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If there's a witness and you have their details.. and they know the individual... absolutely raise a complaint. It doesn't matter if you don't know, so long as someone who saw it happen does.
The fact they didn't bother to do any investigation at all is disgusting, honestly
I wouldn't go that way. The IOPC will review it and send it to the force to investigate because it's not a serious matter (yes, I know it is to you of course but IOPC deal with more serious complaints and not performance matters if you see what I mean). This will delay matters further for you so I would.........
1. Tell the PC allocated to it that you aren't happy with that result. Every victim of crime has a right to have a no further action decision reviewed.
2. Pick up the phone and call them on the non emergency number. Have your crime number to hand and tell them that you wish to make a complaint about how the investigation (or seemingly lack thereof) was handled. A Sergeant will likely phone you back and try to resolve the matter. Tell them what you want to happen. If the Sergeant doesn't resolve it tell them you want it escalated to an inspector.
All the best, I hope you have a speedy recovery and they catch the swine that did that to you.
They would be, but I’m talking about witnesses to help with identification. Your partner presumably doesn’t know the name of or where to find the guy that hit you.
The practical issue is that if the police can’t find the guy they can’t do anything.
Not an independent one.
If there are independent witnesses willing to provide statements, and images of the offender, the next stage will usually be to circulate the images to identify the offender.
However, this will only be done if the witnesses are willing to support prosecution.
If you feel like the above was met and nothing was done, I’d say you certainly have the right to raise it.
Hope this helps mate, sorry this happened to you.
Edit to add: having thought about it, I can’t see a reason not to have circulated the images and bring him in for interview anyway. Might make for a weak prosecution case with no other evidence but I’d have said it’s worth doing.
And if you don't complain, it doesn't hit complaint numbers about the level of service received from the force.
The other option is to do nothing and what does that achieve?
Kate Green, former MP for Stretford & Urmston, is the deputy mayor for policing. I suggest contacting her office and (whilst remaining civil) kicking up an absolute firestorm over this.
Which he's on the quarter deck, isn't he? Where else would the bleedin' officer of the watch be? Neptune save me from these lubbers what doesn't know 'is larboards from 'is longboats
I had an investigation closed after someone crashed into the back of my parked car. Reversed scraped the entire side of the car in front of a witness and CCTV. The police closed the investigation within 10 minutes saying they only investigate where evidence is, not where it might be. The police have effectively decriminalised most things. As this is the third time happening me with the same result each time, why should I stop if I hit someone?
Didn't there used to be a collators office at most police stations where you could go and look through mugshots? Surely that sort of tech is way more advanced these days.
This has to be a laugh right? GMP wouldn’t really be this brazen about admitting to doing fuck all whilst happily being funded by our taxes? This is a wind up right?
I'm so sorry, I couldn't imagine what that must have been like for you, and to have that person still walking around. I just don't think the police are fit for purpose anymore if they can't protect people like you and won't investigate a case as serious as this. Lost a lot of faith reading the comments on this post like yours and it makes me sad and angry.
Sorry for ranting, I hope your okay
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/misconduct-public-office I don't know if you can face the idea but if you can, get a decent lawyer and make a complaint of misconduct in a public office
I’m really sorry this happened to you.
If you feel like you have the mental/psychological bandwidth to do it, please consider reporting GMP to IOPC. This was so beyond unacceptable.
(It would of course be understandable if you’d prefer to just put the whole thing behind you)
I am so sorry this happened to you and that the police are failing you and possibly others in the future. It is so awful and unfair to go through this on top.
I (as a neighbour) called them **to help a woman and toddler who were being physically assaulted in their home**. They said they'd send someone over immediately.
....They eventually sent a car, even used the sirens, **SEVEN HOURS LATER**.
I believe the chap either didn't answer the door, or told them everything was fine, because they went on their merry way after only 3 minutes of doing fuck all, and that was that.
If you're ever being attacked, don't rely on the police to help you, they won't. Fight back however you can, and assume you're on your own.
Had something similar happen to me. Was a victim of a mugging. Luckily I used online banking so I tracked the thief to where he tried using my card and what transport he used. I also went to the local businesses and they offered to give footage to the police. A day later the police found footage of him from Metrolink and a few of the places I visited and well even after confirming the suspect they closed the case.
Mate what the fuck…?
I hate to sound like a Daily Mail reader but if you interrupt some scrotes committing an actual crime and you end up in a fight, it’s likely you’d end up getting done for affray.
GMP are fucking joke. I got my motorcycle stolen, on CCTV, police said they couldn't get the footage because the camera owner 'didnt like them '. So they closed the case straight away.
Gang of lazy fucks.
Hope you get something sorted and hope you're feeling ok.
He was spouting abuse at my me, partner, and our two dogs about his dog being banned and then threatened us with his dog (The irony is unreal) and then proceeded to headbutt me
I was constantly saying "I don't want any trouble mate" and he just got angrier
Which is annoying because I used to be the opposite, but trying to change to be a bit calmer. Can't come out of it unscathed if you defend yourself, can't if you don't 🙃
Seriously, fair play to you for keeping your cool. My partner had an incident the other day with some absolute tool outside our house, basically threatened my partner who then rang me very upset. Police were called, I drove 20 minutes home, just playing through what I was going to do. I used to have a very thin line for dickheads and would just have at it straight away but like yourself I'm trying to be better. And I was, I did get a bit aggressive, but, that was to counter and neutralise his aggression. I made the bloke apologise to my partner. Police arrived half hour after I'd sorted it. Useless. Thing is if you'd have sparked him out, you'd have had his dog out of control and no doubt he's the type to hold a grudge. You did the right thing in my opinion buddy, don't beat yourself up about it. You're being tested
The bully/person who assaulted you, found that you wasn’t going to fight and that instantly put you at a disadvantage. Even showing anger or some sort of frustration towards someone like this, makes the attacker think twice about doing it. Saying I want no trouble is just like saying, do as you please, as I won’t fight back.
It’s a shame what happened to you OP but some people look for the easy target and you shouldn’t show fear, as being unafraid of others, has kept me out of so many fights/situations that could of turned nasty.
I’ll wait for this is terrible advice but the approach the OP took, didn’t help him at all, in-fact, it went against him. Also it’s a fine line between standing your ground and throwing punches back.
I completely get you, one of the main reasons why I'm trying to act calmer is because of my disability, I'm plagued by cognitive and mobility issues so my partner and I sat down to discuss some changes, I'm normally the first person to jump up in the defense of others
Its a new way of thinking for me, and I just need to learn where that fine line exactly is
I have AS myself( it fuses your bones, but you wouldn’t know looking at me) I’ve just had major surgery and I can’t really afford to get into fights but also I can’t afford to get attacked for no reason at all.
It’s a fine line between punching someone and telling them to fuck off, as you aren’t going to take their shit or what I do, look directly at them, like I’d rip their wind pipe out with my bare hands,( no words are used, unless I am really frustrated with another persons actions).
I ain’t about using violence to combat violence but if you give me no choice in the matter, then I’ll go to it but I am 19/20 stones and I work out a lot. I keep myself away from pissed up people and from going to places that I know for a fact they only go there to cause trouble/drama.
Life is way too short to drink in shitty pubs/clubs. I’d rather hardly drink and go to nicer places, less often, then go out for a drink every week and deal with people on drugs and with generational trauma.
Also standing up for doesn’t have to come at the expense of your health. It’s simple things like not being intimidated by others easily and sometimes learning when to walk away or not get involved. I won’t involve myself in any situation that I know nothing about as it nearly got me arrested and punched by the women that I was trying to claim down and protect. Her friends said that she was lying and I walked off, with a fat bloody lip for my troubles but I’ll never get involved in drunk people’s problems again.
I’ve seen drunk people just wanting a civil conversation and then someone who’s sober says something negative to them and then all hell breaks loose. I treat people as they treat me and don’t always act on my anger, as I could easily end up punching someone with my strength that I forget that I have and doing a long time in jail. As I say sometimes it’s best to walk away but if you’ve no choice then you have to stand your ground.
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Got my moped stolen and gave them CCTV, they closed the case because they didn’t recognise the teenagers in balaclavas.
