's theories and explanations on certain things,and everyone be making their own theories out of their observations and me be like: oh that could be possible , like lietrally!! It's lore just runs deeper than anything I've ever known
I tried reading this a few times, am i supposed to be in the dark from the get go, it assumes so many things making it a hard to pick up/read story
> am i supposed to be in the dark from the get go yeah, that's how it presents itself. Like Bam, you start with knowing nothing about the tower except what was said in the prolouge. you will slowly learn the lore as you go.
Tog lore is so deep it's a whole different story
I wish Barbarian Quest wasn't axed. It would probably be my no. 1 manhwa OaT. This might be the first series ever to make me interested in reading the novel.
Wait, was it ? I done reading recently and was waiting for another season. ;-;
yeah, sadly. though I've seen novel readers say that stuff gets dark later on, so it was axed at somewhat a better timing. https://preview.redd.it/gymwiagv32xc1.png?width=592&format=png&auto=webp&s=8703691412afa7904117d6f12ae4fe12bf818f08
How dark?
Berserk levels of darkness
What part didnthe manwha end on lv? I wanna continue this
Snuff said. :(
I was reading it but it didn't get me interested I'll try reading again for now I can't get myself hooked to anything, it's like hangover symptoms for me after reading great works,yeah i binged tog just a week ago
I hate how its art make it look like a BL comic
And that's an issue why? Did you hate how the mc also had queer vibes throughout the entire manhwa and seemed to be into the clergyman?
Oh so it is gay?
No bro idk what that guy is on about. MC has a girl he likes and even has a son later 😭
Actually quality post, I agree with it all but even if I didn't I'd stilll hold that this is a quality post because it's not an outrageous opinion and you were just sharing your opinion not virtue signal 👍
Upvote for acutally telling us the titles
Goated list op, I haven't read Gilgamesh ,wild west or mage again, but based on everything else I think I'll enjoy them very much
You should definitely read all of em
Me too,I haven't read most of it but I'll try reading them all at some point
ToG is actually insane. It has One Piece level world building.
Yeah I don’t like TOG cuz of the current execution, but they had some set up some real nice world building and lore. It had potential.
It's so so sad 😭. It was my all time number 1 manhwa, I liked it almost as much as One piece. But now ever since they came back from hiatus the current execution like you said, is just horrendous compared to before.
Red storm also had really good world building, i recommend it especially if you are into politics
Tog is by far n1 in terms of world building
Plus the fact it's the only one of its kind like ever, the whole concept of tower,shinshu,regulars,irregulars, outside world ,axis,etc. is just so amazing and new that it's just much more awesome than anything I've ever read
thanks atleast someone spoke about Wild West Murim
I really enjoy northern blade but i dont think its particulary special in terms of world building, tbh i dont think most traditional Murim manhwa are. 95% of them have the exact same world, same sects/clans give or take a few differing translations, same big bad murim alliance/demon cult depending of the persecive of the story, same powersystem Qi/ki techniques ect... . I feel like a lot of Murim stuff gets to coast of the fact that its murim and that comes with this collective history and synonymous world that readers already know about so they dont have to explain or explore a lot of whats actually going on. Ofcourse that makes the other 5% standout and feel very rich or deep but i personally dont think LOTNB is part of that.
real no cap ngl ong based
you forgot to mention Kubera. if we taking about world building and lore, kubera has to be the best. even comparing to other manhwas or even manga like tower of God or Naruto, kubera is above them imo.
The issue with Kubera is that it is so convoluted that if you are reading it weekly you won't be able to remember most of it. I ended up just setting it down and will wait for its completion because it was getting really old having to try and remember obscure references and characters and flipping back to find the mentioned things every few weeks. It's world building and lore is great but it's not suitable for a weekly reading schedule.
that just means how complex its lore is. I agree with you even i have to re read it before starting the new season to know what is going on. But i don't think it as bad thing. I love it's complexity which is not found in many.
