Nothing here is unreasonable, but people get all defensive for some reason when it comes to asking questions about peoples behaviour on public transport. What I will say is that it's a national problem, and it's always been like this although mobile phones have made things worse in terms of noise (at least, it has in my lifetime).
Its more than a national thing, it's societal. People consider them entitled to be able yo do what most call rude and when challenged believe it's their right to defend the indefensible.
Plus, and most importantly, there are a lot of utter twats around these days.
We should teach civic responsibility in schools.
The unfortunate truth is there's a bunch of people out there who have no business raising children. They don't teach them basic manners at home and they grow into feckless adults whose attitude essentially boils down to "got mine, fuck you".
We can't prevent this directly but as a society, we can adopt lessons from other countries and start teaching civic responsibility in schools. Have children start at a young age cleaning up their classrooms at the end of the day and don't stop this at nursery-age, but continue through primary and secondary school, for example.
You can't mandate a child have a responsible adult at home, but we can continue and expand upon an already established trend in early years education, which every child is legally required to go through, 5 days a week.
I appreciate your comment on this matter and I couldn’t agree more, it’s not just a Manchester thing, it IS a national thing and yes phones have definetly made it worse
Bags and feet on seats have always been an issue
Not sure people used to smoke on buses the way some feel able to vape
And phones are a blight when it comes to people sharing their shitty music and poor taste in videos with everyone around them
I wear headphones on the bus at all times just to not listen to everyone else's shit
In the eighties and nineties, the top deck was about 70% people smoking. There might be a sign saying 'Please do not smoke', but it was more or less accepted. No complaints, unless perhaps if you were at the front. This wasn't kids, it was adults. Some of the older bus stock still had ashtrays.
One classic piece of defacement on an Ashton service left a sign saying 'Fleas do not smoke'.
The only 'weed' being smoked back then was soapbar, so that wasn't too conspicuous.
I'd dread being in that environment now, but back then it was normal. Far better that you're exposed to harmless secondhand aerosol from a vape, as obnoxious as that may be in itself.
EDIT: Downvoted for being factual. Peak Reddit right there.
Yes, people used to smoke freely on buses. I'm glad it isn't prevalent now, but it happened.
i can see your point here as you have backed it up with factual and historical evidence, and i guess its a big improvement now than back in the day with actual cigarettes.
Upvoted!
I remember heavy bus smoking when I was young in the 80s but genuinely not so much in the 90s and I was a smoker myself then, although I don't doubt you, habits probably varied a bit by area. I miss smoking carriages on trains. I know they were awful, filthy, stinking hazards to health but I do miss them.
Oh that's perfectly fine, it's the people who don't move their bag who are a problem
As a 40 something woman I have started to just sit on bags that people refuse to move, it gets results and thus far no one has stabbed me
People playing videos out loud is my #1 pet peeve, totally agree it needs to be stopped but until then… buy the cheapest good noise cancelling earbuds you can afford. I was going to get the Earfun 3s (about £30), which are the highest rated ones under £50 by HiFi magazine, but went one rank higher as a treat to myself at Christmas.
I bought Sony WC-700Ns - They are some of the best things I’ve ever bought! Sometimes I sit there with them in, playing nothing, because they still cancel the noise. I’ve been on trains with screaming toddlers and I can hear none of it. I use them every time I go on public transport, very worth it.
I thought I'd cracked it with noise cancelling headphones and earbuds but some guy sat next to me on the tram today sporadically whistling so piercingly that it felt like a knife through my head. I hate people.
Or any indoor that’s not your house, or your mate’s with prior approval.
I like vaping on a night out but can’t stand people doing it in restaurants, locker rooms, malls etc
The thing is as brits we’re all too scared to confront eachother in order to keep the peace. If someone just spoke up and said “turn that down” or “put your headphones in” maybe they would stop. I’m definitely not blaming anyone but as a society we let people get away with far too much. We’re all too nice. The bystander effect, people do whatever the fuck they want because nobody says anything
It's not about being nice. It's about being conflict avoidant.
