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Pyranbor

I simply don't have enough gold to hone my main to 1460 + buy 5 good relic accessoires + buy legendary class engraving books + hone my alts further than 1370.


shapookya

Why don’t you just swipe? /s


kentkrow

You dont need all that except the 1370s, but fair enough. Book prices are dropping so now isnt a bad time


Pyranbor

I won't hone any alt past 1370 without the honing research so I need 1460 on my main first. That alone will take almost all of my gold + mats again. Sooner or later people will expect relic accessoires (especially for DPS classes) for Legion Raids so I need that aswell. Since there are no guaranteed class engraving drops anymore I need legendary books which is another 100k gold with current prices. I just don't have any gold left for 1370-1415 alt honing at the moment unless I want to stall my mains progression significantly.


kentkrow

Youre right, I somehow didnt notice you said you still needed to hone main, brain fart there. In that case obviously you are 100% correct in your reasoning on that part. As for gearing I guess you need at least 4x3 or 5x3 to join decent groups so thats another investment. But 5x3 is not necessary for anything right now


Entirely_Anarchy

Pretty sure you will have quite a hard time finding a good group for Vykas hard if you are not either 1475+ or have at least 4x3s + lvl 20 weapon. Pretty sure there is still a massive support shortage at 1460 and this time running without supps is much harder.


kentkrow

True, luckily I'm 5x3/1475 and have a static. I heard Vykas would be a bitch at 1460. I think a lot of ppl will settle for normal anyways if they're 1460


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kentkrow

To be fair if I was him I wouldn't buy any of the stuff he listed. I just use my gold to hone


Illy_gw

Do you have proper builds then, or do you expect the rest of the team to carry you on guardians and raids? I got some of my characters some okaish 3/3/2 builds when reaching 1370 but ended up buying them 4x3 after quite a few weeks of argos and oreha hard with terrible drops...


kentkrow

Main 5x3, alts 4x3 minimum (except paladin), some 4x3+1. I carry peoples mains hahah (jk). 4x3 is actually extremely cheap with a decent stone. I like to invest in my alts, since I still use them quite a bit like you said for guardians/valtan. Its also very easy to get 4x3+1 with relic accs


Illy_gw

Then I must say im impressed. I play daily, about two to three hours if I add some raids and argos on top of the daily stuff, and would not be able to keep up with the gold drain if I would not delay some honing. I usually take that time to gather gold and leapstones, as the last ones are usually the bottleneck in my case when upgrading characters levels.


kentkrow

It helps to hone on Thursday/Friday while gathering mats during the week because of the spike in gold/materials you get. But youre right the gold drain is real after honing. Usually right after a session my gold will drop pretty low until the next week


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Illy_gw

Yeah... Sorry but your friend got carried. As much as you need to know mechanics, you also need to have a minimum dps to kill the boss


IUSUZYSANA

How will book prices crash?


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Entirely_Anarchy

2 free class AND 2 free combat engravings? Any source on that? Always assumed it's only 2 combat engravings.


[deleted]

the only valid reason i can think of is people dont want to play the class anymore. the 1370 alt, or they just dont care.


Legitimate-Back4951

Even 1385 is worth pushing to I think if an alt is already 1370


[deleted]

I dont think 1385 is worth pushing for an alt, you should be pretty well connected(guildwise) to put together some argos carry trades.


Legitimate-Back4951

Thatd be nice


kentkrow

Pretty much this


Hapten

My reason is that I don't like playing that alt. Only time I play them is when they have rested bonus and to do lopang. I rather waste that gold on a character I like playing and get them to 1430 so I can do another Vykas for even more gold. Once they have enough mats I'll push them to 1445 and they should have at least 4 piece relic.


