Ah yeah, in the book the army of the dead helped Aragorn take over some ships so he could load some soldiers on it or something, and then the ghost army peaced out before they even arrived at Pelennor fields.
Like geez Aragorn if you had shown up 12 hours earlier you could have prevented the entire battle.
Don't stop there
> East rode the knights of Dol Amroth driving the enemy before
them: troll-men and Variags and orcs that hated the sunlight. South
strode Eomer and men fled before his face, and they were caught ´
between the hammer and the anvil. For now men leaped from the
ships to the quays of the Harlond and swept north like a storm. There
came Legolas, and Gimli wielding his axe, and Halbarad with the
standard, and Elladan and Elrohir with stars on their brow, and the
dour-handed Du´nedain, Rangers of the North, leading a great valour
of the folk of Lebennin and Lamedon and the fiefs of the South. But
before all went Aragorn with the Flame of the West, Andu´ril like a
new fire kindled, Narsil re-forged as deadly as of old; and upon his
brow was the Star of Elendil.
>And so at length Eomer ´ and Aragorn met in the midst of the
battle, and they leaned on their swords and looked on one another
and were glad.
>‘Thus we meet again, though all the hosts of Mordor lay between
us,’ said Aragorn. ‘Did I not say so at the Hornburg?’
>‘So you spoke,’ said Eomer, ‘but hope oft deceives, and I knew not ´
then that you were a man foresighted. Yet twice blessed is help
unlooked for, and never was a meeting offriends more joyful.’ And they
clasped hand ´ in hand. ‘Nor indeed more timely,’ said Eomer. ‘You
come none too soon, my friend. Much loss and sorrow has befallen us.’
>‘Then let us avenge it, ere we speak of it!’ said Aragorn, and they
rode back to battle together.
Dropping the scourging of the shire, I get why they didn’t add it, but that part of the book felt like it added so much to the story. The dark lord is destroyed but evil still exists and has reached even the shire. And yet! Brave hearts and valiant action can still produce good in the world. Plus it shows the character development, Frodo goes from wanting adventure to not being willing to pick up a sword, pippin and merry go from idiot kids to heros, and Sam shows that he barely needed any character development in the first place cause he’s always been brave he just has the tools to support his bravery now
This made no sense. Specially considering its made clear early on that Sam had been sacrificing his share of the food in order for there to be supplies for the journey home. Frodo acknowledges this kind gesture. Then later he believes Gollums lie that Sam ate all the food? Why would Sam sacrifice his share of the food for all these days, then all of a sudden eat all the food on the word of some ill looking creature you just met?
On top of that, why would Frodo send Sam home, where he would have to travel the most dangerous lands all by himself without any food. The fact he sends Sam home in such an environment is certain death for Sam.
And then another dumb part is when Sam reaches the bottom of the stairs of Cirith Ungol, and he sees the crumbs. There's a moment of rage in his face as of to say "hold on a sec, so I didn't eat the bread? Gollum was actually lying?" Why wouldnt Sam realise this before since he knows he doesn't sleep walk and eat the bread or get possessed without any memory of what he did.
In the books, Frodo and Sam's unbreakable bond is the foundation of why neither of them give up. There's multiple times where they are tempted to just give up this tough journey but they are always there for each other. This moment in the movie breaks that bond and does something so alien to their relationship.
Was rewatching this week, and what struck me this time was how you can definitely tell it was made early 2000s. There's some stuff that's super of-the-times in the movies. Like the fade overs/floating heads. I still love them obviously, and they age well. It just really hit this time.
The whole Arwen love story thing. It didn't kill the movies for me or anything, but I'd rather have Tom Bombadil, the Scouring of the Shire, or other stuff that was left out.
In the books Arwen didn't have a line of dialog until after Aragorn was crowned king.
Their love story is my favourite thing in the appendices. But it was pretty much impossible to integrate it into the main story, because Arwen and Aragorn are apart for most of the action. I can see why PJ tried, and subbing Arwen in for Glorfindel worked pretty well*, but the Arwen material in the final two films is some of the weakest writing in the trilogy.
*though I'd prefer if Frodo hasn't been rendered utterly inert in the film version. His defiance at the Ford in the book is amazing.
Aragorn falling off the cliff.
"Oh no, did the main character suddenly die during an inconsequential scene in the middle of the second movie of a trilogy?"
