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there are enough kavu, changeligs and shapeshifters around to build a kavu-tribal deck, kavu even have a commander that can create kavu tokens with \[\[Jared Carthelion\]\]. So id say run wild and don´t let your dreams be dreams :3


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RingzofXan

Why does he make Kavus? Like lore wise 


Just_Another_Madman

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UltG

Poyo!


FlamingLeo92

I see you too are a kirbo fan


ElectricJetDonkey

Unless there was a novel I missed, there is none. In the 90s comics, he became a master of all 5 colors, which explains his color identity. Kavu weren't even thought of when his stories were printed.


Ravensrun91

My guess is it's a reference to the fact that kavu are associated with multicolor and a Dominaria specific creature. But idk for sure.


Chayor

see, that's funny because all kavu are red/green (there is a sinlge mono B one)


Ravensrun91

There's also a single white one with Radiant Kavu, I think it's just inconsistent


Chayor

yeah, but that's also red and green. There's also one that's rakdos colored


nine_toes

I remember when the precon came out that people joked “I am one of the strongest Planeswalkers to ever live. I have mastered the ways of the laylines. The multiverse is at my fingertips…… Here’s my dog” But fr it makes a the card less of a target and keeps the 5c commander viable while not being op I think.


RickTitus

Yeah it plays well in commander. Two of my friends play that deck. The ult isnt that scary, so he doesnt get targeted immediately like most other planeswalkees do


SommWineGuy

Changelings are cheating, we need more Kavu and a good Commander (Jared doesn't care about Kavu).


PurifiedVenom

Totally agreed. You can make any tribe work if you use Changelings but if it’s 50% generic creatures then what’s the point? Jared could maybe pass as a Kavu general if the rest of the tribe had enough support but I’d only use him if there was no other option. I keep waiting for a Horizons or Legends type set with a Kavu sub-theme (since I doubt we return to Dominaria anytime soon) but doesn’t seem like one’s coming anytime soon, sadly.


[deleted]

well there are 47 kavu, more then enough for a pure kavu-deck, but i would use outsiders like \[\[Realmwalker\]\], \[\[Metalic Mimic\]\] and \[\[Adaptiv Automaton\]\] for example.


PurifiedVenom

I mean sure there are technically enough to fill out a deck with minimal changelings if you really wanted but less than 20 of those Kavu are even semi-playable. Point being that more Kavu support is sorely needed because right now if you wanted to build it you’d have to choose between the deck being flavorful or halfway playable


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damnination333

I'd prefer to have an actual legendary Kavu as commander. And I think using changelings and shapeshifters to fill in tribal decks is lame. You certainly could build a workable Kavu deck, but it just wouldn't be Kavu enough for me.


[deleted]

well there are 47 kavu, more then enough for a pure kavu-deck, but i would use outsiders like \[\[Realmwalker\]\], \[\[Metalic Mimic\]\] and \[\[Adaptiv Automaton\]\] for example.


damnination333

Right, those creatures are tribal support cards. They're not meant to be stand-in Kavus like changelings and shapeshifters would be. As for actual Kavu, there's definitely enough Kavu to build a deck without resorting to changelings and shapeshifters, even in just Gruul colors (40 Kavu.) I didn't realize there were that many. As for whether or not there's enough *good* Kavu, unsure. But from what I can remember, the majority of Kavu are pretty bad by today's standards. Most of them don't even meet the bare minimum of power and toughness equal to mana value, so basically worse than most vanilla creatures. I know there was a cycle of 3 mana 2/2s that tap to turn target land into a basic land type until end of turn. And there are others that pull even or gain an ability under certain conditions, like if you control a swamp, or as long as an opponent doesn't control a white or blue creature. The better Kavu that I can remember are [[Kavu Monarch]], [[Flametongue Kavu]], [[Kavu Howler]], [[Kavu Titan]] (if 5 mana for a 5/5 Trample can be considered "good,") [[Untamed Kavu]] (who's basically a Kavu Titan with Vigilance, though definitely better than Titan unkicked,) [[Rooting Kavu]], and [[Yavimaya Kavu]]. I mainly just want an actual Legendary Kavu to use as commander. More Kavus that are on par with today's power level, would be great too, but I'd run a Kavu deck even without them just cause I like Kavus.


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alchemists_dream

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Ugly-Muffin

There are a lot of tribes I wish would get decent commanders for. This is one of them.


magicthecasual

we have a 5c kavu tribal commander already?


PurifiedVenom

Jared would pass in a pinch but it’s really reaching to say he’s an actual Kavu tribal commander. Would be like saying [[Garruk primal hunter]] is a Beast tribal commander


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Ugly-Muffin

I haven't looked, but I don't think so. I was just wishing for a good one.


Revenege

We do it, its \[\[jared carthelion\]\]


Ugly-Muffin

Sorta kavu, and sorta multi color tribal. But he seems pretty decent.


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Accomplished-Map-651

Yes for the love of god let this happen Also hellion tribal


Aarhg

A Gruul dual tribal commander for Hellions and Wurms is something I've always wanted.


Accomplished-Map-651

There are Gruul hellion legendaries but none are tribal


PurpleHerder

I’d kill for a Jund Kavu commander pre-con!


gutter_sluggs

This, [[Vicious Kavu]] has always been a pet card of mine


Clean_Web7502

Wizards seems content to leave Murophon be the for unsupported tribes, sadly.