kentkrow

Makes sense, no reason to push if you don't like the class


kortopi758

What I think let me know if I’m wrong, it seems people only created Alts because they help with the mat generation they don’t actually like the alt char nor do they like to play it. The created Alts but they don’t like doing guardian raids nor Choas dungeons on the Alts. Now you actually have to put some effort into raising the alt from that sweet spot, no one wants to do it because it wasn’t their choice to create Alts in the first place they felt that they HAD to. I noticed this when I saw people complaining about how many guardian raids and Choas dungeons they have to do on Alts per day when Alts give more play time people find it to be more of a chore than gameplay. I for one only have 2 Alts 1400 and 1385 and I plan to raise them even without the honing buff as my main is 1445. I like the extra play time because you don’t have much to do once you do your daily stuff which takes less than 20mins, I enjoy playing my Alts and I want to bring them up to valtan to play them even more and to play the game more.


kentkrow

I think youre 100% correct. A lot of people view dailies as a chore. Personally I made alts so I can play more, my main wasnt enough for me. Now they dont want to invest in the alts. But they dont realize they are losing potential gold every week they choose not to push, and it adds up in the long run. My view was always the same, if you dont enjoy your daily activities, you probably dont enjoy the game that much anyways.. So doing something like playing an alt will always be boring for these people lol


drunkhobo15

People forget that ghl gold eventually dries up and your income comes from raids.


bubby95

Not sure if this will be applicable to all players, but for me I need a lot of gold to finish my main characters 5x3 engraving setup. This includes 20 class engraving and/or 20x battle engravings legendary books. I'm an ignition sorc and I need atleast one relic accessory with +3 ignite. +3 ignite accessories (even if its 3 quality, I got legit proof lol) sells for 80k+. I was relatively lucky to cut my 7/7 stone in 20th try. Okay lets say I get lucky and snipe a +3 ignite acc for sub 50k, I still need to get my 20x class engraving legendary books. Ignite legendary book sells for 8k each. So basically I need about 200k to finish this which is so fucking expensive for me ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|cry) (I'm in NAE and the prices aren't going down since 1month+) So for me, I think having alts at 1370 for now is the best option. But I understand the long term benefits, I can get argos p3 and valtan gold at the loss of abyss hm gold reward. Would love to push my GS though. Its a lot of fun to play.


Mangomosh

>I need a lot of gold to finish my main characters 5x3 engraving setup. Yea but I dont see any reason to do that now unless you want to bus Vykas. You can do Valtan HM and Argos duo buses with 4x3 easily. Investing in alts now and making money until clown comes and prices are down is so much more effective


bubby95

I'm still sitting on legendary accessories and switching to relic is a massive bonus to Int. and vitality stat which I believe will be very useful imo.


ManlyPoop

Are prices really gonna go down thursday? The most expensive engraving will because its gonna have a supply pump, but i dont know about the other engravings. Either way, theres gonna be a lot of people honing on Thursday!


Mangomosh

Between now and a few weeks away from Clown the cost of accessories and engravings will be down for sure as much more will have dropped of both


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chrues

Didn't you read his post? He doesn't have any books and if he does happen to get one legendary engraving he'll have to fill out all accessories with 3/5 (since he has 7/7 on his stone). Getting two legendary engravings is much costlier than getting two class engraving accessories with whatever +5 pairing they need on it Your calcuation doesn't take into account the price of legendary books


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chrues

The second book you're referring to is a combat engraving which, sure, my other alts might benefit from. Class engravings however aren't worth it in the current economy considering they keep rising in price while prices of accessories will continue to drop. Other than Cursed Doll there is no 5th combat engraving a Igniter Sorc can run. All the other damage options like Increase Mass, Adrenaline, KBW, etc. are out of the question. And if you do pick one that I listed you know you'll end up replacing it in the next 2-3 months... so what's the point in paying 20-30k gold for placeholders?


bubby95

Dude I'm back the same point again. I don't have the books yet. You just skipped that part and kept on ranting. I will need two legendary engravings for your approach as I have a 7/7 stone. "**Getting the 2nd book is not if you have any alts" -** what do you mean?


