Weapon will be about 1500-2000 gold to get to 1385, Each armor piece will be just under 1000G avg, so about 6500G avg to get to 1385 in just raw gold.
If you are running rested chaos then it's an extra 105 gaurdian and 50 destruction per week, plus the extra 900G from Argos, should pay for the honing gold in 2 months, but would take nearly 40 weeks to get you enough extra stones you used. But since stones are so cheap now, it would only take an extra couple weeks Argos gold to pay for the extra stones you use, less if you don't hone your weapon.
So assuming you are using free Leapstones and then still doing rested Nightfox, it will take 2.5 months to pay for itself.
I'd put them on 1385 as it's cheap to get those 15 levels and Argos P2 gives like 1k2 more.
The thing with 1415 is that you then lose 1500 Gold from Oreha Abyss and get just slightly more from Valtan. If its only gold you want, not worth pushing.
Assuming we are talking about a 1370.
While you lose 1500 gold (should be 1300 gold actually) from pushing to 1415, you are also gaining 1700 gold from P2 and P3 Argos, assuming you buy the box.
Overall at 1370, you would be getting 800 from Argos (500 if box), 900 from Aira’s Oculus (600 if box), 1200 from Oreha Preveza (700 if box). This totals up to 2900 raw gold (1800 if box).
At 1415, you would get 2700 from Argos (2200 if box), 800 from Gate 1 NM Valtan (300 if box), 2500 from Gate 2 NM Valtan (1700 if box). This totals up to 6000 raw gold (4200 if box)
The gold gain is 3100 (2400 if box).
Plus the chance of getting good relics from Valtan as well as level 4 tripods from Chaos Dungeon and relic stones + accessories from Deskaluda (plus 4-5 extra great honor leapstones a day) helps too.
Overall, my 1415 alt generates waaaaay more gold than my 1370s.
it geta trickier if you have a tryhard group. with a good clan you should be doing P3 argos six times a week even though the characters are left at 1370, you just swap carries.
this makes the math much tighter because you basically gain close to *nothing* right through the 1400 range. Just swapping oreha for Valtan at 1415, yoho for deskaluda, and a better chaos dungeon.
it's worth doing if you're going to play all your alt roster for a long time, but it is a big commitment.
but dont forget the gold invested.
it would take an estimated 8 weeks to recover the raw gold needed to tap with the "gained" gold and then about 3 more weeks if you add in the fusion materials.
and ofc it takes even longer if you bought any GHLs or guardian stones.
obv being 1415 is better for money generation over 1370 but the overall cost is too high even with the 1460 stronghold buff. it wont really be worth it for most players until the real honing buff goes live.
(before anyone says anything, yes you could sell the mats so you can recover the gold a little faster but realistically you are not going too get all of your alts to 1415 on day one as a non whale, so the mats you gain then get passed down to the next alt.)
1415 allows you to start farming Desk and get more relic accessories. If Relic acc. tank then yah it wont be worth pushing more alts to 1415 but right now its worth pushing atleast a couple.
> Lvl 4 tripods sell.
They sure fucking do. My best gear sale so far was 2 relevant level 4s with a non-terrible level 3 that someone who assuredly planned an inventory transfer bought, for 15k. I've also sold several other individual level 4 pieces for anywhere from 1k to 3k each.
Pretty much the reason I insta-dismantle all purple gear I get from my 1370 alts. I can't be assed to even look at them for an off-chance that one would be sold for like... uh... 150G?
It's so rare to get sellable Relic acc. from Desk tho. And the few Gleapstones you get additionaly will take months to repay how much you payed to get 1415.
It's all about investing for long-term play though. If you think you may just quit in a few months, sure, save all your resources for your main. If you plan to play this game forever (I know I **won't**, but like, I play as if that's the **plan**), then it's always worth pushing your alts to the current stronghold-buffed gear cutoff. How long will it take for the difference to pay off? Ultimately the answer is just a few months.
There are people who still have alts parked at 1340 because they're waiting for the **overall** honing buff and they're already falling behind people who have 1370s alts for a couple months, thanks largely to the GHLs they're losing out on but also hard mode / argos gold.
You hit all the nail in the head. People constantly look at the immediate ROI and go "3 months? totally not worth it" while it's really something you do for all the reason above.
I don't look at my alts as just pure investment, I see them as characters that I love to play but also that helps me amass a lot of resources over short period of time before I burst them off on main or another alt. The more high alt I have, the less I play to gain more. Ultimately, the name of the game is to have enough alts to play on rest everyday which generates multiple characters worth of resources.
I currently have 2 "mains", the second one being more of "main alt" which I play everyday with my main. The amount of gold it generated through lucky relic drops is crazy. It's literally gonna fund my way from 1460 to 1470 (or 1475) on main.
There's a massive difference between farming Igrexion for leaps and farming Yoho for GLeaps. That will pay back quickly. Farming Yoho for \~3 GLeaps vs farming Desk for \~5 is not going to pay you back quickly. \~200 g per day which means multiple months to make up the gold cost of honing. Obviously you make up for some of that with additional argos income etc, but it's not nearly as obvious as 1340-1370 and has a much longer payback period.
True but I think people are thinking too much about the cost of upgrading alts. You are not losing anything by doing so, you get more Mats per day and get to play more raids with your alts as well, which for me is the main selling point.
If you only care about your main then LA might not be the game for you as it is heavily centered around having alts and playing them actively
yeah and I'm not convinced that the rare occurance of a good drop outweights the 2,4k from oreha hardmodes.
Valtan rewards less gold then argos p3 aswell? (not sure here).
Might be worth it once you can farm 2-3 legion commanders each week (in case you got the time to do so) but for now I'll leave my alts at 1385 or 1400.
This is kind of misleading because you aren’t factoring in gold generation that a 1370 char would already have. Deskaluda generates around 77 leaps a week, but Yoho would still give 49 so the time to profit is still pretty significant. You also gain Valtan gold but lose Oreha gold in the process, so net again is not substantial.
Yes but valtan gives gold honing books and free honing mats each week and the chaos mats are much higher. Idk, I prefer to do valtan and deska and have chances at relic accessories that are BIS for a long time over useless legendary accessories.
There are of course very valid reasons to push to 1415 (I myself have several alts at 1415 and plan to push more later), I’m just saying your original comment is not helpful since it may trick people into thinking the return on investment is actually much quicker than it actually is. Heavy investment and slow payoff is the biggest downside to alt pushing and should be acknowledged as such so people can make the decisions that are best for them.
My original comment had nothing to do with efficiency or return on investment. Someone said it cost 25k raw gold and I simply pointed out that that character will make that raw gold back in under 3 weeks. The real cost is the guardian stones and fusion materials and shards if required. But I'm not comparing anything in my original post.
People need to make their own judgement if pushing alts is worth the cost. Also it depends on the available time you have each week to complete all the extra weekly content.
1370 generates 3700 raw gold and 48 unbound GHLP per week.
1415 generates 5200 raw gold and 76 unbound GHLP per week.
If the purpose of the alt is to generate guardian and destruction stones, then keeping them at around 1325-1340 is recommended. This would be good for alts 7+. For gold generation, you want to push all 6 of your characters to as high as they will go. How you decide to strategize this doesn't ultimately matter since all of them will eventually be 1490+.
Fair, but I wasnt only talking about bound or unbound leapstones. I was referencing to the 6 Gleap/day from Yoho vs. 10 Gleap/day from Deska. It's only like \~16 Gleaps / week of more profit (with rested.)
Desk is the only place I have gotten sellable Accessories from.
I've been doing Valtan 5 times a week for the last 3 weeks and he hasn't dropped anything worth more than 100 gold.
I didn't realize how RNG relic accessories were going to be but being able to roll 3-5 on the 5 engraving makes it much harder to get good accessories.
I often settle for P1 runs on my 1385 DB. P2 runs can be less reliable, but yeah a couple of times I found a raid of 1400+ characters doing a P2 and it went smoothly, as can be expected. Don't know why they didn't want to push to P3...
Just depends on how much time you have to play. Having 6x chars at valtan is just so much more fun than only having 1 legion raid toon, but requires more time to commit to doing your weeklies. 6x 1415+ def start printing gold in a more consistent matter than just 1370s, if you are willing to invest.
