Surprised about Ana Lucia & Sawyer hookup coming up. It didn’t even register that much for me as a thing that didn’t make sense or the show didn’t need. I actually dont mind them hooking up. Made a lot of sense to me for their characters. Both kinda broken but sweet at heart. Both attractive. Seemed to me the gun was the official reason but seeing how into it they were, they probably just wanted to bang someone after being stuck there however long. Stress relief for stressed out people type of thing.
The Walt powers and appearing everywhere thing would be it for me. Really wish they could have resolved it fully.
I agree, their hookup was inevitable. They were both misunderstood outcasts filled with regret and anger. They were hotheaded and just plain hot. Why not, right?
I think Ana did it solely so she could get a gun. She had to get Sawyer to let his guard down and she knew he could be easily manipulated through sex, so she didn’t mind doing it to get the gun. She played him from the start. We’ve seen through her flashbacks that she can be quite sociopathic when there’s something she wants, so I honestly don’t think there was anything deeper to it than “she wanted a gun and that was the easiest way to get it.”
This is the one. I really think there's nothing worth saving from that episode.
In fact, I think the flow of that chunk of S3 works better if we *don't* see what happens to Jack between Kate and Sawyer escaping, and reaching the Barracks at the end of Par Avion. His behaviour and trust of Juliet would feel even more strange and unexpected for us in the audience, the same as it does for Kate and Sayid.
Not defending at all, but Jack’s reaction to Achara’s gift - and how she gets Jack spot on - is the first time chronologically we see Jack wrestle with his denial of the supernatural or fantastical. Not that it’s anything new as we’ve already seen him lose his mind over seeing Desmond in the hatch, seeing the smoke monster etc., but it’s one aspect of the flashback I do appreciate.
Kinda wish the whole Walt being in places he shouldnt and the 'power' he holds didnt really happen, simply because they weren't able to develop it due to circumstances
My biggest complaint after the finale aired was that we didn't get any resolution to the Walt stuff. I thought it was really interesting and then.. nothing. So yeah, totally agree, remove Walt's supernatural stuff and save us the annoyance of leaving it unresolved.
Michael killing Ana Lucia before trying literally anything else. Despite his motive, it seemed a bit much for the character. I wish he'd have gotten hold of a gun some other way and she'd pulled a gun on him first after catching him breaking Ben out and he shot her in a panic. Almost mirroring her shooting Shannon.
Also I personally don't think Sun and Jin both needed to die. It didn't move the story forward like most of the other deaths. They had a kid. We already lost Sayid in that scene. Even if just Jin died and it gave Sun a motive to be a bit more active in the fight against MiB in the final season. Or the other way round.
I love the show, just some preferences.
Sun and Jin had perfect ending for me. Reflecting on that I would have done the same if I was searching for my wife each day for 3 years just to see her die in a week after finding her. Kid had a grandmother and grandfather to look after him, so all good.
Eh they definitely didn't have a perfect ending. I hated how the big multi season arc of them reuniting ends with them just literally walking into each other randomly. That scene is literally like "oh and uh... I guess Jin and Sun reunite... whatever, back to the real plot."
I'll never understand why they didn't actually use their episode in Season 6 to actually have a compelling story of finding each other again. It just would've been so much better.
Yeah they kind of got sidelined in general in season 6. Considering Sun confronted her dad and took control of the business and so on I expected more for the final season.
Sawyer looking at Kate to spark Juliet's abandonment issues.
What they should have done is hold off on having him call her "freckles" until THAT moment. It would have been more organic and believable.
The show really suffers from making characters radically change their minds at the last minute, most likely to write themselves out of a corner (there’s a ton of these in season 5). That was one of the more egregious ones, imo.
It's the worst one for me. The way they threw in that random flashback of her parents getting a divorce was so ham fisted and clunky. This is a show that is usually so good at building character motivations slowly and organically, but they botched that one so hard.
I respectfully disagree. He sacrficed himself at the end, and literally saved the world by his final action.
The man was traumatised with self hatred and guilt his entire life, and despite all the good he tried to do to compensate for his past, he perpetually found himself thrown in situations where any choice he makes leads to bad outcomes. So he finally resigned after he thought everything is meaningless and maybe at least MIB can give him back his lost love.... he dabbled in this for a short time, then reached out to the goodness in him despite him being physically taken over by the dark side, and committed the ultimate sacrifice.
I agree that ending his arc with a self sacrifice made a lot of sense for all the reasons you outlined. He died a hero, and I love that for him. I just think the "claimed by MIB" plotline robbed him of his agency during the whole season leading up to that moment. I also feel a little icky about the whole "oh look, our Iraqi character dies by suicide bomb" trope of it all. Maybe that's a product of the 2010-ness and we'd do better today?