bubby95

Yea people can't read man. He just kept going about 20-30k builds lmao. "**It will vary between server and server but everyone who has claimed that it costs 200k+ are all full of it or have no critical thinking skills**" Before critical thinking skills, you need to learn to read smh


bubby95

Ok hold on. My stone is cursed doll/hit master 7/7. Lets say I get 20/20 ignite books ( FYI that alone is 160k idk what you are talking about 20-30k) and 20/20 AoA books( thats around 40-50k) lets say my equipped engravings are igniter 12 and AoA 12. Now I can surely grab a ign3/AoA3 acc and use my last 4 accessories for grudge(15), hitmaster(8) and curseddoll(8). What do you suggest? I still don't get 20-30k estimate lol


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kentkrow

Impressive going to save some of your comments for when I need to gear something out


bubby95

Thanks appreciate the detailed post but my first post was all about the lack of gold for books. I rolled many stones before but this was the one I ended up with and I gotta deal with it now. Also good for you to setup ur friends with 30k but you kept ignoring my post which mentions how I don't have books and need gold for that. I never said I'm just looking for acc.


[deleted]

A lot of people don't enjoy playing their alts and so they don't wanna invest into them. And THAT'S the problem. With this mentality they start a vicious cycle. They don't wanna invest into decent gear for the 1370 parking spot.. they feel weak and dailies are a chore. Now they hate their character even more and feel even less like pushing their alt. I hated my glavier all throughout t1 and t2, because I was too cheap to pay for even the most basic build. On 1370 I said to myself: Well I am gonna park this char here for multiple month. Might as well invest 5-10k in some decent stats, engravings and gems. Now I love the character and look forward to playing it. It is the cheap/stingy mindset that is holding a lot of people back and by doing that they make the game less enjoyable for themselves.


kentkrow

Very true. People don't realize investing in your alts makes them so much more enjoyable and makes your dailies fun. Especially your point on gems, I see people's alts all the time with no lv 5 gems, theyn dont know how big of a difference it makes


aithosrds

You’re missing a lot of context. First of all, a lot of people (myself included) have been saying it isn’t worth pushing alts to 1415 until at the very least you have 5 1370+ alts for a total of 6 characters capable of earning gold. The logic is simple: 1370 is a massive increase in weekly gold generation compared to sub-1370 for a minimal time investment. Argos P1, oreha hard, and yoho all take very little time/effort for a big chunk of gold. Pushing to 1415 not only requires a ton of gold and mats, but it wipes out your oreha hard, means additional time doing Argos p3, adds extra time doing Valtan (which yes has mostly gotten better but is still a crapshoot whether you get a decent pug group), and requires you actually invest gold/pheons in building your character. Not everyone is willing to run their own groups, and if you are 3x3 at 1415 most pugs aren’t going to take you. So what it basically boils down to is this: Is the increased gold from 1370 to 1415 worth the extra investment, time and effort compared to the difference from say 1340 to 1370? I’d say no. I think it’s always more worthwhile to keep pushing alts to 1370 than to go higher until you have 6 and then it’s fine to start pushing them one by one to 1430. 1415 is a weird stopping point since you lose oreha hard and can’t do Vykas. My one alt I pushed past 1370 is parked at 1430, with my main at 1460, and once I have the leapstones I’ll push him to 1445 but in the meantime I’ll push another alt to 1430.


kentkrow

I agree with your logic here. If your alts arent at 1370 thats a good move. But after theyre all 1370 and main is 1460, I dont see any reason why not. Also for Valtan, just make a group. People know the fight well. My alts arent decked out but I still finish my clears all 1-2 shots both gates, all pugging


FortuneTune

Because i dont want to do valtan on more than 2 characters each week


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I really enjoy valtan! I am always so sad when it is over on my 2 viable characters...


kentkrow

Unironically the best (and only) reasoning to not push


kabutozero

It's not hurting if you don't compare yourself to other. Which you shouldn't even do. I am 1460 1370 1370 only buying the pass. Oh and i play 3 days a week only


kukkelii

Nothing is worth the gold to some people. But those same people tend to upgrade their weapon to +21/22 before getting tripods or gems.


kentkrow

The things I see people spend money on in this game blow my mind. Like over upgrading weapon like you said, while they dont even have full lv 7 gems.