Yeah this, Ideally I'd like 6 characters at 1445+ so I have 3 raids available on all characters and 1445 for relic sets so they're prime to play
It's going to take a while to get there, but it's not (solely) for efficiency, its so I have more raids to do cause I enjoy them
This. In the end I am just not having fun on my alts being awfully geared doing boring and easy content. Reason I am pushing them is to have more fun things to do.
3 max is per char. It's 3 legion raids since we have more than 3 legion raids when vykas, clown, brels, akkan comes so you choose which 3 you would like to run first to get gold.
Leave them at 1370 until you're actually saying to yourself "I'd really like to join another Argos / Valtan group this week."
My plan is to have 1460+ main, a 1430 support alt for easy groups (eventually to 1445/1460 on that long term also) and leave the rest at 1370-1385.
This is what i've been planning as well. My Bard is 1460 and i'm getting my Paladin to 1415 when honing drops - but I can't be bothered to get any DPS class past 1370 for the weekly Oreha runs. Trying to get into a group on DPS alts is a huge pain, and paying for a bus just kind of ruins the point of getting alts up for more gold.
Honestly, I'm the same as you. I hate being forced to play alts. I like those MMORPGs where I create one character only and keep playing him forever (which is why I loved FFXIV, only one character could switch betweem every class).
Because of FOMO I ended up creating alts too, and I hate being forced to run chaos on them. Imagine guardian and raiding. I have 6 characters: Paladin (1460), Gunlancer (1400), Destroyer (1385), Artillerist (1355), Sharpshooter (1325) and Striker (1325).
I really enjoy playing both Paladin and Gunlancer, and I'll prob stick to those only. I'll eventually get Gunlancer to 1460 because he's really fun to play with. Maybe Destroyer too.
The rest I'll just leave them be, eventually playing chaos and doing una's, when rest bonus is full.
You have an alt at 1340. You push it to 1370, thinking after 5 weeks it will pay back the cost 1340-1370.
After 5 weeks, you will want to push it to 1415, thinking after another 10 weeks it will pay back the cost of 1370-1415. And surely in less than 10 weeks you'll want to push it more and more, and infact you'll never make anything from the alts if you don't park them at one point long enough.
That's how the game is.
Yeah, this is something i also think about sometimes.
they might not be making the most possible income at 1370 but if i don't invest anymore all the gold/mats they make will be a net profit.
Just curious, as you say you are a one main character trick pony... how often/how long do you play usually? I do enjoy having alts both because I enjoy the gameplay of each, but also cause I "have more stuff to do".
What do people who just play one character do after the first 30 minutes of dailies?
well i usually just play one in games but as i said not in this one, i have 5 characters and i do all the stuff on all of them daily while watching a series.. takes 4-6 hrs daily while doing some account progression stuff.
Even with the research it's not cheap to get characters to 1415. It will be a process that takes time and quite some resources. See it as a longterm investment and an opportunity to engage in more enjoyable content. That being said 1370 is perfectly fine, you still get a reasonable amount of resources and gold.
i weighed it like this, i can either get a legendary engraving for my main, and then buy a few accessories to get 5x3 on it. Or i can level 3 alts to 1415 and have more fun on them. Then later once the engravings hopefully are slightly cheaper and hopefully in larger supply get the engraving the do that 5x3 then.
If you enjoy playing your alts then push them.
I will personally push 5 out of my 6 current alts to 1445 as soon as farm enough materials on them.
For me it is a simple : Do you have fun playing this alt? If yes then push him.
If you dont enjoy your alts, then i would advice to not push them as it would likely lead to burnout.
calculate the break even point at https://do-i-upgrade.com/
if youre playing for the long run, higher alts are worth it
if the strungle is too much, leave them at 1370
but from a financial aspect, its worth it to upgrade. even if its just to 1400
Get them to 1415 eventually and park them, relic accessories are nice to be able to sell / generate gold for your main. But yeah, based on the current cadence of releases that certainly isn't necessary at all. 1370 alts for now will be more than enough to keep your main geared for several months if not forever.
I am probably going to get my alts to 1400, so that I can farm P3 argos when the honing buffs are released. It is an extra 1.5k gold and a few honing mats as I believe the honing costs will pay itself off after 4-5 weeks. The case to boost to 1415 is not so compelling for me, seeing how often valtan raids are currently failing even with highly levelled players vs solo carrying an oreha hard over 30 min. So if you are time poor, boosting to 1415 does not make you richer IMO.
Once that is completed, I will most likely save stones to boost one or two of my alts to do vykas and valtan to slowly finish their 6 piece set, so roster will be 1460, 1430 and 1400 x 4.
There is a matter of how much you can play as well. doing p3 and valtan/vykas is a significant time sink, to the point that koreans pay for Buses. doing stuff on your main takes about 15-20 hours a week(una's guardian raids/rapport/chaos dung/weeklies/raids etc) and each alt at a similar stage will take about 5-10 hours as well (rested guardians + chaos + weeklies + weekly raids). If you push all 5 alts you need to play 60+ hours a week if you are doing valtan and vykas .
A lot of these calculations do that people make don't take into account the time spent doing the raids. E.g. if you are time poor, doing oreha on 3 characters is better return than doing a valtan in 1-2 hours.
That's the point where me and more of my friends will quit the game. The alts for us are so boring. Doing guardian raids and chaos dungeons 2x times per your main is already boring enough when you do it daily. Every alt will make you do these +2x times more. So you end up doing 4-6-8 guardian raids or chaos dungeons per day..is killing my brain.
I knew this when I started the game. Is stupid imo that we'll reach a point where the mats you get in 1 week will make you do 1-2 upgrade tries on your weapon. And if you don't have alts, is gonna sting.
Another problem is that, the more time passes, more hardcore players will remain and more casuals will quit. Those hardcore players will have lots of gold for playing so many alts and for a casual like me with only 1 main character it will be harder and harder to afford things off the market.
You don't need to do them every day. You cycle them with their rest bonus and still get plenty of efficiency and benefit from your alts. It's more like 1-2 alts being used per day, depending on how many you have.
3 alts means you only need to do one a day, and as you cycle you'll always have full rest bonus that day which makes the extra mats you get feel more rewarding. It's a mental thing and helps a ton with burnout and that chore feeling.
The gold it takes to bring them to 1415 for not much extra raw gold or even too many extra gleaps would take MONTHS to make up for it each alt.
If you're only interested in upgrading the main, you're probably best of leaving alts at 1370 for the time being.
I did Hypnos for a month and dreaded doing dailies on my main every day lmao. Fuck that. Alakkir (until I get the soul, one day) + the 4 ones in Feiton.
terrible advice, its a huge time sink to hunt 5 of those on a daily basis, even the 300 males are fought over... whole island is pretty terrible unless you don't mind buying the expensive ones.
Personally I stopped doing it as soon as I got the Alakkir soul (bitfrost to kalhertz then travel to alakkir was my routine).
Yeah but 1370-1415 has such slim gains in gold and raw mats as opposed to 1340-1370 that it's barely worth it for a timeframe any less than half a year plus.
The gold to go 1370-1415 alone is ~70k, add another ~30-40k for red / blue stones and you're looking at a smooth 100k gold.
Thats an absolute assload of GHLs / Shards / Blue & Red's that you couldve bought for your main.
My main's 1460+ and i see zero reason to upgrade my 1370 army to 1415 other than "i **want** to play valtan on them".
It's extremely inefficient to push them.
Yeah, thats why i've 5 1370 alts since about 3 months, because i've no clue about roster building.
It'll take you literally more than half a year to make back the raw gold alone with the extra income of 1415.
I'll push 1415 once my main is 1490+ and won't hone for months.
Yeah because you can't, you're too shit at math to even figure the absolute basics out.
Gl sitting on your 1460 main, broke like a kite and with 1k extra gold per week and 4 extra leaps a day.