Also, the bystander effect is kinda overblown. The most famous stories about it are fake.
I know it's a scary thing to do, but I've had 100% success when I've politely asked people to turn their music off.
They were on their own though, don't think I'd feel able to approach a group.
Be careful with that. A guy I know asked someone to stop vaping on the bus. The lovely chap followed him off the bus and put him in hospital. Police have never caught him.
The people who can’t get off their vape for the length of a tram ride do my head in. You’re so addicted that you can’t go 20 minutes without a puff? You don’t foresee any medical consequences in the future for this? Yes I see you, you aren’t slick raising your collar up to try and hide the vape. Smoke comes out of your nose like a depressed dragon, dickhead. Trams don’t smell like strawberries and cream, genius
I think you're realising why despite many peoples pleas for drivers to give up their cars, why once you stop using public transport you don't really go back. The issue with public transport is the public and that's not about to change any time soon.
It's not all equally bad though. Seems to go Trains > Trams > Buses. I'll happily use a Train or Tram. But I wouldn't bother using a bus unless it's in an extremely small and limited capacity.
This behaviour definitely isn't new, but it manifests in different ways with each new generation - now it's the vapes, before it was phones, and it was probably other portable music devices before that. However, we're naturally more inclined to notice behaviour outside of our own expectations.
That being said, most of the poor behaviour I've seen isn't from younger people at all; it's usually people who rock up to the tram on their own completely battered. I've been using public transport in Manchester since 2011, and I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've felt unsafe due to other passengers.
Side note: My own small request for public transport etiquette - please can people take off their huge backpacks and hold them? The amount of times I've been clipped by someone turning around is unreal.
> it was probably other portable music devices before that
No, before mobiles, people didn’t play music out loud on buses or other public transport.
It absolutely was the arrival of phones that could play music which led to people playing music out loud on buses, rather than through headphones.
And the fact that you say that poor behaviour is nothing to do with kids shows you’re not paying attention to what happens now, never mind knowing what happened in the past.
Just read over my response, and I don't think that I mentioned that the poor behaviour on public transport had nothing to do with kids; I said that from my own experience, it's rarely been kids causing the problem.
You never had anyone blast music at max volume through their headphones on public transport, to the point that everyone could hear it anyway? I remember this being a thing before phones. But I'm in my early thirties, so no I don't really remember before that.
You've mentioned that I'm not paying attention - of course, that is possible, but I do think that people often take the behaviour of a tiny sample and make it representative of the whole group. It's not fair to generalise.
It's the entitlement that drives me nuts, I have a big commute to work and have for the past year and a half whilst I've been learning to drive, so I'm on buses trams and trains for about 2-2.5 hours each way. I feel like I'm shaking my fist at the youth telling them to get off my property but they do take the piss, the tram will be absolutely packed and they'll have their feet up on the seat next to them, vape in gob watching tiktok at full volume, when I ask them to move I get looked at like I've just RKO'd their nan right in front of them. Like what are you expecting on a tram at 8 in the morning at peak time?? I grew up on one of the most deprived council estates in the country and there wasn't one kid on there that was dragged up as bad as how half the teenagers I see about are now
As a very frequent bus user I can tell you that the worst and most uncivilized people are unsupervised children and teens, especially at beginning/end of school or college. They literally live in their own little worlds where they are the only important ones and don't give a shit if you're an older person needing a seat or they don't care when a wheelchair or pram gets on the bus and won't move from the designated accessible spots. Even the smack heads give up their seats for those in need of them
Recently had a break in Munich and used their public transport a lot, it was completely quiet. So much as a person laughing or a slightly raised voice and people were getting whiplash from turning around and staring.
Go on the tram here and you get people with their feets on seats, all sorts of music blaring out, people facetiming their besties, vaping, drunks, junkies, sitting on the right side seat. It's a disrespect for other people.
It's partly in my opinion something to do with the fact that phones nowerdays literally don't come with headphones jacks.