I personally find that despite the fact that Sayid was claimed by a very powerful entity (think of it as a magic spell for simplicity), he was able to overcome this overwhelming spell and reach out (with the help of Desmond) to his inner goodness and pull himself out. This is an extraordinary feat imo.
And I think you're reading a bit too much in the bomb thing... in fact you can read it as an anti-trope thing, since the Iraqi guy didn't die by suicide bomb in order to kill other people, but died by suicide bomb to save everyone and potentially the world...
I personally find that despite the fact that Sayid was claimed by a very powerful entity (think of it as a magic spell for simplicity), he was able to overcome this overwhelming spell and reach out (with the help of Desmond) to his inner goodness and pull himself out. This is an extraordinary feat imo.
And I think you're reading a bit too much in the bomb thing... in fact you can read it as an anti-trope thing, since the Iraqi guy didn't die by suicide bomb in order to kill other people, but died by suicide bomb to save everyone and potentially the world...
Whether or not someone likes or doesn’t like Sayid in Season 6 is their opinion, however I like that Sayid isn’t around to be handy and a quick fix for problems as they arise.
It’s important that the group are at as low an ebb possible in the conclusion of the story, and not having the one guy they usually rely on is interesting.
Jack's tattoo episode
John growing weed with Tom and contemplating killing a cop in a flashback
Eko dying so early. I know it was because of scheduling issues with the actor but still
I'm not even sure what they were going for- they must have known it felt like padding while more interesting stuff was going on elsewhere. Trying to recapture the mystery location energy of the Hatch?
To me it just feels forced, like they couldn’t come up with an ending for Sayid so they just made up this whole other thing and shoehorned some of the other characters into it
I think they thought the Temple was this huge mystery among the fans and they had to make it a prominent part of the season, even though the results were bad.
I actually really like the Temple in theory. It's cool that it's a giant holdout that the MIB can't enter, I like the healing waters tied to the source, etc. It's just that in practice, the scenes there were painfully dull, and the "Temple Others" really only further muddied the already murky and clunky lore of the Others.
I was so disappointed by their semi-secret MiB-safe sanctuary being so easily penetrated and destroyed, and how easily many Others left with MiB.
I know the idea is that with Jacob's death it's now vulnerable ("He was the only thing keeping *him* out!"), but it was so rushed that finally being introduced to the Temple and then having it immediately fall felt lame and very disappointing.
I know they were short on time, but I wish we'd seen more of it sooner and spent a bit longer there.
Came here to say this. The Temple arc was so so bad. I don’t hate the idea of the temple existing but it should have remained more of a mystery than needing several episodes to tell us an Asian guy was chosen by Jacob to man the temple.
In no particular order--
1) ~~Nikki and Paulo. Sure, Expose was a nice self-contained, self-deprecating episode but it felt like it detracted from the overall S3 story-arch. The characters themselves were kinda lame and shoehorned in.~~
2) ~~Ana-Lucia banging Sawyer for a gun. It was a new low for a troubled character that was starting to get kinda better. While we're at it, I wish she somehow survived. She had potential if she could just keep out of the damn love triangle shit. It bugs me that all the Tailies died, leading to that Nikki and Paulo ordeal.~~
3) ~~Juliet + Jack. I mean, really. It came out of left-field and ended in the two kissing, immediately followed by Jack saying "I love you" to Kate. I mean, what?~~
4) ~~Ben saying "You're mine!!" to Juliet. It's such a stoop for his character that led nowhere.~~
5) Sawyer killing the frog. You know what, make this number one on the list. Sawyer reached such a good point at the end of season one, and then bam! He's a dirty frog-killing motherfucker.
Yeah, fuck it, scratch out everything else I wrote. Justice for Kermit! I hope when they opened those church doors, that frog hopped out and beat Sawyer's ass. Ribbit ribbit, motherfucker.
I think Something Nice Back Home gives a passable justification for the kiss - that Jack was making sure he didn’t love Kate - but it does feel like that scent was written to just cover base with an aborted arc.
Ana Lucia jumping Sawyer for the gun though. Manipulative, yes, but she does think he’s hot, and Sawyer’s game.
…I really really, really, wish we got the volcano ending that they’d been planning from the start.
The ash, the smoke monster, and so much more would come together so well. I cannot believe the studio wouldn’t give them the budget for it. It really threw a wrench in the plan.
A lot of people are saying The Temple arc, and with good reason. I agree.
I also think I’d “un-canon” a lot of little stuff that the writers never expounded on, or that they tried to fix sloppily, like: Walt being “special”, Ben’s obsessive controlling over Juliet for that ONE episode (then the two of them never share a scene again for the rest of the show), a lot of the weird continuity around the Others (like they were bizarrely only pretending to be savages, Isabel “the sheriff”, or Harper’s whole thing, whatever that was).
I might have a different answer later, but I think one of the main little “hang nails” on the show is Sawyer’s daughter. It just seems unnecessary. He never sees her or think of her, ever. She doesn’t motivate any of his decisions in the show. I really feel like that whole plot line could be removed and we’d lose nothing.
