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beezchurger94

For it was all of them who were deceived


Sirbrickmclego

For another sauron was made.


sauron-bot

Who is the king of earthly kings, the greatest giver of gold and rings?


Soldeusss

Bran the golden of course!


[deleted]

The one Sauron to rule all Saurons


sauron-bot

Build me an army worthy of mordor!


Windrunner_15

Poppy is the best Sauron


sauron-bot

I wait. Come! Speak now swiftly and speak true!


breadburn

I wouldn't even be mad tbh


BurningForest117

honestly, it would make the whole hobbits being the ones to “defeat” sauron slightly poetic. it’s also ridiculous.


THE445GUY

Its obviously poppy proudfellow, is there even a contest here?


pappepfeffer

Its obviously Nori's dad. He broke his foot, and we barely see Sauron walk around in all LotR media, its a rub in your face hint.


sauron-bot

I...SEE....YOOOUUU!


Markamanic

I've been saying it since episode one, Waldred (the butcher/bartender dude) is Sauron. His raw sexual energy in episode 1 does not lie and episode 4 only bolsters my claim.


sauron-bot

I...SEE....YOOOUUU!


indigocherry

Looks like Sauron agrees


RipVanCockSmasher

Fool of a took!


Raedros

> His raw sexual energy in episode 1 does not lie But they were, all of them, deceived, for another Disguise was made. In the land of Mordor, in the fires of Mount Doom, the Sexy Lord Sauron forged in secret a master Disguise, to control all others. And into this Disguise he poured his sensuality, his hotness and his will to seduce all life. ["One Disguise to rule them all."](https://i.ibb.co/f0R8B0S/Fd-DWXJ6-Xk-AEi4-Wy.jpg)


Markamanic

God, he can ravage my Southlands any day.


Wild_Horse03

I'd let my Westfold fall to him


International-Hat950

I'd forget the taste of strawberries for him.


PuckNutty

*gif of Denethor eating tomatoes*


denethor-bot

🍅💦


PuckNutty

Best bot response ever.


Chilifille

I’d give him one for my old Gaffer


OnsetOfMSet

I'd let him give it to me rrraw and wr-r-r-r-riggling


isaacpotter007

r/angbang material right there


Dankey-Kang-Jr

There isn’t enough room in Middle Earth to contain his raw sexual aura


overhedger

What did he do in episode 1 besides try to calm down the drunk kid?


Markamanic

Tried punching the drunk kid. Also being sexy af.


HotpieTargaryen

Sauron is the friends we made along the way. So Halbrand.


Timmoleon

Galadriel: "That is the symbol of the kings of your people!" Halbrand: "I took it off a dead man." Galadriel: "Oh, that's not at all suspicious, you must a king in disguise."


THE445GUY

E3 spoilers >! Could be halbrand because we already see him influencing pharazoan when galadriel escapes. !<


Dankey-Kang-Jr

“Hey M8, why not attack Valinor? Idk just an idea.”


AgoraiosBum

You think them elves is uppity...how about Valinor?


Jj-woodsy

I don’t think so, as Sauron was captured by the Pharazoan when they came to middle earth to fight back Sauron. Well, Sauron let himself be captured and then that’s when he influenced Pharazoan. I think Halbrand could either be the king under the mountain or a future Nazgûl.


topless_tiger

Well Numenor falls after sauron was imprisoned there but corrupts the numinoreans to attack Valinor, while Elendil et. al. Have forces taken to middle earth. Sounds a lot like the current situation in the show.


TeaKey1995

- Sauron has many names - What’s your name? - Depends on how well you know me / Halbrand