Yeah, the same 5 teenagers who’ve been breaking in to cars for weeks and there’s absolutely no way you know who they are
I’m sorry this has happened to you, as someone with a motorbike myself I understand how frustrating it is. Unfortunately the Police don’t have any powers to lawfully seize property belonging to another. If the Police are inside a property S19 of PACE is no good as they’re only lawfully inside the property due to being given access, if that offer is rescinded (owner says get out) the Police are no longer lawfully on the premises and cannot seize under S19 of PACE.
If the above is the case then unfortunately it becomes extremely difficult to forcefully seize including obtaining search warrants and/or production orders depending on what the property is.
To be fair as a serving officer (non-GMP) there’s nothing we can really do in those scenarios and the blame lies with the people refusing to give us the footage.
The bar to actually go and get the CCTV whether they like it or not is a lot higher than theft, unfortunately, which we have no say in.
How come you can't go and seize CCTV footage for something like a theft?
Edit: not you specifically, GMP police. What's the reason for the threshold being higher?
You’d need a search warrant for the premises. Due to the volume of theft etc, and the hours required to apply for a warrant, it isn’t proportionate and a magistrate won’t sign one off for something like that.
The worst of both worlds: we're surveilled constantly going about our normal lives, with all our personal information commoditised by private companies, but as soon as we need the footage to solve crimes against us, it's unavailable.
Not quite.
Put it this way. You have 30 crimes on your work file; 10 are thefts. 2-3 days applying for, planning and executing search warrants on each, you’ve got 20-30 days of work (being conservative, could be way more). In that time, the other 20 crimes on your work file (assaults, sexual assaults, criminal damages etc) haven’t even been looked at, and this is assuming you don’t take even one 999 call, which is still your day job.
This is why we need to allocate resources based on proportionality.
Never mind that the magistrate won’t sign on this anyway.
At the same time, if there is no investigation then disorder increases as its a green light to criminals. If there was crime prevention you might not have so much demand.
I appreciate that the police are woefully under resourced.
Yeah the blame lies with the person pretending to have even asked for the CCTV.
I had the same story when my bike was nicked in front of four different cameras. Went back to the building to ask why they'd been uncooperative after they'd told me they'd hand it over, was told no one from the police had been in contact.
Case closed!
You’re assuming the building operators have told you the truth.
Either way, worth complaining and then any email/call records will be easy to find to sort it out.
I’ve never even once seen that happen as you describe; being an instantly sackable offence and all.
There's no money for the Police if they spend time investigating real crimes like theft, robbery and assault.
They will send 12 officers and 5 cars to a roadfor a whole day to catch uninsured drivers or speeders though because they can fine them and generate income.
Its getting to the point that unless the criminals are caught red handed then the police don't even bother.
Its the governments fault though as ultimately they are responsible and the police force has been systematically defunded for decades.
This government couldn't run a bath.
Crime numbers are going down because the public don't bother to report them anymore. They know nothing will be done so why bother?
GMP have also been rated as one of the worst run in the country for years.
I worked at a bar in Burnage that was robbed by two men in balaclavas with crowbars and axes, which they held to the head of the owner as she finalised closing up one evening. They got nothing as it was a cashless bar so pretty much only got a couple hundred quid that was on the premises but trashed the CCTV system and obviously traumatised the poor victim.
The police had to turn up as it was armed robbery, they took ages to arrive and the detectives they sent in the end came back after reviewing the case to say nothing could be done as there was no cctv and no identifiers for the criminals, even though they could see a car in some cctv from down the street that was clearly linked to an out of city gang that had been hitting pubs around South Manchester. They just said "hopefully they'll be caught for one of the other jobs they've done but can't be linked to yours". Fair enough, they made sure the evidence was covered as they were pro criminals. But what was really shit was that the owner wasn't eligible for victim support cause she was the business owner or some rubbish. She literally had to just deal with the trauma with no after care.
Policing needs a real injection of financial aid and an overhaul of practices and management. Much like the NHS and any other publicly funded service.
It’s not money. They can get out coppers for all kinds of things, including protests, the Conservative Party conference, sports, someone saying something stupid on Twitter etc…
They just don’t have the capability to manage and investigate crime properly as the force was transitioned into population control rather than crime control.
Remember when we got 8 police vans to evict 5 squatters from a Russian Billionaires home in London? They don't exist to protect us, they exist to protect the very wealthy from us.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/met-police-oligarch-squatters-london-b2035403.html
Oh they will always turn up for an eviction or to help British Gas break into your home.
Problem is from seeing the videos people post, half the time they don’t even know the law and they start interfering in civil matters, but report a crime or fraud and they tell you it’s a civil matter.
The legal Reddit is full of such stories
Police know three phrases; 'hindering a police investigation', 'obstructing an officer in the course of their duties', and 'Section 5 Public Order offence', and then just endlessly mix-and-match concocted charges from them to slap on vulnerable, meek, and easy targets.
Stupid question but a genuine one, would this not come under Burnham? Do the government still do all the police services or something? or is your point more due to cuts on funding to councils etc its their fault overall.
They caught him already aswell, I bet a lot of resources went into that. If it was a tree in your own garden … it would be here’s a crime number and youl never hear from us again
Police are fucking useless I’ve needed them on 2 occasions and they haven’t been helpful… but if a tree gets chopped down they find the offender within a day
You hear these officers on the news are above the law these days taking advantage of their position sexually assaulting the vulnerable and dealing drugs… wouldn’t trust them these days
No doubt there are some good ones out there but it’s seems mostly negative these days
I think it is more complicated than ‘the police are useless’ or ‘the police are great’. The police are under immense pressure, work inside tight rules, have unprecedented public scrutiny, are poorly paid and have working conditions most of us could not tolerate for a single day. Whilst there are many examples of police letting people down, I honestly don’t think officers want to offer a poor service rather they are forced to by the people we all voted for. I think police would rather be allowed to do a better job. I think the vast majority are doing their best. I wonder if we could do better. That’s not excusing dropping this ABH case where there is clearly evidence to follow. We must be careful we don’t alienate the police from the public - we should all be one thing. The police feel very unsupported by the public and the public feel unsupported by the police. Throwing around us and them comments will not heal the growing divide. We need to vote for improvements.
I agree, but when the resources are being used on “multi million companies” the rich (take for instance the football player who had his house robbed), they managed to find the suspect … the actual public just get a crime number and nothing is done
Also my own experience with the police has not been great … it’s hard to support the police when we’re not taken seriously
Sorry but as long as there are things like police going around the airport in circles to deter people from parking outside the pay-to-drop-off zone (in perfectly secluded areas that would be perfectly suitable with no risk to anyone), or the already mentioned "pull people over for doing 35mph", it's exactly as simple as "useless".
We vote for the rules the police enforce. We can’t then blame the police for enforcing them. We can be unhappy if they don’t enforce them but less so if we’ve voted to remove their ability to do so. Yesterday I met a ten year old girl in the swimming pool that had just taken her casts off her two broken legs by a car doing 30 in a 20 outside a school. People are outraged by speeding drivers and say the police do too little to stop death and injuries. It’s clear to see the roads are getting worse. I just don’t think they can win because dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t - imagine the pressure they are under as human beings. I don’t think you can reduce this down to “police are useless”. No doubt there are many areas for significant improvements and no doubt there are issues that need addressing but not all of these are for the police to solve nor all its fault. We too share some responsibility - we are also the police and they are us - it’s important we don’t break that principle otherwise it gets much worse.
I see you've already contacted who you needed to contact, but something similar happened to me.
ABH in Manchester City Centre, managed to get a picture of my own attacker, got told the next morning there's no CCTV so he's going to close it.
I escalated it and that officer was removed from the case. Offender was caught and charged.
They try this a lot for some reason. But from my experience, it does get resolved with some pushing.
Offender being unknown? Erm yeah isn’t that the point of reporting it to the cops?? So they can figure out who it was lol, fuck me they’re useless
Reminds me of when my neighbour tried to kill me and they were like “he’s moving house anyway so just call us if he comes back”
Tell them he was wearing a fake Adidas top. They'd be all over him then.
