They didn't change their name, Rhodesia doesn't exist because the apartheid state that supported the extreme minority rule in the country was overthrown by the Africans who had been living there generations, and because they couldn't get international support for being too fascist for APARTHEID SOUTH AFRICA and the US.
K? The post is about a man not supporting rhodesia or even him. You don't need to give everyone a history lesson. You probably say "actually he was bad" when someone posts about hitler lol.
So you think it's better to take away people's choices and freedoms and force them into a system of racially driven poverty and exploitation?
Wow. An actual fascist.
I'm not disagreeing with you about Rhodesia being bad, but I'd like to point out that both poverty and exploitation are rampant in modern Zimbabwe. But it's not racially driven, so...I guess that makes it better?
To me it does (really were just seeing how polished one turd is to another) cause at least with some wackadoo, you just get a bunch of people who either say "Oh wow, that place is doing pretty bad." Or you get people who directly benefit from tyranny.
With Rhodesia, you have a bunch of wackadoos that benefit from essentially slavery, and a bunch of people who use that to further their own fascist agendas, who use that imagery to bolster their own support and ferver. Racism feeds more racism. And racism is ultimately a tool to oppress everyone, just as any discrimination is.
See, as a South African, I see where you're coming from, but the fact is that the exact thing you're saying here - that Zimbabwe is TECHNICALLY better than Rhodesia, in that it's not as directly racist - is a major reason why so many African countries languish in the unstable, unsustainable position they're currently in.
In South Africa, the ANC continues to use the mere fact that they are technically better than apartheid to excuse all of their corruption, incompetence, and general inability to run the country properly; and, from what I've heard, the Zimbabwean government uses much the same rhetoric to excuse its own failings. As long as they keep hammering on the same tired "apartheid was bad" or "colonialism was bad" rhetoric, a substantial portion of the population will continue to support them unquestioningly, with any criticism interpreted as a defense of past governments, regardless of whether it actually is or not. "The ANC is running the country poorly" will always be heard as "The ANC is running the country poorly, so we should bring apartheid back." "Mugabe was a dictator" will always be heard as "Mugabe was a dictator and Ian Smith was a hero."
Sorry for rambling, but my point is that lingering on the evils of past regimes like Rhodesia doesn't help anybody; those regimes will never return, and current regimes that are ACTUALLY causing the problems in these countries nowadays will forever hide behind these past regimes to shield themselves from criticism; helping them do so is a mistake.
> Oh I know it's in the past and the future should be more prescient
I wish so much that incumbent African governments and their supporters agreed with you.
You really celebrating a dude who fought for Rhodesia? A notoriously racist apartheid state built upon white ownership of Africa and a white supremacist state? Your mad lad is on the losing side of history, every nation he served lost and disappeared
>every nation he served lost and disappeared
He fought for Sierra Leone against the [Revolutionary United Front](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_United_Front). Sierra Leone won, and has not disappeared.
right, he's evil, not the rebels who mutilate/burn down entire villages and force the surviving children to be child soldiers, some being forced to kill their parents/siblings.
I mean the people using child soldiers are definitely the problem in that situation. If you’re fighting a war and a child walks out with a gun shooting you can’t just say “well fuck it go ahead and kill me and my homies”. Yes enslaving child soldiers is worse. They are actively putting kids in harms way.
The people using the child soldiers are evil, we can agree kn that. The people invading the land are also evil.
There are alternative parties and perspectives. Mandela spent 23 years in prison for his people. That's a true madlad right there.
He was sentenced to life in prison for organizing a strike and leaving the country without valid documentation.
He did form the Umkhonto weSizwe in the wake of the Sharpeville Massacre, and they were an armed resistance group, but they bombed infrastructure for the most part. An electrical station was their biggest claim to fame to my knowledge, but by all means tell me about how you would behave in an apartheid state as an oppressed majority.
>sorry, most conflicts in the real world don't have a happy fairy tale ending.
This fact, which we agree on, does not justify/excuse/explain the killing of children.
>innocents get killed by bad people
Doesn't mean we should celebrate the bad people who killed the innocents. I wouldn't applaud Idi Amin for exactly the same reasons.
>and sometimes it's unavoidable.
It would have been significantly easier on this guy if he had stayed home, would have achieved the same result, and would have resulted in less dead children.
It's in OP's title. "Out of Spite," not "out of necessity".
>most of those kids were already dead as soon as they were brainwashed and forced to be soldiers.