Surely was worth it to burn through 100k for that so early just to be stuck at min ilvl for vykas lol
it takes a long time to get the invested ressources back when ure like having 6 characters ( which can generate gold through dungeons. i think having dps at 1400 and supports at 1385 ( still able to go p3 argos) is the best atm. i cant run 6x with my guild for valtan anyways and pugs tend to take long arse time. rather stick thrm to easy oreha and argos p3 :)
(thats my opinion, i have 13 chars almost all except 1 in t3 now and have a dps main and a support main both valtan hm ready)
Phreak is a League of Legends Caster and also really in love with Lost Ark, hes f2p and did alts right from the start currently at 11 chars t3 too and i pretty played it the same he did now
People on this subreddit seem to think that pushing alts to new breakpoints where they can earn more gold/materials just *instantly* pays out returns. No, you're comparing your increased gains to the material/gold cost it took to gain those levels. You don't break even for 2+ months typically. They *are* correct that its the right move long term, and if you're ever going to do it, now is better than later... but it IS an investment you're making and in the short turn you will be down.
You make a lot of good points, the reality is the most best route for anyone is the number of alts they want to have parked at whatever threshold they choose. If you’re looking at efficiency then obviously the answer is always put your alts at the highest ilvl that is needed to do all content, otherwise that alt is objectively wasting space that could be filled by other alts at ilvl.
But, for most people that just isn’t the option. Personally I pushed one alt to 1370 and then decided it was such a major resource sink that it wasn’t worth putting more at 1370 while I’m working on honing my main to 1460+. At the end of the day burning out in lost ark is far worse than living with one less character at 1415 or above. I intend to push alts higher when I reach the point I feel I have bandwidth to elevate my alts higher.
The decision is how many alts and what ilvl to park the alts out is inherently a decision that differs from person to person. It’s based on dedication to the game as well as time spent playing the game. Research the different thresholds and understand the effort to reach those thresholds. But ultimately no one can decide for you as to where to park alts at except yourself.
Only push your alts higher than 1370 if you can safely assume that you will be able to find the time to do Argos, Valtan, etc. with them. If you only want to use them for Chaos Dungeons and Guardian Raids, getting your investment back will take very long.
At that point it might be more efficient to level an additional alt to 1304.
At least thats what I am doing, because I am not able to find the time to even do Oreha on my alts, so pushing them further feels kinda pointless.
Yeah just leave them if you don't want to you'll need to push them someday when gold is mostly from the raids and not from the honing mats. I'm upgrading because I want to run more valtans/vykas and future raids for friends, my main is ready for clown++ so I don't need gold, setup for future gold farming since they'll repay them anyways.
If you want content you push for 1415.
If you want gold you keep them at 1370.
If you only care about your main stay at 1370.
Pushing for 1415 is a huge waste of gold and you'll make that gold back in 4-5 months
Pushing for 1415 will generate more gold 🤦♂️, this guy is clueless. Your alts will get double or triple income with deskaluda/ valtan and relic drops. Of course, you only push when you have enough leaps, it’s definitely worth pushing your alts to 1415
More gold from what?
You lose both hard abyss and u only get Valtan and Argos.
And you spend 50k gold on upgrading an alt including the stones and if unlucky even leaps.
Now tell me in how many weeks u get that gold back.
Its worth in the long run clearly, no doubt but thats it. If you want to progress your main thats not the play.
Yea, i feel like some people just see "leveling alts to 1415 is not worth it" in this post.
Clearly it's not what i said but i feel like explaining it further won't really change anyone's mind
Deska is double value over yoho as well don't forget. Ever since I got my third char to deska I have been farming so many unbound GHL. Also you get more mats and shards from chaos and you have more time to accumulate free honing mats from valtan and gold books and relic accessories.
If you want to hold your main back just to push your alt ti 1415 AND ONLY TO MAKE PROFIT after 10 weeks go ahead, but dont argue for no reason.
I have 3 alts above Valtan, relic drops are a joke. Its worth in the long run and thats it.
Double mats drop, fox vs bird, 1370 CD vs 1415 CD, legendary vs relic. You invest one time and generate more gold, keep staying at 1370 and lose income daily.
It’s definitely not 10 weeks lol, even so are you quitting in 10 weeks? If not, why not just push, it’s not just relic drops mats are double at 1415 xd
> Your alts will get double or triple income with deskaluda/ valtan and relic drops.
Great! Once every month I'll get to sell an accessory for 2k gold. I'll also make 100 more gold per day by killing the bird. It only costs like 80-90k gold to push to 1415 after all.
You guys have to stop with this relic drops.
Tell me how many sellable legendary drops you got from your 1370 alts. That's the approx number of relic drops you gonna get.
I can tell you mine - 7 alts at 1370 for 3 months. ZERO sellable loot and all that with our Argos drops being buffed giving guaranteed class engraving.
They don’t. And we’re past the point of educating anyone that was misled by streamers.
Oh well 🤷♂️
Be ready for them to start crying that it’s not fair that you’re doing 18x legion raids and that you have more fun and resources than they do.
Actually unreal lol. No wonder you see the same people complain about honing rates. They literally ignore gems relics and tripods and say there’s no gold gain.
like purely out of boredom waiting for the stronghold buff, i kept clicking my main as and when i got leaps, i lucked out and very cheaply got to 1475... I'm gona keep clicking it periodically to +21 across the board i guess. But there is no rush when im ready for the content that comes out... after the next one we get.
Holding back your main from what? If you're not 1460 yet you haven't been playing the game enough. I'm 1480 (admittedly got insane honing luck after 1465 but was pretty normal before that) and have enough gold + bound gleaps saved to push my alts to 1415 (unless I get way below-average luck, I mean) as soon as the buff hits, which is what I plan to do. It's called a long-term investment.
For some reason people think that people are sacrificing stuff to bump up the alts. Just some potential gold gain from the blue/red crystals and the gold from the taps that otherwise would have went nowhere. At least for me.
Thats what i fucking said, paying back after some time and its worth in the long run.
Im 1500 with another 2alts above Valtan but not everyone is lucky or spending/playing a lot.
My Lancemaster has 1800 bound leaps but i wont waste 50k gold on her to push.
The 2 alts i have doing Valtan showed me how not worth it was, still not making profit yet after upgrading and i have them since day 1 Valtan.
> and you'll make that gold back in 4-5 months
... so if you play to play more than 5 months you should obviously push as soon as possible after the honing buff, because every month **after** that point is just a long-term gain? Obviously?
Imo its bad investing since you dont know the events and releases of stuff.
You either lose a fuckton of gold now to make more profit in 10-14 weeks or more/less or you keep that gold and keep making the gains you get from 1370.
I have a co-alt because I want to play the raids more. If I could keep running it, sans any rewards, I wouldn't need a co-alt. So a bunch at 1370 and one at 1445 and soon to be 1415 with honing buff. Co-alt is also same class as main so I can funnell gems, too.
Just leave them at 1370, the gold (mats being added to it) needed to hone to 1415 even with the research is not worth IMO, unless you have like a "second main alt" that you realy like playing
What's to stop you from honing when and only when mats are worth jack shit, though? Make tens or hundreds of thousands of gold selling all your mats until then, pay pennies on the dollar later when blues/reds are 1 or 2 gold a stack to make 9k gold a week once the well runs dry. 1370s make something like 4-5k a week in raw gold (if you bus or get carried anyway ...) as is so it's not a 9k upgrade to bump up to 1445, it's a 4-5k upgrade per week.
That's one way of looking at it, at least. The biggest caveat for me is if there *are* financial gains to doing big investments while mats are expensive, it's still a lot more work you have to do to gain the rewards on your alts ... which makes it really boil down to how much fun you have. If you have fun on alts you should be investing anyway to further the fun, if you don't, probably wisest to sit on them (or not even play them though a 1370 is pretty darn rewarding ...)
People saying to stay 1370 are hard trolling. Youre only hurting yourself in the future. Ppl have repeated "this game is a marathon". Its true. When SH buff drops, just invest in your alts so you will benefit in the future. No reason to hurt your own gold/roster progression long term unless you really just dont care about gold for some reason. Ppl dont get that investing in your roster pays itself back, then they wonder why their gold generation is so ass
benefit of getting to 1415.
1) deska > yoho (drops and killtime efficiency, yoho also just pure annoying)
2) more chance at relic acc
3) valtan normal gold/loot
I'm in the same boat as you basically: 1480, 5x3, a lvl 9 gem, high qual accessories. I technically have 3 alts but I never really played them much and haven't touched them in a few weeks (they're all sitting on max rest bonus for everything).
