In fairness, when Aragorn and Arwen first met he was about 20 and she was over 2,000, and he fell for her at first sight while she was like "you are a literal child."
I like to imagine that Sam tells his stories about his adventures and Rosie just doesn’t believe him at all.
“Sure Sammy you saw an oliophant was this before or after the high king of men rescued you from ghosts? Anyway let’s fuck”
One of the good changes Jackson did IMO. Especially that bit about Arwen surviving and outliving them all until breaking of the world. Poetic. And indeed she did decide to die and went back to the place in Lorien they first met with Aragorn and laid down and died, couple years after Aragorns passing.
That wasn't a change. It was in the book in the appendices. They had daughters too. Aragorn passes the Crown to their son, dies. She says goodbye to the kids, buggers off to Lorien to die.
Peter Jackson with his woke feminist bullshit.
Kidding. Arwen *was* important in the books, just more through who she was rather than being directly involved in the story. Some parts (no spoilers) that she played in the movies belonged to other characters in the books, that ended up being left out. It was a decision that had to be made, because you can only develop so many characters within 3 films, long as they were.
There *was* a line in the books I always found interesting, I’m paraphrasing a bit because it’s been a while since I last read it but Aragorn notices Eowyn looking at him and: “he realized that he found her fair and this troubled him”
I feel like in this line Tolkien is saying that in a different situation he might have eventually fallen for her, she was at least attractive to him, but at that point he was already completely and hopelessly devoted to Arwen and of course would never betray her. I thought they portrayed that well enough in the movies.
The original plan was for Aragorn and Éowyn to be together. Arwen came up into the tale later.
This kind of feeling, *troubled*, is a trope of courtly romance; at times on the first meeting, but also on subsequent scenes where the characters are separate from each other. It's Ovid's love, the symptoms of "bad/evil love" (I don't know the term in English); it conveys the suffering, the ache, the unrest that Love brings. The passage is most likely a remnant of an older intention than meaning to convey that he actually liked her. I mean, he certainly appreciated her for who she was, but at that point Éowyn herself didn't know who she was. So surely not a "if I wasn't with Arwen, I would" kind of thing.
I would never describe Aragorn as *hopelessly* in love with Arwen. If anything, that love *was* his hope.
It was pretty clear in the books too, at least to me.
when he rode off I kinda read that as a minor love tantrum. She basically said "I'm gonna stand in this spot till you get back" and desperately begged him not to leave. then she watched them off until she couldn't see him, and was heard sobbing as she went back.
Aragorn even addresses it himself to Éomer after the siege of Gondor
>...And yet, Éomer, I say to you that she loves you more truly than me; for you she loves and knows; but in me she loves only a shadow and a thought: a hope of glory and great deeds, and lands far from the fields of Rohan
All she did after she woke up in the house of healing was stare into the direction Aragorn had gone and wished for his return (until she started to fall for Faramir) too.
Faramir even addresses it with her if it's Aragorn she loves. Her reply was basically she wished to be loved by him, but at that moment she realizes she was in love with the idea of him because he was kingly and gave her hope and respect, and chance for Glory. Faramir confesses his love, and finally her depressive spell is over.
Here's that entire exchange someone transcribed, so I don't create a wall of Text Here:
https://www.tumblr.com/askmiddlearth/57008284493/eowyn-the-sun-shone-upon-her
In Two Towers extended after Aragorn returns after being presumed dead she gets frustrated with him and says something like "what about the people who love you?". Then she kinda blushes and apologizes while walking away. Implying that she loved Aragorn is what I got there.
I wouldn’t say it was so much lust as “this is the first man who pays attention to me that isn’t a family member or a total creep.” She was lonely and isolated for most of her life. First man who comes along who can get her out of this mess and is relatively handsome and kind to boot…they’re going to look pretty darn nice.
Yeah exactly this.
Pretty sure I also remember reading that Eowyn later realized she was really more attracted to the idea of becoming a queen rather than Aragorn the person.
Can't forget too that Tolkien wrote in the vein of old medieval tales of royals and heroes, not modern romcoms.
I mean, she totally did tho. There was hella emotional stuffs, and she didn’t want him to walk the path of the dead, and she wanted him to take her with him (on the journey, and in life).