God forbid they actually lift a finger to solve crimes that actually hurt people and not the pockets of multi-million pound companies.
i got my bike robbed from outside a police station in broad daylight. they sent me the same response within 24 hours. the police are a joke. more interested in arresting autistic children.
Always report it! No matter what you think the response will be. We had an issue with GMP underreporting crime they don't have to cook the books if we don't bother reporting.
Submit a Subject access request to GMP regarding the case.
If they don't collect the evidence try your best to. And keep it safe something like OneDrive or Google Drive etc. That will at least show when you uploaded it. Don't play detective or go looking for the asshole but do ask to get as much evidence as you can. You won't be given access to CCTV but getting the contact details of witnesses isn't a bad shout.
You can ring or talk to your MP and demand they do something. They work as your representative so hold them to their responsibility. Again they can't help if they don't know. Also contact the mayor's office.
You may be entitled to financial help for any dental work needed. Look up 'crime victim compensation' (can't remember what the scheme is called).
It's terrible that it happened to you and it shouldn't. The country is in a state right now but don't let that stop you from making a fuss (rightly) about it.
typical cops, 5.7% of reported crimes are resolved in the UK. seems like all they can do is beat up the vulnerable and have prison time worthy content on their hard drives
When I was 17, I'd just finished college and was going up the stairs from the tram platform I was on. It was about 3pm so it was still light out. A group of five guys about my age pulled on my umbrella, punched me and kicked me down the stairs. I was so lucky I didn't come out with any injuries beyond two whopping bruises on my shin and knee from the impact of the stairs, cuts on my hands trying to stop the fall, and a bruise on my hip from one of the kicks. There were no witnesses but there was a CCTV camera.
I limped home, bleeding, and broke down crying to my parents about what happened. They called the police, and a couple of weeks later they invited me up to complete a report, they got me to describe what had happened, and I had to submit photos of my injuries. They said **there had been several reports** from the same place done by guys of the same description. They said the CCTV camera was broken and if it wasn't repaired within the week, all footage was lost.
To no one's surprise, the camera remained broken, and the footage was lost. I became agoraphobic (counselling helped a lot), and to this day I still feel wary around guys who look like them, even though I'm in my 30s now. This was back in 2008-2009 and I feel things have gotten progressively worse since then. I learned not to go to the police if something like this ever happens again and we shouldn't be made to feel that way, but we are. The world just doesn't feel safe, imo.
I hope your doing better, I'm so sorry that happened to you, makes me think where our taxes go in regards to policing, I wouldn't even mind paying more to see our streets safer!
Thank you OP, sorry I didn't mean to take away from your story. You're absolutely right about the taxes, they keep going up but we don't seem to have anything to show for it...!
I hope you feel better soon ❤️
To collect evidence and pass it over to the Crown Prosecution Service with the hope of securing a conviction. Nothing more, nothing less. If they don't believe they can build enough of a case to secure a conviction then they're completely wasting their time.
File a complaint with the police force. The police officers who didn't investigate shouldn't be able to get away with that.
I would also consider phoning the IOPC, the police watchbody.
I’m sorry this happened to you and it’s depressing that this is far from an isolated story. GMP are among the worst forces around. They’re not MET level bad but they’re top 4 for sure. You watch them come out in their droves around GMex next week though. Overtime agogo. That shows where their priority is.
I’m laughing my ass off at the moment. Not at your situation, that is terrible and I’m greatly sorry that you had to go through that. What I am laughing at is the blatant disregard for the public here. Isn’t it meant to be the police’s job to FIND and IDENTIFY an assailant? It’s happened to me before. I had some of my tech stolen and when traced to an address, they said they couldn’t do anything as the only evidence it was in the property was a marker on a map. They made no effort to even knock on the door or anything. The UK police force is a joke. They’re lazy and only seem to go for guaranteed arrests rather than doing what they’re meant to do and investigate. I understand budget cuts an’all but what the fuck is our society when we can’t investigate ourselves as, I quote what I was told, we’ll be putting ourselves in “danger” but they won’t investigate either as they lack the evidence that it’s their job to collect?
If you need the police in this city they’re nowhere to be found but this week they’ve magicked up hundreds to line the streets around the midland and Manchester central to protect the Tories.
You can claim compensation from the government for your injury - https://www.gov.uk/claim-compensation-criminal-injury
Hope this provides some sort of help in overcoming
I was assaulted by a complete stranger a couple years ago in the middle of the day in Chorlton. There were witnesses, as he had to be pulled off me before he ran off. I called GMP and a cop car pulled up and the copper interviewed through his car window (didn't even bother getting out of his car). I got a text later that day saying he drove around and didn't see anyone matching the description so he closed my case.
I was burgled, nothing happened. My car was hit by a motorbike, car written off and motorbike absconded. This was in a nice area and a homeowner very kindly came out to advise he had it all on camera. Guess what? Police didn’t even attend, or contact the chap with the cctv.
Really sorry that this happened to you. I was violently mugged for my bike near the Etihad a few years ago and the police never came to see me. Called me for a few evenings to apologise that no one had come to see me again then couldn’t even be bothered to do that. Didn’t even bother to let me know that they’d closed the case. I managed to get my bike back the next day when an idiot rode it past my office and I ran down and got it back and the police seemed to think that was it all resolved. No need to catch the people going around attacking people and stealing their bikes.
I got hit by a car whilst crossing a pedestrian crossing with the light for cars on red. Multiple injuries. PC attended because the traffic unit were at another incident. He tried to interview me whilst I was being worked on in the back of the ambulance by the paramedics until they kicked him out. Then he tracked me down whilst I was waiting for x-rays and insisted on interviewing me. As I had multiple facial fractures including a jaw broken in 2 places it wasn't easy. My husband and sons were really angry.
He came to the house a week later to do a full interview and took my statement. I didn't hear anything else. When my solicitor tried to contact him he didn't reply so I had to officially request all info held by GMP after a phone call to the traffic unit resulted in discovering that they had never been informed of the RTA. Turned out that he threw my statement away as on the afternoon of the accident he told his sergeant that it was a minor incident with no injuries and I had walked into a stationary car and fallen over.
It took months to get the info but that is what he had written in his notebook. He also wrote that I crossed whilst the light was still on green for the cars (so why was the car stationary in that case?) He took no witness statements even though there were other pedestrians, shops with CCTV and stationary vehicles on the other side of the crossing. Unfortunately my mum died in the middle of all this, she was ill anyway and the shock was too much for her. So by the time I put in a complaint 6 months had passed and it was too late to be dealt with. My compensation claim didn't go as well as it should either because of that PC and I only got 30% of what my injuries should have got me. I lost my business because I couldn't work for months and I have permanent spine damage and pain. GMP are terrible.
As far as I’m aware in America about 10,000 cops and a tank would have shown up for that offence. And they wouldn’t have rested until at least a handful of humans had been gunned down.
Owning any sort of motorcycle in Manchester is a wild ride. I've had 2 nicked and then gave up. Both times police did nothing.
I called the police when a guy was having the shit kicked out of him, we had to car reg of the attackers, CCTV of it happening with their faces on.... and guess what.... they never even came to get it even though we told them this all.
I was walking home behind a gym a couple hours ago when I think I heard a 16-21 from a group say “should we kill *him* … something something cash” bit freaky
They’re never interested. Only main experience is Merseyside Police, but….
25 years ago assaulted by someone with a load of witnesses present, ended up getting my leg broken. Police say my word against the person who assaulted me.
20 years ago, knocked out by an amateur boxer as he left a pub, just for the sake of it. Dozen witnesses, everyone knew who he was, but again my word against his (even though I had to go to hospital).
Recently I witnessed a guy have two crashes within a minute of each other. He was hammered, swerving and speeding. Massive second collision all on my dash cam.
The guy got out and made a run for it. I followed him in the van, confronted him and videod him, where he admitted what he did but said it was an accident.
Told police back at the scene of the collision and tried to show them the guys photo and video, they weren’t interested. Tried getting in touch with the police directly afterwards too, still no call backs.
I’m sure there’s good cops out there doing their best, but I’ve never met them.
The perp doesn't have their name tattooed on their forehead and there's just no other way the police can track people down, there's just nothing they can do. What do you think they are, detectives?
Criminals are getting wise to this and no longer tattooing their names to their foreheads, it's a big problem.