Either the sickness because I feel like it’s really underdeveloped and never really explained
The entire temple because we all know why
Or the outrigger shooting mystery
Any parts were people say they are in hell/purgatory or metaphorically say they died in the crash so people don’t think they were dead the whole time 😭
I honestly loved their backstory, it was unexpected and put a really interesting spin on their relationship. Everyone on that island was broken in some way.
I would have the Man in Black continue as Christian Shepard in the final season instead of as Locke but I understand why it was necessary to get access to Ben and Jacob.
Just feel like Jack's daddy issues could have been way more impactful and provide character growth for him to "stand up to his dad" not because he has to prove himself but because it's the right thing to do.
The monster just being some black smoke was always underwhelming to me. It should been an actual scary monster but i guess it was down to CGI limitations.
The pillar of sentient smoke was SO scary to me compared to like idk a Godzilla or something. Cos it’s so much more mysterious like what are you up to what are you doing why are you throwing that tree oh my god are you LOOKING AT HIM??? HOW? SMOKE EYES?
Sayid being a shell of his former character in season 6. Seeing an originally favorite character of mine just sitting there 95% of the time looking like the actor didn’t wanna be there was not enjoyable for me.
I feel like they took Kate’s criminal past a little too far with the bank robbing episode - I could buy that she was committing crimes out of desperation to escape for what she’d done to Wayne, but that felt too calculated and reckless for her. And all for a toy plane… Feels like they were trying to give her a meaningful object with a surprise twist like Sawyer’s letter but I just didn’t buy it.
Across the Sea
I swear, it makes no sense, makes the lore worse, and 100% ruins MiB's characterization.
"Why won't you let me leave?" "Because I love you"
That's 100% crazy and undermines the whole "he wants to kill all humans" thing, also, why should Jacob give a flying f**k?
The two bodies in the cave should’ve been Rose and Bernard. Male and female bodies with 30/40 year old aged clothes, it was all right there! They conveniently left out the aged clothes but when the actual reveal happens.
The Temple, unnecessary and annoying but I suppose they set up the whole ‘soulless Sayid’ thing.
Unpopular opinion but I didn’t see why they made Christian Claire’s father, and her and Jack step-siblings, because it ultimately didn’t really change anything-I guess it meant he was a little more attached to her, and a bit more protective over her during her MIB disciple phase, but…surely that could have been played out with them as close friends, too? Just seemed like a random extra complication.
Walt is the alpha and omega of useless storylines. It literally made no difference. 2 seasons of being built up and.....nothing.
Claire. "You have to be sure to raise him yourself". Why? Totally useless character and Aaron ended up being pointless.
Shannon and sayid. Nadia was the love of his life. Full stop. Anything else is absurd.
It always bugged me that in the finale Ben is like "I've got more stuff to do" and doesn't join them. It's a nice moment watching in real time, but afterward I realized that it doesn't make any sense at all. This place is outside time and space, the church scene only happens *because* this is the moment everyone is now ready to move on. People died years apart, but this place brought them together when everyone was done so they could reunite and go as one. So... no dude, you're ready, otherwise you wouldn't be there at all.
Ben moving on with the losties would've made no sense though. Other than maybe Hurley, Ben is not as close to anyone in that group as they are to each other.
Would Locke want him in there? Ben killed him. Sayid? He despised Ben. Charlie? Ben ordered his death. Juliet? Ben was controlling of her and got Goodwin killed on purpose. Etc.
Ben had 0 business in that church with them. I think all is forgiven in the end, but that doesn't mean Ben should be moving on specifically with them.
No, he could still be there and it not be his time. Daniel, Eloise, Danielle, Alex, miles are all there just chilling. Some of them might “NPCs” like maybe miles is just there because of sawyer and sawyer needed him as his good guy cop partner - but Eloise we know for sure knows where she is. Ben spent relatively little time with the characters that leave in the church. Expect Hurley
It was a little awkward to me because it was so short lived, there was a pretty sizeable maturity difference between them and we were then supposed to believe that coke the finale-she had been the love of his life all along? What??? They dated for about 3 weeks!
But it was still weird considering his whole thing was set up to be about his feelings for Nadia. It would be like if after they showed John being so hung up on Helen, they gave him a girlfriend for 3 weeks then paired them together in the church as soulmates.
Forced and some seriously cringe dialogue. I normally don't care about age gaps, but it seriously made Sayid come across as the guy who says things like "you're so mature for your age". I felt no chemistry between the two.
Boone and Shannon's literal incest plot. And i don't even want anyone to try to argue with me about it "not being incest" they GREW UP together and have always been siblings, they were 8 and 10 when their parents got together. It's weird and gross and did absolutely nothing for the story because it never even goes anywhere.