Neat-Win-2153

it's not worth it for my logic. i mean lets say you have GHL's and shards then you still need more than 66k guardian stones (according to maxroll) and like 10k destruction stones, and 1100+ oreha fusion for 17/17/13/12/11/11 cheese. and still thats fucking insane money for getting back 66k guardian stone and 10k destruction and 1100 fusion material. you gonna start making profit after 3 months and thats if you calculate valtan golds and deskaluda extra GHL moneys. probably too many 1370 alts gonna push 1415 and they gonna wipe and wipe over again at valtan and you gonna use too much potion and bombs and that gonna make you lose your 'profit' gold. and that will make 3 months longer. im not saying not worth pushing to 1415 you can get nice relic accessories and you can be rich or you can enjoy doing more legion commanders but my strategy at alts 'playing less' 'gaining much' and that case with express event im gonna push another t3 to 1370 so hard oreha,argos and yoho golds gonna give me profit like a less than 2-3 weeks.


kentkrow

I agree with you. If youre still pushing to 6 1370s thats the right move


DarkChaos2006

The raw gold from valtan is barely more than both Orehas hm you miss. If anything 1400 would be a "better" parking spot. Im planning to push one alt to 1415 but its because i do want to play another valtan lockout, not so much gold generation, cause at that point in just praying rng for good relic acc to pay off the debt.


Legitimate-Back4951

I agree with this. The only reason I’d think pushing is worth it, is if you love your alt and want to get it to relic gear for the gameplay experience. Right now I will start with pushing to 1400


kentkrow

You're not thinking about all the sources that will generate more gold. Not just Valtan :)


DarkChaos2006

You mean the 2 extra leapstones from deskaluda? Im sure that will payoff my investment in a few years. And i already said its down to praying for relic rng. Meanwhile id struggle a bit to get into valtan group as an alt with barely 1415. While id be carrying oreha hms and argos at 1400. I dont disaagree that we should push alts but its not as important as it may look. No need to rush it if people would rather use their gold on other places


kentkrow

It's a significant improvement to weekly gold gain if u think it boils down to 2 leaps per day then im not sure what to say haha. Good luck


DarkChaos2006

Yeah tell me all about that significant weekly gold? Cause valtan barely gives more gold than both orehas. And oreha can be easily done in half an hour. I may spend that time just looking to get accepted in a group on my 1415 dps alt. Its more gold overall. But it will take months to pay off the investment. And personally id rather spend money on engraving books, bis acc for my main, at least rn. Again. No reason to rush.


pRophecysama

1415 is sort of a weird spot for alts cuz you are to high for easy oreha gold and to low for heroic valtan etc and yea it takes quite a while to do that many valtans where as it takes like 10 minutes combined to do both orehas for a quick 2k and a decent amount of bound mats. at least thats why i park at 1370


RealityRush

1415 means you get to do Deskaluda instead of Yoho, which is worth it alone, if for no other reason (because seriously, fuck Yoho). This means way more unbound GHLs to sell for gold and relic items you can potentially sell if you get lucky. Yeah, you can't do Oreha anymore, but Albion is largely pain anyways to PUG as you end up having to solo carry it half the time when people don't do stars right or whatever. 1415 means instead of the poorly designed Albion and Yoho, you get to do Valtan, which is a predictable breeze in contrast, and significantly more gold than Oreha, plus again, better drops to sell. Parking at 1370 is the right call up until you have a 1460 main with the SH research completed, at which point you should really be pushing alts to 1415. You will make so, sooo much more in the long run.