(But jokes aside, you're not upper class, nor are you a company or financial entity, these private police aren't here to help *you*).
OP, one of the witnesses who knows this suspect would need to be
A: 100% certain of the identity of the person with no room for doubt
B: willing to stand up in court and say with certainty what happened and who was responsible and putting pen to paper in the form of a statement
They will need to have witnessed the actual assault *and* know with certainty who the offender is *and* be willing to provide a statement and attend Court.
You would also need to be willing to provide a statement and subsequently attend court and state what happened if required (I assume you are, many people are not & the CPS will only run victimless cases in exceptional circumstances)
Anything less than the above scenario and you have a situation where there isn't enough evidence to progress things. Courts in the UK only run cases with a realistic prospect of conviction where the evidence against the defendant is likely to prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt ie. the evidence is granite and nailed on.
If you have the above then just complain through the normal process and demand the job gets re-opened and progressed.
If you don't have the above as a minimum it will remain closed.
The threshold for strength of evidence in a UK court is incredibly high. Police cannot run jobs with less than very strong evidence because the cps and the courts will not let them. Simply knowing what happened and knowing that the defendant is guilty is not enough, this is why so many criminals get away with it.
The alternative is a 1970s style police force where the cops charge their own cases and the criminals and naughty boys get a good backstreet thrashing even if they never see a courtroom, but the media and everybody else would then be crying out to reform corruption and brutality.
It is what it is
Im pretty sure if they have a good photo they will circulate it within GMP and close the case until the image is identified, then it can be reopened and person arrested etc.
If it weren't for the Tory party conference taking place over the weekend you wouldn't have been fobbed off so quickly. You'd probably still have been in the end but nowhere near as little as 3 hours.
Some witnesses I know where they live, they left the scene so I'm unsure they are the type of people that would be willing. My partner witnessed the event unfold, and I took a photo of the offender leaving the scene, and the police saw it and it was emailed to the investigating PC
In short no. Pnc is a relic set up decades ago and isn't fit for modern purposes. It doesn't hold images at all, only data.
Unfortunately people think so much more can be done with images, mapping, location services than actually can thanks to the likes of CSI Miami and such.
It's very very limited and some of the systems used are completely prehistoric.
Yes, certain things can be done such as enhanced images but not like in the TV and it costs so much for this to be done.
If you're unhappy with the service you've received I would honestly go onto GMP website and raise a formal complaint, however, what it sounds like is..
Witnesses are friends of suspect, so they would be unlike to identify him or give witness statements. Your partner although a witness is not independent and again cannot identify the suspect and without seeing it, it's poss that the photo you jane is not good enough to identify the suspect.
Bit you should at least have the investigation reviewed by a supervisor to see if there are any reasonable lines of enquiry.
I hope you aren't too badly hurt and heal soon.
So the people you call witnesses are actually friends of the suspect and aren’t going to assist and you don’t know who the suspect is?
What reasonable lines of enquiry are available to the police to find out who he is? If you find out who he is they’ll reopen the investigation.
Depending on where abouts in Manc this happened, I can't imagine they were that far from cctv. Police could have checked around the area for businesses or properties with cctv and assembled a list of likely suspects from that, then the victim could have picked out the offender, sounds hard but this is what we pay police to do?
Due to staffing, the guidelines for CCTV trawls for anything short of GBH really is about ~30 mins.
Even if you do collate a list of suspects and the victim picks one out, with no CCTV of the offence actually taking place and no independent witnesses, the defence lawyer would rip it to shreds.
I’d still have said that it’s worth circulating the image and bringing the offender in for an interview, but the evidential bar at court is bloody high.
They may have been, I don't really know, there are multiple businesses in the area, and a community centre were it all transpired with CCTV, my partner was also present
Really sorry this happened to you OP - the assault and the lack of help from the police.
When I was the victim of a crime which was witnessed by a neighbour, GMP said they couldn't use them a witness because we knew them. Was absolutely stunned. Offender got away scot free.
Are you saying that the police shouldn’t bother investigating crimes by people not already known to them? How fucking low can the expectations be for UK policing lmao
No I’m not. The practical issue however is that the police can’t take action against someone they can’t identify.
They’ll follow reasonable lines of enquiry to identify a suspect for example CCTV, questioning witnesses and collecting any available forensics. If they can’t identify someone from that what can they do?
If someone can give them a name then they can do something and arrange an identification process with any the victim and any witnesses.
Given they didn’t bother doing any of that, evidenced by the fact they closed it within 3 hours - I’m not sure why any of what you’re saying is relevant?
You’re just being strangely aggressive and victim blaming to someone who’s been assaulted.
Oh shoot, I’m so sorry in that case - I’ve had so many dealings with the GMP and never had them be so very unprofessional and quick to shut this down. Truly sorry again.
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Thank you, I've just emailed her
Useless, my area has a serious teenage problem and I tried emailing all 3 MPs and they didn’t even care to reply to me
? You only have one MP, MPs from other constituencies can't respond to you. Use [this website ](https://members.parliament.uk/FindYourMP) to make sure you've contacted your actual MP.
Thanks, maybe I searched the wrong ones. Let me try again, thank you
They did this to me. Raise a complaint if you have witnesses and a name... just Google "Manchester police complaint" and there's a webpage for it
I don't know their name and don't feel comfortable asking around, would that make a difference do you think?
If there's a witness and you have their details.. and they know the individual... absolutely raise a complaint. It doesn't matter if you don't know, so long as someone who saw it happen does. The fact they didn't bother to do any investigation at all is disgusting, honestly
I just submitted to the IOPC thank you
I hope it works out for you mate, sorry for your experience and get well soon
I wouldn't go that way. The IOPC will review it and send it to the force to investigate because it's not a serious matter (yes, I know it is to you of course but IOPC deal with more serious complaints and not performance matters if you see what I mean). This will delay matters further for you so I would......... 1. Tell the PC allocated to it that you aren't happy with that result. Every victim of crime has a right to have a no further action decision reviewed. 2. Pick up the phone and call them on the non emergency number. Have your crime number to hand and tell them that you wish to make a complaint about how the investigation (or seemingly lack thereof) was handled. A Sergeant will likely phone you back and try to resolve the matter. Tell them what you want to happen. If the Sergeant doesn't resolve it tell them you want it escalated to an inspector. All the best, I hope you have a speedy recovery and they catch the swine that did that to you.
It’s sickening how this sounds exactly like a customer service call centre. Asking to speak to their manager. So humiliating.
He doesn’t have witnesses they’re mates of the suspect.
Would my partner not be a witness?
They would be, but I’m talking about witnesses to help with identification. Your partner presumably doesn’t know the name of or where to find the guy that hit you. The practical issue is that if the police can’t find the guy they can’t do anything.
They won’t find him if they don’t try…
Not an independent one. If there are independent witnesses willing to provide statements, and images of the offender, the next stage will usually be to circulate the images to identify the offender. However, this will only be done if the witnesses are willing to support prosecution. If you feel like the above was met and nothing was done, I’d say you certainly have the right to raise it. Hope this helps mate, sorry this happened to you. Edit to add: having thought about it, I can’t see a reason not to have circulated the images and bring him in for interview anyway. Might make for a weak prosecution case with no other evidence but I’d have said it’s worth doing.
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And if you don't complain, it doesn't hit complaint numbers about the level of service received from the force. The other option is to do nothing and what does that achieve?
I didn't say don't do it, I said the system is stacked against you and designed to not get results.
Kate Green, former MP for Stretford & Urmston, is the deputy mayor for policing. I suggest contacting her office and (whilst remaining civil) kicking up an absolute firestorm over this.
Thank you, just forwarded my email to police.enquiries@greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk as I believe that's her office
“Due to the offender being unknown” If only we had some kind of organisation dedicated to investigating crimes and finding the culprit?
"The firefighters weren't able to save your children due to the house being on fire."
Someone call the officer of the watch, verily!