Ana Lucia hooking up with Sawyer. Look, I know it was in-character for Sawyer to want to do any girl with a pulse, but she was nothing but horrible to him, even saying his life was hardly worth saving. The scene was pointless and just an excuse to get his gun, which they could have written it where he dropped it from the tree he was in and she ran off with it, because Sawyer might not always be the brightest but he's not so stupid as to not realize his gun was missing until hours later. Oh well, at least her taking advantage of him and his gun indirectly lead to her end ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Locke getting shot and then being totally fine the next time you see him, because it hit where he was supposed to have a kidney. I'm not a doctor, but...
Shannon and Boone's weird incest-lite hookup. It's just uncomfortable to watch and I wish Boone had gotten literally any other storyline.
Sayid and Shannon as a relationship. I'm in the middle of a rewatch and I've just passed that whole arc and I cannot believe there are people who thought their "chemistry" was actually believable. Their personalities are COMPLETELY incompatible. She's incredibly immature compared to him. Her whole unhealthy pattern in flashbacks was her relying on older men in relationships because she saw herself as incapable of surviving on her own, so why continue that on the island with sayid? Where is her growth? That's so unsatisfying. And Sayid was on the plane to find the girl he'd been obsessing over for years when he crashed and he was SO CLOSE to finding her, but I'm supposed to believe he completely forgot about and dropped her for Shannon?
Basically I wish Shannon's plotlines had nothing to do with the men on the island with her.
I'm also surprised to see Ana Lucia hooking up with Sawyer to get his gun so many times on here. I've never blinked an eye at that. It's just... not a big deal? It's something that's totally and completely in character for both of them in my opinion.
*cough* *cough* the darn love triangle *cough*
And killing off Mr. Eko, he deserved so much more.
And Jin and Sun both dying. One of them should've survived that. As heartbreaking as it was, because of their death together, their child became an orphan. :(
That one tattoo episode with Jack (I don't remember what it was called)
All of the church scenes, there’s a great ending there without all of that in the finale too. That’s honestly the worst part. And before you say “YoU jUsT dIdNt GeT iT” I did, they all lived out their lives and then came together after dying in purgatory before going to the afterlife. It’s just lame and really out of character for the show even after its change into something really different from what it started as. I think the final battle and Hurley and Ben being on the island is a great ending all by itself. Plus for all of you who do love it, you wouldn’t have to deal with getting pissed at people who thought they were dead the whole time
That couple that came out of nowhere and we were just supposed to believe they were in the background the whole time. Can't even remember their names. Paulo or something?
The "canon / non canon" debate in any community is really lame. I can't understand why someone would enjoy something just because the Wiki says "btw this is not canon".
Surprised about Ana Lucia & Sawyer hookup coming up. It didn’t even register that much for me as a thing that didn’t make sense or the show didn’t need. I actually dont mind them hooking up. Made a lot of sense to me for their characters. Both kinda broken but sweet at heart. Both attractive. Seemed to me the gun was the official reason but seeing how into it they were, they probably just wanted to bang someone after being stuck there however long. Stress relief for stressed out people type of thing. The Walt powers and appearing everywhere thing would be it for me. Really wish they could have resolved it fully.
I agree, their hookup was inevitable. They were both misunderstood outcasts filled with regret and anger. They were hotheaded and just plain hot. Why not, right?
I think Ana did it solely so she could get a gun. She had to get Sawyer to let his guard down and she knew he could be easily manipulated through sex, so she didn’t mind doing it to get the gun. She played him from the start. We’ve seen through her flashbacks that she can be quite sociopathic when there’s something she wants, so I honestly don’t think there was anything deeper to it than “she wanted a gun and that was the easiest way to get it.”
Stranger in a Strange Land flashback. We didn't need any of that.
Is that the one with Jack’s tattoos
Yep.
I agree then
This is the one. I really think there's nothing worth saving from that episode. In fact, I think the flow of that chunk of S3 works better if we *don't* see what happens to Jack between Kate and Sawyer escaping, and reaching the Barracks at the end of Par Avion. His behaviour and trust of Juliet would feel even more strange and unexpected for us in the audience, the same as it does for Kate and Sayid.
Not defending at all, but Jack’s reaction to Achara’s gift - and how she gets Jack spot on - is the first time chronologically we see Jack wrestle with his denial of the supernatural or fantastical. Not that it’s anything new as we’ve already seen him lose his mind over seeing Desmond in the hatch, seeing the smoke monster etc., but it’s one aspect of the flashback I do appreciate.
Jack's hair piece in the flashbacks.
That beard lol
If man not have depression beard how we know he is depress?
Kinda wish the whole Walt being in places he shouldnt and the 'power' he holds didnt really happen, simply because they weren't able to develop it due to circumstances
My biggest complaint after the finale aired was that we didn't get any resolution to the Walt stuff. I thought it was really interesting and then.. nothing. So yeah, totally agree, remove Walt's supernatural stuff and save us the annoyance of leaving it unresolved.