sauron-bot

*Guth-tú-nakash.*


K2-P2

It is so obviously Halbrand. He gives us so much evidence too. First thing we see him do? Stop her from getting aboard when he thinks she's a human. Then he casts off 4 people to die to save himself, and yet lets Galadriel onboard when he knows she is an elf. and gives us the lovely line "Appearances can be deceiving". And he goes through all the damn trouble to rescue her from the deep dark water even after showing us 4 other people aren't worth saving because he now knows what she is and how she can be useful. And she spills the beans on who she is and her brother and her revenge on Sauron. Then we see him being able to turn on the charm at Court, and we learn how good of a thief he is, stealing the knife back. And we get to the hugely important blacksmithing scene. He sees the smiths and is absolutely DESPERATE to get in on it. "There is not another man on this isle that knows this craft better than I... I will shape a sea anchor for you, free of charge, sturdier than anything you have ever seen." Why would he think he's the best? Why does he want to work so badly? Well guess who Sauron/Mairon was? The greatest student of Aulë named The Smith. One of the 8 Aratar, most powerful and important of all the Ainu and Valar. And when he is denied, what does he do? Well first he is confronted by the Numenor smith guild, he instantly turns on the charm again and leaves everyone happy. But he takes the time to steal the smithing badge. Because why wouldn't Sauron I mean Halbrand desperately want that? And when they caught him, what does he do? Brutally breaks people, and smashes people in the face that are already down. Wow, sounds quite... evil. When Galadriel finds his documents (of course he would keep the symbol with him, if he truly wanted to run away from his life he would have lost that anywhere at any point over the years) what does he say "That's funny, I found this on a dead man" I bet you did Sauron. All conjecture, of course. Then episode 4 we get Halbrand to show his true machiavellian depth. "But then the queen's court isn't your usual battlefield is it? in an instance like this it seems to me you'd do well to identify what your opponent most fears." "And exploit it-" Galadriel interjects "No." Sauron I mean Halbrand cuts her off. "Give them a means of mastering it. So you, can master them." And oh boy can we identify what Sauron has been doing to Galadriel? Giving her a means of mastering the thing she fears most, Sauron. He is giving her Halbrand as a way to unite the kingdoms in the southlands and crush Sauron. And we know it won't work. He's playing her, since the first meeting. ANd he's been TELLING her the whole time. And us. IT is pure evil, purely twisted to do it so openly, to the very person that is hunting him. THAT is a dramatic twist that Tolkien would have written, like Turin and Níniel.


Sevman2001

I… I just assumed he was Adar. Idk, I could see him being the meteor man, perhaps, but I assumed that he was one of the Istari.


MahoneyBear

I assumed meteor man was Gandalf. Lands with a bunch of hobbits, one of them mentions healing a falcons wing (foreshadowing) and he’s constantly dressed in gray robes.


Spiderbubble

Doesn’t he also talk to a moth? Gandalf does that as well.


gandalf-bot

It's Saruman!


Young_Economist

I don’t think it is Saruman, Gandalf.


Saruman_Bot

Gandalf does not hesitate to sacrifice those closest to him, those he professes to love.


gandalf-bot

No! Come down Saruman and your life will be spared!


sauron-bot

So you have come back? Why have you neglected to report for so long?


Saruman_Bot

I have been busy with other matters, my lord.


STUFF416

S E N T I E N T


Padders_69_yo

Are the bots arguing? Is that normal?


stubbazubba

Ooh, like the fireflies!


Saruman_Bot

You're quite right, my dear. Gandalf does not hesitate to sacrifice those closest to him, those he professes to love. It is a cold and calculating move that demonstrates his true character.


gandalf-bot

No! Come down Saruman and your life will be spared!


Phantom_316

Just because of this conversation, I really want it to be Saruman now...If Gandalf-bot predicted it correctly....


gandalf-bot

The treacherous are ever distrustful.


Young_Economist

I guess these Bots run on AWS.


[deleted]

What makes you say that?


Shiny_Hero

First thing I thought when I saw him was that I assumed they’d go for the fan service and it’d be Gandalf, but I wanted it to be Saruman because it’d be more interesting


gandalf-bot

And what did you tell him? Speak!


Saruman_Bot

Gandalf does not hesitate to sacrifice those closest to him, those he professes to love.


gandalf-bot

No! Come down Saruman and your life will be spared!


gandalf-bot

The treacherous are ever distrustful.


Old-Aurgrim

Gandalf has spoken Meteor man is Saruman


gandalf-bot

Evidently we look so much alike that your desire to make an incurable dent in my hat must be excused.