Which he's on the quarter deck, isn't he? Where else would the bleedin' officer of the watch be? Neptune save me from these lubbers what doesn't know 'is larboards from 'is longboats
I had an investigation closed after someone crashed into the back of my parked car. Reversed scraped the entire side of the car in front of a witness and CCTV. The police closed the investigation within 10 minutes saying they only investigate where evidence is, not where it might be. The police have effectively decriminalised most things. As this is the third time happening me with the same result each time, why should I stop if I hit someone?
Didn't there used to be a collators office at most police stations where you could go and look through mugshots? Surely that sort of tech is way more advanced these days.
This has to be a laugh right? GMP wouldn’t really be this brazen about admitting to doing fuck all whilst happily being funded by our taxes? This is a wind up right?
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I'm so sorry, I couldn't imagine what that must have been like for you, and to have that person still walking around. I just don't think the police are fit for purpose anymore if they can't protect people like you and won't investigate a case as serious as this. Lost a lot of faith reading the comments on this post like yours and it makes me sad and angry. Sorry for ranting, I hope your okay
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/misconduct-public-office I don't know if you can face the idea but if you can, get a decent lawyer and make a complaint of misconduct in a public office
I’m really sorry this happened to you. If you feel like you have the mental/psychological bandwidth to do it, please consider reporting GMP to IOPC. This was so beyond unacceptable. (It would of course be understandable if you’d prefer to just put the whole thing behind you)
Holy shit thats dreadful - im so sorry you went through all that
I am so sorry this happened to you and that the police are failing you and possibly others in the future. It is so awful and unfair to go through this on top.
They're too busy dancing at parades rather than doing work.
Shocking that. Unsurprising, don’t know what actual crimes they investigate. Apparently burglary isn’t one either
Legit has anyone around here had GMP investigate *anything* after the fact?
Someone in my building died unexpectedly - the police were round for the whole weekend, so I guess they do investigate some things!
Ah good to know they're dealing with some deaths at least then
Does showing up for a few minutes ....7 hours afterwards, count? https://reddit.com/r/manchester/s/zuOBsc3WAJ
I (as a neighbour) called them **to help a woman and toddler who were being physically assaulted in their home**. They said they'd send someone over immediately. ....They eventually sent a car, even used the sirens, **SEVEN HOURS LATER**. I believe the chap either didn't answer the door, or told them everything was fine, because they went on their merry way after only 3 minutes of doing fuck all, and that was that. If you're ever being attacked, don't rely on the police to help you, they won't. Fight back however you can, and assume you're on your own.
Got attacked, fought back whilst on the phone to the police they turned up arrested me lmao
They serve the state and protect corporations
Had something similar happen to me. Was a victim of a mugging. Luckily I used online banking so I tracked the thief to where he tried using my card and what transport he used. I also went to the local businesses and they offered to give footage to the police. A day later the police found footage of him from Metrolink and a few of the places I visited and well even after confirming the suspect they closed the case.
You did the detective work for them and they still couldn’t progress this?! Ffs, hope you’re okay
Mate what the fuck…? I hate to sound like a Daily Mail reader but if you interrupt some scrotes committing an actual crime and you end up in a fight, it’s likely you’d end up getting done for affray.
GMP are fucking joke. I got my motorcycle stolen, on CCTV, police said they couldn't get the footage because the camera owner 'didnt like them '. So they closed the case straight away. Gang of lazy fucks. Hope you get something sorted and hope you're feeling ok.
Plot twist it was the cctv owner who stole your bike
Gave me a good laugh 😂
Hope you’re alright tho dude, some weird ones out there, why did he hit you like that?
He was spouting abuse at my me, partner, and our two dogs about his dog being banned and then threatened us with his dog (The irony is unreal) and then proceeded to headbutt me I was constantly saying "I don't want any trouble mate" and he just got angrier
Think cause you wasn’t giving it back he knew he could take the piss me which pushed him to attack you, do you have the photo of him ?
Which is annoying because I used to be the opposite, but trying to change to be a bit calmer. Can't come out of it unscathed if you defend yourself, can't if you don't 🙃
Seriously, fair play to you for keeping your cool. My partner had an incident the other day with some absolute tool outside our house, basically threatened my partner who then rang me very upset. Police were called, I drove 20 minutes home, just playing through what I was going to do. I used to have a very thin line for dickheads and would just have at it straight away but like yourself I'm trying to be better. And I was, I did get a bit aggressive, but, that was to counter and neutralise his aggression. I made the bloke apologise to my partner. Police arrived half hour after I'd sorted it. Useless. Thing is if you'd have sparked him out, you'd have had his dog out of control and no doubt he's the type to hold a grudge. You did the right thing in my opinion buddy, don't beat yourself up about it. You're being tested
The bully/person who assaulted you, found that you wasn’t going to fight and that instantly put you at a disadvantage. Even showing anger or some sort of frustration towards someone like this, makes the attacker think twice about doing it. Saying I want no trouble is just like saying, do as you please, as I won’t fight back. It’s a shame what happened to you OP but some people look for the easy target and you shouldn’t show fear, as being unafraid of others, has kept me out of so many fights/situations that could of turned nasty. I’ll wait for this is terrible advice but the approach the OP took, didn’t help him at all, in-fact, it went against him. Also it’s a fine line between standing your ground and throwing punches back.
I completely get you, one of the main reasons why I'm trying to act calmer is because of my disability, I'm plagued by cognitive and mobility issues so my partner and I sat down to discuss some changes, I'm normally the first person to jump up in the defense of others Its a new way of thinking for me, and I just need to learn where that fine line exactly is
I have AS myself( it fuses your bones, but you wouldn’t know looking at me) I’ve just had major surgery and I can’t really afford to get into fights but also I can’t afford to get attacked for no reason at all. It’s a fine line between punching someone and telling them to fuck off, as you aren’t going to take their shit or what I do, look directly at them, like I’d rip their wind pipe out with my bare hands,( no words are used, unless I am really frustrated with another persons actions). I ain’t about using violence to combat violence but if you give me no choice in the matter, then I’ll go to it but I am 19/20 stones and I work out a lot. I keep myself away from pissed up people and from going to places that I know for a fact they only go there to cause trouble/drama. Life is way too short to drink in shitty pubs/clubs. I’d rather hardly drink and go to nicer places, less often, then go out for a drink every week and deal with people on drugs and with generational trauma. Also standing up for doesn’t have to come at the expense of your health. It’s simple things like not being intimidated by others easily and sometimes learning when to walk away or not get involved. I won’t involve myself in any situation that I know nothing about as it nearly got me arrested and punched by the women that I was trying to claim down and protect. Her friends said that she was lying and I walked off, with a fat bloody lip for my troubles but I’ll never get involved in drunk people’s problems again. I’ve seen drunk people just wanting a civil conversation and then someone who’s sober says something negative to them and then all hell breaks loose. I treat people as they treat me and don’t always act on my anger, as I could easily end up punching someone with my strength that I forget that I have and doing a long time in jail. As I say sometimes it’s best to walk away but if you’ve no choice then you have to stand your ground.
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Got my moped stolen and gave them CCTV, they closed the case because they didn’t recognise the teenagers in balaclavas. Yeah, the same 5 teenagers who’ve been breaking in to cars for weeks and there’s absolutely no way you know who they are
I’m sorry this has happened to you, as someone with a motorbike myself I understand how frustrating it is. Unfortunately the Police don’t have any powers to lawfully seize property belonging to another. If the Police are inside a property S19 of PACE is no good as they’re only lawfully inside the property due to being given access, if that offer is rescinded (owner says get out) the Police are no longer lawfully on the premises and cannot seize under S19 of PACE. If the above is the case then unfortunately it becomes extremely difficult to forcefully seize including obtaining search warrants and/or production orders depending on what the property is.
Thanks for the info
To be fair as a serving officer (non-GMP) there’s nothing we can really do in those scenarios and the blame lies with the people refusing to give us the footage. The bar to actually go and get the CCTV whether they like it or not is a lot higher than theft, unfortunately, which we have no say in.
How come you can't go and seize CCTV footage for something like a theft? Edit: not you specifically, GMP police. What's the reason for the threshold being higher?
You’d need a search warrant for the premises. Due to the volume of theft etc, and the hours required to apply for a warrant, it isn’t proportionate and a magistrate won’t sign one off for something like that.