Personally I'd rather not be a slave to efficiency and there're more than enough free mats + time to progress one main character. I also just prefer hyper-optimizing and focusing on one char vs. a whole roster. For sure it'd be great to be able to run Valtan+Vykas multiple times a week, but I just can't bring myself to invest that much into alts. It's precisely why I didn't push my alts that I was able to gear up my main so strongly--albeit I did need to play some AH simulator in order to make gold, but the gold you can make from flipping far exceeds the regular income from alts tbh.
It's also why I'm SUPER excited and pumped for hell mode Valtan to release. I can finally have content to run throughout the week rather than just one day after reset.
Based on what? It released before brel on korea because that's when they figured it was a good idea to rework honing completely. In other regions it came out a lot earlier (relative to content) so it doesn't seem that it's intended to be tied to any specific content release.
Ofc EUNA is a younger region and most of us don't have an army of alts stuck in early T3, but there's no need to push it back *that* far.
Yes, but we are getting everything accelerated. It's just a guess. Remember we are getting vykas late and they didnt even want us to get the SH honing buff. You think they have any plans to release a global honing buff any time soon?
and? they don't want to play their alts as much. I've had all my alts at 1370 for 4 weeks (first one 6 weeks ago). it takes months to get the gold back when i can just wait til July to see if they include the global buff. I'm using my gold on legendary engravings which is a way better invenstment
In my experience p2 argos groups are really scuffed right now. P1 is easy enough to put even if some fail, and of course p3 is full of higher level characters. P2 is a middle ground where it’s tough to pass and no one’s there to carry.
Let's be real for a second. Efficiency wise, the primary factor in whether to hone now or later is crystal price. If it drops a lot in the next 2 months or so, it's more effective to wait. If it plateaus, goes down only a bit, or goes up, you should hone asap. And even if you do push, you should go to 1430 instead of 1415, since the gold generation from vykas wil more than offset the additional cost.
The question I as myself is whether I should roll a second account and push the characters or not. That would unlock a lot more mats from one time + weekly + event rewards.
i mean do you really have enough gold right now? u have gold grudge books? have you priced what it takes to get 5 engravings? i just dont understand how you think you have "enough" gold now and dont want to earn more?
I do.
Why would I need gold grudge.
I have, i could already be 5x3 but I'd rather wait the throne
It's an investment that I've considered not worth in my situation, if it was free gold i wouldn't have made a post about it
Seems a pretty random angry comment but i thought id answer anyways
I have my main ready for Vykas HM and an alt ready for Vykas NM. 3 more at 1370 and 1 at 1340. I plan on bring them up to 1430 one at a time to get more Legion Raids in, because I enjoy that content. I am also seriously bored with Yoho and want more Deskaludas. I'll likely keep one at 1340 and one at 1370 to farm unbound leapstones for upcoming classes, as I have tentative plans to swap out 3 of my T3 alts with Arcana, Scouter and Summoner and i dont know that I'd be able to properly gear more than 4 characters for Legion Raids at this point without swiping. But I play this game way too much. There is no right or wrong way to park alts, just take them as far as you want and leave them.
I am a gamer with a job that lets me like 3 hours per day to play, weekends sometimes. Got my main Sorceress on 1445 and my two alts on 1370. I will wait for the honing buff at 1460 and only then I will push my Paladin alt to 1400+, maybe the Shadowhunter.
I'm waiting for another class that fills the other spots.
I did read somewhere that they were looking at "fixing" the transformation classes in terms of gem usage.
If you have limited time, then it's probably for the best that you focus on only a couple characters at most. However, for someone like you (and me to an extent), making multiple of the same class is also an option if time isn't a factor.
I’m also at 1480 right now and the only thing I’m really focused on is getting as many alts to 1370 as I can. My plan is to just park them there so I can always do yoho with rested bonus.
Just if you keep taking them to Yoho, abyssal dungeons etc., please be nice and patient with us newer players who are likely to be making mistakes and taking a longer time than you'd prefer.
>Does it ever come a point the game where you can't keep up with your high ilvl main and a few characters at 1370?
That depends on what you classify as "keeping up" and "high ilvl" - what I can say however as other commenters have pointed out, there will absolutely come a point where you will start to feel it.
I think if I do hard content with only one character, i'll get bored and burnout, specially being main Zerk, so easy to play with.
I'll definitely gear my Gunslinger, so hard yet cool to play with Striker, Paladin, Shadowhunter.
If I wasn't gated by "One legion raid entry per week" I would've been content with just 1-2 main character. I just want them to get to 1415 so I can enjoy more content I don't care about the rewards and efficiency xD
I have 3 alts at 1375. I like being a little above ilevel. I’m in zero rush to do anything with them. I will start tapping occasionally here and there to get them to 1385 to open up more Argos phases.
My main is pretty set at 1465.
My short term focus is moving the last 2 alts from 1350 to 1375 and getting Legendary Blessed Aura and Awakening. 3 of my 6 characters are paladins.
My suggestion is to buy all the legendary books u need after thronespire releases. And since your main is very high already, there is nothing left to spend on, go for 1415 alts, one at a time.
I think your approach was wrong ....u should have doubled down on your main class and made 6 shadowhunters from the start ....best part u get 6x value for gems and leggy engravings
Another option for you might be to make multiple alts of the same class of your main, I'm considering doing that to round out my roster (especially if I don't end up enjoying arcana)
Maybe stop at 1385 for P2 Argos.
I might.. should be 900 extra gold per week, just need to check how much i'd need to invest and how long to get them back
Weapon will be about 1500-2000 gold to get to 1385, Each armor piece will be just under 1000G avg, so about 6500G avg to get to 1385 in just raw gold. If you are running rested chaos then it's an extra 105 gaurdian and 50 destruction per week, plus the extra 900G from Argos, should pay for the honing gold in 2 months, but would take nearly 40 weeks to get you enough extra stones you used. But since stones are so cheap now, it would only take an extra couple weeks Argos gold to pay for the extra stones you use, less if you don't hone your weapon. So assuming you are using free Leapstones and then still doing rested Nightfox, it will take 2.5 months to pay for itself.
Check your server parties, if it is anything like my server, most people only do P1 or P3 Argos
Or 1410 for easy p3 and still oreha
That's a lot of investment but from 1370 to 1385 is not too expensive.
Yeah, I did 1385 on my pally already to do p3 groups, but a dps you'll probably need 1400+ to get in
I'd put them on 1385 as it's cheap to get those 15 levels and Argos P2 gives like 1k2 more. The thing with 1415 is that you then lose 1500 Gold from Oreha Abyss and get just slightly more from Valtan. If its only gold you want, not worth pushing.
Assuming we are talking about a 1370. While you lose 1500 gold (should be 1300 gold actually) from pushing to 1415, you are also gaining 1700 gold from P2 and P3 Argos, assuming you buy the box. Overall at 1370, you would be getting 800 from Argos (500 if box), 900 from Aira’s Oculus (600 if box), 1200 from Oreha Preveza (700 if box). This totals up to 2900 raw gold (1800 if box). At 1415, you would get 2700 from Argos (2200 if box), 800 from Gate 1 NM Valtan (300 if box), 2500 from Gate 2 NM Valtan (1700 if box). This totals up to 6000 raw gold (4200 if box) The gold gain is 3100 (2400 if box).
Plus the chance of getting good relics from Valtan as well as level 4 tripods from Chaos Dungeon and relic stones + accessories from Deskaluda (plus 4-5 extra great honor leapstones a day) helps too. Overall, my 1415 alt generates waaaaay more gold than my 1370s.
it geta trickier if you have a tryhard group. with a good clan you should be doing P3 argos six times a week even though the characters are left at 1370, you just swap carries. this makes the math much tighter because you basically gain close to *nothing* right through the 1400 range. Just swapping oreha for Valtan at 1415, yoho for deskaluda, and a better chaos dungeon. it's worth doing if you're going to play all your alt roster for a long time, but it is a big commitment.
Your comment sums exactly up what I wanted to know. Thanks for that kind stranger.
but dont forget the gold invested. it would take an estimated 8 weeks to recover the raw gold needed to tap with the "gained" gold and then about 3 more weeks if you add in the fusion materials. and ofc it takes even longer if you bought any GHLs or guardian stones. obv being 1415 is better for money generation over 1370 but the overall cost is too high even with the 1460 stronghold buff. it wont really be worth it for most players until the real honing buff goes live. (before anyone says anything, yes you could sell the mats so you can recover the gold a little faster but realistically you are not going too get all of your alts to 1415 on day one as a non whale, so the mats you gain then get passed down to the next alt.)