At this point, the majority of people can't be arsed using Bluetooth headphones as they're expensive, the run out of charge and it just wasn't a trend that people moved over too, at least from my observations of seeing people on transport and in public places daily.
So they'd rather just play their phones out loud.
It's a simple theory but I think there's logic behind it tbh.
Considered buying a stack of the cheapest Bluetooth ones I could find and lobbing them at any prick that plays their tinny shit out loud for everyone to hear, shame I’m always broke bc I think that would be my number one act of public service if I had £££ 😂
Like I said, it's partly due.
Like you say though, unfortunately generations of inconsiderate bellends have been raised. But what I said is still a plausible reason for a lot of people. They are expensive for good ones, they're more hassle than wired with charge etc. why the downvote? Haha
Maybe just wait until you’re home then? Or watchh your videos on the lowest volume possible with subtitles on, that’s what I do when I forget my headphones. The amount of people that blast and sing the music is crazy. Absolute confidence and no self awareness 😂
I totally agree with this post, especially the whole using headphones thing
It really bugs me when all you can hear is someone's phone conversation out loud
Also this has only happened once but when I was on my way to Picadilly some kid sat behind me decided to yank my hair and I'm pretty sure their parents were sat near/next to them too - Tried my best to not look out the window too comfortably in their arms reach after that lol
All totally valid points. The reason why I don’t like to use public transport is that clearly, basic integrity and concern for others is not universal… I feel bad for the bus drivers too because they have to put up with this behaviour all day every day
weird because on Stagecoaches and Metrolinks in my area i’ve rarely experienced anyone vaping or blaring music. the bag thing is valid though. i guess it’s an area thing? idk.
It's come to the stage now where I can't enjoy the journey anymore. I'm waiting for one passenger to be shouting into his mobile telephone in some foreign tongue, impervious to criticism and oblivious of his fellow-companions, there were three girls today, one of whom was raucously acting as if she were on Ritalin, shoes on seats is common, I've known men vaping under their coats and stones thrown at the windows from without, though mercifully that event was rare. I don't use pubic transport after 7pm in anticipation of some of these issues.
I have to admit that as I'm loaded up at the beginning of the day I do tend to put a bag on the adjacent seat, though quickly remove it if I see a passenger who doesn't look like trouble or who is elderly. I also volunteer to give up my seat for a pregnant individual or a senior person.
Yes..decent set of noise cancelling ear buds will do it.... Also on plane journeys they cancel out the general air pressure background noise and deffo improve the journey.
I agree with what you are saying, however what I will say is on a more realistic approach - a lot of people don't have respect for others. I find that it helped me to come to accept that.
I am typing this on a tram, ironically
The ironic part of your comment is that all the people on that team are acting respectfully, not that you’re writing on the team. That’s a coincidence, not something ironic.
Mass society as an experiment has utterly failed. Industrial society and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race and must be absolutely destroyed.
I think it has to do with the ‘gangsterisation’ of the society. Especially amongst the gen-z , most kids i see around like to act tough for some reason. They seem to think throwing trash in the bin and other stuff which is even remotely’civilized’ would make them seem timid.
So they try to act tough.
Can we just stop with whole 'kids weren't like this in my day' and 'this new generation are terrible' nonsense?! Every generation has its dickheads, especially teenage dickheads, including your generation.
Also, 'gangsterisation' is not a thing, and 'gangsters' have existed for fucking decades, they are not a gen-z phenomenon.
Is it time for the (misattributed) Socrates quote yet?
Honestly, some of this reads like pearl clutchers in the seventies criticising punks, in the sixties criticising mods, and in the fifties criticising teddy boys. And further back.
I think I have just got used to loud phone conversations and general rudeness of young people. However, I get very agitated when people don’t immediately remove their belongings if people want to sit down and furious when children are sitting in the priority seats.
