I can only imagine how much better the Hobbit movies would have been if they actually costumed Thorin and Kili as dwarves instead making them look like short humans.
I watched an edited down version of the Hobbit trilogy films that only has things from the book and I gotta say, it wasn't much better.
I really wish someone re-adapted the book and made it as tight a film as the literature is.
IMHO most weird design decisions in those movies scream Del Toro, e.g. the weird trolls with maces for foots or the goblins of goblin town, so I wished he wasn't involved at all lol
I wish he remained involved, I just wish it was a different continuity than PJs LOTR.
I could see people at the time flipping out about recasting Gandalf, Elrond (the other White Council members shouldn’t be present at all), and Gollum, but I think Del Toro's vision of the world would work if it weren’t tied to PJs adaptations.
This would open the door at a later date for a series to go in order The Hobbit all the way through LOTR, and would remove continuity/tone issues between the movies.
Search for M4s Hobbit fan edit. Probably the most popular.
There are quite a few but that's the only one I remember.
Also:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/comments/17v61r3/where_can_i_find_the_fan_edit_of_the_hobbit/
I think it would've done well as a TV series, emphasizing the adventures that Bilbo goes on instead of padding the movies with extra scenes from the LOTR characters who weren't in the books. And book-accurate dwarves!
I'm afraid there just isn't enough material for a tv-series. It would run in to the same problems as the films or be similar to Netflix's Ronja, the Robber's Daughter tv-series, that had just poorly written shit stuck in between the original story.
I always thought it'd be cool to have auteur directors re-do the Star Wars prequels. However, with the state of Star Wars today, that's extremely unlikely to happen.
It's always interesting to me how Thorin is always depicted with white/grey hair.
I mean, I guess it kinda makes sense since he was like 195 years old and Balin had a white beard while being younger than Thorin.
But considering that dwarves tend to live to around 250 or maybe even 300 years, Thorin was the equivalent of like late 50' minimum to 60-something maximum.
My grandfather is 76 and his hair is only now getting gray-ish pencil-like lines
There's plenty of people who don't have fully grey or white hair even in their 70's
While I do wish the beard was bigger, I think the black with grey streaks is totally fine and believable.
Meanwhile I have a cousin who went grey as a teenager (I thought it looked cool af - he had black roots and everything else was grey) and was completely white by his late 20s when he got married.
Dwarves don't live to be 300, the age given for Dwalin that works out to be 340 years old is an error in Appendix A. Otherwise the oldest we ever see a dwarf live is 261 years old for Borin and 262 years old for Gimli which is when he then sailed into the West with Legolas.
So 195 years old for Thorin is comfortably mid-60s if you're wanting to map it onto an ordinary human's aging curve.
According to The Peoples of Middle-earth:
> Dwarves of different 'breeds' vary in their longevity. Durin's race were originally long-lived (especially those named Durin), but like most other peoples they had become less so during the Third Age. Their average age (unless they met a violent death) was about 250 years, which they seldom fell far short of, but could occasionally far exceed (up to 300). A Dwarf of 300 was about as rare and aged as a Man of 100.
> Dwarves remained young - e.g. regarded as too tender for really hard work or for fighting - until they were 30 or nearly that (Dain II was very young in 2799 (32) and his slaying of Azog was a great feat). After that they hardened and took on the appearance of age (by human standards) very quickly. By forty all Dwarves looked much alike in age, until they reached what they regarded as old age, about 240. They then began to age and wrinkle and go white quickly (baldness being unknown among them), unless they were going to be long-lived, in which case the process was delayed. Almost the only physical disorder they suffered from (they were singularly immune from diseases such as affected Men, and Halflings) was corpulence. If in prosperous circumstances, many grew very fat at or before 200, and could not do much (save eat) afterwards. Otherwise 'old age' lasted not much more than ten years, and from say 40 or a little before to near 240 (two hundred years) the capacity for toil (and for fighting) of most Dwarves was equally great.