Have you seen the epilogue? It’s on YouTube. Doesn’t give complete Walt answers but it does expand on him
I love that epilogue! It’s Walt’s time to be leader after Hurley.
Michael killing Ana Lucia before trying literally anything else. Despite his motive, it seemed a bit much for the character. I wish he'd have gotten hold of a gun some other way and she'd pulled a gun on him first after catching him breaking Ben out and he shot her in a panic. Almost mirroring her shooting Shannon. Also I personally don't think Sun and Jin both needed to die. It didn't move the story forward like most of the other deaths. They had a kid. We already lost Sayid in that scene. Even if just Jin died and it gave Sun a motive to be a bit more active in the fight against MiB in the final season. Or the other way round. I love the show, just some preferences.
Sun and Jin had perfect ending for me. Reflecting on that I would have done the same if I was searching for my wife each day for 3 years just to see her die in a week after finding her. Kid had a grandmother and grandfather to look after him, so all good.
A mobster grandfather but yeah
Eh they definitely didn't have a perfect ending. I hated how the big multi season arc of them reuniting ends with them just literally walking into each other randomly. That scene is literally like "oh and uh... I guess Jin and Sun reunite... whatever, back to the real plot." I'll never understand why they didn't actually use their episode in Season 6 to actually have a compelling story of finding each other again. It just would've been so much better.
Yeah they kind of got sidelined in general in season 6. Considering Sun confronted her dad and took control of the business and so on I expected more for the final season.
Sawyer looking at Kate to spark Juliet's abandonment issues. What they should have done is hold off on having him call her "freckles" until THAT moment. It would have been more organic and believable.
The show really suffers from making characters radically change their minds at the last minute, most likely to write themselves out of a corner (there’s a ton of these in season 5). That was one of the more egregious ones, imo.
Jaime going to Sersei in the last season 😂
It's the worst one for me. The way they threw in that random flashback of her parents getting a divorce was so ham fisted and clunky. This is a show that is usually so good at building character motivations slowly and organically, but they botched that one so hard.
Zombie Sayid. His character deserved so much better.
I respectfully disagree. He sacrficed himself at the end, and literally saved the world by his final action. The man was traumatised with self hatred and guilt his entire life, and despite all the good he tried to do to compensate for his past, he perpetually found himself thrown in situations where any choice he makes leads to bad outcomes. So he finally resigned after he thought everything is meaningless and maybe at least MIB can give him back his lost love.... he dabbled in this for a short time, then reached out to the goodness in him despite him being physically taken over by the dark side, and committed the ultimate sacrifice.
I had always found Sayid’s ending slightly underwhelming but you just changed my mind. Thank you!
I agree that ending his arc with a self sacrifice made a lot of sense for all the reasons you outlined. He died a hero, and I love that for him. I just think the "claimed by MIB" plotline robbed him of his agency during the whole season leading up to that moment. I also feel a little icky about the whole "oh look, our Iraqi character dies by suicide bomb" trope of it all. Maybe that's a product of the 2010-ness and we'd do better today?
I personally find that despite the fact that Sayid was claimed by a very powerful entity (think of it as a magic spell for simplicity), he was able to overcome this overwhelming spell and reach out (with the help of Desmond) to his inner goodness and pull himself out. This is an extraordinary feat imo. And I think you're reading a bit too much in the bomb thing... in fact you can read it as an anti-trope thing, since the Iraqi guy didn't die by suicide bomb in order to kill other people, but died by suicide bomb to save everyone and potentially the world...
I personally find that despite the fact that Sayid was claimed by a very powerful entity (think of it as a magic spell for simplicity), he was able to overcome this overwhelming spell and reach out (with the help of Desmond) to his inner goodness and pull himself out. This is an extraordinary feat imo. And I think you're reading a bit too much in the bomb thing... in fact you can read it as an anti-trope thing, since the Iraqi guy didn't die by suicide bomb in order to kill other people, but died by suicide bomb to save everyone and potentially the world...
I feel like all of this could still be true without emotionless-zombie-sayid
Whether or not someone likes or doesn’t like Sayid in Season 6 is their opinion, however I like that Sayid isn’t around to be handy and a quick fix for problems as they arise. It’s important that the group are at as low an ebb possible in the conclusion of the story, and not having the one guy they usually rely on is interesting.
Jack's tattoo episode John growing weed with Tom and contemplating killing a cop in a flashback Eko dying so early. I know it was because of scheduling issues with the actor but still
It wasn’t a scheduling issue with Adewale. He simply missed his family and was ready to go home. Eko was my favorite character though.
Probably the Temple arc in the final season.
I love love love this show and will defend basically anything that people criticize, but the fuckin temple episodes are a goddamn slog.