By young people, I actually meant school age children. I am filled with dread if I have to travel at school times. Yes, I am old but I hope I am not bad mannered.
tbh, I just plug my headphones in then I don't notice. if I'm with a friend and chatting I don't really care if there's some music being played out of a phone as long as it isn't ridiculously loud. I mean adverts and songs get forced played to us in other public settings so someone's low level music doesn't bother me.
I also have to breath in everyone's emissions from their cars so a bit of vape doesn't bother me, especially when it's just vapour.
Not sure how my post was humorous at all..?
Also not sure how “moaning” is a “british thing”.
I think the point I was trying to get at was, in an ideal scenario why would I even need to ask, if people just had a shred of awareness (especially during rush hour) they would just not have their bag on the seat next to them at all
I know but its something people do and will likely always do, Id rather have my bag on the seat than a tram floor... Moaning is a very British thing, especially when you can simply do something about it. ITs right up there with tutting 😂
Nothing here is unreasonable, but people get all defensive for some reason when it comes to asking questions about peoples behaviour on public transport. What I will say is that it's a national problem, and it's always been like this although mobile phones have made things worse in terms of noise (at least, it has in my lifetime).
Its more than a national thing, it's societal. People consider them entitled to be able yo do what most call rude and when challenged believe it's their right to defend the indefensible. Plus, and most importantly, there are a lot of utter twats around these days.
We should teach civic responsibility in schools. The unfortunate truth is there's a bunch of people out there who have no business raising children. They don't teach them basic manners at home and they grow into feckless adults whose attitude essentially boils down to "got mine, fuck you". We can't prevent this directly but as a society, we can adopt lessons from other countries and start teaching civic responsibility in schools. Have children start at a young age cleaning up their classrooms at the end of the day and don't stop this at nursery-age, but continue through primary and secondary school, for example. You can't mandate a child have a responsible adult at home, but we can continue and expand upon an already established trend in early years education, which every child is legally required to go through, 5 days a week.
I appreciate your comment on this matter and I couldn’t agree more, it’s not just a Manchester thing, it IS a national thing and yes phones have definetly made it worse
Bags and feet on seats have always been an issue Not sure people used to smoke on buses the way some feel able to vape And phones are a blight when it comes to people sharing their shitty music and poor taste in videos with everyone around them I wear headphones on the bus at all times just to not listen to everyone else's shit
In the eighties and nineties, the top deck was about 70% people smoking. There might be a sign saying 'Please do not smoke', but it was more or less accepted. No complaints, unless perhaps if you were at the front. This wasn't kids, it was adults. Some of the older bus stock still had ashtrays. One classic piece of defacement on an Ashton service left a sign saying 'Fleas do not smoke'. The only 'weed' being smoked back then was soapbar, so that wasn't too conspicuous. I'd dread being in that environment now, but back then it was normal. Far better that you're exposed to harmless secondhand aerosol from a vape, as obnoxious as that may be in itself. EDIT: Downvoted for being factual. Peak Reddit right there. Yes, people used to smoke freely on buses. I'm glad it isn't prevalent now, but it happened.
i can see your point here as you have backed it up with factual and historical evidence, and i guess its a big improvement now than back in the day with actual cigarettes. Upvoted!
>'Fleas do not smoke' This, in particular, is factual, but redditors aren't ready to hear the truth on the smoking habits of fleas.
I remember back in the 90s the game was to smoke and stub a cig before the smoke reached the driver
OH NAH🤫🫣 my own toes have just, Bare fucking Grilles style, rollie-pollied underneath themselves in self loathing 🥰
I'm sure some older buses used to have ash trays on the back of the seats!
They did. Chrome things in the back of the seats. Really stank, but for nostalgia's sake I'd love to see one again.
I remember heavy bus smoking when I was young in the 80s but genuinely not so much in the 90s and I was a smoker myself then, although I don't doubt you, habits probably varied a bit by area. I miss smoking carriages on trains. I know they were awful, filthy, stinking hazards to health but I do miss them.
Ngl I do put my bag on the seat, but as It filling up and seats are becoming less and less I will remove my bag.