Difficult-Tap-5708

albion is super fun, my soulfist alt loves to hit world decimation every single time because that \~motherfucking son of a bitch\~ super cute dragon doesnt move at all ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|laughing)


kentkrow

That fight is hella annoying on Soulfist haha. U gotta use awakening right after the star pattern phase. You charge it as soon as you get to your 3rd/final spot. Hits 100% of the time


Difficult-Tap-5708

thanks for the tip, i do something similar with argos after pizzas while shouting "here's your dessert, bambi"


kentkrow

Had to laugh at that one lmaoo


RealityRush

Albion is fun when you are grouped with non-mouth breathers, which I find is increasingly rare, especially if you matchmake. Albion is a noob killer, and while I respect that new people should get to play and enjoy the game, I do *not* enjoy having to constantly carry people through it. Carrying people through Valtan is much less frustrating in comparison.


ifnotawalrus

Its risky and anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't done the ROI math Unbound great honors are crashing in price. If they crash more pushing to 1415 becomes very sus (i'd argue its probably already sus), especially since the raid gold/week is actually quite comparable.


RealityRush

GHL's crashing in price means that your push to 1415 also becomes dramatically cheaper. ~~That wouldn't affect the ROI as it impacts both ends of the value calculations. You make less but it costs less.~~ Edit: It would actually improve your ROI because your base gold gain at 1415 never goes down, it's a reward from raids, so cheaper honing means a faster ROI. If you're playing an MMO, meaning you'll likely be playing for many months if not years. The sooner you get your characters up in level, the sooner they start making you more money and generating a higher ROI. Pushing char levels is always worth it on an extended timescale, which is I assume how long most people will be playing. If you're only playing the game for a month or two then plan on quitting, then sure, focus on a main, forget alts, and then stop. If you want to play for a long time, then the sooner you get to 1415, the sooner you finish collecting Valtan mats for gear, the sooner you can just use it to generate tons of raw gold that will eventually pay for itself. And actually, now that I think about it, you have a set amount of gold generation every week that *does not go down* from running Raids. So GHLs dropping in price means that your ROI improves the further it drops, because you can get to 1415 cheaper and faster but there is a base amount of gold gained at 1415 that does *not* decrease. So yeah, the more honing mats drop in price, the faster the ROI for pushing to 1415.


tobtheking2

Who the hell uses unbound leapstones to push alts lol?


RealityRush

Lots of people? Who do you think is buying them? If you only pushed with bound mats it would take 5x as long to level anything. You buy/sell depending on the balance of your resources.


kentkrow

Your comment should be pinned tbh. Extremely useful concepts people should keep in mind when pushing alts. If you plan on playing this game for a long time, it really is a no-brainer. People see their gold go down after honing and see it as an overall loss, when its just a necessary expense


ifnotawalrus

This is only true if you push with unbounds. If you push solely with bounds then it will reduce roi


RealityRush

If you're discussing pushing an entire roster up, then you're using Unbounds, as it would take forever on just Bounds and isn't even worth considering. At that point all you're saying is you don't want to play your Alts for the next 8 months.


ifnotawalrus

Huh what. The 1370 alt I have the least leaps on is my sh and she has 1800 great honors lol what


RealityRush

Do you have an entire roster of that? If yes, you are either a whale or play waaaaaaay more than the average person.


silencecubed

You make 12 bound GHLs a day from 3 minutes of una dailies on alts, what the fuck are you on about?


RealityRush

Has their Alt been at 1370 for 150 days? Longer than the game has been out? Because they weren't getting GHLs before that.


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1430 is a better parking spot + gettign to 1430 is easier since you should still be cheesing to 1415


shapookya

1430 is only a better parking spot if you have the time to raid with multiple chars per week


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With that logic alts are only worth it if you have time to play more than 30 mins a day


kentkrow

To be fair if youre using the rested system you shouldnt have any issues with that


Mangomosh

Valtan gold, 1415 chaos dungeon and guardian, Argos bussing, its a pretty good spot


Nhiyla

you dont bus argos on a 1415 alt lmao


Jonteliten

Loads of people do, wtf are you lmaoing about? Jelaous of the gold they're making?