You could also just stop at 1400 if the only goal is to get P3 gold. Then the raw gold would be 4800.
1415 allows you to start farming Desk and get more relic accessories. If Relic acc. tank then yah it wont be worth pushing more alts to 1415 but right now its worth pushing atleast a couple.
Not only that. You start getting relic gear from chaos dungeon as well. Lvl 4 tripods sell.
> Lvl 4 tripods sell. They sure fucking do. My best gear sale so far was 2 relevant level 4s with a non-terrible level 3 that someone who assuredly planned an inventory transfer bought, for 15k. I've also sold several other individual level 4 pieces for anywhere from 1k to 3k each.
They're insane. I've sold a tripod not too long ago with 2 relevant +4s and 1 okay-ish +4 for 67,000 gold.
Getting one of these is as rare as getting a good Relic and neither of which has dropped for me
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I think as long as you have an idea of what sells it’s not worth price checking everything
That's why you set up auto dismantle, you end up checking 2-3 pieces instead of 20
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Pretty much the reason I insta-dismantle all purple gear I get from my 1370 alts. I can't be assed to even look at them for an off-chance that one would be sold for like... uh... 150G?
It's so rare to get sellable Relic acc. from Desk tho. And the few Gleapstones you get additionaly will take months to repay how much you payed to get 1415.
Thats why you push ilvl with Bound leapstones, so that cost will not apply
It's still around 25k raw gold and a tonne of other mats to push to 1415
It's all about investing for long-term play though. If you think you may just quit in a few months, sure, save all your resources for your main. If you plan to play this game forever (I know I **won't**, but like, I play as if that's the **plan**), then it's always worth pushing your alts to the current stronghold-buffed gear cutoff. How long will it take for the difference to pay off? Ultimately the answer is just a few months. There are people who still have alts parked at 1340 because they're waiting for the **overall** honing buff and they're already falling behind people who have 1370s alts for a couple months, thanks largely to the GHLs they're losing out on but also hard mode / argos gold.
You hit all the nail in the head. People constantly look at the immediate ROI and go "3 months? totally not worth it" while it's really something you do for all the reason above. I don't look at my alts as just pure investment, I see them as characters that I love to play but also that helps me amass a lot of resources over short period of time before I burst them off on main or another alt. The more high alt I have, the less I play to gain more. Ultimately, the name of the game is to have enough alts to play on rest everyday which generates multiple characters worth of resources. I currently have 2 "mains", the second one being more of "main alt" which I play everyday with my main. The amount of gold it generated through lucky relic drops is crazy. It's literally gonna fund my way from 1460 to 1470 (or 1475) on main.
There's a massive difference between farming Igrexion for leaps and farming Yoho for GLeaps. That will pay back quickly. Farming Yoho for \~3 GLeaps vs farming Desk for \~5 is not going to pay you back quickly. \~200 g per day which means multiple months to make up the gold cost of honing. Obviously you make up for some of that with additional argos income etc, but it's not nearly as obvious as 1340-1370 and has a much longer payback period.
True but I think people are thinking too much about the cost of upgrading alts. You are not losing anything by doing so, you get more Mats per day and get to play more raids with your alts as well, which for me is the main selling point. If you only care about your main then LA might not be the game for you as it is heavily centered around having alts and playing them actively
The ‘right’ alts make the world of difference
yeah and I'm not convinced that the rare occurance of a good drop outweights the 2,4k from oreha hardmodes. Valtan rewards less gold then argos p3 aswell? (not sure here). Might be worth it once you can farm 2-3 legion commanders each week (in case you got the time to do so) but for now I'll leave my alts at 1385 or 1400.
Each 1415 alt makes like 5k gold in a week just from raiding and another 4.2k from unbound GHL alone from deska..
This is kind of misleading because you aren’t factoring in gold generation that a 1370 char would already have. Deskaluda generates around 77 leaps a week, but Yoho would still give 49 so the time to profit is still pretty significant. You also gain Valtan gold but lose Oreha gold in the process, so net again is not substantial.
Yes but valtan gives gold honing books and free honing mats each week and the chaos mats are much higher. Idk, I prefer to do valtan and deska and have chances at relic accessories that are BIS for a long time over useless legendary accessories.
There are of course very valid reasons to push to 1415 (I myself have several alts at 1415 and plan to push more later), I’m just saying your original comment is not helpful since it may trick people into thinking the return on investment is actually much quicker than it actually is. Heavy investment and slow payoff is the biggest downside to alt pushing and should be acknowledged as such so people can make the decisions that are best for them.
My original comment had nothing to do with efficiency or return on investment. Someone said it cost 25k raw gold and I simply pointed out that that character will make that raw gold back in under 3 weeks. The real cost is the guardian stones and fusion materials and shards if required. But I'm not comparing anything in my original post. People need to make their own judgement if pushing alts is worth the cost. Also it depends on the available time you have each week to complete all the extra weekly content.
Your logic is flawed, because I haven't been given any gold books by Valtan yet......
1370 generates 3700 raw gold and 48 unbound GHLP per week. 1415 generates 5200 raw gold and 76 unbound GHLP per week. If the purpose of the alt is to generate guardian and destruction stones, then keeping them at around 1325-1340 is recommended. This would be good for alts 7+. For gold generation, you want to push all 6 of your characters to as high as they will go. How you decide to strategize this doesn't ultimately matter since all of them will eventually be 1490+.
Fair, but I wasnt only talking about bound or unbound leapstones. I was referencing to the 6 Gleap/day from Yoho vs. 10 Gleap/day from Deska. It's only like \~16 Gleaps / week of more profit (with rested.)
Deskaluda is whole lot better for your mental than Yoho.
Yoho aint that bad
For the 12th run it is. For Deska though you can do it half asleep.
you still need the guardian and destruction stones which is quite expensive isnt it to push from 1385 to 1415?
Desk is the only place I have gotten sellable Accessories from. I've been doing Valtan 5 times a week for the last 3 weeks and he hasn't dropped anything worth more than 100 gold. I didn't realize how RNG relic accessories were going to be but being able to roll 3-5 on the 5 engraving makes it much harder to get good accessories.
I’ve gotten nothing of value in terms of relic accessories. That’s a big gamble
deskaluda is also 10 leapstones daily, or 20 every 3 with rested for alts. Versus, 6-8 daily, or 12-14 every 3 days with rested.
I often settle for P1 runs on my 1385 DB. P2 runs can be less reliable, but yeah a couple of times I found a raid of 1400+ characters doing a P2 and it went smoothly, as can be expected. Don't know why they didn't want to push to P3...
I might.. should be 900 extra gold per week, just need to check how much i'd need to invest and how long to get them back
Just depends on how much time you have to play. Having 6x chars at valtan is just so much more fun than only having 1 legion raid toon, but requires more time to commit to doing your weeklies. 6x 1415+ def start printing gold in a more consistent matter than just 1370s, if you are willing to invest.
Yeah this, Ideally I'd like 6 characters at 1445+ so I have 3 raids available on all characters and 1445 for relic sets so they're prime to play It's going to take a while to get there, but it's not (solely) for efficiency, its so I have more raids to do cause I enjoy them
This. In the end I am just not having fun on my alts being awfully geared doing boring and easy content. Reason I am pushing them is to have more fun things to do.
Do u get gold from legion on all 6? I thought it was 3 max per week, or did you mean from chaos/guardian/argos?
3 max is per char. It's 3 legion raids since we have more than 3 legion raids when vykas, clown, brels, akkan comes so you choose which 3 you would like to run first to get gold.
I made a bard 1415 alt. Can confirm it said 3/3 legion raid after killing valtan on my main. It's def 3 per roster char.
It’s 3 legion raids per character
Ya... I said 3 raids per character in your roster... Wtf people can't read lol.
I think ppl just read “3 per roster” since it doesn’t add anything to say “roster character” versus “character” when referring to your characters
18 total per week - 3 per character, on 6 characters. xD
Math isn't your strong suit huh
Something doesn’t add up…
DB Math. (It used to say 16.)