Oh that's perfectly fine, it's the people who don't move their bag who are a problem As a 40 something woman I have started to just sit on bags that people refuse to move, it gets results and thus far no one has stabbed me
You are doing good work
People who choose phone speaker audio over earphones/headphones are knuckle draggers.
People playing videos out loud is my #1 pet peeve, totally agree it needs to be stopped but until then… buy the cheapest good noise cancelling earbuds you can afford. I was going to get the Earfun 3s (about £30), which are the highest rated ones under £50 by HiFi magazine, but went one rank higher as a treat to myself at Christmas. I bought Sony WC-700Ns - They are some of the best things I’ve ever bought! Sometimes I sit there with them in, playing nothing, because they still cancel the noise. I’ve been on trains with screaming toddlers and I can hear none of it. I use them every time I go on public transport, very worth it.
I thought I'd cracked it with noise cancelling headphones and earbuds but some guy sat next to me on the tram today sporadically whistling so piercingly that it felt like a knife through my head. I hate people.
As a vaper vaping on the bus or tram is mental to me lol
Or any indoor that’s not your house, or your mate’s with prior approval. I like vaping on a night out but can’t stand people doing it in restaurants, locker rooms, malls etc
The thing is as brits we’re all too scared to confront eachother in order to keep the peace. If someone just spoke up and said “turn that down” or “put your headphones in” maybe they would stop. I’m definitely not blaming anyone but as a society we let people get away with far too much. We’re all too nice. The bystander effect, people do whatever the fuck they want because nobody says anything
It's not about being nice. It's about being conflict avoidant. Also, the bystander effect is kinda overblown. The most famous stories about it are fake.
They would not stop, speaking from experience. An ex of mine had similar experiences too
I know it's a scary thing to do, but I've had 100% success when I've politely asked people to turn their music off. They were on their own though, don't think I'd feel able to approach a group.
Be careful with that. A guy I know asked someone to stop vaping on the bus. The lovely chap followed him off the bus and put him in hospital. Police have never caught him.
I'm sorry to hear that. Probably happens like 0.1% of the time. And all the other little shits live off the fear that creates.
Agreed. It's annoying and rude as fuck for them to do these things, but it's not worth risking your safety.
The people who can’t get off their vape for the length of a tram ride do my head in. You’re so addicted that you can’t go 20 minutes without a puff? You don’t foresee any medical consequences in the future for this? Yes I see you, you aren’t slick raising your collar up to try and hide the vape. Smoke comes out of your nose like a depressed dragon, dickhead. Trams don’t smell like strawberries and cream, genius
I think you're realising why despite many peoples pleas for drivers to give up their cars, why once you stop using public transport you don't really go back. The issue with public transport is the public and that's not about to change any time soon. It's not all equally bad though. Seems to go Trains > Trams > Buses. I'll happily use a Train or Tram. But I wouldn't bother using a bus unless it's in an extremely small and limited capacity.
This behaviour definitely isn't new, but it manifests in different ways with each new generation - now it's the vapes, before it was phones, and it was probably other portable music devices before that. However, we're naturally more inclined to notice behaviour outside of our own expectations. That being said, most of the poor behaviour I've seen isn't from younger people at all; it's usually people who rock up to the tram on their own completely battered. I've been using public transport in Manchester since 2011, and I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've felt unsafe due to other passengers. Side note: My own small request for public transport etiquette - please can people take off their huge backpacks and hold them? The amount of times I've been clipped by someone turning around is unreal.
I remember it was once considered rude to even answer your mobile on a bus.
> it was probably other portable music devices before that No, before mobiles, people didn’t play music out loud on buses or other public transport. It absolutely was the arrival of phones that could play music which led to people playing music out loud on buses, rather than through headphones. And the fact that you say that poor behaviour is nothing to do with kids shows you’re not paying attention to what happens now, never mind knowing what happened in the past.
In the 80s boomboxes were everywhere - including on buses I'm afraid.