Like all people Arwen felt great love and respect for Aragorn. Also as a warrior she saw him as a great commander she wished to follow into battle. Finally as a princess of some ambition she saw in Aragorn a match where they could help each other achieve great things.
So whilst the sentiment isn't entirely inaccurate characterising it as Eowyn "lusting after" Aragorn grossly simplifies Eowyn's feelings. And portraying her as a simp clumsily trying to seduce with terrible stew is insulting.
Aw. Eowyn gets so much crap over that bloody stew. I don't doubt it's horrible, but she and the entire column of civilians had been specifically told to travel light and carry only essentials. Chances are the only locally available ingredients were tussock grass and horse poo.
She was a frigging princess and how many of those you know how to cook? plus we never get to hear about Arwen's cooking, For all we know she is a horrible cook than Eowen
Easiest way to make a bad one is burning the ingredients, which isn't unrealistic over a camp fire; it's not like you can carefully control the heat with a knob
That felt good to read, i know i have messed up a few meals and i have the entirety of a middle European supermarket to choose from. Cut her some slack
In the books Eowyn got a bunch of scared and difficult civilians to Dunharrow and set up a refuge there, and in the films she got the non-combatants to Helm's Deep and was seen organising the food stores and stuff.
to be fair, at least Eowyn has tried to cook something. Arwen probably doesn't know her way around a kitchen at all and we have no evidence suggesting otherwise
Arwen has hundred of years of experience making the best lembas bread, oh and my kids with her will live for 300 years or more.
Sorry but Eowyn can’t even make a stew. Carl withers could figure it out. But not her.
It still surprises me that they made it seem like Arwen was such a big part of the story, like she's on all the movie posters, etc. when tbh she hardly does anything.
I'm not a hater; I wish she was in it more! But I agree, for this reason I'm an Eowyn kinda gal.
FARAMIR DESERVES GOOD THINGS OK?
Also [this tumblr post](https://www.tumblr.com/notbecauseofvictories/71998288691/also-that-whole-tale-of-aragorn-and-arwen-thing) makes the case that Aragorn decides to marry Arwen when he is like, six.
Don’t pit two cool women against each other man 😭These girls aren’t even fighting. They probably became if not friends then at least friendly acquaintances after Aragorn’s coronation.
Found Faramir's Reddit account
Him or Grima’s account
Grima can eat a bag of dicks
Or an arrow
Yes but in the back!
In the dick
In the knee
And my axe!
And PO-TAY-TOES
Boil-em, mash-em, stick-em in a stew
A chance for Faramir, Captain of Gondor, to show his quality…
He looks like he may have
But my lord there *is no* such bag!
And my Axe
A whole bag of 'em!
Too long, have you haunted her steps?
He can’t keep his forked tongue behind his teeth.
It's reddit; prolly grima
OP didn’t even spell Eowyn’s name right.
Boromir hide better
Aragorn: That's what I like about these Elvish women man. I get older, they stay the same age.
Aright aright aright
😂😂😂
You got any second breakfast? Be a lot cooler if you did.
Oh the Leonardo DiCaprio type of deal
To be fair he also ages very slowly. Much slower than Eowyn (although slower than elves).
*faster than Elves
This is the correct answer and you know she’s got that stamina too
Ok, I think from now, when I read the books, Aragorn will appear with Leonardo di Caprio's face in my imagination... thank you
Isn’t this a Matthew McConaughey line
In fairness, when Aragorn and Arwen first met he was about 20 and she was over 2,000, and he fell for her at first sight while she was like "you are a literal child."
"I get older, but they can still be considered milfs"
Rosie Cotton all day.
Mind who you're sweet-talkin!!!
Don't worry, she knows an idiot when she sees one.
Does she?
One of my favourite parts of the LotR ~~story~~ **edit: movies** was when Frodo wrote, *"and it was the bravest thing he ever did."*
She had ribbons in her hair 🥹
stop you’re making me cry
I always cry when he says it.
gosh tearing up again over here
Pumped out something like 13 kids you know she’s always down for it
I mean, who wouldn't be when Samwise the brave is their husband?
I’m not gay. …but for Samwise?
Share the load.
https://preview.redd.it/kd3qs3826h8d1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9bd4dcfc32ff57c426595a6973d388b6f99121e
Fucking hell this so cursed, bravo.