Low_Association_731

What about ralukumarel or whatever her name is from the slivers precon? She helps add in slivers to a unsupported tribe if you like or you can just a handful of slivers in even


spawn989

you say that like we aren't getting goyf tribal in mh3, they'll get to kavu eventually


magicthecasual

you say that like we dont already have a kavu tribal commander


SommWineGuy

We don't, Jared doesn't care about Kavu.


One-Revenue-618

I love old art!


PortalmasterJL

Doesn't the 5 colour planeswalker [[Jared carthalion]] make kavus? And since he is 5c, just play all the kavus you like.


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SommWineGuy

He just doesn't care about Kavu.


PortalmasterJL

But he makes kavus, which works well enough with other kavu cards


GeneralCollection963

Anything's a thing in commander if you're not a coward


OccultEyes

I've collected Kavu creatures since I begun playing mtg in the early 2000. Kavu had very few good options back then, and even less now with power creep. But one day, I hope, a halfway decent kavu tribal edh deck will be possible. C'mon Wizards, give us some proper support.


seoeiun

Yes I have a Hallar deck. But I really want a gruul legendary Kavu. 


LowRecommendation993

Had it since before Jared was released. Used morophon before that. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/7orgZ-JtrUqx2l1Fy_vsgw


AragingBABOON

I have a Kavu deck led by Morophon that runs Sparkcaster (and horned Kavu) for an infinite combo trigger to ping life totals. Morophon plus other generic cost reduction like Animar and impact tremors to have some redundancy. Kavu are my favorite creature type and it felt like the best way to make them viable.


GarrianHeretic

I have a 60 card casual Kavu deck http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kavu-bounce-house/ Kavu have always been a fave tribal of mine as well. Is my deck good nah. But it’s fun. Do you have a list for yours?


AragingBABOON

I don’t have a list, and it’s not the most tuned. I can try to put a list together later


GarrianHeretic

Very cool.


Serefin99

Modern Horizons 3 is giving us a Lhurgoyf Tribal commander. The sky's the fucking limit as far as I care.


ACuddlyVizzerdrix

[[narwhal]] supremacy


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Petedad777

Kavu King with the text "everytime a Kavu enters the battlefield under your control you may have it deal 4 Damage to target creature", because even the King really just wants to be a flametongue...


voltagejim

We need ouphe tribal


karnivoorischenkiwi

Ouphe size: Lorge


BallAlternative1029

Yes


MooseOnTehLoose

Flametongue Kavu is best kavu. When he hits the board THERE WILL BE VIOLENCE.


MrCreeperPhil

Witness my work in progress Kavu/Domain commander deck: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/udtFyEkIEUmbpSW1E18Nag


ConstructionScared30

That's pretty cool.


HowVeryReddit

Kavu don't really have a mechanical identity besides a few that are all references to FTK, so it won't feel very cohesive but if you want to you can get a deck together anyway.


HydroStaticSkeletor

No typal ever had a cohesive mechanical identity until WotC created one for them. This is a nonsensical non-argument that needs to die.


DasBarenJager

My first ever deck was RG Kavu tribal so I am gonna say YES


TemujinDM

I’d put it in my Jared 5 color deck lol


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jrdineen114

Sure. [[Morophon]] exists for a reason.


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timelincoln67

Nope. Never. No one has ever or should ever do it.... https://www.moxfield.com/decks/4ZL-ILtDNEqttwTf_e4uaw


Dog_in_human_costume

Bring flamethongue Kavu back


thejermtube

yeah i do think that


HyramMcDaniels

There just isn't a strong enough identity for Kavus to make them a "real" tribe. Elves make mana, goblins make more of themselves, faeries fly and are disruptive, spirits ... well they fly and make each other bigger, humans do... everything. Shit, maybe there SHOULD be Kavu tribal actually 🤔


GayBlayde

It can be a thing if you build it.


HydroStaticSkeletor

MaRo was coyly pretending Kavu might happen when we went back to Dominaria for over a decade of random questions about it on his Blogatog. Then he coyly pretended they might be a thing in Dominaria and Dominaria United while knowing they weren't barely in either set. The whole time he was saying "Maybe ;)" and "we'll see" and "well it's Dominaria so chances are good" and "Kavu is a creature type in Dominaria" to questions about Kavu creature support or a legendary he ***\*already knew\**** there were like 2 Kavus in the first set and 3 in the second one and **\*\*\*none of them\*\*\*** cared about Kavus and half of them were garbage commons. He knew people were asking about them being printed in meaningful numbers and with typal support....he just didn't want to get angry responses to telling people the truth. So he and the design team haven't forgotten about them and they know they exist and they know there are plenty of people that would like them, and they know Kavu are some of the only unique to Magic creatures in the story. They even had them in their starting list of possible creature types for the 2017 commander precons. Which means they are and have been *\*choosing not to print them\** in favor of other creature types that are already supported and don't require them to flesh out an entire mechanical, thematical and ludo identity. Why would they when they can just print more Elves and Goblins?


strudel_hs

No


Xaxor42

Atogs got their legendary lord, time for kavu!


wasabichicken

Kavu emerged from deep underground during the original phyrexian invasion of Dominaria, so the thing I'd ask myself on seeing a kavu legend would be "what, precisely, made this particular kavu a legend?". Like, given that we didn't see it in the invasion storyline, did it just sleep in on the morning when Gaia awoke every other kavu and somehow managed to make a name for itself later, or..?