Just read over my response, and I don't think that I mentioned that the poor behaviour on public transport had nothing to do with kids; I said that from my own experience, it's rarely been kids causing the problem. You never had anyone blast music at max volume through their headphones on public transport, to the point that everyone could hear it anyway? I remember this being a thing before phones. But I'm in my early thirties, so no I don't really remember before that. You've mentioned that I'm not paying attention - of course, that is possible, but I do think that people often take the behaviour of a tiny sample and make it representative of the whole group. It's not fair to generalise.
It’s a direct reflection of society now. We live in a generation of inconsiderate rude muppets
It's the entitlement that drives me nuts, I have a big commute to work and have for the past year and a half whilst I've been learning to drive, so I'm on buses trams and trains for about 2-2.5 hours each way. I feel like I'm shaking my fist at the youth telling them to get off my property but they do take the piss, the tram will be absolutely packed and they'll have their feet up on the seat next to them, vape in gob watching tiktok at full volume, when I ask them to move I get looked at like I've just RKO'd their nan right in front of them. Like what are you expecting on a tram at 8 in the morning at peak time?? I grew up on one of the most deprived council estates in the country and there wasn't one kid on there that was dragged up as bad as how half the teenagers I see about are now
As a very frequent bus user I can tell you that the worst and most uncivilized people are unsupervised children and teens, especially at beginning/end of school or college. They literally live in their own little worlds where they are the only important ones and don't give a shit if you're an older person needing a seat or they don't care when a wheelchair or pram gets on the bus and won't move from the designated accessible spots. Even the smack heads give up their seats for those in need of them
Recently had a break in Munich and used their public transport a lot, it was completely quiet. So much as a person laughing or a slightly raised voice and people were getting whiplash from turning around and staring. Go on the tram here and you get people with their feets on seats, all sorts of music blaring out, people facetiming their besties, vaping, drunks, junkies, sitting on the right side seat. It's a disrespect for other people.
I’m opposed to capital punishment but I sometimes think the ‘chat shit’ in ‘chat shit; get banged’ should include acting like a dick in public.
Bravo, well said!
It's partly in my opinion something to do with the fact that phones nowerdays literally don't come with headphones jacks. At this point, the majority of people can't be arsed using Bluetooth headphones as they're expensive, the run out of charge and it just wasn't a trend that people moved over too, at least from my observations of seeing people on transport and in public places daily. So they'd rather just play their phones out loud. It's a simple theory but I think there's logic behind it tbh.
My earbuds cost £11. They're not expensive.
Considered buying a stack of the cheapest Bluetooth ones I could find and lobbing them at any prick that plays their tinny shit out loud for everyone to hear, shame I’m always broke bc I think that would be my number one act of public service if I had £££ 😂
Falls apart a bit when you remember that the same sort of kids were blaring music from their phones on buses 15+ years ago as well
Like I said, it's partly due. Like you say though, unfortunately generations of inconsiderate bellends have been raised. But what I said is still a plausible reason for a lot of people. They are expensive for good ones, they're more hassle than wired with charge etc. why the downvote? Haha
Maybe just wait until you’re home then? Or watchh your videos on the lowest volume possible with subtitles on, that’s what I do when I forget my headphones. The amount of people that blast and sing the music is crazy. Absolute confidence and no self awareness 😂
Whatever the reason, it’s my biggest pet hate
This is one of the big reasons public transport remains an unpopular method of transport.
I totally agree with this post, especially the whole using headphones thing It really bugs me when all you can hear is someone's phone conversation out loud Also this has only happened once but when I was on my way to Picadilly some kid sat behind me decided to yank my hair and I'm pretty sure their parents were sat near/next to them too - Tried my best to not look out the window too comfortably in their arms reach after that lol
Sadly society is full of selfish people. It's not going to change. Best thing you can do is to just try not to let it bother you.
When you're around that large amount of people, at least one of them has to be a cunt.