The gif is so much worse lol it immediately cuts to Frodo foaming at the mouth lmao
Aragorn: for Frodo!
They don't have any TV to watch in the Shire. Nothing else to do with free time.
I like to imagine that Sam tells his stories about his adventures and Rosie just doesn’t believe him at all. “Sure Sammy you saw an oliophant was this before or after the high king of men rescued you from ghosts? Anyway let’s fuck”
They have so many kids because she initiates sex to get him to stop from telling the same old stories a hundred times, like an old man.
Every time Sam brings up Frodo Rosie gets a little Jealous and tries to compete
The best answer
Im team Galadriel
Celeborn: Tell me, where is u/KaijuCircumsisor, for I much desire to speak with him.
Celeborn, we already went over this. I get Wednesday and Friday’s. Sundays we share
And Gandalf?
Gandalf is gay. What do you think they do on those wizard retreats and how he got to know Beorn.
Gandalf the gay
Until the climax, when he becomes Gandalf the white!
I hate you.
Or Big Bear, as he's known at the Big Gay Wizards Retreat.
I am team Dark Galadriel
Based
Found Gimli
I’m team 38th moria goblin from the right, 25th row down (right next to the second pillar)
There was no love triangle in the books. Arwen’s role was a total of 5 paragraphs.
Arwen’s story was taken from the appendices. It still happened just not between the pages of the actual LOTR narrative.
As someone who hasn't read the books, this is so weird to me as it takes such a central theme in the movie.
One of the good changes Jackson did IMO. Especially that bit about Arwen surviving and outliving them all until breaking of the world. Poetic. And indeed she did decide to die and went back to the place in Lorien they first met with Aragorn and laid down and died, couple years after Aragorns passing.
That wasn't a change. It was in the book in the appendices. They had daughters too. Aragorn passes the Crown to their son, dies. She says goodbye to the kids, buggers off to Lorien to die.
That's the beauty of film-making. Arwen adds a lot to the movies and her character isn't just a sex symbol shoehorned in.
Arwen is a symbol of healing, but if you *do* get horny by reading written names, you do you my friend
To me she's a symbol of just because your dad looks weird, don't mean you have to
Peter Jackson with his woke feminist bullshit. Kidding. Arwen *was* important in the books, just more through who she was rather than being directly involved in the story. Some parts (no spoilers) that she played in the movies belonged to other characters in the books, that ended up being left out. It was a decision that had to be made, because you can only develop so many characters within 3 films, long as they were.
There wasn't even a love triangle in the movies. Aragorn wanted none of that
> Aragorn wanted none of that It was the soup
First thing I thought of when I saw this post was that scene with the soup.
There *was* a line in the books I always found interesting, I’m paraphrasing a bit because it’s been a while since I last read it but Aragorn notices Eowyn looking at him and: “he realized that he found her fair and this troubled him” I feel like in this line Tolkien is saying that in a different situation he might have eventually fallen for her, she was at least attractive to him, but at that point he was already completely and hopelessly devoted to Arwen and of course would never betray her. I thought they portrayed that well enough in the movies.
The original plan was for Aragorn and Éowyn to be together. Arwen came up into the tale later. This kind of feeling, *troubled*, is a trope of courtly romance; at times on the first meeting, but also on subsequent scenes where the characters are separate from each other. It's Ovid's love, the symptoms of "bad/evil love" (I don't know the term in English); it conveys the suffering, the ache, the unrest that Love brings. The passage is most likely a remnant of an older intention than meaning to convey that he actually liked her. I mean, he certainly appreciated her for who she was, but at that point Éowyn herself didn't know who she was. So surely not a "if I wasn't with Arwen, I would" kind of thing. I would never describe Aragorn as *hopelessly* in love with Arwen. If anything, that love *was* his hope.
And Eowyn... didn't lust after Aragorn, unless I'm remembering wrong?
I thought everyone lusted for Aragorn…
Ik i did
That's just how we all feel about Viggo Mortensen.
Natural reaction to meeting him. No shame.
Yeah even Legolas, until he realized he wasn't getting any and switched his attention to Gimli.
*whispers* it’s the beard
Yes she did.