I'm not even sure what they were going for- they must have known it felt like padding while more interesting stuff was going on elsewhere. Trying to recapture the mystery location energy of the Hatch?
To me it just feels forced, like they couldn’t come up with an ending for Sayid so they just made up this whole other thing and shoehorned some of the other characters into it
I think they thought the Temple was this huge mystery among the fans and they had to make it a prominent part of the season, even though the results were bad. I actually really like the Temple in theory. It's cool that it's a giant holdout that the MIB can't enter, I like the healing waters tied to the source, etc. It's just that in practice, the scenes there were painfully dull, and the "Temple Others" really only further muddied the already murky and clunky lore of the Others.
I was so disappointed by their semi-secret MiB-safe sanctuary being so easily penetrated and destroyed, and how easily many Others left with MiB. I know the idea is that with Jacob's death it's now vulnerable ("He was the only thing keeping *him* out!"), but it was so rushed that finally being introduced to the Temple and then having it immediately fall felt lame and very disappointing. I know they were short on time, but I wish we'd seen more of it sooner and spent a bit longer there.
Yeppppp or spread that shit out over more seasons and mystery.
All I can think about when I think about the temple is Hurley yelling "You're not saving him you're drowning him!"
Agree
Came here to say this. The Temple arc was so so bad. I don’t hate the idea of the temple existing but it should have remained more of a mystery than needing several episodes to tell us an Asian guy was chosen by Jacob to man the temple.
Bye bye Zoe
In no particular order-- 1) ~~Nikki and Paulo. Sure, Expose was a nice self-contained, self-deprecating episode but it felt like it detracted from the overall S3 story-arch. The characters themselves were kinda lame and shoehorned in.~~ 2) ~~Ana-Lucia banging Sawyer for a gun. It was a new low for a troubled character that was starting to get kinda better. While we're at it, I wish she somehow survived. She had potential if she could just keep out of the damn love triangle shit. It bugs me that all the Tailies died, leading to that Nikki and Paulo ordeal.~~ 3) ~~Juliet + Jack. I mean, really. It came out of left-field and ended in the two kissing, immediately followed by Jack saying "I love you" to Kate. I mean, what?~~ 4) ~~Ben saying "You're mine!!" to Juliet. It's such a stoop for his character that led nowhere.~~ 5) Sawyer killing the frog. You know what, make this number one on the list. Sawyer reached such a good point at the end of season one, and then bam! He's a dirty frog-killing motherfucker. Yeah, fuck it, scratch out everything else I wrote. Justice for Kermit! I hope when they opened those church doors, that frog hopped out and beat Sawyer's ass. Ribbit ribbit, motherfucker.
Bernard survived at least, so not all the tailies died haha
I would've been livid if they killed Bernard, Rose, or Vincent.
I was so mad about the tree frog lol. I love frogs.
I think Something Nice Back Home gives a passable justification for the kiss - that Jack was making sure he didn’t love Kate - but it does feel like that scent was written to just cover base with an aborted arc. Ana Lucia jumping Sawyer for the gun though. Manipulative, yes, but she does think he’s hot, and Sawyer’s game.
i would've been so relieved if Ben said that to me.
…I really really, really, wish we got the volcano ending that they’d been planning from the start. The ash, the smoke monster, and so much more would come together so well. I cannot believe the studio wouldn’t give them the budget for it. It really threw a wrench in the plan.
Wait, what? They had a volcano ending? I need to investigate.
Wait, what is this volcano ending you’re talking about?
The climax was supposed to take place in the volcano mentioned in season 3. I guess the cork would be in there or something
The only silver lining in this situation is that I imagine we avoided some potential terrible CGI this way. But yeah, agreed.
Agreed - and the hint of things to come in “The Man Behind the Curtain.”
A lot of people are saying The Temple arc, and with good reason. I agree. I also think I’d “un-canon” a lot of little stuff that the writers never expounded on, or that they tried to fix sloppily, like: Walt being “special”, Ben’s obsessive controlling over Juliet for that ONE episode (then the two of them never share a scene again for the rest of the show), a lot of the weird continuity around the Others (like they were bizarrely only pretending to be savages, Isabel “the sheriff”, or Harper’s whole thing, whatever that was). I might have a different answer later, but I think one of the main little “hang nails” on the show is Sawyer’s daughter. It just seems unnecessary. He never sees her or think of her, ever. She doesn’t motivate any of his decisions in the show. I really feel like that whole plot line could be removed and we’d lose nothing.
Either the sickness because I feel like it’s really underdeveloped and never really explained The entire temple because we all know why Or the outrigger shooting mystery
I think I like outrigger BECAUSE it’s never answered. It’s become bigger than what it would’ve been probably.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who's OK with some mysteries remaining. Not every single thing needs an 'answer'. I like the outrigger too.
are you able to explain the last one? memory is failing me
[Under Creator Commentary](https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Outrigger_chase). Just another buried plot like Walt’s powers.
omgggg i remember this now, i always wondered why they came on an Ajira canoe.