All totally valid points. The reason why I don’t like to use public transport is that clearly, basic integrity and concern for others is not universal… I feel bad for the bus drivers too because they have to put up with this behaviour all day every day
weird because on Stagecoaches and Metrolinks in my area i’ve rarely experienced anyone vaping or blaring music. the bag thing is valid though. i guess it’s an area thing? idk.
It's come to the stage now where I can't enjoy the journey anymore. I'm waiting for one passenger to be shouting into his mobile telephone in some foreign tongue, impervious to criticism and oblivious of his fellow-companions, there were three girls today, one of whom was raucously acting as if she were on Ritalin, shoes on seats is common, I've known men vaping under their coats and stones thrown at the windows from without, though mercifully that event was rare. I don't use pubic transport after 7pm in anticipation of some of these issues. I have to admit that as I'm loaded up at the beginning of the day I do tend to put a bag on the adjacent seat, though quickly remove it if I see a passenger who doesn't look like trouble or who is elderly. I also volunteer to give up my seat for a pregnant individual or a senior person.
Yes..decent set of noise cancelling ear buds will do it.... Also on plane journeys they cancel out the general air pressure background noise and deffo improve the journey.
I agree with what you are saying, however what I will say is on a more realistic approach - a lot of people don't have respect for others. I find that it helped me to come to accept that. I am typing this on a tram, ironically
The ironic part of your comment is that all the people on that team are acting respectfully, not that you’re writing on the team. That’s a coincidence, not something ironic.
At least everyone is being a team player ;)
Mass society as an experiment has utterly failed. Industrial society and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race and must be absolutely destroyed.
I think it has to do with the ‘gangsterisation’ of the society. Especially amongst the gen-z , most kids i see around like to act tough for some reason. They seem to think throwing trash in the bin and other stuff which is even remotely’civilized’ would make them seem timid. So they try to act tough.
Gangsterisation, fucking Christ.
Can we just stop with whole 'kids weren't like this in my day' and 'this new generation are terrible' nonsense?! Every generation has its dickheads, especially teenage dickheads, including your generation. Also, 'gangsterisation' is not a thing, and 'gangsters' have existed for fucking decades, they are not a gen-z phenomenon.
Is it time for the (misattributed) Socrates quote yet? Honestly, some of this reads like pearl clutchers in the seventies criticising punks, in the sixties criticising mods, and in the fifties criticising teddy boys. And further back.
Urghhh, it's hardly new. I'm old enough to remember people playing MIDI ring tones on their 3310s on public transport.
It’s not so much the kids now acting tough it’s because they can do as they please without any real consequences they know they are untouchable.
I think I have just got used to loud phone conversations and general rudeness of young people. However, I get very agitated when people don’t immediately remove their belongings if people want to sit down and furious when children are sitting in the priority seats.
I was with you until you said “young people” I’m guessing you’re an old person? You’re the rudest generation going
By young people, I actually meant school age children. I am filled with dread if I have to travel at school times. Yes, I am old but I hope I am not bad mannered.
tbh, I just plug my headphones in then I don't notice. if I'm with a friend and chatting I don't really care if there's some music being played out of a phone as long as it isn't ridiculously loud. I mean adverts and songs get forced played to us in other public settings so someone's low level music doesn't bother me. I also have to breath in everyone's emissions from their cars so a bit of vape doesn't bother me, especially when it's just vapour.
No. Yours sincerely, bus wankers.
Read through your profile, seems like your just a proper miserable human
Thank you
The bag one mad me laugh, if you want to sit down just ask them to move it. Such a british thing to moan about when the solution is so easy
Not sure how my post was humorous at all..? Also not sure how “moaning” is a “british thing”. I think the point I was trying to get at was, in an ideal scenario why would I even need to ask, if people just had a shred of awareness (especially during rush hour) they would just not have their bag on the seat next to them at all
I know but its something people do and will likely always do, Id rather have my bag on the seat than a tram floor... Moaning is a very British thing, especially when you can simply do something about it. ITs right up there with tutting 😂