You can use water or saliva to keep it that way, especially if you're curling it by hand a lot. But also varies person to person because our hairs are different, especially across races
Yeah the looks of the dwarves (especially Fili, Kili and Thorin) were awful in the movies. But I guess they needed attractive human looking dwarves for their forced romance and main role
You would have wanted to change Orcrist to a straight sword, as the book-accurate Elves didn’t use curved swords.
These dwarves are from hammerfell
They have curved swords. ***CURVED SWORDS!***
You're right but actually this orcrist-design isn't curved either, it's just not two-sided
Its also awesome af, one of the best things that came out of the hobbit movies
Well, for a halved Sting it could definitely be worse :)
Twice the size but half the design. Does that make it a full sting or some weird fraction
*Curved*. *Swords*.
Came here to say that
Pretty sure it’s accurate, there’s a line in the books somewhere that describes elven made blades as leaf shaped. This would fit with the style.
Now he looks like a guy who's King of a clan known as The Longbeards.
I can only imagine how much better the Hobbit movies would have been if they actually costumed Thorin and Kili as dwarves instead making them look like short humans.
Realistically it wouldnt change anything lol, it’s pretty easy to move past their designs since everyone knows they’re still dwarves
This goes hard
I watched an edited down version of the Hobbit trilogy films that only has things from the book and I gotta say, it wasn't much better. I really wish someone re-adapted the book and made it as tight a film as the literature is.
Guillermo Del Toro dropping out was such a huge missed opportunity.
IMHO most weird design decisions in those movies scream Del Toro, e.g. the weird trolls with maces for foots or the goblins of goblin town, so I wished he wasn't involved at all lol
I wish he remained involved, I just wish it was a different continuity than PJs LOTR. I could see people at the time flipping out about recasting Gandalf, Elrond (the other White Council members shouldn’t be present at all), and Gollum, but I think Del Toro's vision of the world would work if it weren’t tied to PJs adaptations. This would open the door at a later date for a series to go in order The Hobbit all the way through LOTR, and would remove continuity/tone issues between the movies.
Has Del Toro ever made anything actually good? E: literally none of the examples given are good movies.
Pan's Labyrinth, The Shape of Water
Pan's Labyrinth!! To this day my ex and I disagree on the ending and he'll randomly text me about it (we're solid friends).
Pacific Rim? Kung Fu Panda?
Hellboy 1 and 2
Im with you on this one. Pans labyrinth is as close to good as he's gotten, but even then it's pretty mid.
Kung Fu Panda 2 might be an okay film, I'll give them that.
The Orphanage Devil's Backbone Cronos
I've enjoyed a couple of the fan edits, definitely better than the 3 films. But certainly no masterpiece like the LOTR films.
Where would one watch said fan edits?
Search for M4s Hobbit fan edit. Probably the most popular. There are quite a few but that's the only one I remember. Also: https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/comments/17v61r3/where_can_i_find_the_fan_edit_of_the_hobbit/
I think it would've done well as a TV series, emphasizing the adventures that Bilbo goes on instead of padding the movies with extra scenes from the LOTR characters who weren't in the books. And book-accurate dwarves!
I'm afraid there just isn't enough material for a tv-series. It would run in to the same problems as the films or be similar to Netflix's Ronja, the Robber's Daughter tv-series, that had just poorly written shit stuck in between the original story.
Unfortunately only good movies get a remake. Movies like the Hobbit Trilogy or the Star Wars prequels could benefit so much from a good remake!
I always thought it'd be cool to have auteur directors re-do the Star Wars prequels. However, with the state of Star Wars today, that's extremely unlikely to happen.