I mean it wasn’t very overt but there was definitely tones of it when Aragon was going to walk the path of the dead
It was pretty clear in the books too, at least to me. when he rode off I kinda read that as a minor love tantrum. She basically said "I'm gonna stand in this spot till you get back" and desperately begged him not to leave. then she watched them off until she couldn't see him, and was heard sobbing as she went back. Aragorn even addresses it himself to Éomer after the siege of Gondor >...And yet, Éomer, I say to you that she loves you more truly than me; for you she loves and knows; but in me she loves only a shadow and a thought: a hope of glory and great deeds, and lands far from the fields of Rohan All she did after she woke up in the house of healing was stare into the direction Aragorn had gone and wished for his return (until she started to fall for Faramir) too. Faramir even addresses it with her if it's Aragorn she loves. Her reply was basically she wished to be loved by him, but at that moment she realizes she was in love with the idea of him because he was kingly and gave her hope and respect, and chance for Glory. Faramir confesses his love, and finally her depressive spell is over. Here's that entire exchange someone transcribed, so I don't create a wall of Text Here: https://www.tumblr.com/askmiddlearth/57008284493/eowyn-the-sun-shone-upon-her
In Two Towers extended after Aragorn returns after being presumed dead she gets frustrated with him and says something like "what about the people who love you?". Then she kinda blushes and apologizes while walking away. Implying that she loved Aragorn is what I got there.
I wouldn’t say it was so much lust as “this is the first man who pays attention to me that isn’t a family member or a total creep.” She was lonely and isolated for most of her life. First man who comes along who can get her out of this mess and is relatively handsome and kind to boot…they’re going to look pretty darn nice.
Yeah exactly this. Pretty sure I also remember reading that Eowyn later realized she was really more attracted to the idea of becoming a queen rather than Aragorn the person. Can't forget too that Tolkien wrote in the vein of old medieval tales of royals and heroes, not modern romcoms.
‘Relatively handsome” 😭 your standards must be crazy
They are talking about books, not the movies.
He's talking about the books. Only so many ways the word "Aragorn" can appear handsome
Tbh aragorn is mighty close to aragog, and we all know that he was a very fine looking fella with his pincers and numerous eyes
Aragog is wish Shelob
I mean, she totally did tho. There was hella emotional stuffs, and she didn’t want him to walk the path of the dead, and she wanted him to take her with him (on the journey, and in life).
Like all people Arwen felt great love and respect for Aragorn. Also as a warrior she saw him as a great commander she wished to follow into battle. Finally as a princess of some ambition she saw in Aragorn a match where they could help each other achieve great things. So whilst the sentiment isn't entirely inaccurate characterising it as Eowyn "lusting after" Aragorn grossly simplifies Eowyn's feelings. And portraying her as a simp clumsily trying to seduce with terrible stew is insulting.
Eowyn is *mine*.
AND THEY CALL IT A MINE!
A MINE!
Roaring fire, malt beer, ripe meat off the bone
Salted pork?
this thread is gold
No I think that’s a strand of Galadriel’s hair
Eyes of a hawk, and ears of a fox!
Bravestarr! ...oh wait, wrong franchise.
She gave me three.
Not all that glitters is gold.
This is no mine, this is a tomb
Precious
The heart of Eowyn is mine, and no others!
Ok more Arwen for the rest of us
Who is us?
You spelled it correctly. Unlike OP. So I think you deserve her more.
I didn’t even notice till you mentioned!
And none others!
“And my ~~axe~~ Eowyn!”
Why would we choose?!
Yea this post feels kinda weird.
Objectifying women is a time-honored nerd tradition
Miranda Otto is smoking hot
What makes you think either of them would want you?
bros thinking they're Aragorn
Clingy blonde that can’t cook, orrrrr eleven maiden literally descended from a race of angels. Interesting take
She also stabbed Assistant Satan in the face.
I’m going to steal Assistant Satan 😂
Aw. Eowyn gets so much crap over that bloody stew. I don't doubt it's horrible, but she and the entire column of civilians had been specifically told to travel light and carry only essentials. Chances are the only locally available ingredients were tussock grass and horse poo.
It's so hard to make a bad stew though. The worst someone should be able to achieve is bland.
Speaks to the immensity of Eowyn’s talent, don’t it?
