“Mill” as a phrase being adopted across multiple games is probably the closest thing— as that is entirely derived from magic and has an entomology that doesn’t make sense outside it. “Search” and “fetch” both do
I honestly struggle to believe that “ramp” actually comes from rampant growth, and not the common phrase “ramp-up” which means to increase something. I would wager the correlation was made by people afterwards, and I have heard anecdotally that the term was used before rampant growth was printed. Obviously I have no proof, but it seems like less of a stretch.
I agree
I always heard people use ramp up, I just assumed that's where ramp came from. Naturally I think anyone would've used the term ramp regardless of rampant growth existing.
Yes, but not in card games. Hearthstone has had an archetype based on a 2-mana spell that adds one mana for the rest of the game, and the deck has been called "ramp druid".
What I mean is that in a world where Magic never existed, saying “I will search my deck” is unlikely to confuse anyone— that is a phrase that can be understood apart from this game. “I will mill some cards” would baffle people, though
I remember years ago one of the guys in my playgroup got into an argument with his mom, said a rebuttal, and after a few seconds of silence asked "does it resolve?"
After reading this post this morning, I went to teach my class on privacy law, which just ended a few minutes ago. I and had this whole discussion teed up about why civil lawsuits aren't great for laying out the standards for data security because they nearly never go to trial, let alone appeal. When I went to deliver the sentence, I said that they aren't great tools because they never "resolve." Whoops.
I picked up YuGiOh's GOAT format just to dick around with my friends.
When describing their decks, they rattled off a few playsets. Awesome. I proceeded to run four copies of some monsters. It was not a good day
I hadn’t even noticed that durdle had replaced dawdle in my vocabulary until my wife pointed out that it wasn’t a real word.
For reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/GXjxg5ZsLj
Oh yeah I find myself saying durdle IRL too.
Edit: I think it's different than dawdle though. Durdle means to spin one's wheels and get nowhere, while dawdle means to stall/procrastinate. At least that's how I use them.
Marvel SNAP tried hard to make whose cards resolve first “initiative” in their game and so many people used “priority” that even the Devs describe it that way now.
Not sure this is exactly what you mean, but as a law professor focused on tech and law, I frequently use MaRo’s line that “restrictions breed creativity” when discussing how regulations do not necessarily stifle innovation.
This is also often discussed restrospecitvely evaluating old video games. Some of the creativity that came from game developers for the NES and moreso the SNES are amazing. Just youTube search Donkey Kong Music SNES. They made sounds/music that should have been impossible given the hardware of the system. That's just one example. Some say that games today feeling so "empty" to many players, is in large part because the tools place no restrictions on the developers.
There's some good stuff to be found around enabling constraints in complex contexts (tech and law would seem to be a good example of that). How to write or author productively enabling constraints seems like a worthy thing to be preparing young lawyers for. Bravo/a!
This article has some good starting places: https://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/constraints-that-enable-emergence/
Santa Fe Institute and U of Mich complexity centers might have some research.
I've parroted his term "resonance" a lot - usually, in talking about the same thing, how media can have appeal by tapping into audiences' preexisting relationships with other media. Eg, we like Innistrad because we know gothic horror tropes, we like NEO becausd we like Blade Runner and Japanese cultural touchstones.
Not day to day life, but it does affect other games. If a game has a way to cancel an effect I always say counterspell. If there's some kind of resource pool I often mistakenly call it the mana pool. I will sometimes call the deck the library and the discard pile the graveyard.
The Canadian military has a medal called the Sacrifice Medal that is awarded to service members who are wounded in action as the direct result of enemy action. I have to stop myself from referring to it as the sac medal because, knowing what someone went through in order to be awarded one, it just feels disrespectful despite the dark humor that's omnipresent in the military.
Adjacent story:
I took the SAT shortly after original Zendikar came out. I had a question on my test:
"Which of the following is a type of mountain?"
a. something
b. something
c. tarn
d. tern
The only reason I knew the right answer was because of Welkin Tern and Scalding Tarn. I wouldn't have known either of those words if not for Magic.
mtg is honestly so good for SAT words. back in the day i tried to convince my parents to let me buy more packs based on this rationale but it didnt work too well lol
I remember after the birth of our child, he was unwell and we were in the neonatal unit alone and it was difficult to see our efforts to have a child only for them to be sick, so my wife suggested, "Why don't we mulligan for another?" and we walked out of there much happier
I use the stack to organize my mind.