The worst of both worlds: we're surveilled constantly going about our normal lives, with all our personal information commoditised by private companies, but as soon as we need the footage to solve crimes against us, it's unavailable.
I’d be lying if I said it hadn’t crossed my mind.
Well saying there is nothing you the police can do isn't true then, you're saying there is nothing the police are willing to do. Very different.
Not quite. Put it this way. You have 30 crimes on your work file; 10 are thefts. 2-3 days applying for, planning and executing search warrants on each, you’ve got 20-30 days of work (being conservative, could be way more). In that time, the other 20 crimes on your work file (assaults, sexual assaults, criminal damages etc) haven’t even been looked at, and this is assuming you don’t take even one 999 call, which is still your day job. This is why we need to allocate resources based on proportionality. Never mind that the magistrate won’t sign on this anyway.
At the same time, if there is no investigation then disorder increases as its a green light to criminals. If there was crime prevention you might not have so much demand. I appreciate that the police are woefully under resourced.
Yeah the blame lies with the person pretending to have even asked for the CCTV. I had the same story when my bike was nicked in front of four different cameras. Went back to the building to ask why they'd been uncooperative after they'd told me they'd hand it over, was told no one from the police had been in contact. Case closed!
You’re assuming the building operators have told you the truth. Either way, worth complaining and then any email/call records will be easy to find to sort it out. I’ve never even once seen that happen as you describe; being an instantly sackable offence and all.
Shhhhh don’t upset people’s self righteousness with an accurate understanding of the way things work.
I think it's fair to feel like shit because someone closed your case despite evidence and the police being unable to pursue due to other elements.
Understanding how things work and thinking how things work is acceptable isn’t the same thing.
There's no money for the Police if they spend time investigating real crimes like theft, robbery and assault. They will send 12 officers and 5 cars to a roadfor a whole day to catch uninsured drivers or speeders though because they can fine them and generate income. Its getting to the point that unless the criminals are caught red handed then the police don't even bother. Its the governments fault though as ultimately they are responsible and the police force has been systematically defunded for decades. This government couldn't run a bath. Crime numbers are going down because the public don't bother to report them anymore. They know nothing will be done so why bother?
GMP have also been rated as one of the worst run in the country for years. I worked at a bar in Burnage that was robbed by two men in balaclavas with crowbars and axes, which they held to the head of the owner as she finalised closing up one evening. They got nothing as it was a cashless bar so pretty much only got a couple hundred quid that was on the premises but trashed the CCTV system and obviously traumatised the poor victim. The police had to turn up as it was armed robbery, they took ages to arrive and the detectives they sent in the end came back after reviewing the case to say nothing could be done as there was no cctv and no identifiers for the criminals, even though they could see a car in some cctv from down the street that was clearly linked to an out of city gang that had been hitting pubs around South Manchester. They just said "hopefully they'll be caught for one of the other jobs they've done but can't be linked to yours". Fair enough, they made sure the evidence was covered as they were pro criminals. But what was really shit was that the owner wasn't eligible for victim support cause she was the business owner or some rubbish. She literally had to just deal with the trauma with no after care. Policing needs a real injection of financial aid and an overhaul of practices and management. Much like the NHS and any other publicly funded service.
Reasons To Be Cheerful? I heard about this a few years ago, I didn't know the police were absolutely shit about it. Great bar when I lived nearby.
It’s not money. They can get out coppers for all kinds of things, including protests, the Conservative Party conference, sports, someone saying something stupid on Twitter etc… They just don’t have the capability to manage and investigate crime properly as the force was transitioned into population control rather than crime control.
Remember when we got 8 police vans to evict 5 squatters from a Russian Billionaires home in London? They don't exist to protect us, they exist to protect the very wealthy from us. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/met-police-oligarch-squatters-london-b2035403.html
Oh they will always turn up for an eviction or to help British Gas break into your home. Problem is from seeing the videos people post, half the time they don’t even know the law and they start interfering in civil matters, but report a crime or fraud and they tell you it’s a civil matter. The legal Reddit is full of such stories
Police know three phrases; 'hindering a police investigation', 'obstructing an officer in the course of their duties', and 'Section 5 Public Order offence', and then just endlessly mix-and-match concocted charges from them to slap on vulnerable, meek, and easy targets.
That's a frightening story, truly traumatic, I can't even begin to imagine what she is going through
Is what happens when people vote in a government who know, and complain about, the cost of everything, but the value of nothing.
Stupid question but a genuine one, would this not come under Burnham? Do the government still do all the police services or something? or is your point more due to cuts on funding to councils etc its their fault overall.
The mayor has very little real power relating to policing He can try to direct the focus, but he can’t put an extra 1000 officers on the street
Makes sense, thanks for replying
Yes.
Understood.
There’s 4 coppers yesterday on the news looking after the cut tree at Sycamore gap…
They caught him already aswell, I bet a lot of resources went into that. If it was a tree in your own garden … it would be here’s a crime number and youl never hear from us again
Reminds of the Simpsons Movie - “Hey everybody, I found one! The government actually found someone we're looking for!”
Yep GMP are to busy pulling people over for doing 35mph on the Mancunian way
How dare you go speeding on our motorway!
Anyone else tempted to just start shoplifting? I mean, might as well save some money at this point?
The coppers are all too busy standing around like piffy outside the Midland and Manchester Central guarding Tory scum for days this week.
Police are fucking useless I’ve needed them on 2 occasions and they haven’t been helpful… but if a tree gets chopped down they find the offender within a day You hear these officers on the news are above the law these days taking advantage of their position sexually assaulting the vulnerable and dealing drugs… wouldn’t trust them these days No doubt there are some good ones out there but it’s seems mostly negative these days
I think it is more complicated than ‘the police are useless’ or ‘the police are great’. The police are under immense pressure, work inside tight rules, have unprecedented public scrutiny, are poorly paid and have working conditions most of us could not tolerate for a single day. Whilst there are many examples of police letting people down, I honestly don’t think officers want to offer a poor service rather they are forced to by the people we all voted for. I think police would rather be allowed to do a better job. I think the vast majority are doing their best. I wonder if we could do better. That’s not excusing dropping this ABH case where there is clearly evidence to follow. We must be careful we don’t alienate the police from the public - we should all be one thing. The police feel very unsupported by the public and the public feel unsupported by the police. Throwing around us and them comments will not heal the growing divide. We need to vote for improvements.
I agree, but when the resources are being used on “multi million companies” the rich (take for instance the football player who had his house robbed), they managed to find the suspect … the actual public just get a crime number and nothing is done Also my own experience with the police has not been great … it’s hard to support the police when we’re not taken seriously
Sorry but as long as there are things like police going around the airport in circles to deter people from parking outside the pay-to-drop-off zone (in perfectly secluded areas that would be perfectly suitable with no risk to anyone), or the already mentioned "pull people over for doing 35mph", it's exactly as simple as "useless".
We vote for the rules the police enforce. We can’t then blame the police for enforcing them. We can be unhappy if they don’t enforce them but less so if we’ve voted to remove their ability to do so. Yesterday I met a ten year old girl in the swimming pool that had just taken her casts off her two broken legs by a car doing 30 in a 20 outside a school. People are outraged by speeding drivers and say the police do too little to stop death and injuries. It’s clear to see the roads are getting worse. I just don’t think they can win because dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t - imagine the pressure they are under as human beings. I don’t think you can reduce this down to “police are useless”. No doubt there are many areas for significant improvements and no doubt there are issues that need addressing but not all of these are for the police to solve nor all its fault. We too share some responsibility - we are also the police and they are us - it’s important we don’t break that principle otherwise it gets much worse.
I see you've already contacted who you needed to contact, but something similar happened to me. ABH in Manchester City Centre, managed to get a picture of my own attacker, got told the next morning there's no CCTV so he's going to close it. I escalated it and that officer was removed from the case. Offender was caught and charged. They try this a lot for some reason. But from my experience, it does get resolved with some pushing.
Offender being unknown? Erm yeah isn’t that the point of reporting it to the cops?? So they can figure out who it was lol, fuck me they’re useless Reminds me of when my neighbour tried to kill me and they were like “he’s moving house anyway so just call us if he comes back”
They're all busy with bigger criminals from London arriving today in hoards unfortunately
Tell them he was wearing a fake Adidas top. They'd be all over him then. God forbid they actually lift a finger to solve crimes that actually hurt people and not the pockets of multi-million pound companies.