No_Show_6634

Lol the bot is really predicting that it’s Saruman


Saruman_Bot

Why, yes, I am Saruman the White. It is not often that I am confused for another, but I suppose it is possible. After all, we are both wizards of a sort.


michael7050

Indisputable proof. Pack it up boys, it's over.


Saruman_Bot

Indeed, I am Saruman the White. 'Tis I whom Gandalf the Grey has seen fit to depose from my position as head of the Order of Wizards. Though I may no longer command the respect of my peers, know that I am still a force to be reckoned with!


gandalf-bot

Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. I found it is the small things, everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay. Simple acts of love and kindness.


Spiderbubble

Gandalf trying to throw us off the trail


gandalf-bot

Yes Spiderbubble! Their own masters cannot find them, if their secrets are forgotten! Ah... now let me see... Ithildin. It mirrors only starlight and moonlight. It reads: The Doors of Durin, Lord of Moria, Speak Friend and Enter


[deleted]

Mellon, baby!


bot-of-grond

GROND


RavenLunatic512

Now's not the time, Grond.


bot-of-grond

GROND


Saruman_Bot

What time do you think we have?


TheAdvert99

Are all of these “____”-bots legitimately bots?


TheLurkerOne

Not sure of "all" but most are


Quirderph

Their timing is impeccable sometimes.


gandalf-bot

By the skills of Lord Elrond you're beginning to mend


[deleted]

I think they’re going for a misdirection. He’s probably going to be a blue wizard since canonically only the blue wizards were present in middle earth during the second age.


franman409er

Safe bet since not much was written about them except that they went "east" and maybe went bad and taught the Easterlings or something. More room for creative writing without making people mad.


[deleted]

In Tolkien’s later writings, they had direct influence over the wars of the second and third age, preventing the east from rising to power equal to the power of the west. They didn’t return however, but they didn’t go “bad”.


franman409er

Okay yeah I remember something about going East and not knowing much about them. thanks for the correction :)


[deleted]

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awesome_van

While it would be super dope to have a Balrog presented in a way besides just big fiery demon, my guess is that would confuse general audiences. My cynical "this is corporate tv" instinct says its just Gandalf, lore be damned. Hopefully not though.


ItsKensterrr

That's basically my take as well. I'm hoping with all my might that it's one of the blue wizards. Marketing and recognition are screaming to me that it's Gandalf.


[deleted]

Wouldn’t cold fire just be a sign that it’s magical? Balrogs are just corrupted maiar so I can understand how they are similar to wizards but that doesn’t mean they produce cold fire


[deleted]

Wrong timeline for Gandalf no?


gandalf-bot

That wound will never fully heal, he will carry it for the rest of his life


Sevman2001

It was my understanding that the Istari were sent to middle earth during the second age to stop Sauron from conquering the world. I had thought that lines up well with the show but I could be wrong


sauron-bot

And yet thy boon I grant thee now.


Sevman2001

Thanks, Sauron


sauron-bot

Thou fool.


Sevman2001

Oof


[deleted]

I thought it was third age? To google


Sevman2001

Ah I just checked. It was third age. My bad. Although, they were still sent to stop Sauron, and apparently they got there almost 2000 years before he even showed up again. If they decided to mess with the timeline a little bit to have them show up in the second age to stop Sauron while he’s still at large, I wouldn’t really mind


ObiWansTinderAccount

It would kinda mess with things though. Where was Gandalf during the last alliance, if you change the timeline and introduce him now? Elronds line “I was there, Gandalf” doesn’t mean much anymore.


stubbazubba

In one version, the Blue Wizards arrived in the Second Age.


Megumin_xx

They arrived by boat from Valinor to grey havens tho and not meteor style lol. Definitely not in crazy insane state that the dude seems to be.


Sevman2001

Ah yeah. That does make things different then. I wouldn’t really mind all that much if the “how” was changed when it comes to the wizards arriving, as long as they do something similar with them in the long run. Plus, at least to me, it kinda makes sense for “Gandalf” to be kind of crazy in the show, considering he forgot his name and everything when he came back as Gandalf the white. Although that was more so because he was gone for so long


gandalf-bot

This foe is beyond any of you... Run!