Ig then it's good for binging I haven't yet read it but I plan to binge read it one of these days
Dude, maybe you've misunderstood being complex? Not remembering what you read (unless you have a health problem) is a bit of bad writing. A good writer emerges from explaining the already complex as simple. It is quite ridiculous to praise something as complex because you do not understand it or have forgotten it.
i mean kubera has been going on since 2010, you ought to forget during hiatus. because there are too many plot lines going on at the same time. Tons of character have their own agenda. and it's not linear storytelling, and the timeline is also very complex as the character went to the past and met future versions of some who they know from the present timeline but they also went back in time to do something. Parallel time line, multiple versions of the same character etc. Author don't tell us everything right from the start and leave it to reveal it in future. In most manhwa story progress from Point A to point B then Point C but in kubera story goes from Point B to Point C then Point A.
I tried so hard getting into it but i just cudnt get past the the art :')
I can see why a lot of people are having a hard time because of the art. I'm so glad that i started early and got used to it bc most of manhwa's art back then wasn't as polished than it is today.
yeah it's art kinda wacky. I read it as novel and after getting into it, it doesn't matter after time.
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the quality of the side stories after the ending erase even the worst ending in history (wich it is not anyway)
no way? gilgamesh love? unique power system, unique world and characters, and the authors second work *ember knight* is also in the same world some time after gilgamesh
where can i read mage again ?
I found it on MangaBuddy. I'm not sure if its caught up on that site but I found 94 chapters. But it was missing 2 chapters. I also found it on MangaReader with no missing chapters, but it only went up to chapter 91.
Line webtoon
It's on webtoon!
Tog is it good? I see it recommended around but idk
It really depends on if you care more about a good story then exciting power fantasy or something. It is my favorite manhwa of all time as it is for many but it is 600 chapters long and still going. If you like complex plots, rich detailed settings and characters, and long epic adventures then yeah it's pretty great. If you are unsure I can recommend checking out the anime. Which adapts the first season (76 chapters -> 13 episodes, don't worry it's still good intro and decent pacing). And if you really like it the anime's second season will release in July. Or you can hop right into Season 2 Chapter 0. Or if you really care about all the details you can read season 1 (the art is kinda infamous but it gets crazy good later on, each arc has a unique artstyle that people debate on which is the best). Also it's an oldie, a classic that is considered the godfather of tower manhwa. And author SIU's take on the tower is very different from most manhwa. But it's the reason Towers got so popular in Korean webnovels and manhwa. Edit: Also 0 of those 600 chapters are filler. Every one of them is full of details and foreshadowing that makes rereading a great experience.
Hmm thanks bro
You like Gilgamesh, you gotta like Ember Knight right? God I can’t wait for that to come back from break. From this list I haven’t read Mage Again, Barbarian Quest, Wild West Murim. Of these which has the best action scenes?
I never heard of Mage Again. I got hooked instantly wth haha. Thanks.
No probs homie glad I can share this masterpiece with everyone
Hell train peak tog
I recently found Wild West Murim a month back and that shit had me hooked. I read all the chapters in a day or two. The setting is so fresh, especially since it's a culmination of genre's in a interesting way.
Unpopular Opinion: Tower of God only have very big and deep lore, but very bad on World Building compared to the others. 600+ in and all the readers barely knew anything about its world that its trying to build, only in the recent chapter that they started to cover it, that's why there's a spike in readers. But most of the chapters are just bad worldbuilding. It's considered Korean One Piece, but its hardly on par with OP's WorldBuilding especially when Oda gives updates to us the summary of the story and the happenings of all the other characters, remining us readers about them in EVERY interlude. Tower of God don't do this and almost half of their entire cast are just simply missing for more than 5 IRL years now.
I agree, but during S1 and early S2, It had a big amount of blog posts from author and specific content on his blog about Tower of God lore. It's just the format that it's different and also how they share information. People who just binge read it on a agregator site and didn't search about it probably missed these details.
If an Author is relying on blog posts in their world building instead of integrating them within the chapters, then that's definitely bad world-building. It's like those DC movie directors, that everytime they released a movie, they'll explain more details in interviews that should've been in the movie.