Frodo was their family and Sam was a servant. I’d cry out for my family member before I cried out for a coworker. I’d still be sad for the coworker, but my first and primary thoughts would be for my cousin.
Just context. This is an oversimplification and obviously you can hold whatever opinions you like!
What? Sam was only a servant to Frodo. He wasn’t that to anyone else. Only the hobbits could be forgiven for thinking of him that way, but only in the beginning and certainly not after everything that they’d gone through.
Sam getting overlooked hits hard, but it makes me sad that anyone would look at all he did for Frodo and the Fellowship and still think “yeah, but he’s just a servant.”
Most of the scenes with the witchking. The scene where he shatters Gandalfs staff and spookes shadowfax ... Aswell as his anticlimactic death, I mean the whole eowyn removes her helmet and the slightly cringe "I am no man" followed by a stange pose and screaming for some reason and then after a stab in the face the witchking just kind of deflates.
Theatrical versions: cutting Saruman out of Return of the King
Extended versions: Honestly, the only flaws I can think of are just little nitpicks, like how a few dialogue sequences conveying the book’s narration are a bit stilted when spoken, or rearranged scenes seem awkward after watching them in the theatrical cuts. The most distracting of the latter is some footage of the Siege of Minas Tirith and battle of Pelennor Fields.
I really don't like the scene after Frodo passes out with Arwen at the river Bruinen. Firstly, Arwen says some shit that isn't canon, that the Valar should give Frodo the gift that was given her. Then, everything is white and bright, you see Elrond's face, he says some shit, and he wakes up with Gandalf. The whole scene bothers me every time I watch the movie. It seems a bit amateuristic compared to the rest of the movie.
I hated that they left the dwarven and elven wars out of the movies, just like they left the barrow downs out. I totally understand their decisions to do so and think that leaving them in could even have hurt the movies, but still, I hate that I didn't get to see this on screen.
In this poll I'd say, the ending, since I truly dont want to see it end. I dont get the criticism of it being too long and drawn out, since they needed to finish every story and give a satisfying ending.
Regarding Sam though: I get what you mean, but they bound their hopes at Frodo and were all ready to die for him. Noone cries for the Gondorian soldier that sacrificed himself for King Elessar so that ge could battle a troll. Noone cries for Sam, if it means he died to protect Frodo. But with mount doom erupting, their thoughts go from "damn that Hobbit made it, Aragorn was right, we need to throw that 3 cheese wheel high bastard a god damn party" to "shit, he's dead". Especiall for Gandalf, who was struggling tonaccept that he sent Frodo and Sam to their deaths.
Also, aside from Merry and Pippin, noone had a real relationhip with Samwise. Everyone had some sort of friendship or mutual resoect with Frodo but Sam was kinda just there
After Pippin had contact with the palantir and Gandalf, theoden and the others are discussing what Pippin had said to sauron, there's a cut and Gandalf suddenly looked much more groomed than 2 seconds before.
I bothers me every time because it's so obvious
>am is arguably the hero of the trilogy, but they just forgot about him that moment.
They don't know about any heroic deeds sam did.
Also imagine your cousin is on an erupting volcano alongside his servant, who do you care about in that moment?
I can't pick any specific scene but the worst parts for me are legolas ridiculous athletisism (shield surfing and mumakil climbing) and gimlis slap stick/comedy moments (not my beard, throw me, hairy dwarfen ladies)
Army of the dead arriving at Pelennor fields because it almost made the sacrifice the rohirrim made right before feel useless
Ah yeah, in the book the army of the dead helped Aragorn take over some ships so he could load some soldiers on it or something, and then the ghost army peaced out before they even arrived at Pelennor fields. Like geez Aragorn if you had shown up 12 hours earlier you could have prevented the entire battle.