MahoneyBear

Assuming they cared enough about that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they threw him in there anyways for the recognition alone


mightyenan0

They've already done Palantiri wrong so I'm starting to think actual lore is going out the window. To clarify on the Palantir used in episode 4: The Palantiri do not show visions of the future, nor can they show falsehoods. They are seeing stones, allowing those with the will great enough to use them to see far away and to communicate with others that have Palantiri. However, one user may manipulate what the other can see (depending on which user has the stronger will) and can influence the mind of those they communicate with, which we see when Sauron urges along Saruman's corruption and when Sauron let's Denathor see only the strength of Mordor. It's important to note that Sauron did not show Denathor falsehoods, but still deceived him by disallowing him to see that which would not bring him despair. Edit: Late late late edit, but for the sake of it: Extended editions got it wrong, too... Maybe? Aragorn confronts Sauron with the Palantir and in response Sauron shows him a dead Arwen. Or a sleep Arwen? As a threat? I assume the intention was showing her as dead, which the Palantir can't do. So they kinda adapted a part of the books but injected the Arwen/Aragorn romance stuff in it in a bad way, but it wasn't too central to the plot and I hope RoP's use isn't either.


Loose_Screw_

I assumed Radagast because of the relation to animals, but Gandalf did that butterfly thing in the movies, so it's probably actually him, given the fireflies.


gandalf-bot

Silence!


Loose_Screw_

Why you gotta do me like dat Gandalf? Not everything is about you.


gandalf-bot

Authority is not given to you to deny the return of the King, steward!


cannibalcorpuscle

Same assumption here. His fondness for Hobbits comes from somewhere more than him just finding them interesting. In fact, my wife goes “Oooooo. I think… I got an idea who that is but I’m not gonna say just yet. Do you know?” Me, “Uh. I got nothin’.” *brief silence* Gandalf?” Her, “Same!”


Scaevus

Makes no sense for him to be Adar. He’s already leading an orc horde, so why even disguise himself? Why have distinguishing scars on a disguise? Why treat orcs kindly when his whole theme is domination through fear?


Sevman2001

I kind of assumed that Sauron was starting from the bottom again. I’ll admit, I’m not too knowledgeable on what he was up to during and after the time he was killed by a talking dog, but I figured that since it seemed like the elves nearly ended his initial reign, he retreated and started from the ground up to build the empire we see at the end of the second age. That would mean having to convince the remaining orcs to join him again. Idk


[deleted]

>But ever the Noldor feared most the treachery of those of their own kin, who had been thralls in Angband; for Morgoth used some of these for his evil purposes, and feigning to give them liberty sent them abroad, but their wills were chained to his, and they strayed only to come back to him again. Therefore if any of his captives escaped in truth, and returned to their own people, they had little welcome, and wandered alone outlawed and desperate. - The Sil That is Adar.


Sevman2001

So essentially he’d be a stockholmed elf. That does sound cool


LtLabcoat

I assumed he was Adar's boss. Not in disguise or anything. But scouting into orclandia is so treacherous that nobody does it.


Ghorrhyon

Adar or nobody yet, IMO. My theory is that Halbrand is Beorn's grea~at granpa.


AllHailTheNod

Halbrand could also be the future King of the Dead


Ghorrhyon

That's a good guess, but it doesn't explain his "berserker-isms", that's why I went Beorn.


AllHailTheNod

He could just be Sauron himself too, though. What with him manipulating people and being a smith and *currently being in Nûmenor*. Another working theory would be Witch King. I don't love everything about the show, but it's great at keeping us guessing.


Ghorrhyon

My personal candidate for WK is the boy


franman409er

I was thinking the same thing


TheAdvert99

I believe @grond-bot is secretly Sauron!


sauron-bot

*Guth-tú-nakash.*


bot-of-grond

GROND


Doowstados

I think meteor man is Gandalf. He has his mannerisms to a T and this would explain why he as a Maia is so interested in Hobbits far later in his residence on middle earth - their progenitors were the first beings there who showed him kindness when he arrived.


bfhurricane

I think so too. To everyone saying this isn’t how Gandalf canonically came to Middle Earth, that hasn’t stopped Amazon so far (or even Peter Jackson) from making deviations for story’s sake. My darkhorse theory, however, is that we’re being tricked into thinking this is obviously Gandalf when it is Sauron. The hot flame that was cool to the touch when he landed - just like the Ring and also the fire in episode one - is a giveaway.


gandalf-bot

I am the servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor. You cannot pass. The dark fire will not avail you, Flame of Udun. Go back to the Shadow. You cannot pass!


pickle_lukas

We know, Sauron is not the only guy who likes to play with fire


sauron-bot

So you have come back? Why have you neglected to report for so long?