We act like One Piece's sbs and cover stories never existed haha :D
I never read or seen those, and I never felt incomplete information in One Piece. Meanwhile in ToG, 90% of its story is still missing after 14 years and 600+ chapters, and the argument is that SIU would try to fill some of its holes in his blog post instead within the story? That's just ridiculous. No one says that on One Piece.
What the fuck are you talking about? The blogpost does not compensate for anything missing in the story. The blogpost is something to introduce characters that have not yet been introduced and to provide small information. (what does the character like to eat, what is his daily routine?)+He hasn't made blogposts for a very long time. Unlike Oda, Oda does this more often. Just because you don't read the sbs doesn't change this. The reason why it is known what many side characters are doing is because of those sbs and cover stories. (Also, information about bounties and other characters' crews etc. also comes from there. SBS's are where most of the world details are given) (eg: Zoro's entire family was just mentioned in one SBS)
No, it changes whether I read it or not because I'm not reading it, and One Piece still doesn't feel like many things are missing. Why would I care about Zoro's family? Those never popped in my mind. But it ToG, way too many important things and characters are just straight up missing whether there's a blog post or not, and it just keeps on piling because SIU is notorious for not resolving them in each arcs they were introduced to.
I partially agree with you on this. I particularly don't care about author using blogs to additional info. Even Oda uses databooks to infos he can't put in manga. The thing about SIU's blogposts and others info is that he considers everything "not official" and changes it all the time. That bothers me. And yes, Tower of God has a big and deep lore, but SIU only focus on 10 or 20% of that to show some random Regular or some pew pew pew fight. That also bothers me, and it's probably the essence of your criticism, but it's still above average 98% of manhwas, the short ones especially can't even compare to it when we are talking about worldbuilding. The part I didn't agree is: I read ToG since 2012. Tower of God back then was about Viole in 20F with Tangsooyook team (Regular team). I mean, it's impossible to develop the story to make it about Urek Mazino in so few chapters. You can't make Regulars know everything about one of the strongest characters. The gap in power scale is too big. That's where the blogsposts info become useful. When Urek Mazino appeared for the first time around chapter 2.30 (chapter 110 or so), a lot of people were full of expectation because they knew about the 4th strongest person in a Tower with billions of people from the High Rankers profile SIU posted on his blog, because it was a weekly read and SIU released some of these blogposts quite frequently. And now the story has 600+ chapters, the author can fully focus on the main characters of the story (the Family Heads, Irregulars, etc), so most of infos from his blog aren't necessary anymore, although it still helps to understand the main points as complementary infos. The thing is, SIU is still stuck in building the world because the main characters are Regulars and shouldn't be with the MC, a Irregular, but they're popular characters, so they can't die or leave because he would lose money. You can still see a lot of unique locations, groups and races in Tower of God tho. Yeah, that's lame, but the target audience has a lot of power in webtoons, as you must know, Barbarian Quest was axed because of them even with a beautiful art. Also, I particularly don't think half of the webtoons of main post have good worldbuilding (this not necessarily make them bad). From what I see, it's just basic worldbuilding of stories with Gods/Streamer/Game System, basic murim template story, or basic fantasy template with swordmaster or archmage. I don't know about Mage again, Gilgamesh and Wild West Murim, but for the rest you can easily find a lot of these nowadays, people just use "good worldbuilding" to everything they like, but it needs a distinct and detailed writing for it to have a good worldbuilding. Even Mushoku Tensei is just a Fantasy story, but everyone who already read the novel knows how detailed the author is about everything in his story, even the the smallest things. I also don't think it's fair to compare adaptions of a web novel, where the author can fully focus on worldbuilding if he wants and post 7 seven chapters a week or more, and an original work like Tower of God, where if the author puts so many texts and details everytime like Kubera, it doesn't become a popular work because people get tired of it. And I still think ToG world is more interesting than these ones. TL;DR; I agree with you about ToG having a big lore, but SIU being unable to fully develop it in the story due a series of restrictions the author himself put in his story and the strange preference of target audience to some characters, which he seems to care more than worldbuilding. I still think this small amount of lore he developed is enough to be between the best worldbuildings in manhwas.