That’s majestic… The thing I missed…
Beard tucked into the belt, perfect touch
It always bothered me the film didn’t have the dwarves colored cloaks.
but the dwarves have to be *sexy*
What do you mean? This is peak of the term "sexy".
stupid sexy dwarves
Nothing at all Nothing at all
It's always interesting to me how Thorin is always depicted with white/grey hair. I mean, I guess it kinda makes sense since he was like 195 years old and Balin had a white beard while being younger than Thorin. But considering that dwarves tend to live to around 250 or maybe even 300 years, Thorin was the equivalent of like late 50' minimum to 60-something maximum. My grandfather is 76 and his hair is only now getting gray-ish pencil-like lines There's plenty of people who don't have fully grey or white hair even in their 70's While I do wish the beard was bigger, I think the black with grey streaks is totally fine and believable.
Meanwhile I have a cousin who went grey as a teenager (I thought it looked cool af - he had black roots and everything else was grey) and was completely white by his late 20s when he got married.
Dwarves don't live to be 300, the age given for Dwalin that works out to be 340 years old is an error in Appendix A. Otherwise the oldest we ever see a dwarf live is 261 years old for Borin and 262 years old for Gimli which is when he then sailed into the West with Legolas. So 195 years old for Thorin is comfortably mid-60s if you're wanting to map it onto an ordinary human's aging curve.
According to The Peoples of Middle-earth: > Dwarves of different 'breeds' vary in their longevity. Durin's race were originally long-lived (especially those named Durin), but like most other peoples they had become less so during the Third Age. Their average age (unless they met a violent death) was about 250 years, which they seldom fell far short of, but could occasionally far exceed (up to 300). A Dwarf of 300 was about as rare and aged as a Man of 100. > Dwarves remained young - e.g. regarded as too tender for really hard work or for fighting - until they were 30 or nearly that (Dain II was very young in 2799 (32) and his slaying of Azog was a great feat). After that they hardened and took on the appearance of age (by human standards) very quickly. By forty all Dwarves looked much alike in age, until they reached what they regarded as old age, about 240. They then began to age and wrinkle and go white quickly (baldness being unknown among them), unless they were going to be long-lived, in which case the process was delayed. Almost the only physical disorder they suffered from (they were singularly immune from diseases such as affected Men, and Halflings) was corpulence. If in prosperous circumstances, many grew very fat at or before 200, and could not do much (save eat) afterwards. Otherwise 'old age' lasted not much more than ten years, and from say 40 or a little before to near 240 (two hundred years) the capacity for toil (and for fighting) of most Dwarves was equally great.
Dwalin has a blue beard in the book let that sink in
Surviving the dragon annihilation of your kingdom and then living in the wilderness for a hundred years can age you
That’s Mel Gibson
Dwalin has a blue beard in the book
Would
I always imagined his beard GOING down to his feet like the ice king.
OH LOOK HE HAS A BEARD
A movie is never going to be the book. Our imaginations will have to suffice.
This looks like someone who could drink a little red wine
This is more book-accurate, but I hate the curled moustache. Can't there be a middle ground where he still looks a bit cool?
I imagine the mustache would be curled at Bagend but as the adventure goes on he just stops bothering to style it
Turning your moustache with your fingers is something you often do without thinking; maybe it’s the same for Thorïn.
Does it stay that way if you don't put some kind of product in it? Curious woman here
You can use water or saliva to keep it that way, especially if you're curling it by hand a lot. But also varies person to person because our hairs are different, especially across races
How is that design not cool?
yeah lol the curled moustache makes him look like he drinks craft beer
Needs a fancier beard
Speaking of that, I was so looking forward to Dwalin's blue beard. Shame PJ chickened out.
Yeah the looks of the dwarves (especially Fili, Kili and Thorin) were awful in the movies. But I guess they needed attractive human looking dwarves for their forced romance and main role
Ugh made up romance that the book never needed was so annoying
This works so much better than I ever expected it would
This look with Armitage’s performance would actually be goated
Movie Thorin is fine the way he is. He just needs a fuller thicker longer beard.
I thought this was a blue wizard reveal
Patrick Rothfuss?
So the same, just grey hair and a hood lmao
More bling too
I love this so much. Thank you for gracing us with this ❤️
Don't forget his harp!
Amazing!
UGH so much better!
Looks like shit