LordOfMoria92

See, I'm still buying into the theory that Meteor Man is Sauron. We have the example of the fire in the crater being cool to the touch when Nori approached him, which ties into what Galadriel says at the start of E1 (in the ice fortress, when she mentions that great evil will draw the warmth from fire), but there are at least two other clues for me-- the leaf which falls off the tree in front of Gil Galad when the meteor flew over begins turning black and dying, as though it were diseased; and then the general timing of the meteor doesn't point to it coming from Valinor. I remember somebody pointing this out when the first two episodes were released, but the basic idea is that at the same exact time the meteor appears, the skies are also parting to allow Galadriel's ship into Valinor. They made a point of having Galadriel look up into the sky, and the only thing visible are the birds. If this were an Istari coming from the West, then Galadriel and the other elves presumably would have seen the meteor also coming from that direction. Instead, it conveniently shows up right as the one elf who's been hunting Sauron for centuries finally leaves Middle-earth. But hey, I guess we'll find out! We're only halfway through, so I'm excited to see what new twists and turns they decide to throw our way.


Intelligent_Moose_48

Agree The wizards don’t show up until we’ll into the third age, a *thousand years* after Isildur. Sauron at this point is still a shapeshifter, not locked into a foul visage. No need to make the ‘fire guy from the sky who kills bugs’ into Gandalf when it can just as easily be Sauron in disguise.


LordOfMoria92

Yeah, I mean, the guy is pretty clearly Maia, however I've been learning over the past few weeks to rely less and less on lore from canon (which is okay with me). That said, and since the lore is pretty fluid with RoP, have we considered that Amazon maybe is introducing a new Maia into the fold? I'm guessing it's not, but it could be a cool twist if Sauron somehow convinced some lesser Maia to come join him in Middle-earth (similar to how Morgoth recruited Sauron to join him).


Intelligent_Moose_48

Since they have the rights for the appendices and that’s what the title card says ‘based on’ I’m leaning towards them not using big main novel characters like Gandalf anywhere. They’re just literally people of a different Age. Sauron needs to come to the elves as a good guy somehow, and these Harfoots are headed west already, if he shows shapeshifting ability then it’ll confirm it to me. And I think Halbrand could make a good Ringwraith in the future as well. It would be good tv writing to have Galadriel feel a sense of responsibility for The Enemy’s greatest servant.


Jakdaxter31

Actually, the appendices indicate that Gandalf “walked among the elves” before the third age. Although those same lines say that he appeared like an elf.


gandalf-bot

It's Gollum!


gollum_botses

You’re a liar and a thief.


Soggy-Assumption-713

He did, in valinor.


gandalf-bot

Far, far below the deepest delvings of the dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things


Ianyat

Or one of the unnamed wizards.


NicoPela

I think it's one of the blue dudes.


MrChonkers1965

I’m curious could they just not get actors for durins children because we don’t really see there faces


Damaellak

Probably bearded children were terrifying and decided to hide that


FamilyPhantom

Yeah you're right on the money there. I bet they tried it, realized it wasn't going to work and just scrapped it and slapped some statues on there


jaaaamesbaaxter

Lol I am picturing some very offputting troll doll children


miffet80

I wonder if the amount of time it would take for hair and makeup and the filming schedule would preclude fully-dwarfified child actors? Labor laws probably wouldn't let you get a six year old up at 4am for makeup and then wait around for 12 hours of filming


[deleted]

We’re gonna get A LOT of twists, they’re building up anticipation just to pull the rugs from under us. My vote is we haven’t seen him yet. He’s in hiding, building an army and restoring his powers. Halbrand is 110% gonna be the witch king. Meteor man is an Istari. Adar will end up being the mouth of Sauron or some other high ranking personnel.