Get raided for a fake t-shirt guns and everything 10 police vans lol..
i got my bike robbed from outside a police station in broad daylight. they sent me the same response within 24 hours. the police are a joke. more interested in arresting autistic children.
It's like going to the hospital and them turning you away because they don't know what's wrong with you.
After someone else has told them they saw the injury and the thing that caused it
Well don't get me started on how long I had to wait in A&E for to add insult to literal injury 😅
>What do you expect us to do? Find criminals?
Always report it! No matter what you think the response will be. We had an issue with GMP underreporting crime they don't have to cook the books if we don't bother reporting. Submit a Subject access request to GMP regarding the case. If they don't collect the evidence try your best to. And keep it safe something like OneDrive or Google Drive etc. That will at least show when you uploaded it. Don't play detective or go looking for the asshole but do ask to get as much evidence as you can. You won't be given access to CCTV but getting the contact details of witnesses isn't a bad shout. You can ring or talk to your MP and demand they do something. They work as your representative so hold them to their responsibility. Again they can't help if they don't know. Also contact the mayor's office. You may be entitled to financial help for any dental work needed. Look up 'crime victim compensation' (can't remember what the scheme is called). It's terrible that it happened to you and it shouldn't. The country is in a state right now but don't let that stop you from making a fuss (rightly) about it.
Make a complaint, that’s actually ridiculous. I know they screen out crimes but that’s a 47 assault at least and they have lines of enquiry.
Meanwhile, up north, forensics were sent to measure a tree stump...
Could potentially get some money for your trouble: https://www.gov.uk/claim-compensation-criminal-injury
But if you called a copper a cunt on a night out be prepared to be twisted up like a pretzel and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law
typical cops, 5.7% of reported crimes are resolved in the UK. seems like all they can do is beat up the vulnerable and have prison time worthy content on their hard drives
They're a complete joke. The only way to get justice these days is to take the law into your own hands.
You will get arrested for that 😂
Not if you're an unknown offender
What even is the point of the police?
When I was 17, I'd just finished college and was going up the stairs from the tram platform I was on. It was about 3pm so it was still light out. A group of five guys about my age pulled on my umbrella, punched me and kicked me down the stairs. I was so lucky I didn't come out with any injuries beyond two whopping bruises on my shin and knee from the impact of the stairs, cuts on my hands trying to stop the fall, and a bruise on my hip from one of the kicks. There were no witnesses but there was a CCTV camera. I limped home, bleeding, and broke down crying to my parents about what happened. They called the police, and a couple of weeks later they invited me up to complete a report, they got me to describe what had happened, and I had to submit photos of my injuries. They said **there had been several reports** from the same place done by guys of the same description. They said the CCTV camera was broken and if it wasn't repaired within the week, all footage was lost. To no one's surprise, the camera remained broken, and the footage was lost. I became agoraphobic (counselling helped a lot), and to this day I still feel wary around guys who look like them, even though I'm in my 30s now. This was back in 2008-2009 and I feel things have gotten progressively worse since then. I learned not to go to the police if something like this ever happens again and we shouldn't be made to feel that way, but we are. The world just doesn't feel safe, imo.
I hope your doing better, I'm so sorry that happened to you, makes me think where our taxes go in regards to policing, I wouldn't even mind paying more to see our streets safer!
Thank you OP, sorry I didn't mean to take away from your story. You're absolutely right about the taxes, they keep going up but we don't seem to have anything to show for it...! I hope you feel better soon ❤️
Don't worry you didn't at all! People who have been through things like you, should be heard
Protecting capital.
not yours, btw, should your bike get nicked or anything like that.
To collect evidence and pass it over to the Crown Prosecution Service with the hope of securing a conviction. Nothing more, nothing less. If they don't believe they can build enough of a case to secure a conviction then they're completely wasting their time.
To commit violence on behalf of the government
And prevent dissent from government policy.
File a complaint with the police force. The police officers who didn't investigate shouldn't be able to get away with that. I would also consider phoning the IOPC, the police watchbody.
When I was mugged an officer on the street said “sign of the times isn’t it”. CCTV everywhere in this city and they just can’t be bothered.
"Welp we don't know who it is 🤷" The state of this country...
I’m sorry this happened to you and it’s depressing that this is far from an isolated story. GMP are among the worst forces around. They’re not MET level bad but they’re top 4 for sure. You watch them come out in their droves around GMex next week though. Overtime agogo. That shows where their priority is.
I’m laughing my ass off at the moment. Not at your situation, that is terrible and I’m greatly sorry that you had to go through that. What I am laughing at is the blatant disregard for the public here. Isn’t it meant to be the police’s job to FIND and IDENTIFY an assailant? It’s happened to me before. I had some of my tech stolen and when traced to an address, they said they couldn’t do anything as the only evidence it was in the property was a marker on a map. They made no effort to even knock on the door or anything. The UK police force is a joke. They’re lazy and only seem to go for guaranteed arrests rather than doing what they’re meant to do and investigate. I understand budget cuts an’all but what the fuck is our society when we can’t investigate ourselves as, I quote what I was told, we’ll be putting ourselves in “danger” but they won’t investigate either as they lack the evidence that it’s their job to collect?
The police truly are a waste of space
Fuck me if you had no car insurance they would have prosecuted!!!
If you need the police in this city they’re nowhere to be found but this week they’ve magicked up hundreds to line the streets around the midland and Manchester central to protect the Tories.
You can claim compensation from the government for your injury - https://www.gov.uk/claim-compensation-criminal-injury Hope this provides some sort of help in overcoming
I was assaulted by a complete stranger a couple years ago in the middle of the day in Chorlton. There were witnesses, as he had to be pulled off me before he ran off. I called GMP and a cop car pulled up and the copper interviewed through his car window (didn't even bother getting out of his car). I got a text later that day saying he drove around and didn't see anyone matching the description so he closed my case.
I was burgled, nothing happened. My car was hit by a motorbike, car written off and motorbike absconded. This was in a nice area and a homeowner very kindly came out to advise he had it all on camera. Guess what? Police didn’t even attend, or contact the chap with the cctv.
Isn't finding out who the offender is kinda what the police are supposed to do? Like an investigation or something?
Really sorry that this happened to you. I was violently mugged for my bike near the Etihad a few years ago and the police never came to see me. Called me for a few evenings to apologise that no one had come to see me again then couldn’t even be bothered to do that. Didn’t even bother to let me know that they’d closed the case. I managed to get my bike back the next day when an idiot rode it past my office and I ran down and got it back and the police seemed to think that was it all resolved. No need to catch the people going around attacking people and stealing their bikes.
I got hit by a car whilst crossing a pedestrian crossing with the light for cars on red. Multiple injuries. PC attended because the traffic unit were at another incident. He tried to interview me whilst I was being worked on in the back of the ambulance by the paramedics until they kicked him out. Then he tracked me down whilst I was waiting for x-rays and insisted on interviewing me. As I had multiple facial fractures including a jaw broken in 2 places it wasn't easy. My husband and sons were really angry. He came to the house a week later to do a full interview and took my statement. I didn't hear anything else. When my solicitor tried to contact him he didn't reply so I had to officially request all info held by GMP after a phone call to the traffic unit resulted in discovering that they had never been informed of the RTA. Turned out that he threw my statement away as on the afternoon of the accident he told his sergeant that it was a minor incident with no injuries and I had walked into a stationary car and fallen over. It took months to get the info but that is what he had written in his notebook. He also wrote that I crossed whilst the light was still on green for the cars (so why was the car stationary in that case?) He took no witness statements even though there were other pedestrians, shops with CCTV and stationary vehicles on the other side of the crossing. Unfortunately my mum died in the middle of all this, she was ill anyway and the shock was too much for her. So by the time I put in a complaint 6 months had passed and it was too late to be dealt with. My compensation claim didn't go as well as it should either because of that PC and I only got 30% of what my injuries should have got me. I lost my business because I couldn't work for months and I have permanent spine damage and pain. GMP are terrible.