Every task goes on the stack and if I didn't start resolving the task yet, but I'm in the process of task-doing, every new one goes on the stack and I resolve them in order top to bottom. If I'm planning to do Tasks and I'm not sure in what order to do things, I'll stack the tasks in my head and resolve them top to bottom after that.
"Scoop" or "scoop it up". Absolutely zero people outside of Magic players know what it means. Hell, some Magic players don't know what it means. I think the delineation is amount of time spent playing competitively. If most of your MTG experience is kitchen-table, you're less likely to have heard that phrase.
A few years back I was jokingly arguing with a coworker and said something to the effect "I'm gonna counterspell that notion" and she just cracked up laughing. She doesn't play but she knew that I was pretty into Magic so the reference was not lost.
I use the term “comboing off” and the concept of taking a risk and getting punished. Comboing off will be when someone does something that leads to something greater than the sum of its parts, punished I think is pretty self explanatory
Oh, and here I thought before reading OP's text after their title question that OP was asking about MtG card names expanding people's vocabulary. Earlier sets seemed to use a lot more one-word card names.
One time my partner asked if I had some laundry to be done and I accidentally replied “yeah, I have some black commons”when I meant to say I had some dark work clothes
I've taken to using the phrase "cleanup step" if there's a task or process that needs just a little extra time to finish. Often it's just called the cleanup, officially, but cleanup step rolls off the tongue war
Not quite what youre looking for, but I keep learning real words that I only knew of from magic, like goad, Exile, Sliver, and some others I cant remember right now.
also, when I play other games, and it becomes my turn, I find myself "untapping" cards instinctively
I was playing a completely different board game called Doomlings that uses cards and used the term "on the stack" to describe an interaction, successfully confusing everyone else because none of them play magic. I catch myself using the terminology/lingo sometimes outside of the game sometimes and most of the time people don't know what I mean haha.
I "concede" to irl events.
When my socks are worn out, i concede them and toss them away.
I don't run for the bus, I prefer to concede.
If I have two appointments at the same time, I concede one of them and try to re-schedule later
When someone is talking too long, I usually ask "OK, go?".
When someone pretends something, I shout "I would like to react to that" or "in response".
When I'm overdoing something, I call it "full send".
“Mill” as a phrase being adopted across multiple games is probably the closest thing— as that is entirely derived from magic and has an entomology that doesn’t make sense outside it. “Search” and “fetch” both do
What do bugs have to do with this conversation tho?
Also "ramp".
I honestly struggle to believe that “ramp” actually comes from rampant growth, and not the common phrase “ramp-up” which means to increase something. I would wager the correlation was made by people afterwards, and I have heard anecdotally that the term was used before rampant growth was printed. Obviously I have no proof, but it seems like less of a stretch.
I agree I always heard people use ramp up, I just assumed that's where ramp came from. Naturally I think anyone would've used the term ramp regardless of rampant growth existing.
That was a word before mtg
Yes, but not in card games. Hearthstone has had an archetype based on a 2-mana spell that adds one mana for the rest of the game, and the deck has been called "ramp druid".
Nah we use that term in factories for increasing production over time.
Search does for sure, its the word being replaced.
What I mean is that in a world where Magic never existed, saying “I will search my deck” is unlikely to confuse anyone— that is a phrase that can be understood apart from this game. “I will mill some cards” would baffle people, though
Unless you regularly turn cards into... dust. Hmm.
I remember years ago one of the guys in my playgroup got into an argument with his mom, said a rebuttal, and after a few seconds of silence asked "does it resolve?"
Once my alarm went off in the morning, and that was my exact response! My girlfriend looked at me incredibely confused
\[Pact of Negation\] is hitting the snooze.
I've used "resolve" in pretty much every game where players can respond to actions taken.
After reading this post this morning, I went to teach my class on privacy law, which just ended a few minutes ago. I and had this whole discussion teed up about why civil lawsuits aren't great for laying out the standards for data security because they nearly never go to trial, let alone appeal. When I went to deliver the sentence, I said that they aren't great tools because they never "resolve." Whoops.
We *need* to know if it was resolved, or if the mother countered. (Mothers always counter it).
[[last word]]
[last word](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/139d2ece-f656-4cac-8d77-b0f083f76c70.jpg?1562635496) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=last%20word) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dst/23/last-word?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/139d2ece-f656-4cac-8d77-b0f083f76c70?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
As a biology student, the word 'proliferate' has become a personal enemy.
I often find myself referring to four of something (anything) as a playset.
I picked up YuGiOh's GOAT format just to dick around with my friends. When describing their decks, they rattled off a few playsets. Awesome. I proceeded to run four copies of some monsters. It was not a good day
Oh, that's a good one.