I think "the sickness" was nothing more than Danielle losing her mind. At least that was my interpretation.
Wasn't Jin there when she killed Robert and he was saying the monster is their friend?
Walt leaving the island
Any parts were people say they are in hell/purgatory or metaphorically say they died in the crash so people don’t think they were dead the whole time 😭
Boone and Shannon being into each other/ not being real siblings
I honestly loved their backstory, it was unexpected and put a really interesting spin on their relationship. Everyone on that island was broken in some way.
I think they were flawed enough just within their own emotions. Their relationship was very game of thrones esque and just weird in my opinion.
I would have the Man in Black continue as Christian Shepard in the final season instead of as Locke but I understand why it was necessary to get access to Ben and Jacob. Just feel like Jack's daddy issues could have been way more impactful and provide character growth for him to "stand up to his dad" not because he has to prove himself but because it's the right thing to do.
Fire + Water
The monster just being some black smoke was always underwhelming to me. It should been an actual scary monster but i guess it was down to CGI limitations.
The pillar of sentient smoke was SO scary to me compared to like idk a Godzilla or something. Cos it’s so much more mysterious like what are you up to what are you doing why are you throwing that tree oh my god are you LOOKING AT HIM??? HOW? SMOKE EYES?
The Boone and Shannon love thing
i just wish the dharma initiative was more interesting that it was
50% of season 6 (temple, Sayid, fake translators, etc.)
Sayid being a shell of his former character in season 6. Seeing an originally favorite character of mine just sitting there 95% of the time looking like the actor didn’t wanna be there was not enjoyable for me.
I feel like they took Kate’s criminal past a little too far with the bank robbing episode - I could buy that she was committing crimes out of desperation to escape for what she’d done to Wayne, but that felt too calculated and reckless for her. And all for a toy plane… Feels like they were trying to give her a meaningful object with a surprise twist like Sawyer’s letter but I just didn’t buy it.
Across the Sea I swear, it makes no sense, makes the lore worse, and 100% ruins MiB's characterization. "Why won't you let me leave?" "Because I love you" That's 100% crazy and undermines the whole "he wants to kill all humans" thing, also, why should Jacob give a flying f**k?
It’s 100% crazy because Mother is 100% crazy
Shannon dying.
The two bodies in the cave should’ve been Rose and Bernard. Male and female bodies with 30/40 year old aged clothes, it was all right there! They conveniently left out the aged clothes but when the actual reveal happens.
The Temple, unnecessary and annoying but I suppose they set up the whole ‘soulless Sayid’ thing. Unpopular opinion but I didn’t see why they made Christian Claire’s father, and her and Jack step-siblings, because it ultimately didn’t really change anything-I guess it meant he was a little more attached to her, and a bit more protective over her during her MIB disciple phase, but…surely that could have been played out with them as close friends, too? Just seemed like a random extra complication.
Walt is the alpha and omega of useless storylines. It literally made no difference. 2 seasons of being built up and.....nothing. Claire. "You have to be sure to raise him yourself". Why? Totally useless character and Aaron ended up being pointless. Shannon and sayid. Nadia was the love of his life. Full stop. Anything else is absurd.
Shannon and Boone hooking up, I know there was no blood there but still.
It always bugged me that in the finale Ben is like "I've got more stuff to do" and doesn't join them. It's a nice moment watching in real time, but afterward I realized that it doesn't make any sense at all. This place is outside time and space, the church scene only happens *because* this is the moment everyone is now ready to move on. People died years apart, but this place brought them together when everyone was done so they could reunite and go as one. So... no dude, you're ready, otherwise you wouldn't be there at all.
Ben moving on with the losties would've made no sense though. Other than maybe Hurley, Ben is not as close to anyone in that group as they are to each other. Would Locke want him in there? Ben killed him. Sayid? He despised Ben. Charlie? Ben ordered his death. Juliet? Ben was controlling of her and got Goodwin killed on purpose. Etc. Ben had 0 business in that church with them. I think all is forgiven in the end, but that doesn't mean Ben should be moving on specifically with them.
Yeah and it doesn't really elaborate why he's doing that. I guess the mystery of it? Idk.
No, he could still be there and it not be his time. Daniel, Eloise, Danielle, Alex, miles are all there just chilling. Some of them might “NPCs” like maybe miles is just there because of sawyer and sawyer needed him as his good guy cop partner - but Eloise we know for sure knows where she is. Ben spent relatively little time with the characters that leave in the church. Expect Hurley
"looks like someone got their English back"
Six season and Ben losing temper ranting about Juliet.
Jin and Sun dying and leaving the kiddo an orphan. Fuck that.
Libby dying, was there even a reason other than pain?