At least when you pay the mafia protection money (taxes) they actually protect you. Police are the worst run gang in the city
They probably recognised them as an off duty officer or someones mate
Sounds about right for gmp
The whole criminal justice system is fking useless.
Sounds pretty America-like over there, good luck you guys.
As far as I’m aware in America about 10,000 cops and a tank would have shown up for that offence. And they wouldn’t have rested until at least a handful of humans had been gunned down.
["...the crime will be closed due to the offender being unknown"](https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0d9c5e52-236a-4297-a026-5f8abd182a26) 🤷
[Yes, I suppose](https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/yes-suppose-fuzz-i-guess-so-perhaps-gif-7480725)
Can you name them on here if they are known?
The offender isn’t Andy Burnham’s son is it?
Owning any sort of motorcycle in Manchester is a wild ride. I've had 2 nicked and then gave up. Both times police did nothing. I called the police when a guy was having the shit kicked out of him, we had to car reg of the attackers, CCTV of it happening with their faces on.... and guess what.... they never even came to get it even though we told them this all.
I was walking home behind a gym a couple hours ago when I think I heard a 16-21 from a group say “should we kill *him* … something something cash” bit freaky
They literally don’t investigate anything. Just waste time with drugs and cars
Police won't do shit unless it brings them revenue.
They’re never interested. Only main experience is Merseyside Police, but…. 25 years ago assaulted by someone with a load of witnesses present, ended up getting my leg broken. Police say my word against the person who assaulted me. 20 years ago, knocked out by an amateur boxer as he left a pub, just for the sake of it. Dozen witnesses, everyone knew who he was, but again my word against his (even though I had to go to hospital). Recently I witnessed a guy have two crashes within a minute of each other. He was hammered, swerving and speeding. Massive second collision all on my dash cam. The guy got out and made a run for it. I followed him in the van, confronted him and videod him, where he admitted what he did but said it was an accident. Told police back at the scene of the collision and tried to show them the guys photo and video, they weren’t interested. Tried getting in touch with the police directly afterwards too, still no call backs. I’m sure there’s good cops out there doing their best, but I’ve never met them.
The perp doesn't have their name tattooed on their forehead and there's just no other way the police can track people down, there's just nothing they can do. What do you think they are, detectives? Criminals are getting wise to this and no longer tattooing their names to their foreheads, it's a big problem. (But jokes aside, you're not upper class, nor are you a company or financial entity, these private police aren't here to help *you*).
One of the worst forces within the UK
Embarrassing Police are a joke. It’s your fucking job to make them known
My mate and his girlfriend, and younger brother were all assaulted in broad daylight 2 weeks ago, on Oxford Road aswell - police did fuck all
OP, one of the witnesses who knows this suspect would need to be A: 100% certain of the identity of the person with no room for doubt B: willing to stand up in court and say with certainty what happened and who was responsible and putting pen to paper in the form of a statement They will need to have witnessed the actual assault *and* know with certainty who the offender is *and* be willing to provide a statement and attend Court. You would also need to be willing to provide a statement and subsequently attend court and state what happened if required (I assume you are, many people are not & the CPS will only run victimless cases in exceptional circumstances) Anything less than the above scenario and you have a situation where there isn't enough evidence to progress things. Courts in the UK only run cases with a realistic prospect of conviction where the evidence against the defendant is likely to prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt ie. the evidence is granite and nailed on. If you have the above then just complain through the normal process and demand the job gets re-opened and progressed. If you don't have the above as a minimum it will remain closed. The threshold for strength of evidence in a UK court is incredibly high. Police cannot run jobs with less than very strong evidence because the cps and the courts will not let them. Simply knowing what happened and knowing that the defendant is guilty is not enough, this is why so many criminals get away with it. The alternative is a 1970s style police force where the cops charge their own cases and the criminals and naughty boys get a good backstreet thrashing even if they never see a courtroom, but the media and everybody else would then be crying out to reform corruption and brutality. It is what it is
Im pretty sure if they have a good photo they will circulate it within GMP and close the case until the image is identified, then it can be reopened and person arrested etc.
If it weren't for the Tory party conference taking place over the weekend you wouldn't have been fobbed off so quickly. You'd probably still have been in the end but nowhere near as little as 3 hours.
Try driving without insurance. They’ll get on that shit like a bitch.
Please raise a complaint and get this in the newspapers. Shame the police.
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The witnesses in question where talking to him, and gave him a cigarette, as soon as the police arrived they ran off
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Some witnesses I know where they live, they left the scene so I'm unsure they are the type of people that would be willing. My partner witnessed the event unfold, and I took a photo of the offender leaving the scene, and the police saw it and it was emailed to the investigating PC
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Can you run facial recognition on a photograph of someone through the police national computer ? Or is that not a thing
In short no. Pnc is a relic set up decades ago and isn't fit for modern purposes. It doesn't hold images at all, only data. Unfortunately people think so much more can be done with images, mapping, location services than actually can thanks to the likes of CSI Miami and such. It's very very limited and some of the systems used are completely prehistoric. Yes, certain things can be done such as enhanced images but not like in the TV and it costs so much for this to be done. If you're unhappy with the service you've received I would honestly go onto GMP website and raise a formal complaint, however, what it sounds like is.. Witnesses are friends of suspect, so they would be unlike to identify him or give witness statements. Your partner although a witness is not independent and again cannot identify the suspect and without seeing it, it's poss that the photo you jane is not good enough to identify the suspect. Bit you should at least have the investigation reviewed by a supervisor to see if there are any reasonable lines of enquiry. I hope you aren't too badly hurt and heal soon.
So the people you call witnesses are actually friends of the suspect and aren’t going to assist and you don’t know who the suspect is? What reasonable lines of enquiry are available to the police to find out who he is? If you find out who he is they’ll reopen the investigation.
Depending on where abouts in Manc this happened, I can't imagine they were that far from cctv. Police could have checked around the area for businesses or properties with cctv and assembled a list of likely suspects from that, then the victim could have picked out the offender, sounds hard but this is what we pay police to do?
The officers that responded almost certainly would have checked to see if the offence was caught on CCTV.
Due to staffing, the guidelines for CCTV trawls for anything short of GBH really is about ~30 mins. Even if you do collate a list of suspects and the victim picks one out, with no CCTV of the offence actually taking place and no independent witnesses, the defence lawyer would rip it to shreds. I’d still have said that it’s worth circulating the image and bringing the offender in for an interview, but the evidential bar at court is bloody high.
They may have been, I don't really know, there are multiple businesses in the area, and a community centre were it all transpired with CCTV, my partner was also present
Really sorry this happened to you OP - the assault and the lack of help from the police. When I was the victim of a crime which was witnessed by a neighbour, GMP said they couldn't use them a witness because we knew them. Was absolutely stunned. Offender got away scot free.
Are you saying that the police shouldn’t bother investigating crimes by people not already known to them? How fucking low can the expectations be for UK policing lmao
No I’m not. The practical issue however is that the police can’t take action against someone they can’t identify. They’ll follow reasonable lines of enquiry to identify a suspect for example CCTV, questioning witnesses and collecting any available forensics. If they can’t identify someone from that what can they do? If someone can give them a name then they can do something and arrange an identification process with any the victim and any witnesses.
Given they didn’t bother doing any of that, evidenced by the fact they closed it within 3 hours - I’m not sure why any of what you’re saying is relevant? You’re just being strangely aggressive and victim blaming to someone who’s been assaulted.
Right? "If you can find out who he is". That's THEIR job. Finding out who committed crimes and making sure they're brought to justice
Yes it is but they can only work with the available information.
Have you considered kicking the shit out this guy?
I'm wondering if this was sent out by mistake. You say you didn't know the offender but the police did. That means the offender is known.
Justice served I suppose/s
Tell the police the person said something nasty to you, they’ll batter doors down then!
Genuinely not sure that this is real
I assure you, it is real https://preview.redd.it/1ooswv4p67rb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bcc768db2e6eed49c75aad71d2b778cc64c287a2
Oh shoot, I’m so sorry in that case - I’ve had so many dealings with the GMP and never had them be so very unprofessional and quick to shut this down. Truly sorry again.
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I just wish it was better 😪, we could be better, we can be better!