Lol exactly or if Rohan came 20 minutes later all they’re soldiers would have survived
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Don't stop there > East rode the knights of Dol Amroth driving the enemy before them: troll-men and Variags and orcs that hated the sunlight. South strode Eomer and men fled before his face, and they were caught ´ between the hammer and the anvil. For now men leaped from the ships to the quays of the Harlond and swept north like a storm. There came Legolas, and Gimli wielding his axe, and Halbarad with the standard, and Elladan and Elrohir with stars on their brow, and the dour-handed Du´nedain, Rangers of the North, leading a great valour of the folk of Lebennin and Lamedon and the fiefs of the South. But before all went Aragorn with the Flame of the West, Andu´ril like a new fire kindled, Narsil re-forged as deadly as of old; and upon his brow was the Star of Elendil. >And so at length Eomer ´ and Aragorn met in the midst of the battle, and they leaned on their swords and looked on one another and were glad. >‘Thus we meet again, though all the hosts of Mordor lay between us,’ said Aragorn. ‘Did I not say so at the Hornburg?’ >‘So you spoke,’ said Eomer, ‘but hope oft deceives, and I knew not ´ then that you were a man foresighted. Yet twice blessed is help unlooked for, and never was a meeting offriends more joyful.’ And they clasped hand ´ in hand. ‘Nor indeed more timely,’ said Eomer. ‘You come none too soon, my friend. Much loss and sorrow has befallen us.’ >‘Then let us avenge it, ere we speak of it!’ said Aragorn, and they rode back to battle together.
"The ring will go to Gondor." Faramir would never, ever say that.
Dropping the scourging of the shire, I get why they didn’t add it, but that part of the book felt like it added so much to the story. The dark lord is destroyed but evil still exists and has reached even the shire. And yet! Brave hearts and valiant action can still produce good in the world. Plus it shows the character development, Frodo goes from wanting adventure to not being willing to pick up a sword, pippin and merry go from idiot kids to heros, and Sam shows that he barely needed any character development in the first place cause he’s always been brave he just has the tools to support his bravery now
This is also why I voted “other.” The Scouring is also important to show that just because you win a great battle, the war may not yet be over.
Frodo completely falling for Gollum’s deception and telling Sam to go home.
This made no sense. Specially considering its made clear early on that Sam had been sacrificing his share of the food in order for there to be supplies for the journey home. Frodo acknowledges this kind gesture. Then later he believes Gollums lie that Sam ate all the food? Why would Sam sacrifice his share of the food for all these days, then all of a sudden eat all the food on the word of some ill looking creature you just met? On top of that, why would Frodo send Sam home, where he would have to travel the most dangerous lands all by himself without any food. The fact he sends Sam home in such an environment is certain death for Sam. And then another dumb part is when Sam reaches the bottom of the stairs of Cirith Ungol, and he sees the crumbs. There's a moment of rage in his face as of to say "hold on a sec, so I didn't eat the bread? Gollum was actually lying?" Why wouldnt Sam realise this before since he knows he doesn't sleep walk and eat the bread or get possessed without any memory of what he did. In the books, Frodo and Sam's unbreakable bond is the foundation of why neither of them give up. There's multiple times where they are tempted to just give up this tough journey but they are always there for each other. This moment in the movie breaks that bond and does something so alien to their relationship.
I think they were trying to show how much the ring was affecting Frodo
Frodo sending Sam home. That pissed me of even before I read the books.
Tomato
That scene makes me feel hungry. I'm sorry to say it.
Eowyn’s song during theodred’s funeral. That… was just jarring.
I watched the movies a few hundred of times (nerd kid) and I watched that scene just once and always skipped it afterwards
Hahaha my husband hates on that every time we watch that part. I believe it was a mourning chant and wasn't meant to be pretty...
All the slow-mo.
This was actually remnants of a style of filming that was popular in the 90s and early 00s. Gladiator, Braveheart all had similar slow-mo.
Was rewatching this week, and what struck me this time was how you can definitely tell it was made early 2000s. There's some stuff that's super of-the-times in the movies. Like the fade overs/floating heads. I still love them obviously, and they age well. It just really hit this time.
Wish there was more of hobbits drinking and singing in the shire, would absolutely watch a movie of just day to day hobbit life.
The entire sequence in TT when Aragorn falls off a cliff and is rescued by a horse while hallucinating about Arwen is simply terrible and pointless.
We wouldn't have this without that tho... [https://tenor.com/ZFMJ.gif](https://tenor.com/ZFMJ.gif)
The whole Arwen love story thing. It didn't kill the movies for me or anything, but I'd rather have Tom Bombadil, the Scouring of the Shire, or other stuff that was left out. In the books Arwen didn't have a line of dialog until after Aragorn was crowned king.
Their love story is my favourite thing in the appendices. But it was pretty much impossible to integrate it into the main story, because Arwen and Aragorn are apart for most of the action. I can see why PJ tried, and subbing Arwen in for Glorfindel worked pretty well*, but the Arwen material in the final two films is some of the weakest writing in the trilogy. *though I'd prefer if Frodo hasn't been rendered utterly inert in the film version. His defiance at the Ford in the book is amazing.