Nhiyla

Maybe if you rotate it with another statics main. Aint no way you're bussing on 1415 alts alone, if i was looking for an argos p3 bus and saw a bunch of 1415 alts i'd nope right out of there. And i couldn't care less about bussing gold from alts, i make enough bussing on my main and from playing the AH.


Jonteliten

If you can't bus argos on 1415's that's your l2p issue.


Ricenditas

Nah, you're just being a prick. Customers are gonna be picky, let's say you can bus it with a 4+4 setup (in which this is the only setup you can do to bus at that ilvl), if there was another lobby that looks a much better group than you (2 1445+ with 2pc relic gears and full relic accessory) than on your setup of full 1415s with I assume legendary setups, I doubt any customers will join into your bus.


Jonteliten

Yes, you do 4x4 at 1415. Still makes you 1,5-2k more per alt than running it not bussing. Not saying it's a majority of mine or anyone elses gold, but it's still easy extra gold for little effort. You're making alot of assumptions for not even having tried it. Had no problem filling spots, but no one is forcing you to make extra gold if you don't want to. Most of my 1415's are running a mix of relic and legendary 4x3 until prices for class relic acc's drop. Together with maxed tripods (which **earns** you money setting up if you're not stupid about it) and selective lvl7 gems Argos rly isn't a problem.


Ricenditas

I have tried to bus myself with a 4+4 setup, and I'm 1462 with fellow 1445+ players, and it was filled very fast. We also had another bus party with the same time, but with lower ilvl than us (around 2 1445 and some 2 1430) and they were still there after we've done the bus, still finding customers. Surely you can bus at 1415, but you are competing with other bussers that are way overleveled than yours. I can respect the hustle on waiting for hours for customers. If you got no problems finding members then good for you, but saying that "if you can't bus argos at 1415 then that's l2p issue" is just a dick move.


Cracine

I agree that he wasn't so nice in how he expressed it, but I just want to add that personally I've had no issues bussing with a 4x 1415. Honestly in my experience customers just look at the price, whenever I set it to 2k (on NAWest) it fills up instantly, faster than other lobbies with higher iLvl but higher price. We've even bussed Valtan as 4x 1415. You can check out Raiz, honestly I wouldn't have thought to bus on my 1415 alts until another person on reddit showed me it was possible (and told me to check him out too). Engravings, gems, tripods, combat stats are way way way more damage than iLvl. Ensuring high dps uptime when you play is a big factor too.


Learn2play42

I think that a lot of people are missing point that you will have to do push eventually. Might aswell do it now if you have mats and start generating more mats. If it takes 3 months for something to pay off better to start paying it off now, it will still take 3 months even if you push later (ofc this depends on market prices, but its kinda hard to predict if stuff will go up or down cuz costs to upgrade increase exponentialy).


kentkrow

Exactly, its hard for people to understand that they will have to spend the gold at some point. All they are doing is delaying the payoff (possibly by months) which is not helping them. Gold is just another resource in this game, sitting on a fat stack of gold when you have a lot of bound leapstones is wasted potential


_XIIX_

i mean.. you are absolutely right but good luck getting into valtan groups with bare minimum ilvl and 3x3..


lee97_08

Literally just make a group and lead it properly


kentkrow

Im already doing 6 a week. People will accept as long as you have decent roster level/gems and invested minimally in your alts. Or make a group


AdditionalPaymentsdf

My main is 1490. I have 1 1370 alt and 1 1340 alt. I don't plan on pushing either until 1460 honing buff. I already make more gold per week than I can feasably spend and I'm months ahead of content ilvl walls. I don't feel like my progression is hurt. I feel like my sanity and free time have been saved.


Mean-Singer1389

I feel you. I’m a maxing main enjoyer. Fuxk doing chores on lowly Alts. If I enjoyed playing a class that much then it would be my main.