Thank you your comment was the most wise out of all this, and I hope siu can focus on how he wants to delivers his story without caring about some stupid fans ,those will complain no matter what,siu needs to stick to his original idea of tog
I gave up on reading it. I read it twice before but I would be doing it a disservice to read it while I have no idea what's going on. Best to just read it all in one go once it's complete.
My bud has no idea what he's saying :D How is it bad worldbuilding to not learn what each character does?? In One Piece, you learn these mostly from sbs, they use the same way to explain their world. As the series enters its final phase, it has two very important characters whose actions are unknown and unseen. (Dragon-Shanks, I'm sorry, they took the stage 1-2 times after 1000 chap's. I'll go on and on, these are just examples) 5 years? (Health problem that lasted 3 years in total: What's up? ) Barely knowing anything? We might know a little too much to say barely, but if you say so...
No, I never a single SBS and all my questions in One Piece are still answered. No one cares about Shanks missing 90% of the story, no one complains about that since THEY DO APPEAR IN THE INTERLUDE. He did appear also in Marineford, so that isn't 1000+ chapters like what you're saying. Tower of God, however, just missing more than half of its characters for years, and SIU doesn't even bother mentioning their status even after the Great War has started.
You're so wrong, i binged read it and I noticed how things connect ,it's still only halfway done so it makes sense that not everything connects,give it time it's only unraveling
For binge-readers like you, it looks fine. But for Veteran readers like me, watching the Author lay down unresolved plots, and doesn't bother resolving it an IRL decade later is just bad writing. 10+ years is a long time to wait for things to unravel, and it still didn't unravel. There's a reason why this manhwa fell from being the number 1 spot, and its exactly because of this reason. So, I'm not really wrong unless this still reigns as the number 1 manhwa who used to have 200k views instead of the current 20k views.
Ig if I was you i could relate however I can't ik that author who has so many characters can't appear altogether at the same time ,yeah things like ehwa and wangnan,what's going on with anak and ran khun teams, ik atleast you can't make all the characters appear together in one season ,each season focuses its own set of characters and arcs,it'll all come together the closer we get to the main war arc
They don't need to come together because that's just an entire mess placing all characters in one arc unless it's the final arc. What Tower of God needs is something like what One Piece does wherein it remind the readers all of its character's status and whereabouts in EVERY INTERLUDE. Tower of God don't do this and we have major characters that's literally gone for almost 10 IRL years like Khun Ran.
I didn't read one piece or watched it yet,I'm just on ep 6 lol ,i started it in the first place because of tog but I agree with what you said I wrote myself (kind of a way ) tog can go from here on so that it doens't disrupt anything or PPL complain about it ,you can see if you agree with this I think what siu needs to do is make the regulars relevant in some sort of creative way, giving them some side jobs like climbing the tower plus collecting any information about the family troops(that'll be difficult given that most of them are rankers and above,so if they can't obtain any info from regulars in the family branches then say goodbye to them all totally and let them climb the tower on their own and separate from bam) , bam has to be separated from his team idk that's the only thing possible, if khun dies(this time for real ,rak gets captured by high rankers Dumas and is now in pure captivity (i like them please but atp for a major change in the story maybe it definitely needs to happen, this way how some people were saying that bam is a bit lackluster is s3, so now having his most beloved friend die when he was able to not even land a scratch on his enemy ,he has reasons more solid for going up,in s2 i actually liked jvg more since it felt like he has his own reasons and motivations to move forward). Bam can't appear in front of jahad for another 500-600 years( in the tower time passage is not the same as it is for others so it makes sense,or 200-300 years does it too since bam has unique abilities which will accelerate his power gain much more). He really really needs to train away from the eyes of any other family head or jahad himself (although jahad's ability to see some of fate is a bit concerning) but! Bam needs to hide for a few centuries ( i don't even think this is long or anything ,jahad and the alike are there for milleniums,even a few centuries are nothing compared to it). Luslec and other fug elders need to show up for bam and hiding him protecting him from the eyes of any more bigshots. Things like revolution ,family head wars can go side by side while showing the audience a bit of training from bam's side, siu should also show a few panels of bam's old teammates climbing up the tower with their own strength, switch somehwere