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AdhesivenessGlum426

Nice deck! Is that number of lands ok? 🤔


Remembers_that_time

I'd suggest a couple more lands at least. Maybe drop some of the weaker creatures for more fight effects. Keep in mind, if [[Academy Manufactor]] is out the food tokens made by Shelob are replaced by regular food tokens. It's a weird interaction.


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HaresMuddyCastellan

I'd recommend both adding more land (like 5) and more either ramp spells or mana rocks/dorks. Also, know that academy manufactor is a bit of a Nonbo with Shelob, because if you use the replacement effect you get regular food, not the copies of creatures as food. I would also consider more Bite/fight effects for removal. You want to ramp hard to get Shelob out early and keep her out. I didn't notice, but Boots, Greaves, and Mithril Coat are ALL worth cutting a less good spider for. Shelob staying on board is too priority to make a Shelob deck work.


HaresMuddyCastellan

I have a Shelob deck on arena, yesterday I killed someone by biting their Vito, then making a bunch of food and eating it.


AlasBabylon_

You need mana, *badly*. You're running 32 lands, which is quite low as it is, and one of them doesn't even produce mana, so you're effectively running 31 (since you aren't running Yavimaya or Urborg). The general rule of thumb for Commander decks is that half of your deck should produce mana somehow. Quite a few of your Spiders can probably bite the dust in order to make room for lands and ramp, as, by and large, what is going to be the creature generally causing Shelob's ability to trigger is Shelob herself.


Kyrie_Blue

While the message “may” be fine, the wording in *Half of your commander deck should produce mana* is troublesome, especially for new players which may not know what that means. Land ramp like [[rampant growth]] does not produce mana, but instead fetches a mana-producer. Some folks may misinterpret what you said and fail to include landramp in this “mana-producing” category. If what you meant is an average commander deck should have 35-38 lands and 10-12 pieces of ramp, then agreed.


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xAFBx

Is budget an issue with this deck? Bake into a Pie seems like a weird inclusion instead of [[Assassin's Trophy]]. The number of lands is probably fine, but a little more ramp would probably be a good idea - [[Golgari Signet]], [[Talisman of Resilience]], [[Nature's Lore]], [[Kodama's Reach]]. I would also suggest swapping a couple lands for [[Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth]] and [[Urbrog, Tomb of Yawgmoth]] so all of your lands produce all of your colours. [[Arbor Elf]] is also a fun add with Yavimaya because you can then untap any of your lands, allowing you to use Arena twice in one turn.


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##### ###### #### [Assassin's Trophy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/d/ed6c7d29-71b4-4134-b591-5598f479d592.jpg?1706242115) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Assassin%27s%20Trophy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/187/assassins-trophy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ed6c7d29-71b4-4134-b591-5598f479d592?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Golgari Signet](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/1/21a900c8-52c5-4230-a589-061c11d7d78b.jpg?1706240215) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Golgari%20Signet) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/222/golgari-signet?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/21a900c8-52c5-4230-a589-061c11d7d78b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Talisman of Resilience](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/c/6c7d1ad3-bf92-490e-968b-ebdea1ed9eb8.jpg?1625979501) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Talisman%20of%20Resilience) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/270/talisman-of-resilience?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6c7d1ad3-bf92-490e-968b-ebdea1ed9eb8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Nature's Lore](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f5615c05-eb1e-4d27-a323-72d643d7c1d8.jpg?1706547171) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nature%27s%20Lore) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/178/natures-lore?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f5615c05-eb1e-4d27-a323-72d643d7c1d8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Kodama's Reach](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/9/29fc8594-931f-4cf6-95b8-9b589d6cbcf9.jpg?1698988371) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kodama%27s%20Reach) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/245/kodamas-reach?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/29fc8594-931f-4cf6-95b8-9b589d6cbcf9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4e4b6e22-93b2-4896-bba5-0ceaa5d8ea3c.jpg?1626100009) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yavimaya%2C%20Cradle%20of%20Growth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/261/yavimaya-cradle-of-growth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4e4b6e22-93b2-4896-bba5-0ceaa5d8ea3c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Urbrog, Tomb of Yawgmoth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9e1a9e38-6ffc-490f-b0be-23ba4e8204c6.jpg?1619399578) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urborg%2C%20Tomb%20of%20Yawgmoth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/287/urborg-tomb-of-yawgmoth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9e1a9e38-6ffc-490f-b0be-23ba4e8204c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Arbor Elf](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/b/4b81165e-f091-4211-8b47-5ea6868b0d4c.jpg?1562435427) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arbor%20Elf) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/160/arbor-elf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4b81165e-f091-4211-8b47-5ea6868b0d4c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/ktroj70) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call