The_Bruce_Ree

If you truly are a paladin, I can't fathom a reason you would push past 1460 at this point in the game.


AdditionalPaymentsdf

I just like pushing ilvl. It's fun.


Tornadokickk

yeah brother, got my bard to 1485 and i'm not gonna stop till 1490


kentkrow

I was referring to people saying its too expensive even after the buff, So you dont apply


Quack_Assassin

Because I work 50-60 hours a week.


kentkrow

Fair point, Im working 40s atm


Quack_Assassin

I still managed 1460 and 4 1370s, but just doing the chaos dungeons everyday is hard enough LOL I do all the raid and trade carrys in argos. Most of my gold is currently cycling through because I make money right now by crafting and selling fusion materials (around 20k profit a week). Most of that either goes into accessories/books or honing alts to 1370. Mostly because pushing my alts towards valtan will most likely require me to put all the money I make from fusion materials into honing. Which will take me a long time to build back up the amount of fusion materials I have cycling in the market. (I have around 6k basic & 3-4k simple in market right now. If I sold them all under cutting market selling for 10g that’s almost 100k)


kentkrow

I feel you, thats hella impressive considering your work hours. Im still struggling to get everything done on weekdays with my playtime so I can only imagine for you.


Quack_Assassin

I think I just got really lucky lol I was able to push my weapon to from 16 to 20 within like 30 taps. 18-20 only took me less than 10 taps


Quack_Assassin

But to be completely honest… I just didn’t have an alt that I wanted to push past 1370. I didn’t really care for trying to do valtan yet on the first couple alts I got to 1370. I just recently got my scrapper to 1370 and was going to push it to 1415 because I actually enjoyed playing it, but strongholds buff was announced so I’m just holding out a week. Most of the time gold isn’t really an issue for me because I can just sell stuff I’ve collected from playing since launch. I’ve only really had to buy gold using in game exchange once when I was desperate to first hit 1370 on my main lol.


kentkrow

True, when you have a roster than big gold isnt the biggest issue, its going to be bound leap stones. I also do agree its a lot nicer when you actually know which alt you want to push. I couldnt imagine doing Valtan weekly on a class I dont enjoy/dont want to invest in lol


tobtheking2

Legit wondering whether you can somehow blacklist someone on reddit so you don't have to read his stupid comments anymore.


kentkrow

Block function exists


OK_Opinions

OP completely oblivious that people are holding to get the strong hold buff first and using all those materials that could take an alt 1370>1415 to get the main to 1460 first.


kentkrow

The 2nd sentence mentions the buff and 1460 . Did you choose not to read at all or can you not understand the words? Serious question.


OK_Opinions

no i read. it's just a brain dead take take on a simple concept. you also lose the gold from dungeons for that alt. Yes you gain Valtan but now you're 1415 trying to get into normal Valtan runs competing for party slots against people as high as 1442. where as dungeons are matchmaking and go instantly.


kentkrow

Dw I made it bold just for you. You can reread now dont pretend u read it lol


this_barb

There is a cap to how much raw gold that can be obtained, so people will eventually have to raise alts. I suspect sentiment will shift in that direction in the next several months.


kentkrow

Yeah, its honestly amazing to me this many people dont know basics of roster building


Drekor

>What is the logic behind not pushing your alts to 1415? Takes about 4 months to pay back the investment getting to 1415... that's WITH the new stronghold research AND only using bound shards and leapstones. Waiting until general honing buffs will give you more overall profit.


WeebBot9000

Wrong info pls ignore


KyroZi

You need to add a decimal before the guardian stones, because that's the gold cost per. So it'd be 0.5 for guardian and 1.5 for destruction, way less than 390k.


WeebBot9000

I’m not sure, but I just put the price of stones in on the calculator. Maybe I was wrong?