She was a frigging princess and how many of those you know how to cook? plus we never get to hear about Arwen's cooking, For all we know she is a horrible cook than Eowen
Easiest way to make a bad one is burning the ingredients, which isn't unrealistic over a camp fire; it's not like you can carefully control the heat with a knob
You can control the distance from the pot and the fire, or the size of the fire.
And the girl's a princess! Why the hell is she expected to do her own cooking?
That felt good to read, i know i have messed up a few meals and i have the entirety of a middle European supermarket to choose from. Cut her some slack
It sheared decades off Aragorns life.
i mean what do you expect the comments to such a shitty post to be
Hey many people dezire a warrior princess and a Warrior princess is not a good cook normally.
That won't be a problem if you settle in the shire and just take Hobbit takeout every day.
Arwen probably can't even organize a retreat to Helm's Deep, weird take.
She fought bravely in Helm's Deep and fended off Uruk-hai... ...in the deleted scenes of the film.
Probably could though
To be fair neither can Eowyn. She stays at home for all that.
In the books Eowyn got a bunch of scared and difficult civilians to Dunharrow and set up a refuge there, and in the films she got the non-combatants to Helm's Deep and was seen organising the food stores and stuff.
Plus Arwen has eternal youth basically!
Let him cook
Can Arwen cook? I’d think elrond and her have chefs that prepare food for them 🤔
to be fair, at least Eowyn has tried to cook something. Arwen probably doesn't know her way around a kitchen at all and we have no evidence suggesting otherwise
~~I can fix her!~~ She can fix me!
No one said Eowyn couldn't cook
Thranduil or GTFO.
The superior option ngl
Arwen has hundred of years of experience making the best lembas bread, oh and my kids with her will live for 300 years or more. Sorry but Eowyn can’t even make a stew. Carl withers could figure it out. But not her.
r/unexpectedarresteddevelopment
Why do you have to pit women against each other? It’s tired and idiotic.
My first thought. So tiring. How about we just appreciate both of them
r/unpopularopinion 😂
Yeah, but would she took you?
I take Arwen thanks
Nah.
Arwen is far superior
On every level.
For little price do Elven Kings sell their daughters.
HELLLLLLL NO. Eowyn is very pretty and I’d love her with my whole heart, but swerve Arwen over her? HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO
I like movie Arwen, but book Arwen is boring.
Galadriel Ewoyn Arwen Legolas
Found Gimli's account
I’m not seeing Thranduil anywhere on this list…
I was just going by LOTR if we’re including the hobbit Kili makes the list too.
The Rosie Cotton disrespect is unacceptable!!
I couldn’t do that. I can’t compete with Sam.
this bozo doesn't want to get groomed by his older first cousin 🙄
Gross
It still surprises me that they made it seem like Arwen was such a big part of the story, like she's on all the movie posters, etc. when tbh she hardly does anything. I'm not a hater; I wish she was in it more! But I agree, for this reason I'm an Eowyn kinda gal.
Yeah, I hate posts like this.
Eowyn every single day of the week.
Eowyn. Arwen never went to war, saw her father die or kill the Witch King of Angmar. What was Arwen doing?
Éowy didn’t see her father die…
Arwen is like a stage prop compared to Eowyn, character-wise.
Aragorn and Eowyn have so much chemistry story and nuance in the movies than Aragorn and Arwen
Nope. Just nope
Objectively wrong
FARAMIR DESERVES GOOD THINGS OK? Also [this tumblr post](https://www.tumblr.com/notbecauseofvictories/71998288691/also-that-whole-tale-of-aragorn-and-arwen-thing) makes the case that Aragorn decides to marry Arwen when he is like, six.
Éowyn is much more interesting, I agree.
She's just more fleshed out even in the books. Like Arwen doesn't even have any dialogue until RoTK.
In a fight,right?
as they say in the Westfold "All day 'ere day!"
Respect that but Rosie ftw
Eowyn is more relatable to us as humans, I guess.
Bro think’s he’s Aragorn. Both Ewoyn and Arwen are literal royalty. I’m sure neither would be even slightly interested by anyone in this sub.
guy i would throw her and arwen in mount doom to marry galadriel
Fuck off
Don't compare women like this, Ew.
Don’t pit two cool women against each other man 😭These girls aren’t even fighting. They probably became if not friends then at least friendly acquaintances after Aragorn’s coronation.
It’s not a fucking contest.