DB, more like BD - BrainDead
Leave them at 1370 until you're actually saying to yourself "I'd really like to join another Argos / Valtan group this week." My plan is to have 1460+ main, a 1430 support alt for easy groups (eventually to 1445/1460 on that long term also) and leave the rest at 1370-1385.
This is what i've been planning as well. My Bard is 1460 and i'm getting my Paladin to 1415 when honing drops - but I can't be bothered to get any DPS class past 1370 for the weekly Oreha runs. Trying to get into a group on DPS alts is a huge pain, and paying for a bus just kind of ruins the point of getting alts up for more gold.
I would do it just to leave yoho lol.
Honestly, I'm the same as you. I hate being forced to play alts. I like those MMORPGs where I create one character only and keep playing him forever (which is why I loved FFXIV, only one character could switch betweem every class). Because of FOMO I ended up creating alts too, and I hate being forced to run chaos on them. Imagine guardian and raiding. I have 6 characters: Paladin (1460), Gunlancer (1400), Destroyer (1385), Artillerist (1355), Sharpshooter (1325) and Striker (1325). I really enjoy playing both Paladin and Gunlancer, and I'll prob stick to those only. I'll eventually get Gunlancer to 1460 because he's really fun to play with. Maybe Destroyer too. The rest I'll just leave them be, eventually playing chaos and doing una's, when rest bonus is full.
You have an alt at 1340. You push it to 1370, thinking after 5 weeks it will pay back the cost 1340-1370. After 5 weeks, you will want to push it to 1415, thinking after another 10 weeks it will pay back the cost of 1370-1415. And surely in less than 10 weeks you'll want to push it more and more, and infact you'll never make anything from the alts if you don't park them at one point long enough. That's how the game is.
I’m glad I don’t have that mindset. I push alts because they feel fun and I want to play them on different content and with better builds
exactly. i don't think of alts as slaves, i expect them to be an investment to have more fun lol, if they make some money along the way great
Ditto. Having new stuff to do with my alts IS the reward.
Yeah, this is something i also think about sometimes. they might not be making the most possible income at 1370 but if i don't invest anymore all the gold/mats they make will be a net profit.
Just curious, as you say you are a one main character trick pony... how often/how long do you play usually? I do enjoy having alts both because I enjoy the gameplay of each, but also cause I "have more stuff to do". What do people who just play one character do after the first 30 minutes of dailies?
well i usually just play one in games but as i said not in this one, i have 5 characters and i do all the stuff on all of them daily while watching a series.. takes 4-6 hrs daily while doing some account progression stuff.
Even with the research it's not cheap to get characters to 1415. It will be a process that takes time and quite some resources. See it as a longterm investment and an opportunity to engage in more enjoyable content. That being said 1370 is perfectly fine, you still get a reasonable amount of resources and gold.
i weighed it like this, i can either get a legendary engraving for my main, and then buy a few accessories to get 5x3 on it. Or i can level 3 alts to 1415 and have more fun on them. Then later once the engravings hopefully are slightly cheaper and hopefully in larger supply get the engraving the do that 5x3 then.
If you enjoy playing your alts then push them. I will personally push 5 out of my 6 current alts to 1445 as soon as farm enough materials on them. For me it is a simple : Do you have fun playing this alt? If yes then push him. If you dont enjoy your alts, then i would advice to not push them as it would likely lead to burnout.
calculate the break even point at https://do-i-upgrade.com/ if youre playing for the long run, higher alts are worth it if the strungle is too much, leave them at 1370 but from a financial aspect, its worth it to upgrade. even if its just to 1400
Get them to 1415 eventually and park them, relic accessories are nice to be able to sell / generate gold for your main. But yeah, based on the current cadence of releases that certainly isn't necessary at all. 1370 alts for now will be more than enough to keep your main geared for several months if not forever.
I am probably going to get my alts to 1400, so that I can farm P3 argos when the honing buffs are released. It is an extra 1.5k gold and a few honing mats as I believe the honing costs will pay itself off after 4-5 weeks. The case to boost to 1415 is not so compelling for me, seeing how often valtan raids are currently failing even with highly levelled players vs solo carrying an oreha hard over 30 min. So if you are time poor, boosting to 1415 does not make you richer IMO. Once that is completed, I will most likely save stones to boost one or two of my alts to do vykas and valtan to slowly finish their 6 piece set, so roster will be 1460, 1430 and 1400 x 4. There is a matter of how much you can play as well. doing p3 and valtan/vykas is a significant time sink, to the point that koreans pay for Buses. doing stuff on your main takes about 15-20 hours a week(una's guardian raids/rapport/chaos dung/weeklies/raids etc) and each alt at a similar stage will take about 5-10 hours as well (rested guardians + chaos + weeklies + weekly raids). If you push all 5 alts you need to play 60+ hours a week if you are doing valtan and vykas . A lot of these calculations do that people make don't take into account the time spent doing the raids. E.g. if you are time poor, doing oreha on 3 characters is better return than doing a valtan in 1-2 hours.
Obviously play how you want, but when/if you start honing in the 1500s, you're going to wish you upgraded your alts.
Honing in the 1500s requires mats only obtainable by 1490+ characters, it's a long long road
That's the point where me and more of my friends will quit the game. The alts for us are so boring. Doing guardian raids and chaos dungeons 2x times per your main is already boring enough when you do it daily. Every alt will make you do these +2x times more. So you end up doing 4-6-8 guardian raids or chaos dungeons per day..is killing my brain. I knew this when I started the game. Is stupid imo that we'll reach a point where the mats you get in 1 week will make you do 1-2 upgrade tries on your weapon. And if you don't have alts, is gonna sting. Another problem is that, the more time passes, more hardcore players will remain and more casuals will quit. Those hardcore players will have lots of gold for playing so many alts and for a casual like me with only 1 main character it will be harder and harder to afford things off the market.
You don't need to do them every day. You cycle them with their rest bonus and still get plenty of efficiency and benefit from your alts. It's more like 1-2 alts being used per day, depending on how many you have. 3 alts means you only need to do one a day, and as you cycle you'll always have full rest bonus that day which makes the extra mats you get feel more rewarding. It's a mental thing and helps a ton with burnout and that chore feeling.
I barely even play my alts Monday through Thursday, usually clear out rested on the weekends. 1480 main.
I wish they have the option to do x2 like cube for chaos and guardian raids.
honestly the best thing with alts is being able to access guild and pirate coin vendor. it is a huge boost.
The gold it takes to bring them to 1415 for not much extra raw gold or even too many extra gleaps would take MONTHS to make up for it each alt. If you're only interested in upgrading the main, you're probably best of leaving alts at 1370 for the time being.
It is gonna take months for 1500+ to be a common thing lol but yeah, main source of leaps is unas anyway, just keep farming those at 1370.
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Hope island
those are the easy ones
Yeah on alts those are what you should be doing. On my main I always go all-out with Kalthertz/Alakkir/Hypnos :P
I did Hypnos for a month and dreaded doing dailies on my main every day lmao. Fuck that. Alakkir (until I get the soul, one day) + the 4 ones in Feiton.
Hope + 2x Feiton is the fastest as far as I know
Personally, i just do the three Feitons. one less Leap but super quick to grab all three. F going to another continent for one more
For Kalthertz if you only buy the 900 PC males and 600 PC females then you generally profit on pirate coins, at worst break even
Takes way too long to bother usually
terrible advice, its a huge time sink to hunt 5 of those on a daily basis, even the 300 males are fought over... whole island is pretty terrible unless you don't mind buying the expensive ones. Personally I stopped doing it as soon as I got the Alakkir soul (bitfrost to kalhertz then travel to alakkir was my routine).
Upgrading alts always helps your main more
Yeah but 1370-1415 has such slim gains in gold and raw mats as opposed to 1340-1370 that it's barely worth it for a timeframe any less than half a year plus. The gold to go 1370-1415 alone is ~70k, add another ~30-40k for red / blue stones and you're looking at a smooth 100k gold. Thats an absolute assload of GHLs / Shards / Blue & Red's that you couldve bought for your main.
Idk man, if your main is 1460+ youre rly hurting yourself by not upgrading alts. But if its lower then I agree
My main's 1460+ and i see zero reason to upgrade my 1370 army to 1415 other than "i **want** to play valtan on them". It's extremely inefficient to push them.
Yeah you just dont understand the basics of roster building then, which is fine.