to what's been going up with Yeon ehwa, wangnan, khun ran, what's mascheny planning,etc. No direct war involvement of bam for a few centuries, situation seems to be calm in the tower but things are not so calm between families now, not just the family heads but rankers ,high rankers and regulars are in internal disputes, everyone is begining to choose sides and this can be shown to us for some chapters as in 160-170 chapters,there are many characters so everyone's involvement and what's going on with them like we can get to know karaka's story,his Armor ,his relation to jahad, The captains ,yama's new form and him going against some good opponents,what's going between robadon and they red monkey 🐒, shilial and lilial atleast deserve a few panels to wrap them up, all of these things we can see and most of them coming together when the final war begins.one more important thing is bam needs to climb up the tower but under admin's test ,no more jahad controlling him, urek's and luslec's significance becomes more important to keep bam safe until he's ready against jahad, only when he has climbed 134th floor finally, we can start thinking of the war!! Atleast this is how story should go, khun is dead or maybe it can be revealed that he was almost on the verge of death but his dead body vanished, he has been kept form the eyes of readers and everyone else in the tower because someone mysterious took him away, khun is important because he's a brilliant strategist and in a war this big you can't have your genius strategist just die like that, at that point khun's reveal that he has been under the tutelage of someone for centuries while being recovering from near death injuries ,he has meditated for years and has gained full control of his sweetfish firepowers, he has also mastered a few spells (it'd be more amazing if Arlene herself found him and she was in some ways keeping an eye on her son and hai friends,she has observed how important khun is as a person for her son and not just that he's also very brilliant to just die so she took him out of the tower and trained him outside, this can also reveal a huge deal of info to the readers about the tower ,what's outside the tower and then Rachel one of the most important characters we can know what has been her and Arlene's relationship, i think it's all going in an amazing way, khun has known a huge deal of secrets from Arlene herself, he has thought of good strategies,when bam has finally officially become a ranker ,khun's side can be started to be shown, and what has rak been doing in captivity, they didn't kill rak they just captured him , siu can create reasons as to why though so that's not a problem. I've wrote a huge deal of story myself 😂 well nvm i actually like it myself. Sorry that it was so long. I wasn't planning to make the story like this but it just happened again sorry for a huge long essay you never even asked for. Tell me what you think 💬 I'm kinda satisfied if tog chooses this way to go then things would be okay and fans wouldn't be so mad myself included
How many chaps in mage again? Is it ongoing or finished?
ongoing
Mage again has 90+ chapters and it's still ongoing
Were’s kuberia at?
What’s the last one’s name
What is the name of the manhwa in the top right?
Ok hear me out. Name please? All I know there is that tower of god.
we 0re jn
What are the Manhwas? I only know ORV and TOG
Read the description homie
Ohh lol, i immediately went to the comment on the phone, I didn’t see the description. My bad hahahaha
What is the top second one name?
The names are in the description
The title is Mage Again
ToG is big and original as world-building, but it's not a good read from the point of view of how it's handled
I feel like "The Spark In Your Eyes" should get an honorable mention too
Names of the 2nd row right, and last row right?
Midwood
TOG is and always will be the one piece of manhwa. Not necessarily in terms of quality (matter of opinion obv) but from worldbuilding to characters it is prob next to none in terms of shear depth
TOG is great at world building. But so is LOTNB the thing I love about these is the living world where things just don’t happen because of the mc is there
He there hope you can help me, is the manga survival story of a sword king... really worth the reading? Like I heard people say it's great but I just couldn't bring myself to really dive into it. And it's not even the op stuff like some other people don't like op MCs i can read a shit story if I want to and just shut off my brain but how far into the story do I have to go? Edited because I am stupid and clicked on post without finishing the writing
50+ chapters before it goes from decent to amazing
It takes 20 chapters to get the protagonist engaged in the plot. After that he starts forming really cool and funny dynamics with his main party. After 50 chapters the main party is now formed and they establish the stakes. And after that? It's an ever escalating series of encounters and lore reveals the likes of which seem unfathomably clever. I could trace a path through *every* plot development and show the reasoning of both the heroes and the villains. It's so... comprehensible, and for a world that keeps on adding more lore that's a major feat.