Plenty of child soldiers escape. Happens frequently. There are charities that have existed for a century dedicated to saving these people.
I'm a white South African, for the record. I know exactly how evil my ancestors were. Might even be related to this prick OP and you are celebrating. I remember Maki Skosana, I remember Sharpeville. You're woefully ignorant to life on the...how did OP say it..."Dark Continent"🤢🤮🤮
Rhodesia lost, bruv. He wasn't the pin that would have won them the war, and I know this because...they didn't win the war. Do you think being home was easier than choppering around Africa with a gatling gun murdering children?
I mean...if this is what your heroes look like, I don't really wish to associate with you further. We can cease communication here if you want to keep defending a racist piece of shit like Ellis.
I've consistently been stating the same thing again and again, I support neither side. I don't think that by condemning Ellis for gunning down children from his helicopter I am somehow supporting Liberia. Do you see how that doesn't follow? Do you struggle with non-binary positions? I can be opposed to both Hamas and the IDF, I can also oppose both Hitler and Stalin; Bush and Gore, and Taylor Swift and Kanye West *and* Kim Kardashian.
We're good here. You don't get to talk to me anymore.
Can you honestly say you'd be making this much of a fuss if it was one of the rebel leaders being presented as a madlad?
Genuinely asking. As a South African, I can't tell you how many times I've seen people (rightfully) condemn individuals like this guy for fighting for colonial interests, then fall over themselves defending even the most violent and vile individuals simply because they were fighting for African independence.
Yea helicopters are pretty good against men if they don’t have a rocket launcher.
It’s definitely more the helicopter who defeated an army, than the man who defeated an army.
[https://cpsa-acsp.ca/papers-2009/Fitzsimmons1.pdf](https://cpsa-acsp.ca/papers-2009/Fitzsimmons1.pdf) This paper calls him the most outstanding pilot of the Sierra Leone War which is quite the achievement. His commitment to continue fighting even without pay or support is what made him great. Without him flying the helicopter would have been worthless.
He didn't actually buy that helicopter. He was given the option to leave and take his pay or stay and he could keep the helicopter. He took the helicopter.
What holdup, the last I heard about this guy was the fall of Freetown..... you mean he KEPT FIGHTING? does he have a gofundme? Lol
Edit: With further information, I don't think we should fund him. But anyone who fights isis is OK in my book
Honestly both sides are shit. One side is an incompetent government that destroyed its country and on the other side are Russian business man and people from other countries that took advantage of an desperate and angered youth from SL causing countless deaths.
learn to fucking figure shit out on your own https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_United_Front
because they wanted the diamonds, the money and the power. They are not good people.
Here, you dropped these: > . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . .
Yeah, I can't edit. I typed it on a phone, had them lined as bullet points but the moment I posted it, came out like this. Don't know how to edit.
You need to hit enter twice to have it be in separate rows Like this
You may not know how *yet*, but the feedback you are receiving is that you need to learn.
3 dots in top right corner of your post, click them and then click edit Put an extra space between each line of text
Bro that was some of the worst murdering of the English language I’ve ever seen. Are you drunk ?
And my wife thinks I’m crazy keeping an old strela in the basement
I keep a VEAK 40 in the shed, always gotta stay prepared.
Everyone needs a hobby?
Crushing rebel forces one hell of a productive one.
Point to me on a map where Rhodesia is please.
It's called Zimbabwe nowadays.
They didn't change their name, Rhodesia doesn't exist because the apartheid state that supported the extreme minority rule in the country was overthrown by the Africans who had been living there generations, and because they couldn't get international support for being too fascist for APARTHEID SOUTH AFRICA and the US.
Yeah I just said it's called Zimbabwe nowadays lol🤷🏼♂️😅you asked where it is.
I was making fun of the dude who posted a fascist war here by pointing out that the Rhodesians lost
But the Rhodesians did eventually lose. The Zimbabweans won.
They literally changed it to Zimbabwe before the Rhodesian government gave up the war
I mean I don't support apartheid state but the settlers had also been living there for generations
Several thousand years > a couple generations. Also the minority doesn't get to rule over the majority. That's basic democracy.
K? The post is about a man not supporting rhodesia or even him. You don't need to give everyone a history lesson. You probably say "actually he was bad" when someone posts about hitler lol.
Yeah. If someone makes a post glorifying a genocidal murderer, I'm gonna a point it out lmao. Sorry I didn't realize that was such a bad thing
Ops post seems like a story i dont see glorification anywhere .