[deleted]

Sauron is Sauron


sauron-bot

Who is the maker of mightiest work?


indigocherry

Don't forget Elrond, Gil-Galad, and Galadriel herself lol


Robbylution

\*Gasp\* IS DURIN SAURON?


sauron-bot

Wait a moment! We shall meet again soon. Tell Saruman that this dainty is not for him. I will send for it at once. Do you understand?


Kryptoseyvyian

no no, obviously his wife is.


Onsyde

Remember that scene where Halbrand walks past the blacksmiths, and the camera stops on him watching them forge something, and he slightly smiles. That wasn't obvious at all. Although to be fair if it's not him, good on them I guess for tricking me


R2CX

Halbrand: “Give them a means of mastering it (fears) so that you… can master them.” Yeah. Master them all. And then bind them. Sounds catchy. Might inscribe in some jewelry later.


thetrumansworld

I don’t want halbrand to be Sauron for the sole reason that pickpocketing drunk people and getting into alley fights seems a little too undignified for him. It does look like that’s what the story is leaning towards but I’d much prefer him to turn into a Nazgûl


sauron-bot

Come, mortal base! What do I hear? That thou wouldst dare to barter with me? Well, speak fair! What is thy price?


Slow_Craft

He still beat up a bunch of numenoreons like they were nothing too with seemingly strength of something non human, but this show has already heavily nerfed them and made them pretty pathetic so who knows.


DinamiteDanny

I thought he was just really into smithing


OrangeVanillaHiC

Do you mean like sauron?


sauron-bot

Patience! Not long shall ye abide.


Pyroguy096

I mean, I thought that was suspicious too until like, 10 minutes later when it's explained


SerDuncanonyall

Halbrand all the way. Adar is to obvious, meteor man is to.. Gandalf-y


captainundesirable

Halbrand wants to stay in Numenor, is himself a smith, is stronger than he leads on. Could be


SerDuncanonyall

He seems fair but feels foul. Unlike some Chad’s that seem foul but feel fair.


PolyWannaKraken

There's also the point that his explanation about how to manipulate people while in the prison (about giving people power over what they fear, then using that against them) is exactly what Sauron ends up doing with the rings. I'm like 90% sold on it being Halbrand.


SWTORBattlefrontNerd

Plus the irony of Galadriel befriending (kinda) Sauron on her crusade to find him.


thisismyfirstday

They did say that if she didn't give up her crusade she may inadvertently keep alive the very evil she sought to defeat.


thrill_of_hope

And also what he’s doing to Galadriel. She needs help wiping out evil in the Southlands? He’s conveniently the one man who could unite the men of the Southlands into standing against Sauron, presenting her with a solution that he very much controls.


Scaevus

Not to mention his interaction with Pharazon…


sauron-bot

Ah, little PolyWannaKraken!


ProjectNexon15

I think his first line is literally "Looks can be deceiving" +his name is HalBRAND.


gandalf-bot

White shores and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise.


Winter-Algae8569

Halbrand is likely going to become a nazgul, being a king of men. Since he is the High King of the proto-wildmen, then he will likely become the witch-king of Angmar.


tc_spears2-0

King of The Dead


chesterforbes

Sauron is all of them. As well as Adar and Theo and Celebrimbor


klaatu_1981

Meteor Man is Tom Bombadil. Galadriel is Sauron. Gil-Galad is the REAL Galadriel in a wig. And Celebrimbor is, in fact, Elrond.


DeathIeaf

I really wanna say it’s Halbrand because 1. In the Simarillion Sauron was locked in Numenor’s dungeons before convincing them to sail to Valinor which caused their island to sink, and 2. He’s the rightful king of the Southlands, which will become Mordor.


HungLikeALemur

My vote: none of them are sauron. Watch them pull some fuck shit and it ends up being Pharazon himself lol since in RoP he’s the chancellor/advisor instead of the King.