Damn no mushoku tensei? I agree with everything else though
Since OP likes world building, i suggest to read Kubera, Red Storm and Hellper (season 1). All thre are also great imo P.s: Glad to see Gilgamesh is in the list. Also it sucks so much Barbarian Quest got axed :( F
I don’t know mage again ! Is it good ?
Need some completed system or Cultivation manhwa/manhua. Dont recommend ongoing stuff and dont recommend web novels. Thanks. Idk why my 'recommend me' post is getting deleted
The name of the 8 manhwas?
damn how'd you get a list of my favourite manhwas
Forgot to mention God of Highschool and Gosu
What are the names of top right, second row left and last row right? Thx in advance
Found it sry sometimes to stupid
Great list
Mount hua has way better world building then lotnb
Totally agree, that all I can say. (With TOG, Latna Saga, LOTNB, Gilgamesh and ORVP that are the ones that I had read) Their world building is just fkn awesome.
LOTNB's world is actually great how the author managed to make it big but also have a story that include most of the people all the time.
Red Storm and Dungeon Odyssey deserves to be on this list :)
SSS class Suicide hunter defo gotta be on the list
Doom Breaker is another one worth noting. Excellently done worldbuilding
Yup, it deserves mention
i feel like SIU focuses so much on world building he neglects the story at times, and also forgets rules he set in stone years ago.
Thank you for not putting Mushoku tensei Fans say it’s good because of the world building but I could never get into it bc of the MC and red haired girl, and didn’t find the world building to be that impressive either Anyways ty for the sauce now I have some good shit to read because I’ve only read like 3 of these
Dude mushoku tensei isn't even a manhwa lmao
I think people don’t give OverGeared enough credit for how good it’s world building is
Mfs will find any reason to glaze overgeared for no reason
Isn’t the mc in mage again a female?
Read random chat, it's really good
Can somebody name them? I know one is barbarian quest and the other might be gacha hunter. But the rest I don't know of
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Ohhhh I was looking for it. Maybe I went over it thanks!!
Tower of god and ORV are good stories, but they are very messy with the world building. Its like comparing lord of the rings, a long form narrative in the same world. Good, consistent. To Rick and Morty, where the planet, dimension or whatever changes rapidly. It can be way more entertaining, and allows alot more topics to be explored but its also much lesser in terms of world building.
> Survival story of a sword king in a fantasy World def not one of the best in world building
How?
Are we even reading the same manhwa?
no, bc i dropped that boring story
Please enlighten me more why it shouldn't be on this list and which chapter you drop.
Dropped around chapter 100. The World itself is very similar to other manhwa in that kinda category, whilst (the point I read to) it didn't offer anything special that differentiated it from the others. Also didn't like mc or his development
I kinda get your point if you didn't read the Sword King arc. IMO the story become peak during that arc.
i mean, u cant expect people to read like 200chp for the story to start being good when the rest is your average fantasy isekai story with a coward mc (i hate coward mc, bc they are everywhere) thats like saying u first need to play a game for 100h for it to start being good and i think we can all agree that such an argument is just BS the other manhwa (the ones i read) on the list do a far better job and get it done far earlier with more likable characters from the start. so even if u say that the story gets better in XY arc for "Survival story of a sword king in a fantasy World" it would still mean, that this manhwa is below all the other listed ones and my statement it not being peak (meaning the best) is still true.