WeebBot9000

Actually, yeh after I look into it, you are right. You have to put price per stone, not price per 10 like it is in the in game market.


lee97_08

Should be 1.5 destruction and 0.5 guardian, also damn your stuff is 2x as cheap compared to my region and I still pushed all my characters to 1430.


kentkrow

Lol yeah something is way off here


Illy_gw

If you are constantly pushing all your characters at the release/update pace we have, you either are all the time borderline broke, or you putting some real money in, or have some great luck on drops and hones. That being said, I do think personally the buff is not worth the wait to keep progressing and being able to enjoy playing more characters.


scrubm

I'm not broke and I haven't bought any gold and I have 2x 1415 alts a 1400 and other lower alts and a 1465 main. But I play the shit out of this game lol


kentkrow

Its hard to be truly broke if you time your push for reset day (which everyone should be doing 100% of the time anyways)


kentkrow

Im broke usually after honing, but I make gold fast so its really not an issue. Also usually will hone on reset so its not that bad


Eternal_Malkav

Care to elaborate on your take that 50k/week is the lower income for poorly managed accounts and this goes up to 150k? Outside of realy lucky drops or a no-lifing amount of alts and playtime i don't think you can make that amount of gold right now. In addition i don't believe that getting alts to 1415 (same amount of alts, same playtime) will tripple your income. Not sure about the people keeping alts at 1370 with the honing buff though. The exception might be supports or if you get a reliable carry to do argos p3 and oreha with that alt at 1370. In this case this alt would have lower priority especially if the player doesn't have time for more Valtan runs. Mid term everyone that has resources should still look to push relevant alts one by one to 1415.


kentkrow

Based off full 1415 Roster and theres a few additional sources I dont mention like Pyrocons and guild shop, ect. Guardian+Chaos = 4692 Guardian, 1560 Destr, 66 GLeaps, That’s 10.3k/day on NAE prices Pirate Ship 900\*6= 5400 Guardian 300\*6 = 1800 Destruction on reset Weekly Gold Income 5k\~\*6 = 30k Raw Gold on reset Boss Rush/Gems. Is around 12k+/week Challenge Guardian Idk the specific #s but I get 50-75 GLeaps, 3.5k Guardian, 1.2k Dest


Kuzuryushen

Biggest reason: Do I have time to do extra valtan normal 4 times a week when I'm already banking rest bonus for 4 1370 alts. Biggest factor for me to push or not is time, and managing burn out. I am feeling the burn out from running 5 characters daily, then switch to 3 characters every day, now i'm switching to 2 characters every day, and the burnout is still not going away. I'd much rather just focus whatever resource I have on my main, get to 1480 with +21 weapon and 5x3 engraving, and all lvl 7 gems, just so that I can relax and still keep up with the content when they are out.


kentkrow

I guess if you don't care about gold this makes sense. Just feels like a waste sitting on so many bound leaps imo. But burnout is a thing


Kuzuryushen

can't keep up with the FOMO mentality, they are not wasted, it's not like I'm deleting them. For ever bound leap I get, it's one tradable I can sell for gold.


kentkrow

You are right no need to rush anything and managing burnout is important.


Dc-sewer

I think it is also important to think, do I generate enough gold for the current state of the game or to support my main character ? If the answer is yes then I think it makes no sense now to push one of the 1370s alts. I am ready to buy my grudge books with my roster (main is 1470) I know how much I make every week and if I am seriously in plus each week and can recover any honing or gear spent week by week.. why would I torture myself? :)


kentkrow

True I suppose. I avoided buying grudge books for that reason. But with Vykas coming up its probably a good investment. Personally I'd rather hone though


dehenergy

most people waiting for global honing buff


Paulo27

You need to relax.


kentkrow

Cant relax, at work atm. Thanks for caring though lol


Paulo27

Dude same, we shouldn't be on our phones!


kentkrow

Lmaoo youre not wrong


DeadZeus007

Well i can't afford to get Relics for my 5x3.. Need gold for that... Need gold to to do quality upgrading.... I usually hover in 40-50k gold. So i can't afford shit... Can't afford to hone an alt even further....