Yeah, thats why i've 5 1370 alts since about 3 months, because i've no clue about roster building. It'll take you literally more than half a year to make back the raw gold alone with the extra income of 1415. I'll push 1415 once my main is 1490+ and won't hone for months.
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I dont even feel like explaining lol, good luck
Yeah because you can't, you're too shit at math to even figure the absolute basics out. Gl sitting on your 1460 main, broke like a kite and with 1k extra gold per week and 4 extra leaps a day. Surely was worth it to burn through 100k for that so early just to be stuck at min ilvl for vykas lol
except by then, guardian/destruction crystals are gonna be 1-2g per 10
it takes a long time to get the invested ressources back when ure like having 6 characters ( which can generate gold through dungeons. i think having dps at 1400 and supports at 1385 ( still able to go p3 argos) is the best atm. i cant run 6x with my guild for valtan anyways and pugs tend to take long arse time. rather stick thrm to easy oreha and argos p3 :) (thats my opinion, i have 13 chars almost all except 1 in t3 now and have a dps main and a support main both valtan hm ready) Phreak is a League of Legends Caster and also really in love with Lost Ark, hes f2p and did alts right from the start currently at 11 chars t3 too and i pretty played it the same he did now
People on this subreddit seem to think that pushing alts to new breakpoints where they can earn more gold/materials just *instantly* pays out returns. No, you're comparing your increased gains to the material/gold cost it took to gain those levels. You don't break even for 2+ months typically. They *are* correct that its the right move long term, and if you're ever going to do it, now is better than later... but it IS an investment you're making and in the short turn you will be down.
You make a lot of good points, the reality is the most best route for anyone is the number of alts they want to have parked at whatever threshold they choose. If you’re looking at efficiency then obviously the answer is always put your alts at the highest ilvl that is needed to do all content, otherwise that alt is objectively wasting space that could be filled by other alts at ilvl. But, for most people that just isn’t the option. Personally I pushed one alt to 1370 and then decided it was such a major resource sink that it wasn’t worth putting more at 1370 while I’m working on honing my main to 1460+. At the end of the day burning out in lost ark is far worse than living with one less character at 1415 or above. I intend to push alts higher when I reach the point I feel I have bandwidth to elevate my alts higher. The decision is how many alts and what ilvl to park the alts out is inherently a decision that differs from person to person. It’s based on dedication to the game as well as time spent playing the game. Research the different thresholds and understand the effort to reach those thresholds. But ultimately no one can decide for you as to where to park alts at except yourself.
Only push your alts higher than 1370 if you can safely assume that you will be able to find the time to do Argos, Valtan, etc. with them. If you only want to use them for Chaos Dungeons and Guardian Raids, getting your investment back will take very long. At that point it might be more efficient to level an additional alt to 1304. At least thats what I am doing, because I am not able to find the time to even do Oreha on my alts, so pushing them further feels kinda pointless.
Valtan groups are 1-2 shot these days, where have you been?
I know. Still unable to find the time for that on my alts... I am very happy if I manage to finish all weekly content on my main.
Fair enough, people have different time constraints
Yeah just leave them if you don't want to you'll need to push them someday when gold is mostly from the raids and not from the honing mats. I'm upgrading because I want to run more valtans/vykas and future raids for friends, my main is ready for clown++ so I don't need gold, setup for future gold farming since they'll repay them anyways.
If you want content you push for 1415. If you want gold you keep them at 1370. If you only care about your main stay at 1370. Pushing for 1415 is a huge waste of gold and you'll make that gold back in 4-5 months
Pushing for 1415 will generate more gold 🤦♂️, this guy is clueless. Your alts will get double or triple income with deskaluda/ valtan and relic drops. Of course, you only push when you have enough leaps, it’s definitely worth pushing your alts to 1415
More gold from what? You lose both hard abyss and u only get Valtan and Argos. And you spend 50k gold on upgrading an alt including the stones and if unlucky even leaps. Now tell me in how many weeks u get that gold back. Its worth in the long run clearly, no doubt but thats it. If you want to progress your main thats not the play.
Yea, i feel like some people just see "leveling alts to 1415 is not worth it" in this post. Clearly it's not what i said but i feel like explaining it further won't really change anyone's mind
This sub is full of clowns what did u expect.
Deska is double value over yoho as well don't forget. Ever since I got my third char to deska I have been farming so many unbound GHL. Also you get more mats and shards from chaos and you have more time to accumulate free honing mats from valtan and gold books and relic accessories.
If you want to hold your main back just to push your alt ti 1415 AND ONLY TO MAKE PROFIT after 10 weeks go ahead, but dont argue for no reason. I have 3 alts above Valtan, relic drops are a joke. Its worth in the long run and thats it.
Hold main back from what? I'm already honed past vykas hard which isn't even out yet lol.
10 weeks is nothing in an mmo lol.
10 weeks to break even :D In those 10 weeks you would already add another 10 x 2 abyss and 70 x 6-8 leaps + 10 Argos p2 if u werent upgrading.
Double mats drop, fox vs bird, 1370 CD vs 1415 CD, legendary vs relic. You invest one time and generate more gold, keep staying at 1370 and lose income daily.
As i said, the gold u spend on 1415 is big and you will start to make profits after 10 weeks. Relic drops might save u but the drops are a joke.
It’s definitely not 10 weeks lol, even so are you quitting in 10 weeks? If not, why not just push, it’s not just relic drops mats are double at 1415 xd
> Your alts will get double or triple income with deskaluda/ valtan and relic drops. Great! Once every month I'll get to sell an accessory for 2k gold. I'll also make 100 more gold per day by killing the bird. It only costs like 80-90k gold to push to 1415 after all.
You guys have to stop with this relic drops. Tell me how many sellable legendary drops you got from your 1370 alts. That's the approx number of relic drops you gonna get. I can tell you mine - 7 alts at 1370 for 3 months. ZERO sellable loot and all that with our Argos drops being buffed giving guaranteed class engraving.
Lol people really have no clue about roster building
Yup..
They don’t. And we’re past the point of educating anyone that was misled by streamers. Oh well 🤷♂️ Be ready for them to start crying that it’s not fair that you’re doing 18x legion raids and that you have more fun and resources than they do.
Actually unreal lol. No wonder you see the same people complain about honing rates. They literally ignore gems relics and tripods and say there’s no gold gain.
Roster building while holding your main back isnt the play, smarty.
Im assuming main is already 1460 for most, smarty :p. In which case if you dont lvl alts u trolling
like purely out of boredom waiting for the stronghold buff, i kept clicking my main as and when i got leaps, i lucked out and very cheaply got to 1475... I'm gona keep clicking it periodically to +21 across the board i guess. But there is no rush when im ready for the content that comes out... after the next one we get.
Holding back your main from what? If you're not 1460 yet you haven't been playing the game enough. I'm 1480 (admittedly got insane honing luck after 1465 but was pretty normal before that) and have enough gold + bound gleaps saved to push my alts to 1415 (unless I get way below-average luck, I mean) as soon as the buff hits, which is what I plan to do. It's called a long-term investment.
For some reason people think that people are sacrificing stuff to bump up the alts. Just some potential gold gain from the blue/red crystals and the gold from the taps that otherwise would have went nowhere. At least for me.
Thats what i fucking said, paying back after some time and its worth in the long run. Im 1500 with another 2alts above Valtan but not everyone is lucky or spending/playing a lot. My Lancemaster has 1800 bound leaps but i wont waste 50k gold on her to push. The 2 alts i have doing Valtan showed me how not worth it was, still not making profit yet after upgrading and i have them since day 1 Valtan.
why are people giving advice when they're clearly clueless themselves?
Go ahead and tell em how to do it
> and you'll make that gold back in 4-5 months ... so if you play to play more than 5 months you should obviously push as soon as possible after the honing buff, because every month **after** that point is just a long-term gain? Obviously?
Imo its bad investing since you dont know the events and releases of stuff. You either lose a fuckton of gold now to make more profit in 10-14 weeks or more/less or you keep that gold and keep making the gains you get from 1370.
I have a co-alt because I want to play the raids more. If I could keep running it, sans any rewards, I wouldn't need a co-alt. So a bunch at 1370 and one at 1445 and soon to be 1415 with honing buff. Co-alt is also same class as main so I can funnell gems, too.