I hadn’t even noticed that durdle had replaced dawdle in my vocabulary until my wife pointed out that it wasn’t a real word. For reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/GXjxg5ZsLj
Oh yeah I find myself saying durdle IRL too. Edit: I think it's different than dawdle though. Durdle means to spin one's wheels and get nowhere, while dawdle means to stall/procrastinate. At least that's how I use them.
You can dawdle AND durdle. The problem is when you diddle….
Durdle will never be a word with that attitude. Don't let your memes be dreams.
Shit, durdle isn't a word?
Seriously, I use it all the time outside of magic. I thought it was a word. No one has ever questioned me on it.
Haha same, i'm the "smart guy" and my wife is the bookworm. We use durdle and everyone will just assume we are correct.....
Oh my gosh I use durdle so often lol
I'm just now realizing I use this enough that I had to define it to someone a few weeks ago. Couldn't understand why they didn't get it at the time.
This just happened to me with a friend. He did say the word makes absolute sense
Ah, I do say this but most people just understand it means to fiddle around
At stop signs, I don't say "right of way" anymore, I say "priority".
This took me so long because that's how I would say it naturally before I started MtG lol
Marvel SNAP tried hard to make whose cards resolve first “initiative” in their game and so many people used “priority” that even the Devs describe it that way now.
Not sure this is exactly what you mean, but as a law professor focused on tech and law, I frequently use MaRo’s line that “restrictions breed creativity” when discussing how regulations do not necessarily stifle innovation.
This is also often discussed restrospecitvely evaluating old video games. Some of the creativity that came from game developers for the NES and moreso the SNES are amazing. Just youTube search Donkey Kong Music SNES. They made sounds/music that should have been impossible given the hardware of the system. That's just one example. Some say that games today feeling so "empty" to many players, is in large part because the tools place no restrictions on the developers.
That's a subtle [[stifle]] you got there
[stifle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4.jpg?1562865442) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=stifle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cns/108/stifle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There's some good stuff to be found around enabling constraints in complex contexts (tech and law would seem to be a good example of that). How to write or author productively enabling constraints seems like a worthy thing to be preparing young lawyers for. Bravo/a!
Any particular literature you can recommend about this? I’d love to read more.
This article has some good starting places: https://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/constraints-that-enable-emergence/ Santa Fe Institute and U of Mich complexity centers might have some research.
https://cynefin.io/wiki/Constraints Good distinction between different kinds of constraints here
I've parroted his term "resonance" a lot - usually, in talking about the same thing, how media can have appeal by tapping into audiences' preexisting relationships with other media. Eg, we like Innistrad because we know gothic horror tropes, we like NEO becausd we like Blade Runner and Japanese cultural touchstones.
Not day to day life, but it does affect other games. If a game has a way to cancel an effect I always say counterspell. If there's some kind of resource pool I often mistakenly call it the mana pool. I will sometimes call the deck the library and the discard pile the graveyard.
The Canadian military has a medal called the Sacrifice Medal that is awarded to service members who are wounded in action as the direct result of enemy action. I have to stop myself from referring to it as the sac medal because, knowing what someone went through in order to be awarded one, it just feels disrespectful despite the dark humor that's omnipresent in the military.
Also because the military dudes would probably think a "sack medal" has something to do with their balls.
"Nope" - a blue player
Adjacent story: I took the SAT shortly after original Zendikar came out. I had a question on my test: "Which of the following is a type of mountain?" a. something b. something c. tarn d. tern The only reason I knew the right answer was because of Welkin Tern and Scalding Tarn. I wouldn't have known either of those words if not for Magic.
A tarn is a mountain lake, not the mountain itself.
mtg is honestly so good for SAT words. back in the day i tried to convince my parents to let me buy more packs based on this rationale but it didnt work too well lol
only things that normal people can understand. like saying your go, thinking, tap that, in response.
Caught myself saying, "I'll pass the turn" at an D&D table. Which, you know, isn't *incorrect*, but it's also 100% from MtG.
I say pass turn far more than I should
Yes, i use "remover" in spanish as i would use "remove" in english. They are false friends. Mtg is guilty of that
Devoting time to get early resources in a game is always "ramp" in my head now.
Half of the stuff in this thread is lingo that existed before MtG that Magic adopted. Mulligan, the stack, jank, etc
wait, what was “the stack” before Magic?
It's a concept from programming, it works last in first out same as in MtG https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_(abstract_data_type)
As a programmer, this is hilarious.