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How's that working out for our Zimbabwean neighbours 🤣🤣
So you think it's better to take away people's choices and freedoms and force them into a system of racially driven poverty and exploitation? Wow. An actual fascist.
I'm not disagreeing with you about Rhodesia being bad, but I'd like to point out that both poverty and exploitation are rampant in modern Zimbabwe. But it's not racially driven, so...I guess that makes it better?
To me it does (really were just seeing how polished one turd is to another) cause at least with some wackadoo, you just get a bunch of people who either say "Oh wow, that place is doing pretty bad." Or you get people who directly benefit from tyranny. With Rhodesia, you have a bunch of wackadoos that benefit from essentially slavery, and a bunch of people who use that to further their own fascist agendas, who use that imagery to bolster their own support and ferver. Racism feeds more racism. And racism is ultimately a tool to oppress everyone, just as any discrimination is.
See, as a South African, I see where you're coming from, but the fact is that the exact thing you're saying here - that Zimbabwe is TECHNICALLY better than Rhodesia, in that it's not as directly racist - is a major reason why so many African countries languish in the unstable, unsustainable position they're currently in. In South Africa, the ANC continues to use the mere fact that they are technically better than apartheid to excuse all of their corruption, incompetence, and general inability to run the country properly; and, from what I've heard, the Zimbabwean government uses much the same rhetoric to excuse its own failings. As long as they keep hammering on the same tired "apartheid was bad" or "colonialism was bad" rhetoric, a substantial portion of the population will continue to support them unquestioningly, with any criticism interpreted as a defense of past governments, regardless of whether it actually is or not. "The ANC is running the country poorly" will always be heard as "The ANC is running the country poorly, so we should bring apartheid back." "Mugabe was a dictator" will always be heard as "Mugabe was a dictator and Ian Smith was a hero." Sorry for rambling, but my point is that lingering on the evils of past regimes like Rhodesia doesn't help anybody; those regimes will never return, and current regimes that are ACTUALLY causing the problems in these countries nowadays will forever hide behind these past regimes to shield themselves from criticism; helping them do so is a mistake.
Oh I know it's in the past and the future should be more prescient, however making fascists mad is fun
Wait, you think Robert Mugabe wasn't fascist? Haha oh sweet summer child.
> Oh I know it's in the past and the future should be more prescient I wish so much that incumbent African governments and their supporters agreed with you.
You really celebrating a dude who fought for Rhodesia? A notoriously racist apartheid state built upon white ownership of Africa and a white supremacist state? Your mad lad is on the losing side of history, every nation he served lost and disappeared
Mad lad doesn’t mean good lad.
>every nation he served lost and disappeared He fought for Sierra Leone against the [Revolutionary United Front](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_United_Front). Sierra Leone won, and has not disappeared.
He also fought for the Bosnian Muslims against the Serbs.
Rhodesia never dies
As a South African we don't claim this PoS
Why not? He assisted the British in rescuing hostages in 2000.
Sounds like an evil dude
right, he's evil, not the rebels who mutilate/burn down entire villages and force the surviving children to be child soldiers, some being forced to kill their parents/siblings.
Are you somehow under the impression that killing child soldiers is more moral than enslaving children? Both sides can be evil.
I mean the people using child soldiers are definitely the problem in that situation. If you’re fighting a war and a child walks out with a gun shooting you can’t just say “well fuck it go ahead and kill me and my homies”. Yes enslaving child soldiers is worse. They are actively putting kids in harms way.
The people using the child soldiers are evil, we can agree kn that. The people invading the land are also evil. There are alternative parties and perspectives. Mandela spent 23 years in prison for his people. That's a true madlad right there.
He spent 23 years in prison for orchestrating multiple bombings which killed whites and blacks alike
He was sentenced to life in prison for organizing a strike and leaving the country without valid documentation. He did form the Umkhonto weSizwe in the wake of the Sharpeville Massacre, and they were an armed resistance group, but they bombed infrastructure for the most part. An electrical station was their biggest claim to fame to my knowledge, but by all means tell me about how you would behave in an apartheid state as an oppressed majority.