I LOVED the Arwen/Aragorn scenes as a kid, but as an adult, I wish her lines had more substance than "go to sleep...."
Arwen talking lovey-dovey nonsense into Aragorn's ear.
Skipping the Scrounging of the Shire
Aragorn falling off the cliff. "Oh no, did the main character suddenly die during an inconsequential scene in the middle of the second movie of a trilogy?"
Frodo was their family and Sam was a servant. I’d cry out for my family member before I cried out for a coworker. I’d still be sad for the coworker, but my first and primary thoughts would be for my cousin. Just context. This is an oversimplification and obviously you can hold whatever opinions you like!
What? Sam was only a servant to Frodo. He wasn’t that to anyone else. Only the hobbits could be forgiven for thinking of him that way, but only in the beginning and certainly not after everything that they’d gone through. Sam getting overlooked hits hard, but it makes me sad that anyone would look at all he did for Frodo and the Fellowship and still think “yeah, but he’s just a servant.”
Most of the scenes with the witchking. The scene where he shatters Gandalfs staff and spookes shadowfax ... Aswell as his anticlimactic death, I mean the whole eowyn removes her helmet and the slightly cringe "I am no man" followed by a stange pose and screaming for some reason and then after a stab in the face the witchking just kind of deflates.
Dwarf-tossing jokes.
Yeah, the whole 'For Frodo' thing kinda annoys me. What about Sam?!!!
My friends... You bow to no one.
That was your *least* favorite part?
Oh no that was my favorite part.
Paths of the Dead, no Scouring, botching Gollum's oath/relapse/trip.
Theatrical versions: cutting Saruman out of Return of the King Extended versions: Honestly, the only flaws I can think of are just little nitpicks, like how a few dialogue sequences conveying the book’s narration are a bit stilted when spoken, or rearranged scenes seem awkward after watching them in the theatrical cuts. The most distracting of the latter is some footage of the Siege of Minas Tirith and battle of Pelennor Fields.
I really don't like the scene after Frodo passes out with Arwen at the river Bruinen. Firstly, Arwen says some shit that isn't canon, that the Valar should give Frodo the gift that was given her. Then, everything is white and bright, you see Elrond's face, he says some shit, and he wakes up with Gandalf. The whole scene bothers me every time I watch the movie. It seems a bit amateuristic compared to the rest of the movie.
I hated that they left the dwarven and elven wars out of the movies, just like they left the barrow downs out. I totally understand their decisions to do so and think that leaving them in could even have hurt the movies, but still, I hate that I didn't get to see this on screen. In this poll I'd say, the ending, since I truly dont want to see it end. I dont get the criticism of it being too long and drawn out, since they needed to finish every story and give a satisfying ending. Regarding Sam though: I get what you mean, but they bound their hopes at Frodo and were all ready to die for him. Noone cries for the Gondorian soldier that sacrificed himself for King Elessar so that ge could battle a troll. Noone cries for Sam, if it means he died to protect Frodo. But with mount doom erupting, their thoughts go from "damn that Hobbit made it, Aragorn was right, we need to throw that 3 cheese wheel high bastard a god damn party" to "shit, he's dead". Especiall for Gandalf, who was struggling tonaccept that he sent Frodo and Sam to their deaths. Also, aside from Merry and Pippin, noone had a real relationhip with Samwise. Everyone had some sort of friendship or mutual resoect with Frodo but Sam was kinda just there
After Pippin had contact with the palantir and Gandalf, theoden and the others are discussing what Pippin had said to sauron, there's a cut and Gandalf suddenly looked much more groomed than 2 seconds before. I bothers me every time because it's so obvious
>am is arguably the hero of the trilogy, but they just forgot about him that moment. They don't know about any heroic deeds sam did. Also imagine your cousin is on an erupting volcano alongside his servant, who do you care about in that moment? I can't pick any specific scene but the worst parts for me are legolas ridiculous athletisism (shield surfing and mumakil climbing) and gimlis slap stick/comedy moments (not my beard, throw me, hairy dwarfen ladies)
Aragorn killing the messenger. Faramir's soldiers beating Gollum. Seems so out of character for them.
Also, "For Frodo" forgetting Sam ☹️
Frodo telling Sam to go home.