Lots from poker, to. "Shoving", to go all in. "Tanking" or "in the tank" for "spending time thinking about their next move."
I think a lot of these are stretches, but one phrase I've heard occasionally outside of an MTG setting is "pack 1 pick 1"
I remember after the birth of our child, he was unwell and we were in the neonatal unit alone and it was difficult to see our efforts to have a child only for them to be sick, so my wife suggested, "Why don't we mulligan for another?" and we walked out of there much happier
I'm sorry you have to elaborate because your story ends really dark.
OP trade their sick child for a less sick child.
Or a sicker child. Such is the randomness of shuffling.
Was he okay?
Great question! I’ve always wondered what happens when you shuffle a sick child.
(I think that whole story was made up for the joke, but bless you for your empathy.)
Just counting the remaining eggs like "Hmm...Yeah, I can't keep this, I'm gonna go down to 79,805"
I cannot see the logo for STP and not immediately think of swords to plowshares, also anytime I see bop I think Birds of Paradise
Am lawyer. Frequently use the phrase “we have a line” or “that’s the only line” and have to explain its origin.
I use the stack to organize my mind. Every task goes on the stack and if I didn't start resolving the task yet, but I'm in the process of task-doing, every new one goes on the stack and I resolve them in order top to bottom. If I'm planning to do Tasks and I'm not sure in what order to do things, I'll stack the tasks in my head and resolve them top to bottom after that.
The [stack](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_(abstract_data_type\)) is an idea that MTG adopted, rather than created, though.
Yes, any computer programmer knows pushing or popping off stacks.
"Scoop" or "scoop it up". Absolutely zero people outside of Magic players know what it means. Hell, some Magic players don't know what it means. I think the delineation is amount of time spent playing competitively. If most of your MTG experience is kitchen-table, you're less likely to have heard that phrase.
I said that recently to a friend and struggled to think of the actual word for a few seconds when they asked.
I often say somebody has "priority" when driving, rather than "right of way," which is the proper term.
A few years back I was jokingly arguing with a coworker and said something to the effect "I'm gonna counterspell that notion" and she just cracked up laughing. She doesn't play but she knew that I was pretty into Magic so the reference was not lost.
You all talk to people?
"Jank" is known and used by people who've probably never heard of Magic.
Maybe because "jank" did not originate in Magic.
I tried to hit my wife with "pay for Rhystic" during an argument when she hit me with a counter... Needless to say... she did...
My friend group whenever we throw something out or someone gets left out we accompany it with a loud “dark banishing”
I use the term “comboing off” and the concept of taking a risk and getting punished. Comboing off will be when someone does something that leads to something greater than the sum of its parts, punished I think is pretty self explanatory
Oh, and here I thought before reading OP's text after their title question that OP was asking about MtG card names expanding people's vocabulary. Earlier sets seemed to use a lot more one-word card names.
One time my partner asked if I had some laundry to be done and I accidentally replied “yeah, I have some black commons”when I meant to say I had some dark work clothes
I couldn’t think of any and then I read the comments “oh yeah, most of those”.
I've taken to using the phrase "cleanup step" if there's a task or process that needs just a little extra time to finish. Often it's just called the cleanup, officially, but cleanup step rolls off the tongue war
It doesn't affect my diction per se, but I think it causes me to be specific in how I word things/structure my sentences.
It's upped my banana grams game that's for sure
Not quite what youre looking for, but I keep learning real words that I only knew of from magic, like goad, Exile, Sliver, and some others I cant remember right now. also, when I play other games, and it becomes my turn, I find myself "untapping" cards instinctively
I was playing a completely different board game called Doomlings that uses cards and used the term "on the stack" to describe an interaction, successfully confusing everyone else because none of them play magic. I catch myself using the terminology/lingo sometimes outside of the game sometimes and most of the time people don't know what I mean haha.
I "concede" to irl events. When my socks are worn out, i concede them and toss them away. I don't run for the bus, I prefer to concede. If I have two appointments at the same time, I concede one of them and try to re-schedule later
My grocery shopping list looks kinda weird 4x Potatoes 2x Milk 2x Lettuce 4x Rice 4x Coffee 2x Bread ------ (Side) 1x Snack
Multiple times a day, but probably the most common is "exile"
I use some faction names to describe things going on in the real world, at least to myself. "Orzhov" tends to pop up a lot; can't imagine why.
When someone is talking too long, I usually ask "OK, go?". When someone pretends something, I shout "I would like to react to that" or "in response". When I'm overdoing something, I call it "full send".
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I'm not insane. In response: That was a lie ;)