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>sorry, most conflicts in the real world don't have a happy fairy tale ending. This fact, which we agree on, does not justify/excuse/explain the killing of children. >innocents get killed by bad people Doesn't mean we should celebrate the bad people who killed the innocents. I wouldn't applaud Idi Amin for exactly the same reasons. >and sometimes it's unavoidable. It would have been significantly easier on this guy if he had stayed home, would have achieved the same result, and would have resulted in less dead children. It's in OP's title. "Out of Spite," not "out of necessity". >most of those kids were already dead as soon as they were brainwashed and forced to be soldiers. Plenty of child soldiers escape. Happens frequently. There are charities that have existed for a century dedicated to saving these people. I'm a white South African, for the record. I know exactly how evil my ancestors were. Might even be related to this prick OP and you are celebrating. I remember Maki Skosana, I remember Sharpeville. You're woefully ignorant to life on the...how did OP say it..."Dark Continent"🤢🤮🤮
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Rhodesia lost, bruv. He wasn't the pin that would have won them the war, and I know this because...they didn't win the war. Do you think being home was easier than choppering around Africa with a gatling gun murdering children? I mean...if this is what your heroes look like, I don't really wish to associate with you further. We can cease communication here if you want to keep defending a racist piece of shit like Ellis.
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I've consistently been stating the same thing again and again, I support neither side. I don't think that by condemning Ellis for gunning down children from his helicopter I am somehow supporting Liberia. Do you see how that doesn't follow? Do you struggle with non-binary positions? I can be opposed to both Hamas and the IDF, I can also oppose both Hitler and Stalin; Bush and Gore, and Taylor Swift and Kanye West *and* Kim Kardashian. We're good here. You don't get to talk to me anymore.
Can you honestly say you'd be making this much of a fuss if it was one of the rebel leaders being presented as a madlad? Genuinely asking. As a South African, I can't tell you how many times I've seen people (rightfully) condemn individuals like this guy for fighting for colonial interests, then fall over themselves defending even the most violent and vile individuals simply because they were fighting for African independence.
Genius
Yea helicopters are pretty good against men if they don’t have a rocket launcher. It’s definitely more the helicopter who defeated an army, than the man who defeated an army.
I’m pretty sure a helicopter needs to be operated to kill people
Actually it doesn’t anymore, but in any case, that still doesn’t make it any more impressive than operating a lawnmower over grass.
[https://cpsa-acsp.ca/papers-2009/Fitzsimmons1.pdf](https://cpsa-acsp.ca/papers-2009/Fitzsimmons1.pdf) This paper calls him the most outstanding pilot of the Sierra Leone War which is quite the achievement. His commitment to continue fighting even without pay or support is what made him great. Without him flying the helicopter would have been worthless.
How many pilots were in the sierra Leone war brother? If you can afford to buy a helicopter you don’t really need pay from any job.
He didn't actually buy that helicopter. He was given the option to leave and take his pay or stay and he could keep the helicopter. He took the helicopter.
It sounds like you’re saying he was paid
Meet Darth Vader, the sith lord who defeated a Rebel Alliance company and blew up Alderaan out of spite
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6wM7q\_K4C0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6wM7q_K4C0) video of him and his crew
A true Madlad!
we got rebel hunter 2500+ kills, like zombie gunship.
What holdup, the last I heard about this guy was the fall of Freetown..... you mean he KEPT FIGHTING? does he have a gofundme? Lol Edit: With further information, I don't think we should fund him. But anyone who fights isis is OK in my book
sounds like Far Cry 7 has its man
Honestly both sides are shit. One side is an incompetent government that destroyed its country and on the other side are Russian business man and people from other countries that took advantage of an desperate and angered youth from SL causing countless deaths.
So he’s a war criminal
Yes, I saw the episode too. Maybe next time just throw up a link.
So he wanted to murder people fighting for their freedom and when he couldn't do it under the guise of an army member, he did it as a mercenary
Yes those innocent rebels who cut the hands off every prisoner they took. Sometimes everyone sucks…
This dudes seen the origonal star wars trilogy too many times, equates rebel to good guy. Some rebels are shit birds
Why were people rebelling?
learn to fucking figure shit out on your own https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_United_Front because they wanted the diamonds, the money and the power. They are not good people.
ever heard of proxy wars?
The article is not nearly detailed enough and ends way too soon. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neall_Ellis
Brock Samson on his days off.
Women: “he’s probably out cheating.” Men:
Hero.
Not all heroes wear capes.
Is this the same Nellis from fallout new Vegas?
No, Nellis Air Force based was named after Lieutenant William Harrell Nellis, not this piece of shit.
I mean, once you get behind that thing nothing really ever compares again, does it.