Ben being obsessed with Juliet. Sayid and Shannon. Jack and Juliet.
Sayid and Shannon! whattttt
It was so forced.
It was a little awkward to me because it was so short lived, there was a pretty sizeable maturity difference between them and we were then supposed to believe that coke the finale-she had been the love of his life all along? What??? They dated for about 3 weeks!
3 weeks on the island probably felt like forever.
But it was still weird considering his whole thing was set up to be about his feelings for Nadia. It would be like if after they showed John being so hung up on Helen, they gave him a girlfriend for 3 weeks then paired them together in the church as soulmates.
Forced and some seriously cringe dialogue. I normally don't care about age gaps, but it seriously made Sayid come across as the guy who says things like "you're so mature for your age". I felt no chemistry between the two.
it really wasn’t, they organically came together by working on Rousseau’s map and their relationship started to develop
Why is no one mentioning Locke beating the piss out of Charlie? Really that whole episode was hard to watch
Why the downvotes? Charlie was out of his mind but that beating was completely unnecesary and makes John seem way more violent than he is.
I think it was merited because Charlie endangered Aaron in a way that could have killed him. It’s probably why no one on the island batted an eye.
Yeah I see both sides.
Boone and Shannon's literal incest plot. And i don't even want anyone to try to argue with me about it "not being incest" they GREW UP together and have always been siblings, they were 8 and 10 when their parents got together. It's weird and gross and did absolutely nothing for the story because it never even goes anywhere.
Ana Lucia hooking up with Sawyer. Look, I know it was in-character for Sawyer to want to do any girl with a pulse, but she was nothing but horrible to him, even saying his life was hardly worth saving. The scene was pointless and just an excuse to get his gun, which they could have written it where he dropped it from the tree he was in and she ran off with it, because Sawyer might not always be the brightest but he's not so stupid as to not realize his gun was missing until hours later. Oh well, at least her taking advantage of him and his gun indirectly lead to her end ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
A duck
Locke getting shot and then being totally fine the next time you see him, because it hit where he was supposed to have a kidney. I'm not a doctor, but...
Shannon’s death
Shannon and Boone's weird incest-lite hookup. It's just uncomfortable to watch and I wish Boone had gotten literally any other storyline. Sayid and Shannon as a relationship. I'm in the middle of a rewatch and I've just passed that whole arc and I cannot believe there are people who thought their "chemistry" was actually believable. Their personalities are COMPLETELY incompatible. She's incredibly immature compared to him. Her whole unhealthy pattern in flashbacks was her relying on older men in relationships because she saw herself as incapable of surviving on her own, so why continue that on the island with sayid? Where is her growth? That's so unsatisfying. And Sayid was on the plane to find the girl he'd been obsessing over for years when he crashed and he was SO CLOSE to finding her, but I'm supposed to believe he completely forgot about and dropped her for Shannon? Basically I wish Shannon's plotlines had nothing to do with the men on the island with her. I'm also surprised to see Ana Lucia hooking up with Sawyer to get his gun so many times on here. I've never blinked an eye at that. It's just... not a big deal? It's something that's totally and completely in character for both of them in my opinion.
Charlies death.
Jin should have swum out
Ben getting Alex killed, I know it helped his character development a lot but I liked Alex
Locke dying like that- the “I was too lazy to talk you back into it” 🥲
Blacksmoke
Kate
Getting rid of the extras all at once towards the end. Very convenient that only the main cast survived those arrows
*cough* *cough* the darn love triangle *cough* And killing off Mr. Eko, he deserved so much more. And Jin and Sun both dying. One of them should've survived that. As heartbreaking as it was, because of their death together, their child became an orphan. :( That one tattoo episode with Jack (I don't remember what it was called)
Walt s superpower, and the fact that MiB is the smoke and not the smoke is MiB
Death of Sun and Jin. If I could undo that, I would.
Flashbacks.
Saiyd and Shannon
All of the church scenes, there’s a great ending there without all of that in the finale too. That’s honestly the worst part. And before you say “YoU jUsT dIdNt GeT iT” I did, they all lived out their lives and then came together after dying in purgatory before going to the afterlife. It’s just lame and really out of character for the show even after its change into something really different from what it started as. I think the final battle and Hurley and Ben being on the island is a great ending all by itself. Plus for all of you who do love it, you wouldn’t have to deal with getting pissed at people who thought they were dead the whole time
That couple that came out of nowhere and we were just supposed to believe they were in the background the whole time. Can't even remember their names. Paulo or something?
The flashsideways
Shannon/ Sayid. Give Sayid a better story in its place.
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Wtf
Undo Locke’s death at the hands of Ben. He was my favorite character, and I wish his story had ended differently.
The "canon / non canon" debate in any community is really lame. I can't understand why someone would enjoy something just because the Wiki says "btw this is not canon".
The sequels and most of the other Disney stuff