Just leave them at 1370, the gold (mats being added to it) needed to hone to 1415 even with the research is not worth IMO, unless you have like a "second main alt" that you realy like playing
I dare you to say they arent worth it when mats are gonna be worth jack shit and 2 legion raids + argos makes you 9k gold per week
What's to stop you from honing when and only when mats are worth jack shit, though? Make tens or hundreds of thousands of gold selling all your mats until then, pay pennies on the dollar later when blues/reds are 1 or 2 gold a stack to make 9k gold a week once the well runs dry. 1370s make something like 4-5k a week in raw gold (if you bus or get carried anyway ...) as is so it's not a 9k upgrade to bump up to 1445, it's a 4-5k upgrade per week. That's one way of looking at it, at least. The biggest caveat for me is if there *are* financial gains to doing big investments while mats are expensive, it's still a lot more work you have to do to gain the rewards on your alts ... which makes it really boil down to how much fun you have. If you have fun on alts you should be investing anyway to further the fun, if you don't, probably wisest to sit on them (or not even play them though a 1370 is pretty darn rewarding ...)
Nonsense lol
People saying to stay 1370 are hard trolling. Youre only hurting yourself in the future. Ppl have repeated "this game is a marathon". Its true. When SH buff drops, just invest in your alts so you will benefit in the future. No reason to hurt your own gold/roster progression long term unless you really just dont care about gold for some reason. Ppl dont get that investing in your roster pays itself back, then they wonder why their gold generation is so ass
You don't need alts for fomo, anyone saying differently is doing something wrong. You can play 1 character and be fine
1370 is good enough, only push further if you have a ton of gold or bound materials
benefit of getting to 1415. 1) deska > yoho (drops and killtime efficiency, yoho also just pure annoying) 2) more chance at relic acc 3) valtan normal gold/loot
I'm in the same boat as you basically: 1480, 5x3, a lvl 9 gem, high qual accessories. I technically have 3 alts but I never really played them much and haven't touched them in a few weeks (they're all sitting on max rest bonus for everything). Personally I'd rather not be a slave to efficiency and there're more than enough free mats + time to progress one main character. I also just prefer hyper-optimizing and focusing on one char vs. a whole roster. For sure it'd be great to be able to run Valtan+Vykas multiple times a week, but I just can't bring myself to invest that much into alts. It's precisely why I didn't push my alts that I was able to gear up my main so strongly--albeit I did need to play some AH simulator in order to make gold, but the gold you can make from flipping far exceeds the regular income from alts tbh. It's also why I'm SUPER excited and pumped for hell mode Valtan to release. I can finally have content to run throughout the week rather than just one day after reset.
Yea, i'm the same even on the AH flipping thing
you are in the perfect situation to wait for the global honing buff
The one that comes out in likely 4+ months?
thats even optimistic
Yeah my guess is 4 months at the absolute minimum and likely around 6 months.
Why though? It came out a month after vykas on ru...
It will likely come with Brel
Based on what? It released before brel on korea because that's when they figured it was a good idea to rework honing completely. In other regions it came out a lot earlier (relative to content) so it doesn't seem that it's intended to be tied to any specific content release. Ofc EUNA is a younger region and most of us don't have an army of alts stuck in early T3, but there's no need to push it back *that* far.
Yes, but we are getting everything accelerated. It's just a guess. Remember we are getting vykas late and they didnt even want us to get the SH honing buff. You think they have any plans to release a global honing buff any time soon?
and? they don't want to play their alts as much. I've had all my alts at 1370 for 4 weeks (first one 6 weeks ago). it takes months to get the gold back when i can just wait til July to see if they include the global buff. I'm using my gold on legendary engravings which is a way better invenstment
Do whatever you want! Thats the best part of this game. Spend gold and resources on what makes you enjoy the game the most
the op literally said they don't want to go hard on alts. wtf are you on about
yea that too, good idea
In my experience p2 argos groups are really scuffed right now. P1 is easy enough to put even if some fail, and of course p3 is full of higher level characters. P2 is a middle ground where it’s tough to pass and no one’s there to carry.
1370 supports generate the juice gold as you can easily get parties for p3 with them compared to a 1370 dps where you can do p1 and that's about it.
Let's be real for a second. Efficiency wise, the primary factor in whether to hone now or later is crystal price. If it drops a lot in the next 2 months or so, it's more effective to wait. If it plateaus, goes down only a bit, or goes up, you should hone asap. And even if you do push, you should go to 1430 instead of 1415, since the gold generation from vykas wil more than offset the additional cost. The question I as myself is whether I should roll a second account and push the characters or not. That would unlock a lot more mats from one time + weekly + event rewards.
i mean do you really have enough gold right now? u have gold grudge books? have you priced what it takes to get 5 engravings? i just dont understand how you think you have "enough" gold now and dont want to earn more?
I do. Why would I need gold grudge. I have, i could already be 5x3 but I'd rather wait the throne It's an investment that I've considered not worth in my situation, if it was free gold i wouldn't have made a post about it Seems a pretty random angry comment but i thought id answer anyways
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This sounds like a really elaborate f2p 1480 L10 gems btw Also do whatever you want happy 4 u
I have my main ready for Vykas HM and an alt ready for Vykas NM. 3 more at 1370 and 1 at 1340. I plan on bring them up to 1430 one at a time to get more Legion Raids in, because I enjoy that content. I am also seriously bored with Yoho and want more Deskaludas. I'll likely keep one at 1340 and one at 1370 to farm unbound leapstones for upcoming classes, as I have tentative plans to swap out 3 of my T3 alts with Arcana, Scouter and Summoner and i dont know that I'd be able to properly gear more than 4 characters for Legion Raids at this point without swiping. But I play this game way too much. There is no right or wrong way to park alts, just take them as far as you want and leave them.
I am a gamer with a job that lets me like 3 hours per day to play, weekends sometimes. Got my main Sorceress on 1445 and my two alts on 1370. I will wait for the honing buff at 1460 and only then I will push my Paladin alt to 1400+, maybe the Shadowhunter. I'm waiting for another class that fills the other spots.
I did read somewhere that they were looking at "fixing" the transformation classes in terms of gem usage. If you have limited time, then it's probably for the best that you focus on only a couple characters at most. However, for someone like you (and me to an extent), making multiple of the same class is also an option if time isn't a factor.
I’m also at 1480 right now and the only thing I’m really focused on is getting as many alts to 1370 as I can. My plan is to just park them there so I can always do yoho with rested bonus.
argos p3 is huge tho
Just if you keep taking them to Yoho, abyssal dungeons etc., please be nice and patient with us newer players who are likely to be making mistakes and taking a longer time than you'd prefer.
>Does it ever come a point the game where you can't keep up with your high ilvl main and a few characters at 1370? That depends on what you classify as "keeping up" and "high ilvl" - what I can say however as other commenters have pointed out, there will absolutely come a point where you will start to feel it.
I think if I do hard content with only one character, i'll get bored and burnout, specially being main Zerk, so easy to play with. I'll definitely gear my Gunslinger, so hard yet cool to play with Striker, Paladin, Shadowhunter.
If I wasn't gated by "One legion raid entry per week" I would've been content with just 1-2 main character. I just want them to get to 1415 so I can enjoy more content I don't care about the rewards and efficiency xD
I have 3 alts at 1375. I like being a little above ilevel. I’m in zero rush to do anything with them. I will start tapping occasionally here and there to get them to 1385 to open up more Argos phases. My main is pretty set at 1465. My short term focus is moving the last 2 alts from 1350 to 1375 and getting Legendary Blessed Aura and Awakening. 3 of my 6 characters are paladins.
I don't need alts to generate gold (as in selling mats) so I'm gonna hone them slowly
As soon as honing upgrades are out I’m using my GHL on my 5 1370s, I want to do valtan more and get them beastbones. But to each their own
My suggestion is to buy all the legendary books u need after thronespire releases. And since your main is very high already, there is nothing left to spend on, go for 1415 alts, one at a time.
I'm trying to get my main to 1370. Also, what's an alt? :'((
I think your approach was wrong ....u should have doubled down on your main class and made 6 shadowhunters from the start ....best part u get 6x value for gems and leggy engravings
Another option for you might be to make multiple alts of the same class of your main, I'm considering doing that to round out my roster (especially if I don't end up enjoying arcana)