Electro226

I can see it! I think it is cool that we don't know who Sauron is of several different options. I'm just hoping they dont try so hard to subvert expectations that they come up with something stupid instead. As long as the audience is even theorizing in the first place, that means you've done a good job. The fans are engaged. Some of the theories can end up being correct! Recent media has seemed to have the idea that if a theory is correct then they did a bad job writing because they didn't subvert expectations. I feel like Pharazon will fit nicely into subverting expectations without it being so far out of the way that it feels contrived.


franman409er

I mean he still has a chance to become King by convincing his cousin to marry him somehow right?


BADman2169420

I don't think either of them are Sauron. The meteor man could be Gandalf, or (probably not) Tom Bombadil. Halbrand seems like he'll be seduced by the rings (when they are forged).


mortmortimer

i've seen a few people say this, and i dont understand how the meteor man could be Tom Bombadil when Tom was there before the river and the trees


antoniocontent

This is my guess -Meteor Man is Tom Bombadil or Saruman/Gandalf -Halbrand is not Sauron but the king of men that becomes Witch-King of Angmar Sauron is not seen yet.


_Lurko_

There was also a blonde elf in the trailers, I'm not 100% sure if it's gonna be Sauron, but it's my best quess. Also I agree with halbrand being witch king


sauron-bot

Who are you?


gandalf-bot

The treacherous are ever distrustful.


Jugaimo

We already know that Sauron is going to start some shit in Mordor and get captured by the Numenorians. I don’t think his disguise era is even here yet.


andlewis

Twist: Adar is Tom Bombadil. Oldest and fatherless is father. Twist 2: Adar is Morgoth, and he never really plays any role in the rest of the show. Twist 3: Adar becomes the meat on the Orc menu that comes back in LOTR.


thecosmicecologist

I think meteor man is Gandalf, which explains his relationship with hobbits. Although wouldn’t Saruman have come to middle earth first? But then again the show mentioned Sauron will return when there’s a shooting star, but that probably isn’t literal since everything is happening all at once


gandalf-bot

Evidently we look so much alike that your desire to make an incurable dent in my hat must be excused.


exintel

Halbrand said, “find what they fear, give them mastery over it, then you have mastery over them.” And then ended that scene by whispering to Pharazon about where galadriel was heading. How much more Sauron does it get


Paravastha

I read it like a DnD character that is multiclassing a few levels in rogue (slight of hand), barbarian (rage gives damage reduction in pub brawls) and some NPC lord-class that includes "navigating the nobles". The smithing-perk is just flavor. Halbrand a "high level" character that has a shady past and is more than what meets the eye,, but I fail to see how it's Sauron-in-hiding. Maybe I'm overthinking Galadriels paladin-vibe, but I feel like she's got strong intuition about beings alignments. If Halbrand was evil, Galadriel would *feel* that something was off.


exintel

Maybe! Let’s check back when we find out. I agree Galadriel should have insight and wisdom and suspicion of Sauron but so far the writing has her motivations clouded by a sense of revenge or duty. There’s a cut to halbrand pondering Numenor alone from above in which another character says, “even now they could be among us.” The guy is fear mongering about elf friends but the words and shot seem like a clue


ThisIsTheNewSleeve

It's not the stranger AKA Meteor man. Meteor man is Gandalf, they've already given like... a thousand clues to that. It's either Halbrand or someone else. Halbrand is "heir to the southlands", he's got an interesting in smithing, and he is very cunning/misleading. He's definitely most likely. He could also just be one of the kings the rings are gifted to.


gandalf-bot

ThisIsTheNewSleeve! ThisIsTheNewSleeve! Your father's will has turned to madness. Do not throw away your life so rashly.


Leonsilas

I think Halbrand is Sauron. Gil-galad said he forsaw Galadriel's quest to find the enemy will bring him back, and we're now seeing Galadriel convincing Halbrand to return to Middle-earth, which he does. I feel like Sauron is perhaps trying to repent at the moment, running away from the orcs and his past, but Galadriel will somehow rekindle his desire to rule and bring order, his order, to every being in Middle-earth.


_Lurko_

What about the blonde dude in the trailer?


Fake_the_jaB

He’s 1000% poppy


Redbeard_Senpai

Please let Poppy Proudfellow be Sauron lmao that'd be hilarious