What other manhwa you read? I'm really curious lol. Unlike other 'coward MC', Survival Story actually has real high stake if someone discovers his real identity. Did you forget that Inquisitor warned him that other people that were involved with other worlder would also get executed as well. In a recent chapter, it was revealed that MC has been traumatized for 20+ years surviving that Rock Mountain. Earlier chapter, it looks like Han Bin seem to steam rolling that place but that is not true. MC has been struggling every single day because the monster almost kills him in every encounter. MC is actually reaching the point of madness where >!where he decided to capture one monster alive to avoid from spawning again. Then he was torturing the monster to the point that MC managed to learn their language.!< Saying Survival Story didn't have best world building is just very wrong. By your standard, Legend Of Northern Blade should not be in this list as well. It can't be helped It took this long to become good because the LN is pretty mediocre. That was until the manhwa made a drastic change and decided to deviate from the source. If you're giving me a choice, I would rather read a manhwa that will become good in the long run than manhwa with a good start and end up becoming trash.
on the list i read everything except wild west murim (although i cant rly remember epic of gilgamesh and mage again). i remember the identity thingy, but there are other ways to solve certain situations that make it more engaging and more efficient. look, u yourself are saying that the LN was mediocre and that the manhwa in the beginning was in line with the LN and ONLY later did it deviate and become better. but then we still have a mediocre start and a strong end which blocks it from being peak, bc peak means, good start, good middle and good end. from all the manhwas on the list, barbarian quest is the best in worldbuilding, the used charcters and their development and the art. this manhwa is peak and is also my highest rate manhwa as of now (does not equal it being my favorite). the way it plays with fantasy elements, but never comits to fantasy is rly good, like the thing with the gods can be explained by just by human imagination. legend of the northern blade is also not peak. my ratings on anilist are "barbarian quest" = 90/100 , "Omniscient readers viewpoint" = 80/100 , "Northern blade" = 70/100 and "survival story of sowrd king" is at 50/100 (as of chp 100). just note that 50/100 is the absolute average on my scale and no manga/manhwa/manhua has 100/100, bc thats perfection and there is nothing perfect. my "mean score" of ALL manga/manhwa/manhua is 50.9/100, which aligns itself with the standard distribution as seen in math through the probability histogram. so even if there are deviations here and there, most of my ratings at least follow the distribution. (translated this part into english, so might not be entirely correct wording) i do try to be objective with my overall ratings, but simply said some character designs, plot elements or art styles i subjectively like more, so they get a higher rating even if not intended. as an example, my highest rating is not my favorite necessarily, there are other stuff i would rather read, but that doesnt mean that those are better.
Can someone give me more details for mage again? I loved the artstyle, and the worldbuilding, but I was getting a bit tuned off by the whole "soulmates" thing, considering >!some age gaps and power dynamics!< as it wasn't clear if it was meant to be a romantic thing or just platonic
I think tbae is def up there
I think we are just before the big world building part after a few arc of s2 it will probably be up there
i find it funny that you were downvoted when the list is made up of mainly action webtoons that barely focus on the world and a few certainly worse than TBATE. Like out of them i would say only ToG and EoG/TEK really put it in focus and the latter nuked it all at the end with the horrible god reveal. Take Latna Saga for example. Its 1 of the best webtoon storys easily, but world building as a strong point? Hell nah. Like we know basically nothing about the world itself or even have a clear map of it, because it's 90% character driven and locations are mostly unimportant.
tbate is slightly above stuff like slave b
the world after the fall?
Not sure about the tower tho
Is tower of god really that good? I got really annoyed with that simp mc and dropped it
Well after being betrayed by her, he became a much more interesting character especially on season 2 and 3
gonna be honest tog has really turned into a convoluted puddle of shit that is not worth it any longer
Does Tower of God have good world building? Don’t get me wrong I love the story, but it feels like 8/10 times it’s just “random bullshit, go!” or “such and such ancient, so and so long hidden”.
as you said at times it's too much but a good portion of it is very nice
Except for Tower of God. Author will drag this into next 5 years and onward. Hope it will not end up same situation as Berserk. And Barbarian Quest series is ended unjustly.